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New to the tilt, advice needed...

Ok, so I have the tools to load some roms, and have tried a couple roms already, schap (sp?) and one other I can't remember the name of.
What I would like some advice on is this.
What is the Rom that speeds this phoe up the most.
Is there a list of cabs, both oem and aftermarket, that I can pick and choose from?
But most of all I want speed.I hate how slow this phone is.

Oh yes, also, my radio version is 1.27.12.11.
Should this be updated, or are different radio versions needed for different roms?
I have att phone......

I'm relatively new too. However, I think you could easily get ten different answers to the "Favorite ROM" question (or even the "fastest ROM"). I've now tried all the major ones and, to be honest, I'm not positive which is the fastest even for my particular uses. I prefer lighter ROMs because I install a fair amount of .cabs and that changes everything as far as performance. Currently using Dutty's V2 (medium). Also like Alex's ultraclean and Q's (will be flashing his latest tonight probably). Test them out and play with them to figure out what works for you and your needs. Do you want all the multimedia capabilities? Do you want a cube? Which standard apps (.pdf reader, task manager, etc.) do you want to use? A good start is the upgrading board and just reading the threads related to the newest ROM versions.
Yes, there may be a recommended radio for each specific ROM.
Great source of .cabs here - http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/Kaiser Cab Collections/
BTW - someone recently did true performance specs of a bunch of the major ROMs. There is an excel file floating around. But, to be honest, it didn't mean much to me. How the ROM works "out of the box" and how it works once you've added your preferred programs may be different.
If I may make a friendly suggestion - READ, READ, READ. I've spent a lot of free time on here trying to learn and, as a result, have never been flamed. 99.9% of any questions you'll find have already been asked. There are some amazingly knowledgeable people on here that truly want to help. What they don't want is newbies (like me) to expect to be spoonfed when the answer to my question is out there and can be found as the result of a simple search. Use the Google search function in each board. It's your friend.
Good luck. It's an addiction....

Thanks for the help..... I'll just read read read..... forums are nothing new, so I can search search as well.....

[README] BUG Reporting on your New Rom

Dear people, I have been reading the posts about the problems with new installed cooked roms, and its hard to wade through the clutter and confusion.
So here my humble suggestions, in the hope the reports about the roms will be a bit more reliable and readable.
First you must understand, that your new cooked rom makes your phone a totally different machine as the original one.
You should ASSUME, that its NOT compatible with any software you used before. Most software and add-ons are made for the original roms and NOT for your newly installed cooked rom. (Unless stated otherwise by the add-on maker)
New cooked roms ARE DIFFERENT, WORK DIFFERENT.
Although the chefs (people who cook new roms) do their best to provide you with a perfect rom, it most likely will contain bugs and incompatibilties of some sort.
They, and potential users, need to know those bugs (and possible workarounds).
BUT
If you installed 3rd party software (including graphical stuff), or used programs to restore settings and data, you MAY have installed or restored incompatible stuff.
And this may cause an otherwise good working cooked rom to show "bugs", but are in fact incompatibilities.
SO
READ the instructions of the chef carefully.
DON'T install or change anything on your freshly installed cooked rom, and TEST ALL the functionality and programs supplied on the rom, WITHOUT restoring anything, not even your contacts (but add a few manually). Don't take this lightly. This IS THE ONLY WAY to see if your cooked rom works correctly.
If you notice any bugs during this stage, try to find if there are similar bugs reported in the thread about the cooked rom. If not describe as good as you can, what you were doing that led to the bug, and report. You could include your current radio version and original rom version. And tell you didn't install anything. If you find a similar bug in the thread, confirm you have the same (and quote the other report), adding more RELEVANT information if you have.
Then, one by one, do the things you would like to do.
ONE by ONE.
After every action you take that changes the content of your phone, TEST the functionality of the phone. Again, don't take this lightly. Some programs or add-ons may affect the working of the phone in other areas as they would on an other rom.
If you find bugs after "changing the content", and this inlcudes programs contacts etc, see if similar bugs have been reported. If not describe as good as you can, what you were doing that led to the bug, and report. You could include your current radio version and original rom version. And tell you what you installed or changed, also what you already had changed before this current change, so ALL programs you have installed and changes you have made). If you find a similar bug in the thread, confirm you have the same (and quote the other report), adding more RELEVANT information if you have.
IN ALL CASES, report the version of the cooked rom you are using. (The threads start in most cases with version x.xx but are changed during the development to x.yy, so a version number makes it easier for people who are wading through the hundreds of posts)
Maybe chefs could start a new thread for every version the put online? The pages about your previous release under your new one are irrelevant, and where to start reading about the latest? Makes things easier to read and understand!!
Thanks and happy flashing!

