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stupid question : WHAT IS THE BEST ROM ?

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The best ROM is the one that does more what you want than any other. Only you can answer that.
Best way is to try.
Best way to discourage the work of our ROM cookers - asking people what the best ROM is. You'll never get a clear answer or straight winner. I have tried the latest versions of all of the available WM6 ROMS for the Trinity. They're all good and all have small glitches. But that info is available in the threads.
Any I'm afraid you'll have to read those (it's worth it - you'll learn so much) or try out different ROMs for yourself (it's worth it - you'll learn so much).
You'll also see that creating new threads to ask "stupid questions" - especially when they've been asked and dealt with before (please search xda-developers with google - it works, honestly) just makes the forum a mess and more difficult to find the answers you're looking for.
Try some ROMs - enjoy - and share your experiences of each ROM in the dedicated threads. And more than anything - enjoy!

TNX
Thank You, I Just Try.... :d

the best one is the one with all the pr0n preinstalled

Rudegar said:
the best one is the one with all the pr0n preinstalled
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Haha.
I have to agree with nealed. I have tried a few ROMs and found the one that I liked the best. They are all great in different ways so read through the comments and test them out.

The best ROM is... the ROM you cooked in your own kitchen to your own taste
To each his/her own... There can never be concensus on the "best" ROM out there...

nealed said:
The best ROM is the one that does more what you want than any other. Only you can answer that.
Best way is to try.
Best way to discourage the work of our ROM cookers - asking people what the best ROM is. You'll never get a clear answer or straight winner. I have tried the latest versions of all of the available WM6 ROMS for the Trinity. They're all good and all have small glitches. But that info is available in the threads.
Any I'm afraid you'll have to read those (it's worth it - you'll learn so much) or try out different ROMs for yourself (it's worth it - you'll learn so much).
You'll also see that creating new threads to ask "stupid questions" - especially when they've been asked and dealt with before (please search xda-developers with google - it works, honestly) just makes the forum a mess and more difficult to find the answers you're looking for.
Try some ROMs - enjoy - and share your experiences of each ROM in the dedicated threads. And more than anything - enjoy!
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with all the respect, i have to disagree!!! there are in this forum a few "chosen ones" that are real experts in everything about "cooking" and "flashing" and so on...(never met such a bunch in any forum, on any subject)
there is also a great majority that are here looking for expert advice and yes, during the process are learning BUT just seeing all the "HELP STACKED IN...!!!" or "HELP MY TRINITY IS NOT EVEN HARD RESETING!!!!" are too scared to try flashing or changing ROM even once. you encourage them to try all the roms?!!? c'mon, be reasonable.
it is not a shame to ask which one is the best! i can bet my trinity against an x500 (and x500 is a real piece of sh.., believe me, i had one) that the real question is "witch one is not going to brick my ppc if i am doing something wrong or witch one has less bugs to correct after"???
there is another type (that's me) that have a little know-how but can not afford the time to look for the best one or to be stuck even for a day without their precious (not only $ precious) Personal Digital Assistant. All my important stuff in my life and busines (sometime i wonder what's the difference?..hehehe) is there and it doesn't matter how many back-ups i have, if tomorrow i can not have it in perfect working condition.....i am lost.
this is by far the best forum i ever seen, i owe you ppl here a lot, i admire (sometimes i envy) you but please have a little understanding for us, the mortal ones.
Nealed, i choose to answer to yr post because you are a senior. my post and and plead for a little more understanding is for everybody that can help and it is not necessarily only in the "who's rom is the best"...........

I'm a member of many fora (not related) and have to say that this one is a real "gold mine" of knowledge. But there is a problem. The knowledge is very indigestible for an average person and you guys, with all due respect, are not helping to make this more accessible.
I'm a Noob to Trinity.
I started my adventure with very unfortunate accident while unlocking.
That's how I found xda-developers. I knew that the solution was here somewhere but how to get it if you don't know what CID, ROM, flash etc is? And you're in panic? Well, simple - search. But how am I gonna find anything not knowing that my device is "stuck" in a "bootloader"? One thing I knew was that I could see 3 color screen. That's not enough to do a search. So I asked. And nobody answered. Nice.
Now I know more and I WILL try to help others that don't.

KukurikU said:
with all the respect, i have to disagree!!! there are in this forum a few "chosen ones" that are real experts in everything about "cooking" and "flashing" and so on...(never met such a bunch in any forum, on any subject)...........
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I agree.
I'm in IT, not a newb, but can't afford the time to test all this stuff (and God Help me if my PDA was bricked!).
I appreciate why anyone would be hesitant to finger good/bad ROMs but, despite all the flack that would inevitably attract, it _is_ what would help the many lurkers here.
We all want to improve on the 'as supplied' ROMS, but the thing that stops me, at any rate, is the sheer risk of trying another. Anything that reduces that is GOOD!
Cheers
Brian Abbott

Request from me

Regarding ppl who dump my roms, and recook them.
Please do as you wish with the rom, for personal use.
But start releasing versions of my roms, and all my help, roms, tutorials..everything will be deleted.
I dont have copyright, I know that. But I have worked hard and spent alot of hours doing so, and I would feel that, if this would happen, its stealing my "basic work" and getting credit for making a "great rom"
Im sure many feel they can help and make better roms. Well, do it from scratch. Get credit for your own work
So my request is as mentioned, dont release roms based on my builds. (And dont try to fool me and say you cooked it from scratch and release a rom.
My roms are "branded" I did some stuff in it so that I would recognice it if I extract it)
Im giving you a tutorial to make your own stuff, so please dont " bite the hand of the guy who is feeding you "
just my 2 cents
cheers

