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Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

Courtesy of Engadget:
Apple's filed suit against HTC, alleging that the company is infringing 20 patents "related to the iPhone's user interface, underlying architecture, and hardware."
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
I don't get how a company that was putting out touchscreen smartphones years before Apple could be "infringing"... unless it's something to do with the accelerometer and multi-touch in more recent phones like the HD2 (which kicks the iPhone's butt)
Ugh

ROFL. Apple has built on others principles for years. Apple looks more and more hypocritical every single day.

i am sure HTC has 100's of patents they can counter-sue apple with.. it will all get settled with patent exchange and life on earth will go on..

Double thread.

Apple is stuck on stupid..Must read

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-sue-htc-over-iphone-patent-infringement-0276357/
Click the link to read the entire story. Seems to me Apple is afraid of competition. They have been losing business to HTC for some time. "Pinch zoom" as they say, is a copyright infringement of Apple inc. ...hmmm, ya know on my new Toshiba laptop I can pinch my mousepad to scroll in and out of webpages, pictures, etc. Gonna sue Toshiba corp for simply improving of a great application Apple? Maybe if yall at Apple inc stopped thinkin ur the leader of innovation and I know u ppl r checking out other sites to see what great new inventions r being brought forth and not stealing, as u say, yet "improving" on the "concept". Improving on the concept \ stealing an inventors great idea. Whats the difference Apple? Its the same idea just produced in different ways. Can McDonalds sue another fast food company for having a chicken sandwich? NO! Its made in different ways with a few different ingredients to be personally a part of that company. Know the difference Apple. Buy a clue, I heard they have them on sale, "blue light special", lmao.

Don't forget the patent on sliding an image to unlock the phone. That cost them years of research and now everyone is just using their invention.

Just another thing that annoys me about Apple sometimes.
Just the the Internet Explorer integration into Windows. Microsoft get slagged left right and center for inegrating it into the Windows system, sayign it isnt fair on third parties...no one says anything to Apple about Safari...

MalekoUK said:
Just another thing that annoys me about Apple sometimes.
Just the the Internet Explorer integration into Windows. Microsoft get slagged left right and center for inegrating it into the Windows system, sayign it isnt fair on third parties...no one says anything to Apple about Safari...
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That's because Apple does not have a de facto monopoly on operating systems. Microsoft gets into trouble because it has. Competition laws generally state that, while having a monopoly is not a problem per se, it is not legal to use a monopoly in one market area to gain an advantage in another one. Thus, for example, it is not permitted for Microsoft to take advantage of its Operating System monopoly to gain an advantage in the web browser market. If Apple ever did control the same percentage of the desktop PC operating system market that Windows currently controls, they certainly would get into trouble for forcing Safari on their users in exactly the same way.
As for the current patent dispute, there is not the slightest doubt that Apple does have a patent on some of these technologies, and that other devices are in violation of those patents. Slide-to-unlock is one obvious example; another is the use of a proximity sensor to to switch off a phone's touch-screen when the phone is next to your ear. Now you could, perhaps, argue that the patents shouldn't have been granted in the first place, and that is presumably what HTC's lawyers will do - if they can demonstrate that the patented technology was actually in use elsewhere before Apple filed for the patent, then the patent will be overturned; but at first glance it looks as though Apple actually has quite a strong case (especially when you bear in mind that some of these patents were granted as much as 15 years ago).

Yeah, patents are a funny (and sometimes ridiculous) thing...

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Apple maintains they hold the intellectual rights to much of the multitouch gesture technology we’ve grown used to seeing included in modern smartphones, such as pinch-zoom.
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They have not.
People always get this wrong. I hate those moronic bloggers. Idiots.
Apple has no patent on multitouch gestures.
I advise you to have a look at what Apple really claims HTC is infringing.