Gede said:
First you must understand, that your new cooked rom makes your phone a totally different machine as the original one.
You should ASSUME, that its NOT compatible with any software you used before. Most software and add-ons are made for the original roms and NOT for your newly installed cooked rom. (Unless stated otherwise by the add-on maker)
New cooked roms ARE DIFFERENT, WORK DIFFERENT.
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a cooked ROM does not nessasarily make a big difference and 99% of the time it will not be a TOTAL change like you have stated and will generaly be very similar to a previous rom apart from a few tweaks and updated software, tho it does vary. 3rd party programs should work on any rom if its compatible with the device and o/s unless a ROM is deffective. However installing backups can cause problems so should be avoided if possible.
the only time it will vary to a large degree is when going from O/S versions i.e WindowsMobile 6.1 to WindowsMobile 6.5
Gede said:
Then, one by one, do the things you would like to do.
ONE by ONE.
After every action you take that changes the content of your phone, TEST the functionality of the phone.
If you find bugs after "changing the content", and this inlcudes programs contacts etc, see if similar bugs have been reported. If not describe as good as you can, what you were doing that led to the bug, and report. You could include your current radio version and original rom version. And tell you what you installed or changed, also what you already had changed before this current change, so ALL programs you have installed and changes you have made). If you find a similar bug in the thread, confirm you have the same (and quote the other report), adding more RELEVANT information if you have.
Thanks and happy flashing!
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yes this is a great idea IF your having problems however I would only do this if I was having a problem no one else had yet reported. otherwise if a rom is stable just install away.

im with Gede on this
this is how i work:
install rom, run for a day as is, nothing else added. test as many things as i can including any of my own little tweaks i make after a new rom
then day by day (ie 1 app per day) i add in my 3rd party software, if i come across a problem, i uninstall the last app and see if the problem is still there, invariably it isnt and might just need a fresh install of the latest version to overcome the problem
yes it can take a week or more to go through this process but its the only way to ensure you are able to install all or most of your apps and have a device that functions well
also, i would say that most of the new cooked roms are really quite removed from the tock rom as they are tweaked with all sorts of oem cabs from different rom versions, whether these are just dfferent area roms, different versions of rom or as is the case more and more, oem apps from roms for different devices
i think the main point to remember in all this is that the cooks, cook the roms for themselves, they choose to share with the community... just because it dont work for you or doesnt meet your need... that doesnt mean the rom is buggy nor does it mean the cook owes you any fix or improvement
its really piddling me off to see how many people come to these forums and DEMAND this that and the other from the chefs
i think we are privilidged and should be grateful to have people here that choose to share their work with us for free so that our devices can be better and more useful then they are off the shelf
iphone users dont have the choice

WM 6.5 questions(not found in forums)

Ok first I have read many posts waded through many many long sentences and even googled for other answers. but lets just get straight to the questions...
first the rumor is May11 for 6.5 final. if true what will be the final build number? Others and myself included need to know for all the cooked roms that are out there. I personally love having a ton of roms to try, but I use my phone on a daily bases and I hate to flash and set everything up to to find a newer build of the OS just came out, and everyone cooked new roms.
now for this question, I do not want in any way shape fashion or form to be a better vrs better rom. I simply want a basic no frills latest 6.5 rom without touchflo without other programs, I will pick and choose what I want to put on my phone. QuickGPS and .net 3.5 is ok, but adding all the other stuff that I will never use just takes up space. so I looked and looked for just a basic 6.5 latest build with nothing added and I cannot find it, and no I cannot cook my own do to no experience. So can someone please shed any light on a light rom with the latest 6.5 build and or if the whole may 11th thing is true then should I wait till then for 6.5
thanks for any help, and I'm sure wrapping up some 6.5 questions in one spot will help others get answers to, or even show the fine cooks out there what some others want I love the roms I have tried, but I need my phone so I cannot try all of them and putting out there what I'm looking for may land me help on a rom I missed when perusing the forums.