I second that motion!

itje said:
Regarding ppl who dump my roms, and recook them.
Please do as you wish with the rom, for personal use.
But start releasing versions of my roms, and all my help, roms, tutorials..everything will be deleted.
I dont have copyright, I know that. But I have worked hard and spent alot of hours doing so, and I would feel that, if this would happen, its stealing my "basic work" and getting credit for making a "great rom"
Im sure many feel they can help and make better roms. Well, do it from scratch. Get credit for your own work
So my request is as mentioned, dont release roms based on my builds. (And dont try to fool me and say you cooked it from scratch and release a rom.
My roms are "branded" I did some stuff in it so that I would recognice it if I extract it)
Im giving you a tutorial to make your own stuff, so please dont " bite the hand of the guy who is feeding you "
just my 2 cents
cheers
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I hope that no one in this forum is trying to steal hard work from others like itje. I use to only use PDAVIET roms since they were one of the best roms for my wing, but lately itje's stuff have been working a lot better in my eyes.
People please do not steal from hard working developers like itje.
Thanks for reading,

ttran001 said:
I hope that no one in this forum is trying to steal hard work from others like itje. I use to only use PDAVIET roms since they were one of the best roms for my wing, but lately itje's stuff have been working a lot better in my eyes.
People please do not steal from hard working developers like itje.
Thanks for reading,
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I wasn't trying to steal anyone's work. I just noticed that you had recooked itje's ROM with ingredients I would put in a ROM if I had the skills to do so. It didn't dawn on me that itje would object to someone distributing a recook of his or her ROM since he or she is distributing a recook of Microsoft's ROM. But now that I know, I respect his or her position. I didn't mean to start anything.
I will say that I appreciate the fact that itje is willing to share the fruits of his or her skills and even help pass those skills on to others. "Give a man fish and he is fed for a day. Teach him to fish and he is fed for life."

newtomda said:
I wasn't trying to steal anyone's work. I just noticed that you had recooked itje's ROM with ingredients I would put in a ROM if I had the skills to do so. It didn't dawn on me that itje would object to someone distributing a recook of his or her ROM since he or she is distributing a recook of Microsoft's ROM. But now that I know, I respect his or her position. I didn't mean to start anything.
I will say that I appreciate the fact that itje is willing to share the fruits of his or her skills and even help pass those skills on to others. "Give a man fish and he is fed for a day. Teach him to fish and he is fed for life."
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I don't think he was reffering to you, but instead actually people who know how to cook romz and try to re-work his a release it has their own ......... and seeing that you don't know how to do so then I would guess that don't have to be sorry for requesting one

newtomda said:
I wasn't trying to steal anyone's work. I just noticed that you had recooked itje's ROM with ingredients I would put in a ROM if I had the skills to do so. It didn't dawn on me that itje would object to someone distributing a recook of his or her ROM since he or she is distributing a recook of Microsoft's ROM. But now that I know, I respect his or her position. I didn't mean to start anything.
I will say that I appreciate the fact that itje is willing to share the fruits of his or her skills and even help pass those skills on to others. "Give a man fish and he is fed for a day. Teach him to fish and he is fed for life."
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Hi,
I think you took it the wrong way as stated by Jamaican, I was not talking about you. I love to help others, but the last time I tried to share my recooked version of a rom, I was asked nicely by the owner not to do so.
Being said, I have to respect the owners wishes.
Thanks for reading,

Everybody is a cooking master these days?

Pretty wierd, Itje has been in-active for a couple of days (probably due to easter) and all of a sudden everybody is "releasing" roms like its there speciality?
And when i read these threads and somebody askes a simple thing as "are you putting youtube in it?" i see answers like "it is pretty hard to get youtube up and running, i dont know how to do that"..
Is this something everybody wants to see? Imo cooking/releasing roms should be done only by people who have the knowledge and knowhow off everything.

FalkenX said:
Pretty wierd, Itje has been in-active for a couple of days (probably due to easter) and all of a sudden everybody is "releasing" roms like its there speciality?
And when i read these threads and somebody askes a simple thing as "are you putting youtube in it?" i see answers like "it is pretty hard to get youtube up and running, i dont know how to do that"..
Is this something everybody wants to see? Imo cooking/releasing roms should be done only by people who have the knowledge and knowhow off everything.
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If they want to try to cook, why not?
It's only a win-win situation
They learn more & have more experiences and maybe they'll even getting better than Itje

very very succinctly put..
jerpeleas kitchen is very very simple to use.
and is perfect for creating that "personal rom"
unfortunately, whats happening is what often happens, and is that everyone suddenly decides to throw out that personal rom for public consumption.
now i think its great that people are trying things out, but i do think, ladies and gentlemen that you should keep your experiments a bit more "internal" at least till you understand what you're doing a bit better..
please??

fards said:
very very succinctly put..
jerpeleas kitchen is very very simple to use.
and is perfect for creating that "personal rom"
unfortunately, whats happening is what often happens, and is that everyone suddenly decides to throw out that personal rom for public consumption.
now i think its great that people are trying things out, but i do think, ladies and gentlemen that you should keep your experiments a bit more "internal" at least till you understand what you're doing a bit better..
please??
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Agreed. Glad to see more cooks or more people willing to learn to cook. But sad to see lots of them either unfinished, or not tested fully w/ lots of bugs here and there. And I don't see any unique features/characteristic/fixes among most of them since all are based on the same kitchen without going into details to learn and create.

