I'm a bit confused on what the differences are between the 3 and when you'd want one over the other. I could figure out the 2nd half of the question if it was more clear the first half.
Here is what I think I've gleaned:
ClockWork backs up my ROM ...does it do installed apps too? does it grab user data? Is it the one stop recover from my own stupidity app?
Titanium backs up installed apps and their settings?
nandroid...no clue really
It would be nice to put this into a wiki
Peter
Clockwork is the ROM manager flash to your phone to allow you to get into the restore mod.
Nandroid is the backup of your entire phone at that time.
Titanium backsup your apps and app data.
Backing up your ROM is like a restore point on a computer, you reload that and your phone is back to the way it was at that point. Titanium allows you to back up your apps and reinstall all backups/app data/ or just some. Whatever your preference.
wow, I didn't think I was confused, but i guess I am now.
I understand Titanium app+data backup. No Q's there.
But as for ROM Manager, I've always been under the impression that when I choose the "Backup Current ROM" option within ROM Manager, I was performing a full image backup of the phone. Is this not the case? If not, what exactly am I backing up? As the OP inquired, what is the difference between this and the nandroid b/u?
You are correct - ROM Manager, is the big tool that encompasses the others. It uses NANdroid to do a full backup - everything. It is more of a disk image then a restore point.
You use ROM Manager to boot into a special menu that gives you NANdroid and NANdroid has access to the entire ROM and Data to back everything up.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Howto:_Nandroid_Backup
I have been trying to sort this out in my mind as well. I think this is the case (someone please correct if wrong):
nandroid, whether done from within CWM or Rom Manager, essentially makes an image backup of your whole phone--perhaps not technically as an "image," but the end effect is the same. If you restore a nandroid backup, you get your whole phone back exactly as it was when the backup was made.
LATER: Soccer_Dad said that nandroid does not include the modem and kernel.
TitaniumBackup depends a bit on what you select at the time the backup is made, but mostly is used to backup apps and (apps data???), although it can do more than that. Typically, it is used to restore your apps back onto a phone after flashing a new ROM.
If those are correct, I have a question still--how do you backup and restore your homescreens or desktop icons? I presume they would be included in a nandroid backup, but if you do a ROM and TitaniumBackup restore, is there an easy way to get all your app icons back onto the right screen panels?
movrshakr said:
I have been trying to sort this out in my mind as well. I think this is the case (someone please correct if wrong):
nandroid, whether done from within CWM or Rom Manager, essentially makes an image backup of your whole phone--perhaps not technically as an "image," but the end effect is the same. If you restore a nandroid backup, you get your whole phone back exactly as it was when the backup was made.
TitaniumBackup depends a bit on what you select at the time the backup is made, but mostly is used to backup apps and (apps data???), although it can do more than that. Typically, it is used to restore your apps back onto a phone after flashing a new ROM.
If those are correct, I have a question still--how do you backup and restore your homescreens or desktop icons? I presume they would be included in a nandroid backup, but if you do a ROM and TitaniumBackup restore, is there an easy way to get all your app icons back onto the right screen panels?
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Quick answer would be to backup the data of your launcher. I personaly use ADW Ex and whenever I restore it after a flash, it all comes back the way it was (beside wallpaper which isn't all too hard to change )
movrshakr said:
I have been trying to sort this out in my mind as well. I think this is the case (someone please correct if wrong):
nandroid, whether done from within CWM or Rom Manager, essentially makes an image backup of your whole phone--perhaps not technically as an "image," but the end effect is the same. If you restore a nandroid backup, you get your whole phone back exactly as it was when the backup was made.
TitaniumBackup depends a bit on what you select at the time the backup is made, but mostly is used to backup apps and (apps data???), although it can do more than that. Typically, it is used to restore your apps back onto a phone after flashing a new ROM.
If those are correct, I have a question still--how do you backup and restore your homescreens or desktop icons? I presume they would be included in a nandroid backup, but if you do a ROM and TitaniumBackup restore, is there an easy way to get all your app icons back onto the right screen panels?
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With Titanium backup select your homescreen app and backup app + data. Widgets will have to be reapplied but apps and icons should be all there when you restore.
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movrshakr said:
I have been trying to sort this out in my mind as well. I think this is the case (someone please correct if wrong):
nandroid, whether done from within CWM or Rom Manager, essentially makes an image backup of your whole phone--perhaps not technically as an "image," but the end effect is the same. If you restore a nandroid backup, you get your whole phone back exactly as it was when the backup was made.
TitaniumBackup depends a bit on what you select at the time the backup is made, but mostly is used to backup apps and (apps data???), although it can do more than that. Typically, it is used to restore your apps back onto a phone after flashing a new ROM.
If those are correct, I have a question still--how do you backup and restore your homescreens or desktop icons? I presume they would be included in a nandroid backup, but if you do a ROM and TitaniumBackup restore, is there an easy way to get all your app icons back onto the right screen panels?