Update
Update:
Full list of supposedly infringed patents (of which there seem to be 10, not the 20 Apple suggest in their press release) from Gizmodo:
The ‘331 Patent, entitled “Time-Based, Non-Constant Translation Of User Interface Objects Between States,” was duly and legally issued on April 22, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office.
The ‘949 Patent, entitled “Touch Screen Device, Method, And Graphical User Interface For Determining Commands By Applying Heuristics,” was duly and legally issued on January 20, 2009 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘949 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit B.
The ‘849 Patent, entitled “Unlocking A Device By Performing Gestures On An Unlock Image,” was duly and legally issued on February 2, 2010 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘849 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit C.
The ‘381 Patent, entitled “List Scrolling And Document Translation, Scaling, And Rotation On A Touch-Screen Display,” was duly and legally issued on December 23, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘381 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit D.
The ‘726 Patent, entitled “System And Method For Managing Power Conditions Within A Digital Camera Device,” was duly and legally issued on July 6, 1999 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘726 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit E.
The ‘076 Patent, entitled “Automated Response To And Sensing Of User Activity In Portable Devices,” was duly and legally issued on December 15, 2009 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘076 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit F.
The ‘105 Patent, entitled “GMSK Signal Processors For Improved Communications Capacity And Quality,” was duly and legally issued on December 8, 1998 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘105 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit G.
The ‘453 Patent, entitled “Conserving Power By Reducing Voltage Supplied To An Instruction-Processing Portion Of A Processor,” was duly and legally issued on June 3, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘453 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit H.
The ‘599 Patent, entitled “Object-Oriented Graphic System,” was duly and legally issued on October 3, 1995 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘599 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit I.
The ‘354 Patent, entitled “Object-Oriented Event Notification System With Listener Registration Of Both Interests And Methods,” was duly and legally issued on July 23, 2002 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘354 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit J.
Update: According to Engadget Apple have submitted over 700 pages of exhibits to support their case; HTC may have only just found out about this, but it looks like Cupertino’s legal team have been working on it for some time. They also list the named devices in the case:
Nexus One, Touch Pro, Touch Diamond, Touch Pro2, Tilt II, Pure, Imagio, Dream / G1, myTouch 3G, Hero, HD2, and Droid Eris
Apparently while both Android and Windows Mobile devices are fingered, the former are flagged up for running Android while the latter only get a mention thanks to the DSP chips they incorporate.

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@ceoSteveJobs: Seriously? http://bit.ly/ciXSrd McDonalds can't sue BurgerKing because they also have a Chicken Sandwich... Be a man
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So do we all agree APPLE sucks

Of course, always have. They're too "fruity".
Pun definitely intended...

My god shouldn't HTC have the patent for the original smartphone lying around somewhere they can come back at apple with? Funny though, the newest kid on the block claiming everyone stole their tech before they even made phones.

HTC Phones Banned in the USA?

As if HTC doesn't have enough to deal with concerning Carrier IQ and the boot unlocker, now a pending court ruling in favor of Apple could stop importation of HTC phones into the U.S. Basically, Apple's complaint is that the Android operating system "borrows" from Apple patents.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...nned-from-the-u.s.-faq/?tag=mncol;mlt_related
The article doesn't address the possibility of HTC developing its own operating system (long rumored and mentioned in this forum in the past day or so), but the proposal makes sense (no pun intended) in light of the possible legal ruling.

Htc has been around longer than apple in the phone business and holds plenty patents that apple can't touch. Apple still has Carrier IQ installed on some of their devices even though they claim they are not using their services. Android is open source and does not infringe on apples OS. Let them cry all they want, they couldn't even touch Samsung.
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Ok it is a simple fact that Apple is Very Very sue happy right now (Started when Jobs was Diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer as far as I have noticed). I mean hell they just got done trying to bury Samsung because "Apple sues Samsung again for copying the iPhone's design, this time in South Korea" etc. Apple came out with a statement after Loosing saying well Samsung could go around our patents by just making their phones look different and making them have a more cluttered UI. The general idea here is that rather than dealing with the changing markets Apple wants to have the market cornered and have No competition so they can charge an insane amount of money for their devices, at least that is how it looks to me with all their stupid lawsuits they have going on right now. Next they will start suing TV Companies and Cable Box Manufacturers because the Cable Boxes look too much like the Apple TV boxes. I mean really Apple needs to come to grips and just Deal with it.

