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I apologize in advance if my questions are trivial and I am just dense.
I am pretty sure I've read through all the threads for "n00bs" but I still can't get a grasp of what exactly hardSPL does or is. I ran the search function and found that I don't NEED it per say and has claimed that it actually is "safer" to use USPL.
I own a Tmobile Wing (IPL > 4.xxx)
1. What exactly is the difference between USPL and hardSPL?
2. What are the limitations of either one.. will flashing a cooked rom without hardSPL cause problems?
3. I currently have flashed the newest Open Touch 4.0 and haven't had any problems at all (USPL), but I noticed in the thread for Touch-IT, it says that hardSPL is required. What does that mean exactly? If I flashed it w/o hardSPL.. will my wing crash/brick?
4. At some point, I'd like to sell the phone, so I don't want to do anything that is irreversible. My understanding was USPL is reversible, hardSPL is not?
5. I was on the verge of flashing the hardSPL but chickened out.
I installed the three cab files (canonyang.cab aserpolicy.cab disablesecurity.cab) but decided I wasn't ready to flash.
Will that cause any problems (installing the .cabs but not flashing)?
any help/input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the n00b questions. Thanks
Essentially what you are doing is changing the Bootloader so you can install a different ROM regardless if it's signed.
USPL and HardSPL is a matter of having it done temporarely or permenantly.
USPL (temporary), is the safe route. This will allow you to Install one USPL capable ROMs per USPL. So if you're not a big flasher, and thinking about selling your phone in the near future, then you might want to stick to this method.
HardSPL (permenant), is the only TRUE way of bricking your phone. You will flash the bootloader for good so that you can constantly flash new ROMs without having to worry about flashing your bootloader of making sure it's a signed ROM. For heavy flashers, like myself, this is the ideal route.
HardSPL is reversible, there are some threads on how to do that. If I remember correctly, you have to flash back to a Stock T-Mo ROM.
Some ROMs require HardSPL because sometimes the cooks use different methods to flash ROMs onto devices other than ActiveSync (which is needed for flashing via USPL).
For example, ttran001's Open Touch V4.0 Micro ROM flashes onto your device using your SDCard, the phone is never connected to you PC so no opertunity to USPL. If it was not HardSPL'd, the ROM would be rejected. If it was, the flash would continue flawlessly.
I hope this answers your questions, and please, if I got anything wrong, correct me.
Regards,
three4seven said:
5. I was on the verge of flashing the hardSPL but chickened out.
I installed the three cab files (canonyang.cab aserpolicy.cab disablesecurity.cab) but decided I wasn't ready to flash.
Will that cause any problems (installing the .cabs but not flashing)?
any help/input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the n00b questions. Thanks
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Oh and from what I understand, installing those cabs wont hurt your device if you dont HardSPL. I believe you can uninstall them from the "remove program" which can be found under Settings/System/Remove Programs.
Everyone's allowed a Noob question every now and then I only know all this info because I read, so im sure if you read u'll be just fine.
nKiwan, thanks for quick and throrough reply
I get a little lost with this:
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This will allow you to Install one USPL capable ROMs per USPL.
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what does that mean exactly?
perhaps I should start by asking the USPL acronym stands for - I've googled it and I couldn't find the right acronym.
From my understanding.. the only real difference (besides one uspl rom per uspl vs infinite - i'm still a little hazy on that) is that hardSPL allows for flashing outside of activesync?
thanks again... I swear I tried my best using the search function and reading
Well, correct me if i'm wrong, if you do not HardSPL, then you must USPL your device everytime you wish to flash your device. This will temporarely change your bootloader so it will allow you to flash a non signed ROM, a.k.a. an "outside" ROM. USPL capable ROMs, are ROMs that you can flash using USPL, therefore, ActiveSync.
Well there are two differences I guess... HardSPL, basically, allows for flashing outside of ActiveSync; and will allow you to flash any ROM as many times as you would like, once HardSPL'd.