In other words, people, if you wanna try to cook your own roms thats your own choice, but stop the posting on the forums if there arent any new feautures/bug fixes in it.

alway nice to see more people cooking.
but like myself i cooked a rom with jerpelea's kitchen.
i twisted and turned allot over and made it to my personal favors.
but i won't release for public just because it is to my own taste and i know that allot of peoplehere have different choises and willings.
it's great that cooking is made easy for everybody but if you don't have the real knowledge like our first timer chefs keep it for yourself and enjoy it as much as you can!
but hey..
that's just me

The word is not "cook" kids: it's READ and SEARCH.
Spread the word
I cook
You cook
He cooks
She cooks
We cook
You cook
They cook
But jerpelea is the biggest cooker of them all !!
Been cooking since january over WinMo 6.5, nothing worth sharing yet... until jerpelea uploaded his kitchen and I solved 6 weeks of problems in 6 minutes:
I eagerly read all 49 pages of his suggestions/tips, and included a couple of his packages into my own recipe, now I can fire the oven

knaplullig said:
alway nice to see more people cooking.
but like myself i cooked a rom with jerpelea's kitchen.
i twisted and turned allot over and made it to my personal favors.
but i won't release for public just because it is to my own taste and i know that allot of peoplehere have different choises and willings.
it's great that cooking is made easy for everybody but if you don't have the real knowledge like our first timer chefs keep it for yourself and enjoy it as much as you can!
but hey..
that's just me
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yup I've been cooking my own for a while now, but I've never released one.. mostly as I do it to learn more..

ive made 6.5/manila2 roms but havnt uploaded them because of this whole situation.
I do think however its better that ppl make their own roms and learn more about their phones then being a drone to somone else.
Its too bad that some in the past ruined it for some to truelly learn what needs to be changed in some cases. because alot of cooks are protecting their roms. so disecting their rom to see whats really in it is a bit harder then normal.
not speaking down to itje or about him. but if we were able to truely dissasemble his rom we could find out why myfaves doesnt work.
but cooking my own rom i got myfaves working but using jerpelea kitchen i get dumb little bugs

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but stop the posting on the forums if there arent any new feautures/bug fixes in it.
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That's not what I mean. But I wish new cooks instead to rush out a buggy rom (especially for 6.5 which is still beta and still with lots of issues w/ X1), could spent more time in clean up and bugfix, then release an tested and quality rom. It just a waste of time of you and your users if your rom is too buggy to be useful. Or released roms w/ features/softwares w/ bugs and issues that you don't have idea how to get them fix.

I kinda like to see all the new ROMS out. We went from 1 or 2 to a bunch. Granted there are a lot of buggy ROMS and people should do a lot more searching and more beta testing but being one of the new cooks i can see the reason for trying to release it. Some people use there phones completely differently that you do so i would think that others would find bugs that you don't. I know when i released my lite rom there were issues that i never even thought of trying so i had like 5 versions in like 2 weeks.
Most people don't add new features because a lot of the stuff is hard to come by in my opinion that is. They just release a different take on the programs and features.
I dunno just my take....

shadowmike said:
Its too bad that some in the past ruined it for some to truelly learn what needs to be changed in some cases. because alot of cooks are protecting their roms. so disecting their rom to see whats really in it is a bit harder then normal.
not speaking down to itje or about him. but if we were able to truely dissasemble his rom we could find out why myfaves doesnt work.
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I am not sure if this is his true intention. But you got to understand this is the side effect that the Bepe's kitchen he use (which is a lot more effieicent and easy to manage, and I start to use it as well since my V3.x series).
In fact, Itje is very generous in sharing what he could share in the Chef sharing thread, or his own threads w/ the helps from Fards, Akp99 (man, how come I don't have such an helpful team???). All you need is search, or ask the right man.

I have seen the same thing..
I welcome new chefs..its all good, but as said before, its not the "real" work of chefs, its more a "Ikea" sollution, buy/get the kitchen parts..put it together and use it at home...
And as jack said, please guys keep making roms..its cool..but rather then releasing roms that others has made (Jerpelea) try to make one from scratch...
I must also admit with this new wave of chefs, it also keeps getting very annoying that many of the new rom makers keep sending pm's, e-mails and adds me to msn. It didnt bother me at start, but now Its getting pretty frustrating.
And I am not even allowed to say no, they keep on coming asking for everything I know, everything I got..and if I say no, im a cocky mofo who wants to be the topchef all by himself..etc etc
I have to be rude, and I have to put ppls requests down. If not, I would not have time to do make new roms, because I was personally guiding everyone else.
That IS NOT why im here. I have no interest at all beeing a teacher...I can share stuff, but then I also like to get something back (not talking donations here) and that is a more respectful tone, specialy when I decline helping.
But, I try to point ppl in the right directions..telling them what to look for or where to find a thread with the stuff they need..usually that is not enough...cause they keep coming back asking what to look for....
But then I dont reply, because if you cant find it, then you can find another hobby..and that I dont back up on..
I have been searching this forums, so many times for new stuff, to learn new things, and I STILL DO.
I help if I can, I share when I can..but dont add me to msn to ask for cooking help. Cause you wont get it..sorry.
I know this post can be considered a bit off topic..but then again, its not..cause that is whats happening "behind the scene" of all the new "chefs"
Im sorry if this offends anyone..and im sure there is ppl among the new guys that are gonna get way better then me in this...after all, its just a hobby

