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Hi All,
I saw a post some time ago that seemed to indicate that hardware was actually in the TyTN II for the FM Radio and they were going to look into how to make this available.
Has there been an update I have missed? Is this possible?
Any pointers would be great, it's the one bit of functionality I wish they had included to make it the perfect device for me
Paul
I'd be very interested in this too ...
Here in the UK o2 are advertising the Tytn II rebadged to the o2 stellar with an FM radio so the hardware must be in there. i'd be very interested as well
Me aswell.
Would it be a case of running the FM app from the O2 phone, if anyone can send it I will try it
Paul
From Softpedia:
"The 3-megapixel camera is pretty impressive and its capture quality is better than in many other smartphones, which scores another advantage for O2's device. The phone brings entertainment through an MP3 player and FM radio, making it a handset capable of providing both fun and business solutions. Still, this is a new feature for the device, hopefully not another mistype from O2, as they have done a rather sloppy job with this announcement."
The link: http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-Kaiser-Coming-at-O2-as-Xda-Stellar-71434.shtml
So... what is the truth?!?!?
Sorry to point this out, but usually it is hardware!
and if you look at the ad from O2 it doesn't say "FM radio". it only says MP3 player and radio.
there are already radio streaming apps out there, like resco radio
I think it was msmobile blog making the error...
This happens with every new WM device...
A lot of websites and even the Network marketing people dont know what they are talking about. Imagine being the product manager and not making sure that the copywriters don't just create imaginary stuff for your devices...
Then again the O2 Marketing Manager allowed ads to go out calling it Stella for about a month...
It's obviously a hardware feature as the OP says, it's just a question of whether the hardware might already be in there, to be enabled at some future point (perhaps by the O2 firmware). There are precedents for this, such as the GPS that exists (but is not supported) in the S730.
I'd be surprised if the hardware in the Kaiser was significantly different to that in the virtually identical-specced Touch Cruise, which is essentially just a Kaiser without the keyboard - except of course the Cruise has FM radio...
It could well be it's more expensive to leave out than it is to put in, but for marketing reasons it's only enabled in selected models (based on the same platform). This is all conjecture though...
if i remember correctly, the post ended because they discovered that the GPS radio worked and broadcasted differently than the FM radio so that it was not possible.
Edit: Here's the exact post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338238
The hardware most certainly is NOT in the Kaiser or TytnII. But if you're interested in true broadcast television or fm radio, you can check this out: http://www.eopstech.com/eops/pro3.jsp
GSLEON3 said:
The hardware most certainly is NOT in the Kaiser or TytnII. But if you're interested in true broadcast television or fm radio, you can check this out: http://www.eopstech.com/eops/pro3.jsp
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how can you be so certai?
The O2 website now says (http://shop.o2.co.uk/ComingSoon):
The new O2 Xda Stellar is a touch screen Xda with a slim, stylish design. As well as the on-board GPS, Windows Mobile 6 (supporting Microsoft Direct Push Email) and Wi-Fi, it is Quad Band, 3G and has a 3 mega-pixel camera and MP3 player
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No mention of any radio now ...
Hi can someone extract the rom from the HTC Cruise. I would like to look at the fm radio app...
jaygriggs said:
how can you be so certai?
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If you follow the link I posted at the bottom of the first page of this post, one of the posters there said that there's no fm radio components mentioned on the schematics of the chipset in the phone.
has it happened yet?
CorruptedSanity said:
has it happened yet?
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Have you read the post above you? There is no radio hardware.
I'm stuggling to get my CL850 Bluetooth Laser Projection Keyboard working with my HD2.
I had it working fine with my HD with the manufacturers WM6.0 Drivers but I'm getting a "security database" error on my HD2?
I'm hoping that it may just be a BT Stack issue and that a new (or different) Radio Version may solve the problem.
I'm still on Rom 1.48 with Radio 2.06.51.07 - I've had so much added to my ROM I haven't had the time to upgrade it as yet
Has anyone had any success with other Rom or Radio versions?
Thanks in advance....
PS. There's a similar posting (not mine) in the HD2 General Forum but I thought it sits better here as its an accessory.....
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Just bumping this in the hope that someone can help???
I've upgraded to ROM 1.66.405.2 with Radio 2.06.51.07 but still not having any success??? Anyone got any ideas?