As far as the acronym goes, I have NO clue lol. Never bothered to find out, I guess it would be helpful to know .
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Well, correct me if i'm wrong, if you do not HardSPL, then you must USPL your device everytime you wish to flash your device.
hardSPL.... will allow you to flash any ROM as many times as you would like, once HardSPL'd.
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Technically then.. I could also flash any rom as many times as I want using USPL as long as I run USPL.exe? I read the flashing guide several times. The only difference I found was that you run USPL.exe and it goes through a loader instead of just running the RUU flaser. Is that right?
i apologize once again if I am being incredibly dense.
thanks again for putting up with my n00bness
there ya go! you got it. As you become more experienced you'll start to understand the need of HardSPL.
I was once a noob myself, so i understand where u coming from . Just glad I can help.
Regards,
nkiwan - thank you so much for answering my barrage of n00b questions.
You have been a great help. I really appreciate it.
Wow I think this is the coolest thread I have read ...it is just awesome what the WWW has done for all of us and thanks for the info
Glad I can help
I can understnad the use of USPL but I would recommend the use of hard SPL if you are planning to flash multiple roms. Either way I think it is just a matter of whether or not you actually want to run the USPL everytime you want to flash a rom... Don't quote me on that.
Just to doublecheck myself....
If I use USPL method and hard reset my phone - will I have the stock rom or the flashed one?
if I understand correctly USPL will bring back the stock one after hard reset and HSPL the new one.
very sorry to ask this now..from what i get is there are 3 ways of turning ur phone from phone to super phone:
1. install .cabs
2.soft flashing
3.hard flashing???
am i rite??
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As far as the acronym goes, I have NO clue lol. Never bothered to find out, I guess it would be helpful to know .
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I found this thread that you might find useful for the acronyms:xdasite.com/showthread.php?t=1104
Same was with me.....
three4seven said:
I apologize in advance if my questions are trivial and I am just dense.
I am pretty sure I've read through all the threads for "n00bs" but I still can't get a grasp of what exactly hardSPL does or is. I ran the search function and found that I don't NEED it per say and has claimed that it actually is "safer" to use USPL.
I own a Tmobile Wing (IPL > 4.xxx)
1. What exactly is the difference between USPL and hardSPL?
2. What are the limitations of either one.. will flashing a cooked rom without hardSPL cause problems?
3. I currently have flashed the newest Open Touch 4.0 and haven't had any problems at all (USPL), but I noticed in the thread for Touch-IT, it says that hardSPL is required. What does that mean exactly? If I flashed it w/o hardSPL.. will my wing crash/brick?
4. At some point, I'd like to sell the phone, so I don't want to do anything that is irreversible. My understanding was USPL is reversible, hardSPL is not?
5. I was on the verge of flashing the hardSPL but chickened out.
I installed the three cab files (canonyang.cab aserpolicy.cab disablesecurity.cab) but decided I wasn't ready to flash.
Will that cause any problems (installing the .cabs but not flashing)?
any help/input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the n00b questions. Thanks
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Hi Brother,
Same problem with me i have also search every where but failed... no answer about Hard spl.Every body say do hard spl and search in fourm and so on. There was no proper guide what it is and how to do. i was really puzzel. Now i have come to know that axect what it is Hard Spl.
Hard Spl mean CID unlock. If you unlock CId of the phone its mean you have done Hard SPl. Without CID unlock you can not write ROM.
Thanks
Br Raja
I have a T-Mobile Wing. I hardSPL'd it, installed a custom ROM, then I used the RUU to flash the original ROM back to it. It doesn't show the CanonYang startup screen, but the SPL version is still 4.70.Yang. Is it still HardSPL'd?
Stargazer418 said:
I have a T-Mobile Wing. I hardSPL'd it, installed a custom ROM, then I used the RUU to flash the original ROM back to it. It doesn't show the CanonYang startup screen, but the SPL version is still 4.70.Yang. Is it still HardSPL'd?
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You can always check in the bootloader screen (the RGB screen).