I dont like ppl dissambling my roms
I tried for some time to have open roms..damn I even left in the rgus, so ppl could dump the rom and recook for personal use..
But what they didnt know was that I hid some small codes in the base of the rom
So when suddenly new roms started popping up..from ppl claiming it was their own work...can you guys guess what I found in the roms???? nahhhh..guess one more time
Then I made some "rules" Do not recook and release my roms, or I will protect them...
To bad..it still happened...
So I locked my roms, and if ppl dont like it...I dont care

Oh please don't take what ive said the wrong way. I understand the reasoning behind it.
not to be that guy but i still get the files i need from ur rom. like new images for replacement of the old green highlights.
but i also respect your work to not release anything as i understand how time consuming it is.
as i used to skin for psp's and windows mobile 6 and 6.1 standard neo and sliding panel home screens.

I have to say I've been reading this thread with particular interest, as I could be considered one of the "chefs" Itje is talking about as I recently asked him to point me in the direction of how to create ROMs. I personally found in all the custom ROMs that I tried several different little tweaks or something that I didn't use and wouldn't use and all I can say to people is, unless you've created a new TF3D or something HUGE then don't publicise ROMs - Once i eventually learn how to create on, I will simply use it just to create a ROM that is PERFECT for ME - and then I will work on creating something spectacular!
And that's my 15minutes of fame for the day
Nirave
P.S. I've just re-read the post and there is no hidden meaning in what I said regarding asking Itje! I know it sounds like there is, but there's not !

I'll open it out a little more: If anyone can help a long-time reader, small-time poster (ME!) and point me in the direction of how to create a custom ROM I'll be ever grateful
thanks
nirave

nirave said:
I have to say I've been reading this thread with particular interest, as I could be considered one of the "chefs" Itje is talking about as I recently asked him to point me in the direction of how to create ROMs. I personally found in all the custom ROMs that I tried several different little tweaks or something that I didn't use and wouldn't use and all I can say to people is, unless you've created a new TF3D or something HUGE then don't publicise ROMs - Once i eventually learn how to create on, I will simply use it just to create a ROM that is PERFECT for ME - and then I will work on creating something spectacular!
And that's my 15minutes of fame for the day
Nirave
P.S. I've just re-read the post and there is no hidden meaning in what I said regarding asking Itje! I know it sounds like there is, but there's not !
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dont worry, im not aiming at any person...but its a typical thing...its the same over and over again...same way

I dont see any problems in all these new roms. If there is nothing special, people wont be interested so that the "problem" will be solved by itself.

itje said:
dont worry, im not aiming at any person...but its a typical thing...its the same over and over again...same way
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Yes, I'm an Ikea cook, as Itje said. I'm only ever after a bare-bones ROM with whatever XIP\SYS improvements updates may provide.
I once published one of my "Ikea assembly" efforts for my earlier Eten X500, acknowledging the base was from PDAVIET, and was inundated with requests, complaints etc etc. So now I just use these Ikea efforts.
Question: does anyone know why official ROM updates seem never to use NETCF3.5 over v2.xx ?
V3.5 has been available for well over 18 months now

Positivity!

I have experienced growing tensions in this part of the forum for a while. People flaming each other here and there because of things that is best left ignored or easily solved. I'm not perfect but here's my way of thinking and I think this forum would thrive if all flamers would stick to it.
Be positive. Have a gentle mindset when it comes to reporting bugs/issues you might have. If someone tells you to search, try yourself, ask them for a search term or just explain what you searched for and how you could not find it. It someone asks you something, don't go hating on the person for asking a dumb question, you have the choice to either ignore or help. Flaming should not be an option. DO NOT FLAME AND USE DOWNGRADING WORDS, PLEASE.
Today, someone expressed their feelings about itje's Touch IT 9.0 ROM and this has led to Touch IT being a closed ROM only availible to those who is friends with itje or those who he chooses to take part of his release group. This could have easily been avoided if certain words hade not been put into use. Please, think for a second before posting you negative answers. It has effects on other cooks and forum members.
Thanks
/F

I am very new to this forum. This is only my second post. But i have been here for 1 month now and i agree with you.
I have been on many forums that has users who uses negative answers and forgive me if i sound little harsh to itje and all others who coock ROM's. But this is the internet. There will always be someone who don't like what you or me are doing.
Sure i would also be sad if too many say they don't like what i am doing but this would aspire me to do better.
If i could coock ROM's like you in this forum could then i would do so even if someone doesn't like it.
Sorry if someone doesn't like what i'm saying but i have been on many forums where people have left because someone doesn't like what they are doing.
And i don't understand that. I'm sorry but i don't.
That's all for me. Hope itje will release his ROM's to the public again becuase i like his work.

