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w2003SE vs w5.0

I see that we still have a lot problems with w5 on our beloved blue angels.
Now, my question is: what is a major benefit to go from fast and reliable SE 2003 to W 5.0?
it's sluggish, unstable.
so, why we all upgrading-downgrading our devices up and down, is this a justified action to get a better OS or our desire to try something new?

Something new. :wink:

WM5 is a lot better than WM2003 but the problem is that there is no specefic official version of wm5 for blueangel, so developers reverse engineer other versions of WM5 and the leaked one from MS , to create stable OS. Latest WM5 versions are quite stable. None forces you to try WM5 if you don't like it downgrade and use WM2003

it's not about forcing me or someone to use w5.0, but what's better in this OS, what do you mean by saying better ? speed, stability extra functionality ?

I simply like it better
Its like WinMe vs WinXP

Well said TB. Kinda like, why are people instrested in Windows Vista? Windows XP work dunit? Acuttaly, don't answer that one.

Guys, you are talking very subjectivly:
like-don't like.
win me and win xp is quite dif. OS. Upgrading to XP gives us very stable reliable system with much more functionalities.
I simply like to see what extra features are in wm5, which are not available in SE.
so far we have OS with not 100% working BT, MMS, terrible ActiveSync, poor phone, etc.
I am very grateful to guys workimg on these ROMs, and thank them of course, but my question: is wm5 better than SE at all and what this better stuff is?

COM,
flashing OS takes about 15 mins. So, flash WM5, play with it. U can always go back to WM23.
And Wm5 to Wm2 is not like ME to XP. More like Win2K vs Win2K+service packs.

Well for me its a Me vs XP (My SE kept crashing and crashing, doublesending the same SMS, not sending MMSes at all, freezing when cancelling calls). WM5 drops Bluetooth connections, does strange things with the hw keyboard and works quite slow (I overclocked the CPU to 531MHz, it works... usable). But at least I can use my PHONE as a PHONE.

I agree with TB
I have many problems with 2003SE, 3-4 daily resets, because it hangs, when the battery and backup battery drains out you loose everything(such as in hard reset). I have no such problems with WM5 it is much stable and it is slower than 2003 but in the recent WM5 roms (Ivan's and Tuatara) the speed is improved and stability is much better than 2003SE

I like WM5 because it looks better, and the soft keys are very usefull. and you get to show off the nice and hard work of Mamaich, Tuatara and all others and say that xda-dev kicks ass!!!!

well, from what you are saying: wm5 is more stable !
Thanks, this is an advantage no doubt. let's hope we will soon get the final version from our gurus here.
By the way, should wm5 be a hardware independent OS, like windows XP and portable from one PDA to another?

Better not - due to XP's portability it eats up so much resources :| If you wanna try it yourself - Linux for example compiles (is compiled ) in order to match the HW configuration of the computer, while WindowsXP 'HasItAll, but mostly unusefull for your current hardware' :|

A new OS, which prevents your data from loss even at significant battery discharge, comfortable control without a stylus, improved Office Mobile. Noticeable cosmetic advantages.
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Will there every be a BA Official WM5 release

no, microsoft made one and distrobuted it to the telecos but it is there decision whether to release it. as far as i can tell they will never do this as it doesn't make buisiness sense, why give a free wm5 update away when if you keep it too yourself people are gonna buy a new phone to get it?

but.. we are keeping our phones anyway hehehehe :twisted:
(that's why we are on this phorum. Anyway..)

Hi,
I am using O2 XDA IIs for more than 8 months. I eagerly waited for the O2 update, as HP had offered to its ipaqs.But it was very disappointing that , instead of giving software updates; o2 started to show new models with Windows Mobile 5.0. I tried even from Microsoft site for upgrades, but that was a futile attempt.Then I finally decided to upgrade from XDA-developres.
You have to understand that major advantafe of WM5 over the Wm2003se is that data is not volatile; so there is no need to backup now and then.Secondly fast and secure.The major problem is that it needs faster processor. I hope it is helpful.

Kalonian said:
Secondly fast and secure.The major problem is that it needs faster processor
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WM5 is slower than WM2003SE. WM5 best offering is persistent storage.
It is because it has NAND based rom. So, it doesnt offer XIP

Yes it is a lil slower than 2003 but it hte rom is properly build (Ivan and Tuatara roms) you will find no diference for speed, bu you will find a lot more stability. The CPU is not so important, we see devices with 200 MHz CPU to run WM5 just fine (Prophet and Wizard), of course they have a lil problems with multitasking but thay have only 200 MHz CPU, so you have to expect some lag. Blueangel have more than enough resources to run and operate WM5, we just need a properly tweaked rom for this device.