Even if you have a 4.70.Yang you still need the IPL to be higher than 4 to flash custom ROMs. That is what is important.
If you ever see any of these number's change, Run the HardSPL folder again.
Don't know if others are having this problem with the screen fading black, but have seen it a couple of times on my Diamond, latest last night, I took the camera and filmed it.
Am troubled if something is wrong with my Diamond, or this could be the case of incompatible HardSPL
if someone's diamond came with 1.93 SPL originally, maybe this HardSPL based on 1.93 will work better than the olders. I have a report that someone has black screen with older SPL's.
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This could be the case, was just wondering if others has had this issue, and if so how did you resolve it?
Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y5CW05sSVc
Did you try flashing your SPL and then Hard Resetting ?
That doesn't look right to me. I will upgrade to latest rom, if that doesn't help, I will send it back for repair.
Scotchy49 said:
Did you try flashing your SPL and then Hard Resetting ?
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Am trying an other HardSPL now, dont know what SPL my phone came with stock.
mmp7 said:
That doesn't look right to me. I will upgrade to latest rom, if that doesn't help, I will send it back for repair.
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Am currently running Duttys 2.2 though the problem also on latest stock rom, but only noticed it when going from HardSPL and back to stock SPL just dont know what SPL the phone came with, so maybe I have only treid the wrong ones.
Hmmm. I think that when you install a stock rom it will also reinstall stock SPL.
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Hmmm. I think that when you install a stock rom it will also reinstall stock SPL.
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No that is not the case I an afraid, you have to install the SPL manually as a seperate installation from the ROM.
i forget it , very stupid.
but i use touch-it rom for two days it's not hang or anything.
n13oss said:
i forget it , very stupid.
but i use touch-it rom for two days it's not hang or anything.
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That's weird
The hard-SPL let you flash custom roms on your device.
Maybe the hard-SPL is included in the Touch-it, not sure about that
As long you don't have problems, there's no reason to worry about
i didn't used it either, and didn't start with the touch rom, but another one.
And don't have any problems yet, can flash every rom
greatz
Patrick
there is no need to make a hard spl every time you flash a rom. The first hard spl you do will stay "forever" and allows you to flash as many custom roms as you want.
Dont forget to read the forums. There are a lot of helpful FAQs and threads around. Just do a search.
Woo Hoo !
i will buy pizza for all you guys !
last flash i forgot the hard spl, too. But instead of flashing the new rom my phone stays at the old one...
very strange ^^ reflash with hardspl helps
Kid_DC said:
last flash i forgot the hard spl, too. But instead of flashing the new rom my phone stays at the old one...
very strange ^^ reflash with hardspl helps
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Yeah like someone said before
The Hard SPL stays
only if you have some problems you can reflash it with hard SPL again and with a custom roms, but if you don't have any probs, you don't have to do it anymore ;-)
I'm not sure if this is correct (correct me if i'm wrong), but if you flash your phone with an official rom/firmware, the hard-spl-thing will be gone.
So after flashing with an official rom/fw, you'll need to flash the hard-spl again if you want a custom rom on it.
hm... i think you have missunderstand me... ^^
I wasn't able to flash the new Custom Rom. I tried to do so and the phone was in bootloader mode and then there comes the thing that says "23%" ... "24%" and so on...
But after the Soft Reset ("...100%") there wasnt the new rom on my phone but the old one...
So that didnt work for me...
I think you have to flash the hard spl every time before you can flash a custom rom
Kid_DC said:
I think you have to flash the hard spl every time before you can flash a custom rom
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No, you don`t need too, HardSPL stays forever.
And why wasn't I able to flash a new rom without hardspl first?
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And why wasn't I able to flash a new rom without hardspl first?
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Because, before you flash custom rom for the first time, you need to HardSPL first, but only one time.
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hm... This was my 30. flash of a custom rom, I think.
Can`t say, .nbh file was damaged in some way, but if u flash same file after HardSPL, hmm.. wierd Never happend to me.