felixkry said:
Be positive. Have a gentle mindset when it comes to reporting bugs/issues you might have. If someone tells you to search, try yourself, ask them for a search term or just explain what you searched for and how you could not find it. It someone asks you something, don't go hating on the person for asking a dumb question, you have the choice to either ignore or help. Flaming should not me an option. DO NOT FLAME AND USE DOWNGRADING WORDS, PLEASE.
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just incase its difficult for someone to read

funny that! i have been saying this all along! look at my post in the old thread 'everyone is a cooking master these days'. now there is a thread that should never have been started but which highlighted they way things have gone on here! some people who have been on here longer than others for some reason class themselves as above others and feel they have the right to make assumptions about people by their posts!. some might have seen my post in the touch-it 9 thread re the sms issue that was plaguing latest rhodium manila. if ya look you will see fards response to me posting my issues in that thread! basically he assumed that he knew about who i was by that and told me that i needed to get married etc to understand how itje felt about people posting probs over and over again. now i got offended by that cause one he doesn't know me and 2 what gives him the right to address me like that! NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE has the right to disrespect anyone's opinion or choice to do what they want on here within the regs. i will not stand any **** from anyone who thinks they have the right to chat to me like they know me! i try roms in fact i try all the roms posted on here just to see how they work! i hooked up wid WC because he respects me and vice versa. this place is about sharing and helping others and unfortunately we must have been like that once - a noob! remember your 1st flash and somethign went wrong! how panicky you felt and ya just posted without searching as ya may have felt ya broke ya phone etc. we all do it and thats what make us human! i respect everyone and i have no bad vibes wid anyone........... WC I love ya man. took me on face value and showed me love!

shingers5 said:
funny that! i have been saying this all along! look at my post in the old thread 'everyone is a cooking master these days'. now there is a thread that should never have been started but which highlighted they way things have gone on here! some people who have been on here longer than others for some reason class themselves as above others and feel they have the right to make assumptions about people by their posts!. some might have seen my post in the touch-it 9 thread re the sms issue that was plaguing latest rhodium manila. if ya look you will see fards response to me posting my issues in that thread! basically he assumed that he knew about who i was by that and told me that i needed to get married etc to understand how itje felt about people posting probs over and over again. now i got offended by that cause one he doesn't know me and 2 what gives him the right to address me like that! NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE has the right to disrespect anyone's opinion or choice to do what they want on here within the regs. i will not stand any **** from anyone who thinks they have the right to chat to me like they know me! i try roms in fact i try all the roms posted on here just to see how they work! i hooked up wid WC because he respects me and vice versa. this place is about sharing and helping others and unfortunately we must have been like that once - a noob! remember your 1st flash and somethign went wrong! how panicky you felt and ya just posted without searching as ya may have felt ya broke ya phone etc. we all do it and thats what make us human! i respect everyone and i have no bad vibes wid anyone........... WC I love ya man. took me on face value and showed me love!
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You have the right as much as anyone to get angry, but this is not what this thread is about. I am, through this thread, asking everyone to reconsider the things they have written before they post it so that we can avoid leaving cookers, hurt feelings and sold devices. Simply a request.

felixkry said:
You have the right as much as anyone to get angry, but this is not what this thread is about. I am, through this thread, asking everyone to reconsider the things they have written before they post it so that we can avoid leaving cookers, hurt feelings and sold devices. Simply a request.
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misunderstood mate as always! i totally agree wid what you said and was listing an example of how i have experienced what ya chat about! never angry mate as words dont bother! just dont like assumptions being made about me by what i have posted! rememba i am cool, live cool and dont stress anything!
so you are suggesting that 'cooks' have sold devices because of what people post without thinking? come on man i assume we are all mature on here and have some form of tolerance level for the things we expect to get on here be it negative or positive! in life we have take the good and bad in everything and everyone! you need to know what to ignore and what ya take on board! it is all about choice mate everything in life is about that!

shingers5 said:
misunderstood mate as always! i totally agree wid what you said and was listing an example of how i have experienced what ya chat about! never angry mate as words dont bother! just dont like assumptions being made about me by what i have posted! rememba i am cool, live cool and dont stress anything!
so you are suggesting that 'cooks' have sold devices because of what people post without thinking? come on man i assume we are all mature on here and have some form of tolerance level for the things we expect to get on here be it negative or positive! in life we have take the good and bad in everything and everyone! you need to know what to ignore and what ya take on board! it is all about choice mate everything in life is about that!
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Exactly - choice. Many people choose to flame when the mature thing is to just help or ignore, or simply search or ask again nicely. I'm sorry I missunderstood you post as angry.
To further answer, what I suggest is that fards sold his X1 for a Touch HD, if it was because he was tired of the mood in this part of the forum or not I do not know. itje has chosen to not make his ROMs public and as a result of this I read that one person was planning on selling their X1. It all has a domino effect. If it is right of these persons to react like they do is debatable, but they are entitled to their own reaction. The thing is that I don't think that people are aware of the consequences of being rude.
That is why I started this thread - so that people can avoid to piss each other off and so that we can have a helpful and productive forum.