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You are a moneybag no one have such keyboard
too expensive for us (ordinary people)
wait until price will drop about 70% down
then more people can buy it, it means more people can have problems with it an more people will be involved to solve those problems.
but now it's a nonsense to get it for the price about half of HTC HD2
I'm having the same problem as well. I have tried quite a few methods with limited success. Its a shame really, the keyboard is really nice to use and would be perfect for Office Mobile on the move!
but now it's a nonsense to get it for the price about half of HTC HD2
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i bought my keyboard new for £95 last month, cheapest i can find HD2 in UK is £460
I reckon Celluon have gone under though, lots of people complaining that there is no support contact for quite some time now
arcades said:
You are a moneybag no one have such keyboard
too expensive for us (ordinary people)
wait until price will drop about 70% down
then more people can buy it, it means more people can have problems with it an more people will be involved to solve those problems.
but now it's a nonsense to get it for the price about half of HTC HD2
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???? You've made me smile - a lot..... I've had the CL850 for over a year.... Maybe I had more money a year ago??? Didn't we all....?????
Thank you though for your Very (VERY) useful comments.... Its always good to see members supporting each other
Back on topic though. There are a lot of Bluetooth devices that do not appear to be working properly with the current HD2 Stack? I'm hoping HTC will take note and address in later Radio versions?
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I just explained why you shouldn't wonder that no one replies.
Simply very few people have this keyboard.
arcades said:
I just explained why you shouldn't wonder that no one replies.
Simply very few people have this keyboard.
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OK - So the first time in response to you post I'm smiling and showing some patience - now I'm really wondering WHY you have replied? Do YOU have this keyboard? Are YOU having problems with the current BT Stack on the HD2 with other devices? Do YOU have something useful to share with us? Mmmmm..... I wonder?
If you can offer some useful guidance then I would be most grateful?
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Bluinput
I got one of these for £44 on Ebay Basically as a space saver if I wanted to use my HD2 as a document editor on a train/plane (will need a kick stand battery for this though)
There is a definate problem with BT on the HD2 in trying to get this to interface. Works OK on my XDA Orbit2 though.
I'm waiting to see if BlueInput will address the issue when it is released. Currently this is in Beta testing at the moment.
Given that micro-projectors are starting to be put into phones, how long will it be before we see laser projection interfaces built into a phone?
sooooo
anything? lets hear some good news. i love my celluon
no support for 6.5
I have the same problem. There is no solution because there is no support for windows mobile 6.5. Look at www.celluon.com and write an email with a request for a new driver/firmware for windows mobile 6.5 like I did and then wait....
Have you tried the WM6.1 driver?
I think i had it working on my Kaiser.
I havent tried the driver on my HD2 yet!
I have bought a second-hand of this , but no where I can find bluetooth software for it , so I can only use it throught USB, could anybody have this keyboard kindly share a copy of the shipped CD ? or point me to some place to download ? thank in advance. My email is [email protected]
I wanted to know if anyone was successful or tried porting the htc fm radio from the htc aria or evo and have it working for the mytouch silde?
I would love to have a radio.... but does the slide even have the hardware for it?
The Slide should be able to use it, but we need someone that knows about this to figure it out. Like they did to the Cliq.
Yea i hope someone can port this and mobi tv so i can use it on my slide
It's certainly possible, but it requires kernel support. You could readily download the apk and libraries and push them to the slide, but it still probably wouldn't work [edit: just did that and it didn't]. The ROM chefs for the CLIQ learned to compile their kernels with support for the fmradio in order to get everything working, but it took a lot of trial and error on their part.
This would be awesome
I was under the impression that this was hardware-based, meaning specific hardware would have to be present on the device in order to tune to those frequencies...?
You're correct. It is hardware-based. Thing is, many Android phones use the same radio chip, which is an all-in-one deal, capable of data, bluetooth, and fm radio, if I've read correctly. For those that have this particular chip, it's just a matter of kernel support, libraries, and the app to access it.
Eugene got it working for the Motorola CLIQ. I would imagine that, if it were possible for the Slide, we would have heard something by now.
Some of you who owns slide should try to figured it out which chip is it used for bluetooth. If ti is chip from texas instruments, called TI WL1271 or TI WL1273, then drivers and aplication could probalbi be ported from HTC Legend rom, which is using TI WL1273, cause this chip is capable of receiving and maybe even transmitting FM radio.