ITC Bans Import of HTC Android

The International Trade Commission (ITC) on Monday ruled in favor of Apple in its patent battle against HTC, ordering an import ban on certain HTC devices starting April 19, 2012.
HTC will be allowed to import refurbished devices with the infringing patent until Dec. 19, 2013 for replacement purposes, but the company cannot refer to new devices as refurbished, the ITC said in its ruling.
HTC and Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
As patent blogger Florian Mueller explained in a blog post, the ban applies to Android-based devices that including a "data tapping patent." One example of this technology is a phone number within an email that you can tap to bring up the phone dialer and place a call automatically.
"If Google can implement this popular feature, which users of modern-day smartphones really expect, without infringing on the two patent claims found infringed, this import ban won't have any effect whatsoever," Mueller wrote. "Otherwise HTC will have to remove this feature, which would put HTC at a competitive disadvantage as compared to other smartphone makers, including other Android device makers."
In July, an ITC judge found that HTC infringed on two of 10 Apple patents. HTC and Apple both requested reviews in that decision, prolonging the process.
"Apple would have preferred for the Commission to adopt the [administrative law judge's] recommendation, but in the event that a review would take place (as it did), Apple also wanted to raise some questions of its own and asked for another look at the two patents the ALJ did not deem infringed," Mueller wrote today. "But as I expected, the review focused on the two patents the ALJ deemed infringed."
Mueller noted that the ITC found that HTC does not infringe on a "much broader and potentially more impactful patent on realtime signal processing." That, he said, "could have had much more impact on HTC and, more generally, Android than the data tapping patent."
Nonetheless, the ITC ruling is "progress" for Apple, Mueller said. If Cupertino can challenge handset makers on other data-tapping-esque patents, it could "really have competitive impact with its many litigations targeting Android," Mueller concluded.
In addition to the ITC, Apple and HTC are also battling over patents in several courts throughout the world.
Today's decision was twice-delayed. The D.C-based ITC was first scheduled to rule on Dec. 6, but that got pushed to Dec 14 and then today.
Earlier this month, PCMag mobile analyst Sascha Segan suggested that an Apple win is also a victory for Microsoft. For more, see An HTC Android Ban is Microsoft's Dream.
Today's ruling comes several weeks after the ITC ruled that Apple's products don't infringe on patents held by S3 Graphics, a company in the process of being acquired by HTC.
For more from Chloe, follow her on Twitter @ChloeAlbanesius.

zombie.raised said:
The International Trade Commission (ITC) on Monday ruled in favor of Apple in its patent battle against HTC, ordering an import ban on certain HTC devices starting April 19, 2012.
HTC will be allowed to import refurbished devices with the infringing patent until Dec. 19, 2013 for replacement purposes, but the company cannot refer to new devices as refurbished, the ITC said in its ruling.
HTC and Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
As patent blogger Florian Mueller explained in a blog post, the ban applies to Android-based devices that including a "data tapping patent." One example of this technology is a phone number within an email that you can tap to bring up the phone dialer and place a call automatically.
"If Google can implement this popular feature, which users of modern-day smartphones really expect, without infringing on the two patent claims found infringed, this import ban won't have any effect whatsoever," Mueller wrote. "Otherwise HTC will have to remove this feature, which would put HTC at a competitive disadvantage as compared to other smartphone makers, including other Android device makers."
In July, an ITC judge found that HTC infringed on two of 10 Apple patents. HTC and Apple both requested reviews in that decision, prolonging the process.
"Apple would have preferred for the Commission to adopt the [administrative law judge's] recommendation, but in the event that a review would take place (as it did), Apple also wanted to raise some questions of its own and asked for another look at the two patents the ALJ did not deem infringed," Mueller wrote today. "But as I expected, the review focused on the two patents the ALJ deemed infringed."
Mueller noted that the ITC found that HTC does not infringe on a "much broader and potentially more impactful patent on realtime signal processing." That, he said, "could have had much more impact on HTC and, more generally, Android than the data tapping patent."
Nonetheless, the ITC ruling is "progress" for Apple, Mueller said. If Cupertino can challenge handset makers on other data-tapping-esque patents, it could "really have competitive impact with its many litigations targeting Android," Mueller concluded.
In addition to the ITC, Apple and HTC are also battling over patents in several courts throughout the world.
Today's decision was twice-delayed. The D.C-based ITC was first scheduled to rule on Dec. 6, but that got pushed to Dec 14 and then today.
Earlier this month, PCMag mobile analyst Sascha Segan suggested that an Apple win is also a victory for Microsoft. For more, see An HTC Android Ban is Microsoft's Dream.
Today's ruling comes several weeks after the ITC ruled that Apple's products don't infringe on patents held by S3 Graphics, a company in the process of being acquired by HTC.
For more from Chloe, follow her on Twitter @ChloeAlbanesius.
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That might be enough to get me to import my future phones from here on out.
Or leave the USA.
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Hate apple
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I got my EVO 3D from rogers Canada and works perfectly on att. Have my vivid on the backburner til it gets unlocked.
I have no objections to going overseas to get the phones I want
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Well, that's Apple for you. Make a few innovations, and then sue everyone that makes it better than you.
And I used to be an iPhone guy, but their products are stale and boring now, and without Steve Jobs they're lost. God forbid they try to think up something ACTUALLY NEW again.