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Exactly - choice. Many people choose to flame when the mature thing is to just help or ignore, or simply search or ask again nicely. I'm sorry I missunderstood you post as angry.
To further answer, what I suggest is that fards sold his X1 for a Touch HD, if it was because he was tired of the mood in this part of the forum or not I do not know. itje has chosen to not make his ROMs public and as a result of this I read that one person was planning on selling their X1. It all has a domino effect. If it is right of these persons to react like they do is debatable, but they are entitled to their own reaction. The thing is that I don't think that people are aware of the consequences of being rude.
That is why I started this thread - so that people can avoid to piss each other off and so that we can have a helpful and productive forum.
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do you think that requesting donations has some part to play with the way people post? i think that no money is free and certain people donate and expect something in return! if they don't get that then they seem to get angry and it reflects in post! i am not saying that only people who donate do that in any way. i honestly think that donations should only go to the people who started this whole xda thing and keep it running! also the people who release the kitchens as they make rom building possible! i just feel that when you take from people even if its donated there is a certain amount of pressure and expectancy that comes with that! when it is not delivered the reaction can be severe thus the recent backlash in certain threads! only my opinion!
@ your response to my question - people change their phones all the time as i get bored wid phones so quickly thats why i got so many! 2 weeks max and i need something else to play with! so if i get em all then i can use a diff one everyday! i am sure the people who suggested that they may sell their phones or who already have done are mature enough to recognize that it was not this forum or anything said in it that caused that to happen! any way i'm out! said ma peice and thats that!

shingers5;3867296if ya look you will see fards response to me posting my issues in that thread! basically he assumed that he knew about who i was by that and told me that i needed to get married etc to understand how itje felt about people posting probs over and over again. now i got offended by that cause one he doesn't know me and 2 what gives him the right to address me like that! [/QUOTE said:
YET AGAIN YOU COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WROTE!
do we need to go over that all over again?
ah f*ck it I give up!
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What about to set some report thing that would make like a % warn except it would say % flamer and than people would wach their reputation?
Also you could click report flame/spam post and if enough people would think it is spam it would tag the user and make that post fade.... (like on thottbot http://thottbot.com/i13262 you can see the good comments are yelow and comments with rating lower than 5 arent even shown (but you can change the treshold)
Maybe a filter "do not show post from users marked flamers more than 30 times"
This is a developers forum; I'm sure there is some folks who can write a thing or two to make the forums better
Just throwing ideas here, because I belive people can't change based on one post (specialy the flamers and spammers don't), so why not a more direct approach...

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YET AGAIN YOU COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WROTE!
do we need to go over that all over again?
ah f*ck it I give up!
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stop being so damn melodramatic and no need to swear. bottom line is ya had no right to say it and instead of being a mature and apologize ya try to make it look like i am dragging it out! i find this hilarious all this!

Time and time again the same problems occur,
I've been on this forum for years.
and to be honest it is getting boring (this is meant in general and not aimed at anyone)
how much skill has this forum lost because of this *****iness.
im sorry, this has got to stop,
I Love the roms and support the likes of (but not limited to) ITJE and fards contribute to the forum, and respect the work that they do, as such i would never flame them, everyone should have this level f respect and in return the cooks and specialist should return the favor
this is why i have suggested in the past that cooks have read only release threads, this way, found faults, fixes updates etc can be kept together. a seperate thread can then be made to discuss faults.
I dunno just rambling now and adding no value, please ignore me

rosebud said:
Time and time again the same problems occur,
I've been on this forum for years.
and to be honest it is getting boring (this is meant in general and not aimed at anyone)
how much skill has this forum lost because of this *****iness.
im sorry, this has got to stop,
I Love the roms and support the likes of (but not limited to) ITJE and fards contribute to the forum, and respect the work that they do, as such i would never flame them, everyone should have this level f respect and in return the cooks and specialist should return the favor
this is why i have suggested in the past that cooks have read only release threads, this way, found faults, fixes updates etc can be kept together. a seperate thread can then be made to discuss faults.
I dunno just rambling now and adding no value, please ignore me
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I think that made perfectly good sense man Thanks for understanding what I meant with this thread.

I dont know, but flaming goes both ways in this forum or any other forum as a matter of fact.
a. A newbie comes in and asks a question, some chefs flip out and be like read the bloody first page or other works I did in a not so mild manner. True I believe that they should have read the instructions on the first page in highlighted color, but no need to come off as an asshat towards anyone.
b. a newbie flashes their rom to one of the customs, I believe that the guy who flashed their rom have no right to be like this is **** i lost some of my features. That is a serious slap in the face for the chef who put in their hard work to create this rom. Remember chefs are doing this for us for free, we are not obligated to flash ... we flash by our own accord and have to agree to some sort of disclaimer about device performance when flashed. So if you flash, and have some issues, take a look at the first page for their bugs, if not do an in thread search for the exact same problem that you are having, chances are you would find the solution.
c. This one is a classic ... someone asks a question, quickly some guys reply, do a damn search, stating comments that people are idiots or something to the sort ... basically flaming the question poster hard making it seems that the question poster wasted this amount of time or bandwidth on their part. I swear some flamers are extremely melodramatic, waiting for every chance to get off on someone and secretly high five someone in their society.

bottom line is guys, chill out take it easy. this here isnt a life or death situation, you wont die if you do a quick search on something, nor you wont die if you just help someone in a polite manner or maybe just ignore them.

ahhhhhh, the irony

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that's the problem. Imho this isn't anymore a developer forum. In the last 2 year as winmobile widely spreads up (because of carriers, mode, prettier devices and so on) this has become a 50% dev and 50% leech forum. 20% of leech are going to become future devs and want to "learn", the last 30% are only noobs who wants "free lunch" and pretend to be 100% assisted to make their device cooler. I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
we have to try to resist