EDIT: So nobody knows the answer?? I've already asked this on two different forums in three different threads
Wow, I would love to have it transmitting. My friend used to have a Nokia phone that had that feature, its really cool.
If you look at /system/etc/firmware you can see a wl1271.bin Also a Firmware
for the wl1271. take attention on http://www.lsr.com/downloads/tiwi/datasheet/TIWI_Datasheet.pdf, the chip has fm-radio...
If the pins are connected, it should be possible...
reagards
That is good news! Anyone know how to make the magic happen?
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App
bryancruise said:
That is good news! Anyone know how to make the magic happen?
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App
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I only did a quick readover since im headed to bed, but if no code really needs to be messed with and just connect some pins to make this possible then i'll look into it since electronics is more my thing than software
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App
Well since stock rom from slide is also using htc's framework I think it is very possible for you to port drivers and aplication to slide. But what woudl be even greater if someone would manage to port FM radio into cyanogenmod. Once it would be ported on one device with this chip, then it could be used on every other device with same chip. Here is the discussion about porting it on Legend in cyanogenmod, but now one has step up to the challange. youn can learn here what needs to be done. Good luck to anybody who will try!
The slide doesn't have the hardware for it, I already tried
Hi everybody,
I like the FM and TV apps. They replace two rather clunky devices. I also like ROMs like PAC, AOKP and CM. None of which have the former.
Is there a (preferably free) way to get TV and FM on AOSP roms? Or is there something like closed source drivers preventing this?
I tried Spirit FM, it didn't work.
Thanks,
sauprankul
I don't think the FM radio app works on aosp. I do know that tunein radio works. Its an FM radio but runs through the network connection. Its not exactly what you were looking for but it may help.
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I don't think the FM radio app works on aosp. I do know that tunein radio works. Its an FM radio but runs through the network connection. Its not exactly what you were looking for but it may help.
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I know that the app doesn't work, but I was hoping for a mod or app that would replace it.
Tunein isn't as clear and Sprint doesn't have very good coverage around here (yet, they say).
Oh well.
Might work for FM radio http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13379669
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for the tv i think peel should work
Outside of Asia and a prototype or 2, there are no "over the air" TV chips in Android devices, AFAICT.
A few people have reported my FM app works OK on HTC One. And at least one said it didn't work. AFAIK, my app Spirit is the only non stock app that will work (for "real" over the air FM), and I've heard no indication that will change anytime soon.
The Sprint HTC One has a stock FM app, right ?
I will likely buy and officially support the HTC One within a few months.
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Outside of Asia and a prototype or 2, there are no "over the air" TV chips in Android devices, AFAICT.
A few people have reported my FM app works OK on HTC One. And at least one said it didn't work. AFAIK, my app Spirit is the only non stock app that will work (for "real" over the air FM), and I've heard no indication that will change anytime soon.
The Sprint HTC One has a stock FM app, right ?
I will likely buy and officially support the HTC One within a few months.
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I don't think the OP was referring to an "over-the-air" TV app, but rather the TV app on stock HTC ONEs that basically turn your phone into a remote.
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I don't think the OP was referring to an "over-the-air" TV app, but rather the TV app on stock HTC ONEs that basically turn your phone into a remote.
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OP can clarify but when he says "...way to get TV..." it certainly sounds like he's asking for an OTA TV type app.
For TV etc. remote control, there ARE several apps on Play, and I think at least one of them works with the HTC One specific IR blaster hardware.
Oops, my bad.
I meant the app named TV, which allows me to use the IR blaster. I looked it up on the play store, only got apps that used network, links?
And I thought I had posted this a while back, but I get no audio from Spirit FM. (I'll try it again?) EDIT: Yeah, no audio... Am I supposed to let it scan networks or wait for it to tune or something?
mikereidis said:
OP can clarify but when he says "...way to get TV..." it certainly sounds like he's asking for an OTA TV type app.
For TV etc. remote control, there ARE several apps on Play, and I think at least one of them works with the HTC One specific IR blaster hardware.
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I don't think the hardware is the problem, but rather the lack of IR support in AOSP.
sauprankul said:
Oops, my bad.
I meant the app named TV, which allows me to use the IR blaster. I looked it up on the play store, only got apps that used network, links?
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Here's one of the IR apps on Play (more if you follow "Users who viewed this also viewed") : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microcontrollerbg.irdroid
App description says "Uses and needs external Irdroid module" and indicates it's a port of LIRC.