Hi all i am new to this got my first HTC Touch HD today
looking at the roms theres a few i like just got a few questions.
what is the best to use HSPL or USPL?
will flashing a new rom mess up my sim lock?
When it says donate whast the normal to donate? dont want to give to little
thanks about it
Thanks
Jonathan Hemmings
HSPL sits in ur rom permanently whereas USPL opens the loop once. That means flashing each time u need to use USPL
U need to read this guide fully to understand and make ur choice
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505377
People donate as low as US$ 5 whereas donating US$ 10 is a good amount to start with. Flash different rom's and make ur choice which author u like more. Then u can donate a higher amount if u like that author's creation. I am a big fan of Energy's pheonix rom.
Regarding SIM lock. Flashing rom doesnt mess with ur SIM lock or unlock feature and if ur sim is locked u can open it with olipro's tool. Try searching it in the forum.
It all depends on u what flashing method u choose, how much u donate and which rom meets ur needs....
Welcome to XDA and have a great time here.
BEWARE: Flashing ur phones makes ur phone look much cooler and sexier and u will madly fall in love with ur Touch HD once u find ur perfect rom
HAVE A GREAT STAY....
Thanks for the info mate
one thing i cant get my head round is the USPL and HSPL it say that HSPL is permanent but then it says once you have done it you can flash as ment times as you like ?? i am a little confused.
with the USPL if the battery dies or you take your battery out will it lose the rom?
Thanks
Jonathan Hemmings
also is there a way of making a copy of the rom that is on my phone now just incase i did not get on with any of them and i wanted to go back to this one?
thanks again
hemmjonny said:
one thing i cant get my head round is the USPL and HSPL it say that HSPL is permanent but then it says once you have done it you can flash as ment times as you like ?? i am a little confused.
with the USPL if the battery dies or you take your battery out will it lose the rom?
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HSPL is one written to the handset. USPL isn't written to the handset, the files are sent to the handset when used and it loads another SPL on top of the existing one which is lost when the handset is rebooted (i.e. when the ROM has been installed).
I personally use USPL so I can keep the stock SPL as installed by HTC. Some prefer the HSPL as they don't have to use USPL everytime they want to flash.
I'd probably start with USPL and if you find you flash more often, change to HSPL. Apparently though, HSPL provides more protection against a bad flash - unsure what it does though as I've never used it
It doesn't matter what SPL you use though, once a ROM is flashed to the phone, it stays there until you flash another.
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also is there a way of making a copy of the rom that is on my phone now just incase i did not get on with any of them and i wanted to go back to this one?
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I'm unsure of any way to backup an existing ROM. I'd take a look on HTC's website as they may have an updated stock ROM available for download. I keep that one as my stock ROM to revert to after a couple of custom ROM flashes.
hemmjonny said:
Thanks for the info mate
one thing i cant get my head round is the USPL and HSPL it say that HSPL is permanent but then it says once you have done it you can flash as ment times as you like ?? i am a little confused.
with the USPL if the battery dies or you take your battery out will it lose the rom?
Thanks
Jonathan Hemmings
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Factory SPL is preventing you to flash any ROM made for another region or another language. Sometimes there are specific ROMs, made by HTC for certain providers, and SPL takes care to allow you only to flash an official upgrade for the same provider or the same region.
If you wish to flash a cooked ROM, you need to circumvent this protection in the SPL.
USPL makes a loophole in your existing SPL and it will allow flashing (now I see jonifen has explained it better). However, that loophole will disappear after the hard reset. Whenever you decide to flash another ROM, yo'll have to repeat USPL. The advantage is that you keep your official SPL.
HSPL is completely replacing your SPL with a new one, and the new one is slightly changed by OliNex: it always let you flash any ROM you want.
Hard reset will not affect it, as hard resets do not replace or wipe the ROM, SPL or the radio, they only wipe all your data and all 3rd party applications installed by you.