Rom that is most suitable

Hi there!!!
First of all, (just in case somebody wanders who the heck I am), I am regular bloke not particulary interested in any of the parts of developing and cooking ROM-s. Just a user who, (aren't we all), wants to have more stable and faster, (as it is able), os on the Phone.
In the first place, when I've bought the X1, I have been happy for a while, after that I begun to see some disadvantages of that device, (small icons, unresponsive OS, some kind of "its own will" etc), so I refered to this forum. Have been reading for it for a while, and decided to try some of ROM-s You gays are cooking.
And here is keypoint.
Ok, it is meant to be free, so I'm not actualy allowed to moan about any thing here, but...
Some ROM-s are to overloaded with needles features thus rather are slow, some are buggy, some of ROM-s are locked with features that are unable to move out of the OS, (like twitter, facebook, stocks and similar things specially coming with manilla interface).
These things are slowing down devices, (I really do not know why so), so badly that are diverting me, (and I believe others), from using some of Your products.
Instead of, I believe unnecessary thingies, You could cook an clean ROM with
Manilla some kind of , and basic features it gives. Other things could be put in by users.
Or I'm wrong ???
So I decided to put this post with Your, (meaning all users) opinions and to put some critics on same place
Thanks in advance.

I recommend you try Jack 4.x ROM. You can try the lite or medium. Both ROM versions are very stable and fast and you can customize them. You can find them in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=543073

Well, I think I am the "typical" guy like you.
Depending on your preferences, I do think you can find what you want and need. It takes, of course, some trials, but the flashing process is fast and easy.
I actually prefer the Manila ROMs because of that very interface. In combination with WinMo 6.1, and without too much other software, you get speed and stability, as you assume. After quite some trials, I stayed with Touch X 10.8.2 because it is fast, not overloaded and stable.
Even the latest 6.5 WinMo variants combined with any version of Manila do not seem to me as fast as the 6.1 ROMs, including the really nice Touch IT Multilanguage, which looks as "clean" as you would get a new Manila device. When I tried it, I liked it very much even though it is slower than Touch X, but the bug I found took me back to Touch X again.
If you are not into Manila at all, there are some "clean" and "pure" WinMo ROMs - no Manila at all - which might offer even more speed than Touch X - I never tried that.

Touch X 10.1
It has an older manila 2.1, very fast and stable. Bugs have all been fixed and it has been around a while. Also has a nice selection of apps included and "it just works".
I am a bit of a flashaholic, but when I need my device to be usable and stable I flash 10.1

Really Can't make sense of it all

There needs to be a dummies guide to this. I can't make sense of it all. I find literally hundreds of ROMs and then find dozens of builds for each one. I can't take it anymore! All I want is something that removes the bloatware, runs faster than the stock Tilt 2 ROM, doesn't lose any capabilities such as keyboards, etc, lets SPB MS 3.5 run faster, and lets me tether.
Why don't the chef's at least provide a simple list of their ROMs and what they do, what works better and what doesn't work with that particular ROM? I've been digging through this site for two weeks now and I'm not even any closer to knowing what to flash now than when I started. I know from other searches that the Mods tend to close requests like this, but I'm really stumped and I really have tried. I'm not an idiot by any means. I do understand that these are being provided for free and that I should be appreciative....and I am. But it seems to me that even the devs themselves would benefit from this so they wouldn't duplicate each others work and would be able to better track what they are doing.
Anyways, any suggestions for the ROM to do what I want?

kfreels said:
There needs to be a dummies guide to this. I can't make sense of it all. I find literally hundreds of ROMs and then find dozens of builds for each one. I can't take it anymore! All I want is something that removes the bloatware, runs faster than the stock Tilt 2 ROM, doesn't lose any capabilities such as keyboards, etc, lets SPB MS 3.5 run faster, and lets me tether.
Why don't the chef's at least provide a simple list of their ROMs and what they do, what works better and what doesn't work with that particular ROM? I've been digging through this site for two weeks now and I'm not even any closer to knowing what to flash now than when I started. I know from other searches that the Mods tend to close requests like this, but I'm really stumped and I really have tried. I'm not an idiot by any means. I do understand that these are being provided for free and that I should be appreciative....and I am. But it seems to me that even the devs themselves would benefit from this so they wouldn't duplicate each others work and would be able to better track what they are doing.
Anyways, any suggestions for the ROM to do what I want?
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What you do is flash one and see if you like it. If not, it is quite simple to flash another.
Try the Titanium 2 Jun NRG ROM and see what you think. It has no Sense version at all, which increases the storage memory size.
http://www.fileserve.com/list/X9nQc65
EDIT: I am assuming that you have read the "Flashing for NOOB" and the "Hard SPL" threads, you need both to be able to flash a custom ROM.