IR ports and their drivers are relatively simple, compared to audio, graphics, FM, etc.
So I'll bet that somebody will find/build an HTC One AOSP IR solution in the next 3-6 months. I've briefly considered it myself, but there are enough apps out there already IMO for when drivers become available.
BTW, I got the app link from this good thread about things missing from the coming Nexus Experience version: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tc-camera-features-and-no-beats-audio-switch/
My impression right now is that HTC One sales are doing better than many of us expected. The Nexus Experience thing has convinced me that I'll be getting one soon. And Samsung GS4 sales seem lower than expected. I think HTC One is "stealing" some GS4 sales.
My point is that I think HTC One XDA/custom ROM and apps development will do well, and solutions for IR and some other Sense related features will be found.
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And I thought I had posted this a while back, but I get no audio from Spirit FM. (I'll try it again?) EDIT: Yeah, no audio... Am I supposed to let it scan networks or wait for it to tune or something?
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AOSP based ROM ?
I've had a few HTC One success reports, but I think on stock ROM where the "HTC" Audio-> Method setting talks to the HTC proprietary audio stuff.
Send me a debug log with Menu-> Test-> Email-> Logs . After 20 seconds or so press Send.
There may be some simple ALSA controls to set to enable FM audio. But often I have to get a phone in my hands and spend some time on it before learning the FM audio enable secrets.
If this phone were using the Qualcomm WCN3660 FM/combo chips, like the Qualcomm reference designs used in One X LTE, One S and similar devices, then the "HTC OneS/X LTE ALSA" Audio-> Method would work, as well as "Digital OneXL/S".
AFAIR, this phone DOES use the reference WDC9310 audio chip, but the Qualcomm FM chip has special audio connections that I'm pretty sure the Broadcom BCM4335 FM/combo chip does not.
My guess is that HTC added some special FM audio controls to the WDC9310 driver. EDIT: OK someone sent me a debug log from a rooted One, I'll look to find new FM controls.
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Here's one of the IR apps on Play (more if you follow "Users who viewed this also viewed") : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microcontrollerbg.irdroid
App description says "Uses and needs external Irdroid module" and indicates it's a port of LIRC.
IR ports and their drivers are relatively simple, compared to audio, graphics, FM, etc.
So I'll bet that somebody will find/build an HTC One AOSP IR solution in the next 3-6 months. I've briefly considered it myself, but there are enough apps out there already IMO for when drivers become available.
BTW, I got the app link from this good thread about things missing from the coming Nexus Experience version: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tc-camera-features-and-no-beats-audio-switch/
My impression right now is that HTC One sales are doing better than many of us expected. The Nexus Experience thing has convinced me that I'll be getting one soon. And Samsung GS4 sales seem lower than expected. I think HTC One is "stealing" some GS4 sales.
My point is that I think HTC One XDA/custom ROM and apps development will do well, and solutions for IR and some other Sense related features will be found.
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I'm sure the ONE isn't doing much to hinder sales of the S4. If you take into consideration that the S3 and S4 release dates are roughly a year apart not many people are available to upgrade let alone fork out the full price for the phone. People tend to pick brands and stick with them.
Also, according to Wikipedia, "Upon its release (S4), it became the fastest selling smartphone in Samsung's history, with 10 million devices sold as of May 22, 2013, according to Samsung." AND "the One sold around 5 million units through its first two months of worldwide availability.[" So I don't know where this stigma comes that HTC is dominating Samsung right now. I'm assuming it's just pure fanboy-ism.
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So I don't know where this stigma comes that HTC is dominating Samsung right now. I'm assuming it's just pure fanboy-ism.
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There isn't any, AFAIK. Samsung is still top dog. Just with a LITTLE less domination than was expected, and HTC doing a bit better than many expected for them. HTC has lost a LOT of market share in 2 years, now I think they've climbed back (just a bit !) from the precipice.
My very non-scientific survey of the front page of XDA forums seems to show about twice as much activity for all S4 variants, versus all One variants. One activity should have an edge because it came out first though...
Against the S4's expected dominance, I think a 2:1 activity ratio means the One is clearly among the most popular new devices, despite enthusiast complaints about non-removable battery and no SDCard.
For FM:
- AFAICT, the people who reported success with Spirit on HTC One were running stock ROMs.
On stock derived ROMs, deny SU to Spirit or better yet, set Debug-> FM API to "OEM Proprietary" and restart Spirit. If the stock FM app can work, then Spirit should be able to work this way.