Thanks for all the info i am now flashing i have gone for HSPL as my phone is out of warranty + its lots easier + more stable from what i have read on here.
Thanks again for all your help
Jonathan
Before i put back the original spl and my ROM that i got with the phone i thought i should ask if anyone have an idea of what has gone wrong with my phone.
Right now i have HSPL on my phone, i think the name is 1.56 olinex, my radio is 1.14 and my ROM is kwbr topix 3.5 WM 6.1
Over the last months i have tried at leas 20 different cooked ROMS but the always end up with some kind of problem that i did not have before. The phone hangs, the wifi dont work, i can have a ROM on for a week without a problem, sometimes just an hour.I have read every thread there is about it, but i dont find any solution. I do perform task 29 prior to flashing, i have flashed back my original ROM, downloaded from HTC and tried to install a cooked ROM after that, but it doesnt help, the problems are the same.
I can mention that i dont have those problem when i have my orignal ROM on( the one that i have downloaded from HTC).
I would be very glad if anybody could help me cause i dont want my stock ROM back, its so boring.
Thank you for listening.
Forca
did you perfom 2 hard resets after flashing?
Flash a stock rom and see if that helps..
alchopop said:
great, so whats the actual problem?
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The biggest problem, in my opinion is that the phone hangs, (turns off itself) and the wifi dont work. But maybe its just something that happens to everybody that is not using the stock ROM or am i wrong there.
Forca
alchopop said:
did you perfom 2 hard resets after flashing?
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Yes, sometimes 3
mwaldi3 said:
Flash a stock rom and see if that helps..
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Just to make things clear here, when everybody it talking about that it could help flashing a stock rom before you flash a custom rom, do you then mean install the rom that you download from HTC, or a stock rom that you can find in the forums here. The thing is with the stock rom from HTC you dont have to put the phone in its bootloader to flash. If the answer is that i should flash a stock rom that i can find here in the wiki, what rom should i use then, there are like 30 different ones.
Forca
Here is an other question about stock ROMS. Does anybody know if there is a stock ROM with color icons and the my location function? Do i have to have HSPL or USPL on my phone to but a stock rom on it, or does it work with the original SPL.
Forca
I would recommend performing a task 29, then flashing a stock rom from the wiki on these forums. Once flashed then reflash a custom rom. Let us know how you get on. Also, not to point out the obvious, ensure you having matching SPL with rom
Fallen Spartan said:
I would recommend performing a task 29, then flashing a stock rom from the wiki on these forums. Once flashed then reflash a custom rom. Let us know how you get on. Also, not to point out the obvious, ensure you having matching SPL with rom
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When i set my phone to bootloader it says: SPL-l.56.olinex and the ROM i am using is :Topix 3.5 WM6.1 Manila 2.1 Sense weather.Found here; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592632.How do i know if they are compatible? What ROMS can i use and what ROMS can i not use with my current SPL.
Forca
Forcavitale said:
When i set my phone to bootloader it says: SPL-l.56.olinex and the ROM i am using is :Topix 3.5 WM6.1 Manila 2.1 Sense weather.Found here; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592632.How do i know if they are compatible? What ROMS can i use and what ROMS can i not use with my current SPL.
Forca
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Its wm6.5 so would have a base of 1.56+ which is compatible with your SPL. All roms based on 1.56+ are compatible with HSPL 1.56
As I mentioned earlier, try a task 29 and restore stock rom from wiki, then reflash custom rom. Also, try and make sure that your radio and rilphone match. Should improve signal/reception and possibly performance
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Its wm6.5 so would have a base of 1.56+ which is compatible with your SPL. All roms based on 1.56+ are compatible with HSPL 1.56
As I mentioned earlier, try a task 29 and restore stock rom from wiki, then reflash custom rom. Also, try and make sure that your radio and rilphone match. Should improve signal/reception and possibly performance
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Thank you for helping a noob out here One more noobish question, how do i know if the rilphone and the radio match?Right now i have the radio 1.14 and i found this cab http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=610927, i am not sure if the match, but if the dont what do i look for when i want to download the rilphone file?