Suggestion on ROM?

I unlocked and flashed to WM 6.1 ROM on my Treo 750. I'm finding that I have next to nothing on device memory lately and only have 2 programs running on the device itself which aren't terribly large, everything else is on the SD. Memory is down really, really low which causes the device to run slow and even lock up. Can someone suggest either another ROM to try which will give me a little more free device memory or any other methods to free up more memory?

Is it normal and same to yours the Rhodium ROM consume so big size of memory?

What confused me is as following:
In the setting\system\device information\hardware tab(tranlated from chinese), it show up the RAM size is 256MB and the Flash ROM size is 512MB, and the storage memory is 279.09MB.
in the setting\system\memory\main memory tab, it show up there are 279.09MB storage memory(ROM) totally and 183.60 MB program memory(RAM) totally.
Why this will happened? The ROM of the Rhodium consume 232.91MB Flash ROM(512-279.09=232.91)? Is it so big? And how about the RAM?
Is there any chance for me to upgrade the ROM and RAM to bigger size in some kind of phone repair shop?

net_walker said:
Is there any chance for me to upgrade the ROM and RAM to bigger size in some kind of phone repair shop?
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as long as the phone does not run out of memory everything is fine. so why you want to have more ram?

mastermarv said:
as long as the phone does not run out of memory everything is fine. so why you want to have more ram?
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I like to put everything into the phone bringing with me everywhere, including all kind of software and all kind of materials, photo,music, e-book, home video etc.
if the ROM and RAM are not big enough, I will always be worried about them when install software or copy materials. Even it still does not run out off memory, but I do worry about it all the time.
although it can be expanded by TF card, however, many software can't run on TF card and the read/write speed of the TF card is slower than the main memory.
If the main memory is big enough, I can install all of the software into main memory and copy all of the materials into TF card. At that condition, I can easily change TF card to get anymore new contents.
My last device is O2 flame, I do feel comfortable with its big Flash ROM but its RAM still too small and also many other shortcoming.
I ever think of N97 for the built in 32G memory, however, I am used to WM system.
I ever think of samsung i908 for the built in 8G memory, however there is several week points in its specification.
I do not understand why HTC build in so small memory in such a highend model while its competitor,such as Apple,Nokia,Sumsung, are goint toward another way.

get a 8GB memory card, should be enough, and install everything in your memory card. That's what I do, and everything is fine.
Be sure, tho, to install important programs, like drivers, softwares like skins, etc to your device, since the memory card initializes late on boot.
All in all, you should not have any problems even tough the rom is huge. mine is still fast and fancy since day 1, and I have my 8GB nearly full of s***.

creiz said:
get a 8GB memory card, should be enough, and install everything in your memory card. That's what I do, and everything is fine.
Be sure, tho, to install important programs, like drivers, softwares like skins, etc to your device, since the memory card initializes late on boot.
All in all, you should not have any problems even tough the rom is huge. mine is still fast and fancy since day 1, and I have my 8GB nearly full of s***.
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I got a 8GB TF card too and it's now in my device.
However, I have to install some software into the card. Then when I change another card for multi-media contents, those software become unuseable. This is not comfortable for using experience.
What I can't understand is why not built in more memory for user's convenience since it's known the ROM and OS occupied so much memory.

net_walker said:
I got a 8GB TF card too and it's now in my device.
However, I have to install some software into the card. Then when I change another card for multi-media contents, those software become unuseable. This is not comfortable for using experience.
What I can't understand is why not built in more memory for user's convenience since it's known the ROM and OS occupied so much memory.
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perhaps you could have the programs installed into the same directory on different SD cards so when swapping them for Media purposes you do not break the program.
just a thought, never tried it. i can fit everything i want on a 16GB card..

My kaiser lag often. Win 6.1. Please help

My kaiser phone has standart rom, win 6,1. It is laging all the time from the day I bought it. My memory card is almost empty. I read a lot in this forum, but nowhere found the solving to my problem.
I am thinking, maybe it lags because of my connection, sometimes it is 3G, sometimes EDGE. If any one knows where the problem is and how to solve it, THANK YOU.