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In case you are a flashaholic, the nandroid backup gets everything...except the modem and kernel. If you flash a bunch, and then restore an earlier nandroid backup, you could end up with some incompatibilities. I rename my backups (found in the clockworkmod directory on your sdcard) with date.rom.kernel.modem, so I know how to get a true restore (and I keep a flashable copy of the kernel and modem on my PC so I don't have to search for those in XDA, since the site is always undergoing maintenance at 10 pm PDT).
I use that a bunch, to go back to a perfectly functional Serendipity after testing out other mods/roms/etc. You will want to back up and store current tasks, calendar items, contacts, call logs, sms, etc. before your restore, to update the old rom with your recent calls/texts/etc.
Thanks. Nice additional explanation. I did not know that nandroid did not do modem and kernel. (Is there something that does?)
Will modify my previous post for future readers.
What some best practices that have been established in regards to using Clockwork Rom Manager's Nandroid backup along with Titanium Backup of all user apps + system data?
Seems each time I update to a newer ROM/Firmware, then restore using Titanium backup the PDA version changes as seen in *#1234#
Curious to know how everyone else is using the backup apps that are available for this device.
I just backup all user apps, I dont backup system data.
I always make a nandroid backup if im going to flash anything,.,.....and once i get a rom set up to my liking, then i make a backup of that as well.
This looks like something that should be a sticky just to keep a formal standardized process people can refer to when getting into flashing new firmware or trying new ROMS.
Thank you!
SO EXCITED! I just rooted my Captivate, set the database for side loading did a backup with ROM Manager and with Titanium and now I AM READY TO GET A CUSTOM ROM!
Before I do though quick question....
Should I unistall all apps before flashing? Not sure how that would work.
Or can I leave them on there? If I do have to uninstall... Can I then just restore them to the new ROM with Titanium?
THANKS!
No need to uninstall apps
When restoring with titanium only restore user apps. Do not restore nandroid made be clockwork
Thanks! Wish me luck!
If you have read, luck is not needed
I want to know how to make a data backup so I won't have to restore all the apps and the contacts after flashing new ROMs which requires data wipe..I tried searching before posting this..but I didn't understand anything
and yes I am a noob
YMYA said:
I want to know how to make a data backup so I won't have to restore all the apps and the contacts after flashing new ROMs which requires data wipe..I tried searching before posting this..but I didn't understand anything
and yes I am a noob
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YMYA said:
I want to know how to make a data backup so I won't have to restore all the apps and the contacts after flashing new ROMs which requires data wipe..I tried searching before posting this..but I didn't understand anything
and yes I am a noob
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if there is a rom where a fullwipe is needed, then you will get many fc's if you
restore a nandroid data.
but i'll give you the answer:
make a simple backup in cwm and go to advanced restore, there you can choose data
texten said:
if there is a rom where a fullwipe is needed, then you will get many fc's if you
restore a nandroid data.
but i'll give you the answer:
make a simple backup in cwm and go to advanced restore, there you can choose data
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one of the easy way but still you can also try use ultimate backup from market, free and just use it to backup all aplications that you are installing/using on one rom, and when you flash another rom, just use it to reinstall them. The free version all you need to do is confirm manually all installs
How to perform a complete backup for ROM changes:
(0. Root your system if you are on stock Samsung firmware)
1. Backup your apps and their data with TitaniumBackup (click "Backup/Restore", click checkmark icon in upper right corner, select "Backup all user apps"). Do not backup system apps/data unless you have a good reason.
2. Backup your SMS with SMS Backup & Restore
3. Backup your call logs with Call log Backup & Restore.
4. Export your contacts to a .vcf file or sync them to your google account.
Your internal and external SD cards will not be touched when flashing ROMs so they do not require backup.
I flash ROM a lot. I'm using sense based ROM and i want to always do clean install by wiping. I got titanium backup for apps, sms backup and restore. Is there any way to backup the phone setting, like ringtone, display setting, etc..
Thanx before
negawolf said:
I flash ROM a lot. I'm using sense based ROM and i want to always do clean install by wiping. I got titanium backup for apps, sms backup and restore. Is there any way to backup the phone setting, like ringtone, display setting, etc..
Thanx before
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HTC backup can backup and restore your settings, Wi-Fi passwords, etc. but I've never used it so I don't know how comprehensive it is.
negawolf said:
I flash ROM a lot. I'm using sense based ROM and i want to always do clean install by wiping. I got titanium backup for apps, sms backup and restore. Is there any way to backup the phone setting, like ringtone, display setting, etc..
Thanx before
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If you have root access you can use Titanium Backup. Then you can just copy the TitaniumBackup folder to your pc while you do the factory reset. Then reinstall TB and place the folder on you storage and run restore.
Then you will have all your setting back on your device.