Hi. Seems like the only thing you haven't tried is the reapply the HSPL. I've heard that it can sometimes get screwed up and this may account for the problems you're having. Obviously applying the HSPL is risky because if it goes wrong you have yourself an expensive waper weight. Good luck.
Just to get it right, when i flash a stock ROM do i have to wait until its completely installed(i mean booting up installing windows, setting time and date), until i flash my custom ROM or can i just pull out the battery when the smart mobility shows up
Forca
Hmmm.... I'm using USPL with no problems, so it's not necessary to have HSPL on your phone (depending on ROM).
I used USPL with Topix 3.5 WM 6.1 weather sense, so there should be no problem too.
Normally I do HR when ROM shows alignment screen.
Ah, yes... and I flash stock ROM from HTC site....
Bodisson said:
Hmmm.... I'm using USPL with no problems, so it's not necessary to have HSPL on your phone (depending on ROM).
I used USPL with Topix 3.5 WM 6.1 weather sense, so there should be no problem too.
Normally I do HR when ROM shows alignment screen.
Ah, yes... and I flash stock ROM from HTC site....
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So in other words it could work to flash my old original rom with the original radio on, undo my HSPL to the original SPL, then get USPL on the phone and flash Topix 3,5?
Forca
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I would recommend performing a task 29, then flashing a stock rom from the wiki on these forums. Once flashed then reflash a custom rom. Let us know how you get on. Also, not to point out the obvious, ensure you having matching SPL with rom
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Alright i did what you recommended last night; flashed swedish stock ROM with radio 1.13, performed task 29, flashed Topix 3.5 with Windows 6.1 and sense weather, hard reset 2 time.
1 Wifi dont work, when i turn it on, it turns off, i then install the my location rilphone cab that i mentioned, and start up the phone again, now it works.
In the morning when i am writing this, it still works.
Will keep you updated once a day here.
Forca
Forcavitale said:
Alright i did what you recommended last night; flashed swedish stock ROM, performed task 29, flashed Topix 3.5 with Windows 6.1 and sense weather, hard reset 2 time.
1 Wifi dont work, when i turn it on, it turns off, i then install the my location rilphone cab that i mentioned, and start up the phone again, now it works.
In the morning when i am writing this, it still works.
Will keep you updated once a day here.
Forca
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One more thing to try with the WiFi to make it work
Go to Comm manager in settings and make sure that WiFi is OFF
Switch OFF the phone (not soft reset but switch it OFF so that it shuts down all processes properly
Reboot the phone after 10 seconds
Switch on WiFi and see if that cures your problem
I have noticed sometimes after a soft reset my WiFi dosent work but switching off forces it reset itself
Hope that helps
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One more thing to try with the WiFi to make it work
Go to Comm manager in settings and make sure that WiFi is OFF
Switch OFF the phone (not soft reset but switch it OFF so that it shuts down all processes properly
Reboot the phone after 10 seconds
Switch on WiFi and see if that cures your problem
I have noticed sometimes after a soft reset my WiFi dosent work but switching off forces it reset itself
Hope that helps
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Exactly what i have noticed too, Flashed a ROM a few days ago, wifi dont work, i dont do anything but turning the phone off and on again and i works.
Am i using the right rilphone for my radio 1.13? i used this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=610927 i use the rilphone my location cab in this post.
Mmmm.... maybe you should update to Radio 1.14... I was not satisfied at all with 1.13...
And most cooks have habit of cooking rilphone in their ROMs, but not radio...
So far I found that rilphone 1.14 works with almost any radio.
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Mmmm.... maybe you should update to Radio 1.14... I was not satisfied at all with 1.13...
And most cooks have habit of cooking rilphone in their ROMs, but not radio...
So far I found that rilphone 1.14 works with almost any radio.
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In fact the only reason i have radio1.13 on is cause it came along with my stock rom