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that's the problem. Imho this isn't anymore a developer forum. In the last 2 year as winmobile widely spreads up (because of carriers, mode, prettier devices and so on) this has become a 50% dev and 50% leech forum. 20% of leech are going to become future devs and want to "learn", the last 30% are only noobs who wants "free lunch" and pretend to be 100% assisted to make their device cooler. I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
we have to try to resist
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well said..or written

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I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
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Itje, I agreed. And this one is the quote of the today.

guap said:
. I often read "sorry but I can't read 50 pages of thread..." WHAT?!?!?!?! Someone has spent dozen of hours to cook a rom or develop a program and you deserves yourself the right to don't read?!?!!?
we have to try to resist
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so because someone writes this does it give anyone the right to disrespect them and talk down to them! what right has anyone on here got to talk down to anyone because of what they wrote! no one has the right end off! can you imagine your reaction if someone spoke to you in a similar fashion because of a stupid post! so called devs need to understand that because of the quality of work they produce they have amassed a following. that in its pure sense is a compliment to their work! learning to embrace whats pure and shun whats not is they key! in life there is good and bad in everything and people never remember you for the good you do in life. they only ever remember that one time ya slipped up, fuked up or didnt live up to expected standards! thats human nature and we all have done it at one time or another in our lives! ignoring the stupid posts, pm etc is the key! block dem of your messenger etc.

!!!!! Discussion and opinions Thread !!!!!

First of all I open this new thread so that the users who have need to discussion about everything they will; that they can do it in this thread!!!!!!
I'm a person who live in a free country so I don't have the intention to ask to stop giving your opinion; but I find that if you need to change your opinion you must also respect the creator from the thread you do it in!!
I don't find it courteous to do it in a thread from someone else!!
So have respect to the people who have open his thread to give something to us and don't fill it with your opinions and discussions, and let his thread clean!
I open this thread so we can discuss about everything you want!!
@ the moderators!!
Sorry that I opened this thread but I was sad to see in several thread more posts about discussions with opinions from a work!! If you are not agreement with me, you can this thread!
[Mod edit] Thread has been close by request of the OP.

Thank god
I'm starting to get bored with dinik vs the world that appears to be taking hostage of others peoples thread.
I'm not backing any sides I see both points of views but to hijack someone else's thread isn't fair on the originator.No doubt its still going to happen but at least they can now slag each other off in this thread opposed to stealing the limelight from others who decide to share in a public forum like this.
I'll shut up now and let the *****ing commence
Cheers kurt

I guess I will start it off with this then...
Happy Fathers day everyone!!!

wolfee said:
I guess I will start it off with this then...
Happy Fathers day everyone!!!
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lol!

hi,
i'm David and i have a problem!!!!
is not long time i'm addicted , but yes i'am ....

huggy_72 said:
hi,
i'm David and i have a problem!!!!
is not long time i'm addicted , but yes i'am ....
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trying to remove dink from my phone but even when i change it by JWD but it still show in my quick link ant suggestion

Sorry but I don't really see the need for this thread. The mature route would be to handle
disagreements via pm rather than publically flaming and humiliating them. I would rather see the moderators putting a stop to this behaviour and not allowing it to go on at all.

Pandemoniumone said:
Sorry but I don't really see the need for this thread. The mature route would be to handle
disagreements via pm rather than publically flaming and humiliating them. I would rather see the moderators putting a stop to this behaviour and not allowing it to go on at all.
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I agree, but a lot of people DO comment in the open, for different reasons. This may help to alleviate off-topic discussion in other threads, it may not.
This does not have to be a Flame war thread, opinions can be shared with civility.
EDIT: Happy Father's Day!

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trying to remove dink from my phone but even when i change it by JWD but it still show in my quick link ant suggestion
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no chance you can only destroy your phone, sorry

Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out...
I started skinning for myself, and for fun, but when everyone seemed to like my work, I was happy to share what I do with everyone on xda, as that is what this community is all about, sharing. Also i have posted some rules, as i wanted to stay the set high quality. And i think the rules where fair for all.
However, since the success of Anastasia, I feel things are getting out of hand.. I didn't mind when people used some of my work, it made me feel proud and so I kept devleloping Anastasia for both me and xda... However the reason I teamed up with Miri in making the rom was because I thought people would like all my work in one easy to get to place, and it gave Miri's rom a nice, INDIVIDUAL theme.
HOWEVER, now DJC has suggested people rip my rom's files to put my work onto other roms, I am quite angry as I have specifically said that the files are exclusive.
But people went against my will and took my work, when I said not to do, and so I understandably got annoyed, however it seems I have become everyones enemy, when all I set out to do was have fun skinning different aspects of my phone....spending countless hours to give you all something unique and nice for FREE.
I don't see what is wrong with my decision? I provided a fair amount of cabs to skin alot of the phone on my thread that can be found [Here] and then said that any extra bits are exclusively for my rom, What is wrong with that? If there was nothing exclusive, then all the rom's would be the same, and Rom flashing could get boring for some people...
So here is what I have decided...
I will continue to do my work, as long as it doesn't start any more arguments, and I shall follow the rules I set out already. If anyone breaks them, or if another argument starts again, I will very likely stop skinning on xda all together, as it is starting to feel like more of a chore than a hobby...
So please, do not release my work, or any modification of my work, anywhere, You are free to modify what I do for personal use, but just don't release it. Also please dont re-upload my work anywhere else, please always just provide a link to where you originally found it on my thread, this way I can keep a better track of how many people download it.
Ah and btw...i decided not to post any cabs only because of some users hear...that again only anger abot me and my works...and ignored my wishes by copying my works without asking for permission...and without puting any credits! So now that people are forcing me again to do a next decision that i dont want (quit posting everything).