This particular patent sounds some what easy to work around, or its not a big deal if HTC drop this feature from the mail client.
I am not sure if they would go after if HTC made this as APP , I am sure touchdown and many other apps also violate this.I think the best option here would be to open source HTC sense code.
It would great for xda dev and HTC too....

HTC Planning Work-Around
In this post on ZDNet, HTC indicates they are planning a work-around. That makes me think that this will drive efforts to get an upgrade out soon(er). The question is whether it will be separate or include ICS. The trick will be to get AT&T to get their act together and deploy it in a timely manner
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sour...ndroid-phones-sales-for-now/10032?tag=nl.e539

In Canada Bell kind of leaked the information that Raider (VIVID) will get ICS in 1st week of March 2012. Its quite possible to see a Beta version leak in early 2012.
its good to see the service provider pushing for for an update with a schedule, At least will Bell Canada it was never this way before.

Apple has been defeated in a court case against Samsung in the UK

Samsung had requested this voluntary trial in September 2011, in order to oppose Apple’s ongoing efforts to reduce consumer choice and innovation in the tablet market through their excessive legal claims and arguments. Apple has insisted that the three Samsung tablet products infringe several features of Apple’s design right, such as 'slightly rounded corners,' 'a flat transparent surface without any ornamentation,' and 'a thin profile.'
"However, the High Court dismissed Apple’s arguments by referring to approximately 50 examples of prior art, or designs that were previously created or patented, from before 2004. These include the Knight Ridder (1994), the Ozolin (2004), and HP’s TC1000 (2003). The court found numerous Apple design features to lack originality, and numerous identical design features to have been visible in a wide range of earlier tablet designs from before 2004."
[Source]
www.androidcentral.com/british-high...nizable-differences-between-ipad-and-galaxy-t
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That's good. All this patent trolling is getting ridiculous, and it ain't just Apple either.
But the details there, it just goes to show how vague they can make these claims. There really needs to be some kind of reform of patent laws, particularly in this part of the industry which is only just finding its feet. Everybody seems to want to exclusively own this new big thing. Sure the iPad was the first system to take the tablet idea, merge it with a smartphone OS and capacitive touch screen etc. and use it in such a way but it most definitely wasn't the first attempt at a tablet/slate computer.
This really isn't what Steve Jobs would have wanted at all. He always celebrated his competitors and the drive they gave his company to do better. If people just crushed any competitors which came up in their industry, power users would still be using BlackBerry phones...

I'm glad there is a court that sees through Apples BS.
I know trade dress is easier to defeat then bs patents but it is a nice start

I hope that this time Apple won't ask for Samsungs technology one month later...

http://www.lockergnome.com/news/2012/07/10/corporations-into-causes/
Either way, patent disputes have been going on for as long as patent law has existed. Corporations buy companies explicitly for the patents they posses, because patents are the new product. If you develop a new way of overcoming a technological hurdle, you’re almost guaranteed a buyout these days if you have the foresight to patent your idea. The rights to that idea are far more valuable than the products themselves (for some reason) thanks to the way the current patent system exists.
Apple has been called out for achieving an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus. This isn’t the first time Apple has taken legal action to protect its patents, and the reasoning behind these actions can be a much deeper rabbit hole than it might appear on the surface.
For starters, if you don’t defend your patent in one case, you may lose any legal grounds you have to defend it in another. It’s not like other companies aren’t suing to protect their own properties. Apple just happens to be the one that received an injunction.
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Pretty interesting article.
I can't see how they managed to get the injunction though. I could understand with the Galaxy S1 or the Galaxy Ace (they pretty much copied the whole design there), or even the Tab 10.1, but the Nexus barely even resembles an iPhone. But this is why Google bought Motorola - did anybody think Motorola had anything going for them, really? They just own a tonne of patents Google want. Sammy have been constantly trying to sue Apple at the same time, this has been going on for ages, just for some stupid reason they got an injunction here.