Is the actual phone lagging, or just your connection speed?
Trying a different ROM is a good idea, you will find one that is certainly faster and more capabile than your stock ROM.

everything is lagging. I have to click some times, or even wait for about 5-10 seconds or more, until phone reacts.

Reflash your current ROM or grab a new one (how to's are in the ROM dev section), something must have happened in the registry or something that is bogging it down.

Tried a hard reset? Solves all manner of problems.

thank you guys, I will try hard reset and maybe then will flash my rom

diablom said:
thank you guys, I will try hard reset and maybe then will flash my rom
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Maybe you sold your Kaiser. I have the same problem: orig. wm6.0, orig wm6.1, Tir 18 and others, tried different radio and hardspl. But the lag is often there, not ever but often. I can't say why, I think it's related to the gsm signal: try to work putting the phone functions off (airplane mode) and play bubble breaker....
wayting for Android porting.
Bye
Matteo

I was having the same problem while i was using Windows Mobile 6.1 . Then i upgraded my ROM to 6.5 and this problem has almost disappeared. I have an observation that this thing happens while i am roaming at a low or no signal point. Finally Windows Mobile 6.5 proved to be the remedy for me.

Use task manager and kill all the programs that are running. Many times when my Tilt (WM 6.1) is lagging there are 8 to 10 programs active. In IE, clear the history and hit the delete files button, this usually clears a lot of memory. Make sure that you have plenty of free "Program" memory, install non essential programs to the microSD card to free up some space. My Tilt usually runs quick just by making sure to check these things every now and then and it is the stock rom.
I also use Raiisak's KaiserTweak, increased my cache file size for faster ops plus many other tidbits, HTC Home Customizer by emunutz, FdcSoft TaskManager a really good one with regedit, HTC Classaction 3d drivers, EXT mod for File explorer, etc. Just another route you can go if you don't feel like flashing.

Boot Loader for loading different ROMS - Even Possible?

The number of OS-es for our "little friend" (i'm talking about a ppc ) keeps growing, many versions of windows mobile including the soon to be released 7, android and symbian.
I was wondering if it's possible to have just a boot loader with basic drivers that will allow users to have different roms in storage card and just continue booting the rom from there.
I'm a web application developer working with actionscript 3 and some java for serverside so I don't know a lot about mobile hardware architecture and but I was wondering if anyone with a lot more knowledge into the field can enlighten me and anyone else interested about that possibility.
Thanks in advance for any bit of information.
Romeo.

There is a bootloader that lets you pick between wm and android but its not a bootloader in the traditional sense, just an application that runs when wm boots that gives you the option of staying in wm or running haret to boot into android.
AFAIK, theres no way to switch ROMs or versions of WM without a reflash.
Wouldnt be a bad idea though, as you could have a stable 6.1 ROM on one hand as a backup and could still play around with a less stable 6.5.5 rom with the latest packages, manila etc.

not to mention, that booting a ROM from MMC will result in crap performance (just look at android, i mean max respect for all the hard work/coding done, it's a structural limitation issue) because of the slower transfer speed.
imho the whole phone os idea should be handled more like a desktop pc. you know, bios, OS install, partitions, etc. ofc adapted for a mobile phone. instead of these "closed" proprietary bootloaders.
this whole rom thingy doesnt really seem logical to me. the concept itself of WM "build" is stupid and pretty uncomfortable. an updatable os would make all things easier. for us geeks atleast.
hopefully it will happen

Thanks guys for supporting the idea If it's not possible at this stage maybe letting the right people know that we want that will make a change.
@ASK768 Yeah i knew about the "boot loader" for android ... actually i'm not even sure if android has full control over the phone while running with haret or some part of windows mobile is underneath. Is android running on top of some windows drivers or something?
I was not really able to run android due to some "formatting for video performance" of my SD Card (haven't really noticed any change and did not benchmark also i hope i'll find the time one day) ... well it least that's what i think the problem is.
@crashDebug i think the most important parts of the rom are loaded into memory so it might just increase boot time. I'm running most of my application from Storage Card and i did not really see any difference in performance. I might be wrong about it's just what i noticed from experimenting without any real benchmark.
I completely agree with phones being as desktop PC's and i really hope we'll be there soon but i still hope something can be done with the blackstone

i wouldnt count on it and with the rumors about winmo7 well things aint goin in the right direction ifear