@Dinik, I can respect your position. I just find that it is one that is not commonly taken here.
Of course, you are entitled to credit and respect, you have earned it many times over. I certainly have a high respect for your abilities.
But, to be honest seems wierd to have to avoid the use of certain elements because of exclusivity. We hack, slash, and decompile stuff as a rule of thumb around here.
Don't take this the wrong way, I will follow your rules. I would just like to try to convince you that exclusivity is not the way to go.
You have had issues with only a very small percentage of your users. No need to be upset and punish everyone. No one wants to see you fail.

dinik said:
Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out......message truncated
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with you my friend...this is unfair!!

dinik said:
Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out.....message truncated..
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i am with you

Just so you all know that this thread has been reported and is being watched.
Have a wonderful day (Fathers Day for all those that it applies to).

Justice for Dinik
vgunmanga said:
@Dinik, I can respect your position. I just find that it is one that is not commonly taken here.
Of course, you are entitled to credit and respect, you have earned it many times over. I certainly have a high respect for your abilities.
But, to be honest seems wierd to have to avoid the use of certain elements because of exclusivity. We hack, slash, and decompile stuff as a rule of thumb around here.
Don't take this the wrong way, I will follow your rules. I would just like to try to convince you that exclusivity is not the way to go.
You have had issues with only a very small percentage of your users. No need to be upset and punish everyone. No one wants to see you fail.
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exclusivity should be there for certain elements for certain period ,so that the originator gets due credit for his hard work in this community.
No one should just hijack someone else hard earned work without permission.
Really unfair.
Hope Dinik gets Justice and due credits for his hard work soon.

quinckekorotkoffqk said:
exclusivity should be there for cetain elements for certain period ,so that the originator gets due credit for his hard work in this community.
Really unfair.Hope Dinik gets Justice and due credits for his hard work soon.
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I can totally dig it if there is a exclusivity period. I have not heard a time frame discussed. I've only read that cabs will be no longer distributed and only HD2 owners on one ROM will get to use the theme.
I can handle that, but not without at least asking first. Call me a fan.

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I can totally dig it if there is a exclusivity period. I have not heard a time frame discussed. I've only read that cabs will be no longer distributed and only HD2 owners on one ROM will get to use the theme.
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i have posted i already somewhere...but again...
Originally it was planed to be 1st exclusive for rom and after some period of time...i wanted to post cabs.
But then it came to this:
i decided not to post any cabs only because of some users hear...that again only anger abot me and my works...and ignored my wishes by copying my works without asking for permission...and without puting any credits! So now that people are forcing me again to do a next decision that i dont want (quit posting everything).
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dinik said:
i have posted i already somewhere...but again...
Originally it was planed to be 1st exclusive for rom and after some period of time...i wanted to post cabs.
But then it came to this:
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Cheers, missed that post. I only hope time will change your mind. Peace.

dinik said:
Ok, I'm sick of all this arguing and anger that is being caused on xda over my work, lets sort it out...message truncated...
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yes i have help another user and have say if he wants your files he can find them in miri's rom and he must extract them for personal use to not break the rules,your own rules(before your addition) to avoid discussion like this but you can't resist,you must have this child reaction like you have them all the time.
its clear we all know your rules today....
your crying all the time for respect but you never had respect for anyone here until you have a win situation...is this in first place not disrespect to others?
and no im not jalous but i think on all the other skinners here,with your rules and requests applyed today for each skinner then in each rom threads there will be more rules,names,donate buttons as info about the creation,i think all posts must be changed here and in the roms thread.
now you don't have made the new rule 12 that you use so much but im thinking if this rule is not made to avoid your problem that you have create here in the biginning.is this a good idea, yes but it does not and will not give you more right, that would be wrong for others.
I also think you should listen instead of always getting mad you do not even leave you time to think so that you act quickly!
so i ask you to calm down and on moderators to think about it and enforce the rules but all the same.this must stop because where is fun today on xda?
the truth is that I have never seen such situations before!
Thanks

i dont get what you wanna say djc...if you read my post once again...you gonna see that i dont want much...but give much back.
the truth is...
we artists spend time...effort...and put even love in developing our projects...for free...just to share
we deserve some rights for our projects...files...images...or what ever
but lately...i have been attacked...by some people...and they wher forcing me to go their way...or else they just didnt stopped to attack me and what im doing
i dont think that its fair...to get such responses for hard work.
its nothing wrong...if i as developer wish some small and fair rules...no rules doesent means that its the best way.
i know 90% of users like what i do...and have no problems with me and my rules...but this few people...just dont stop to anger me.
there is one ultimate rule over all others.
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE DEVELOPER OR HIS RULES OR HIS CONCEPT.
JUST DONT USE HIS WORKS. STOP SUPPORT HIM.
but this few people dont want to do that...why? because they love my work...and they use it all the time...so why do they anger me...dont know...jealous...or they want copy me to get also good responses...i dont know that.
i just wished that the moderators would more react on such post...because i didnt do nothing bad...to no one!
btw...my icon set was downloaded over 15 000x times...that tells how many people are ok with me and what im doing...and how many are screaming against me...5 or 10?