I have pretty much tried all of the ROMs but I reallly like only 2 ROMs. The best one for me is Cell Evo V7 (23541) (the link to thread. I have just flashed Josh's ROM. n i havent had any problem yet. I use the Sense 2.1. (its in my sig) I think 2.5 is still very buggy. so that maybe somethin u may wanna try out. I think the evo one is the most stable! but this is all just my own opinion. u may or may not like them!

Thanks for the tips. I have read the pages you mentioned and I understand that flashing in itself is a simple process. But for me, it's not just the flashing. I have to flash, install SPB MS and all of my apps, setup my weather, my exchange server and sync my contacts, configure active-sync, apply all my tweaks and then the phone is ready to use. Then if I don't like a ROM because it is slow or buggy, I'll have to do it all again......
At least that's how I picture it. Now if you are telling me that I don't have to go through all that each time, then I'll be a happy camper, but I suspect I am right on this.
What is a "sense" version that you are referring to?
Also, if you could explain the difference between a light, full and normal build that would be nice.
And what the deal is with finding matching "radios" whatever that is about.
And what is a "manila"?
And the problem with keyboards???? Do most ROMS have trouble using the keyboard? What other issues might I encounter while trying to use the normal functions of the device?
There's a lot of jargon here and I just don't see a single place that explains it all.

kfreels said:
Thanks for the tips. I have read the pages you mentioned and I understand that flashing in itself is a simple process. But for me, it's not just the flashing. I have to flash, install SPB MS and all of my apps, setup my weather, my exchange server and sync my contacts, configure active-sync, apply all my tweaks and then the phone is ready to use. Then if I don't like a ROM because it is slow or buggy, I'll have to do it all again......
At least that's how I picture it. Now if you are telling me that I don't have to go through all that each time, then I'll be a happy camper, but I suspect I am right on this.
What is a "sense" version that you are referring to?
Also, if you could explain the difference between a light, full and normal build that would be nice.
And what the deal is with finding matching "radios" whatever that is about.
And what is a "manila"?
And the problem with keyboards???? Do most ROMS have trouble using the keyboard? What other issues might I encounter while trying to use the normal functions of the device?
There's a lot of jargon here and I just don't see a single place that explains it all.
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Manilla = Sense. "Sense" is the name that HTC uses for their UI. There are two major versions, 2.1 and 2.5 (newest). There is also an older UI called TF3D (TouchFlo 3D).
Matching radios refers to flashing your radio with different firmware. The device has ROM versions, which is what everyone is referring to, and the Radio has a different version. Some people prefer a certain radio, some ROMs recommend a certain radio. I'm using NRG, and have never updated my radio version.
Keyboards. Most ROMS will not automatically map your keyboard (AT&T and T-Mobile have different mappings - the exception is a ROM built for a specific carrier). The reason is simple - the Chef doesn't know what carrier you are using! On the NRG ROMs, there is a tool included to "provision" your device for your carrier; this fixes the keyboard. Or you can do a search and find the right keyboard .cab file for your device.
- Light, medium, and full. I personally don't use these terms, but my definition would be as follows. Light is a ROM that has very little added functionality other than what Microsoft provided with the operating system. Full is a ROM (like NRG) that has lots of custom stuff baked into the ROM - extra utilities and etc., which are useful to you (in the Chef's opinion). A medium would be somewhere in between.
I would include the stock ROM as a "Full" ROM, except that in their case a lot of their software is "bloatware", which means stuff they added because they could, or they had some kind of deal with a particular company, etc. It is called "bloatware" because it seems to serve only the purpose of making the ROM harder to use and cluttering up the menu system with lots of useless stuff - bloated.
Are you a happier camper?

two of your best bets are gonna be the
e2 rom and the nrg version of your choise
e2 rom is almost exatly like the att stock but a lot sexier

jdm_labrat said:
two of your best bets are gonna be the
e2 rom and the nrg version of your choise
e2 rom is almost exatly like the att stock but a lot sexier
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Umm, speaking personally, I'm not sure I want a "sexy" TP2!

Ah. That explains a lot. Thanks for the info. Maybe one day when I'm no longer a dummy I'll write a dummies guide. Until then, thanks for the tips.

Hi,
I had the same problem as you, I just wanted a stock rom without all the extra stuff that htc provides, I wanted to be simple, fast and stable, after flashing a lot of ROM I decided to take the problem in my own hands so I started learning how to cook my own ROM, you have a very good guide about how to do that here.
After reading and understanding this guide you can create your own ROMs just the way you like it.
Maybe just like me you will not succeed for the first time, but in the end you will have a ROM cooked by you and will suite all your needs.
Good luck!