Debug-> Audio Focus should be enabled, but this is done automatically on recent Spirit releases.
- I've taken a quick look at the ALSA audio driver differences. Digital FM audio is I think possible, using some HTC One specific ALSA controls intended for Bluetooth. I will need a phone and time to figure this out. I'm not sure there is even an analog FM route available; it may be digital only.
If there's a service manual and/or schematic, I'd be interested to see.
- Even without audio, I'm not sure Spirit can control the FM/combo chip on AOSP ROMs or using low level stuff. The code that works an many old and new Broadcom chips directly via "UART" does not work on this BCM4335.
Maybe it could work if Bluetooth were turned on and/or Spirit has Debug-> HCI Access set to "BT Socket".
EDIT: Actually someone just emailed me running CM10.1 and the FM chip control works through UART.
Overall, I just have to get this phone to make it work well. Usually I get new phones on Ebay from Hong Kong or US vendors. But in this case I think I'd be better to buy one locally for $650 plus taxes. I'd buy an HTC dev phone, but they only sell to US and I think the same will be true, at least initially, for the coming Google Nexus Experience phone. And... I've been reading the One has S-Off and even carrier SIM unlock now (?)...
I got a One on the weekend and have added "early" support for Spirit FM on HTC One.
HTC One first AOSP/Google support: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...7#post42922397
Now where is the guy or gal who will do the IR... and Camera...
I'm obviously a newbie, but since I"m using a Nexus 7 (with Autodroid currently) as the head unit for my car, I'm wondering if it's possible to use (or adapt?) Auto, when it comes out, to the Nexus 7? I'm sure it's possible, but what might be involved? Is it practicle?
I have some programming experience, but it's been a long time. Nevertheless, it might be fun to try if it's not too involved.
Thanks to all who contribute to these forums!
I'm pretty sure it comes built in with cars so unless your willing to buy the hardware idk...
I might be wrong though. xx
~Kate xoxo
Check out AutoMate!
Im also running a nexus 7 as my head unit. Came back this forum with the same question..... would android auto be ported to a tablet? Im pretty happy with my my nexus running pure android but you know curiosity killed the cat....
AutoMate? That looks very interesting.
Maybe I don't know where to click, but I don't see much about it other than it's "Android Auto, re-imagined for phones and tablets". It's a horrible search name, since the search noise makes it impossible to search for.
I can't see it on Google Play. I joined the community, but there's no news from anywhere or anyone that I can see about it, only unanswered comments from other people who have joined. What am I missing? Can I download this somewhere?
Thanks!
The g+ community has a small description section explaining what AutoMate is, along with some screen shots. It's currently under development with a target for early April.
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AutoMate? That looks very interesting.
Maybe I don't know where to click, but I don't see much about it other than it's "Android Auto, re-imagined for phones and tablets". It's a horrible search name, since the search noise makes it impossible to search for.
I can't see it on Google Play. I joined the community, but there's no news from anywhere or anyone that I can see about it, only unanswered comments from other people who have joined. What am I missing? Can I download this somewhere?
Thanks!
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Thanks for that. I see it now.
I'll be very interested in how this plays out. Currently I've got my Nexus 7 running pretty well as a head unit, but it could always be better!
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Im also running a nexus 7 as my head unit. Came back this forum with the same question..... would android auto be ported to a tablet?
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I think this will be figured out.
But Google is likely to resist and may not allow apps that help on Google Play.
Who cares, there is a lot of apps available only on xda, it will be one of it !
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Everything Is just processing and everything just happens on phone, video is just sent to head car unit and displayed on screen, it's 100% sure that there is a way to baypass this and just use phone screen as head unit screen, that's it
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Everything Is just processing and everything just happens on phone, video is just sent to head car unit and displayed on screen, it's 100% sure that there is a way to baypass this and just use phone screen as head unit screen, that's it
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From Google's perspective, to some extent, yes.
But head units can add "external" features, like Pioneer's AM/FM and HD radio.
These "external" features might even be possible to "internalize" to some extent, to avoid the hassles and UI discrepancies that mode buttons bring. (Not positive yet.)
I have noted there is a protocol between phone and head unit. It's not a simple hardware type connection like HDMI/DVI for video for example.
This is an extensible protocol of course, and future possibilities are limitless. I'll write some more of what I've found on the developer mode thread I started.