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which ROM is the fastest in speed (for O2 minis)?
thanks 4 reading!
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2.67.12 is the fastest by far
thanks for reading
i'm joking ofcourse
if you actually spent the time to READ the forum YOURSELF you'd know the answer yourself already....dont be lazy and expect the work be done for you...
rom speed is very subjective anyways as there is no baseline for the standard configurations....some have registry tweaks some dont so it's comparing apples to oranges
chudy said:
2.67.12 is the fastest by far
thanks for reading
i'm joking ofcourse
if you actually spent the time to READ the forum YOURSELF you'd know the answer yourself already....dont be lazy and expect the work be done for you...
rom speed is very subjective anyways as there is no baseline for the standard configurations....some have registry tweaks some dont so it's comparing apples to oranges
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You know people come here for advice NOT sarcasm!
I have been a forum memebr form some time and I knwo that when I originally came here I also did not know what was best for my phone.
It was only through the help of curteous members that I managed to understand what was going on.
Save your sarcasm for yourself! :twisted:
besides my beta rom i would vote for molski's 2.26.. its what i based mine off of... its the fastest i have come in contact with
oooo, looks like i got you mad paul...tough :roll:
maybe if you were such a helpful soul you should've concentrated on the original poster's question instead of thread crapping. I was merely suggesting he/she get familiar with the forum as it's a vast wealth of information.
if bachikho would have come in with an educated question which showed some kind of effort i'd be more than happy to help but the OP was obviously meant as an easy way out...or so i see it and i'm entitled to my opinion.
as far as rom's go, bachikho, your o2 mini s is a variant of the htc wizard and as things stand right now i'd try reading about the aku2.3 roms that are floating around. they seem to be the fastest and the most stable at the moment. Molski's and mrclean are my favs. I'm currently running the aku 3.2 rom and i'd stay away from it for now.
I agree with chudy, searching and reading is best. If everyone searched and read the forums, we wouldn't have these same questions being asked over and over. I've CID unlocked, SIM unlocked, registry tweaked, changed many different ROMs on my various Wizard (And Universal) devices I've owned this year w/o asking a single question because everything I needed was found using the search feature, simple as that.
Back on topic; I've tried several ROMs, including some of Summiter's cooked ROMs and the fastest one I've tried is the Mr. Clean AKU 2.3 ROM. I haven't tried some of the latest ones; still enjoying Mr. Clean too much
I disagree with Chudy. There are a myriad of posts and pages to read about the various ROMs and it's not easy, maybe even possible, to work out (without trying them) which ROM might be the fastest from all the information given.
Paul makes a valid point, there is no need to be sarcastic. If you didn't like the question bachikho asked, you could have easily ignored it instead of being so pompus.
Shogunmark's answer was succinct and to the point, as was the last paragraph of DavidT's. Those are the types of answer that we are after.
achick, thank you for the very necessary and beautifully eloquent rebuttal to my reply to the OP. I almost had to whip out a dictionary You adding your two cents to the off-topic thread crapping is appreciated by everyone I'm sure.
in this open forum, everyone is fee to express their opinions. since we're expressing our feelings and emotions cause thats what we should expect from a technical forum, i do warmly thank you again for pointing out the obvious and putting it in one succinct post for us to digest along with your affectionate commentary, all of which has everything to do with ROMs. Way to go, keeping your eyes on the ball! Takes me back to my college psychology class and the pointless discussion sessions (sorry i come from an engineering background)...
now, lets get back on track...since the OP stemmed from the need for speed in a ROM it sure would be nice to establish some kind of baseline testing methodology. Is anyone familiar with any pocket pc benchmark applications? I'm wondering if there is something analogous to 3dmark or Sandra In the Pocket PC world.
Has anyone tried any of the tools listed in the link below?
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Developer-Tools/Benchmarks/
i think i'll try some of them if there is no de-facto standard already in use and compare my aku2.3 and aku3.2 roms....i'll be back to report back with some results later on (and i promise to stay on-topic )
chudy,
did not mean to rain on your parade. Im just used to all the people on this forum to be very helpful and attentive.
I see that you have in fact been just that after your replies..
Kudos to you!
:lol:
I am going to try the rom posted by risidoro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=61997
I also am in dire need to update my phone ROM. I reading everything form Xelecin not cooking any more roms, I think the one above seems to fit the need nicely since it is based off of a Tmobile Rom.
Cheers all.
achick said:
I disagree with Chudy. There are a myriad of posts and pages to read about the various ROMs and it's not easy, maybe even possible, to work out (without trying them) which ROM might be the fastest from all the information given.
Paul makes a valid point, there is no need to be sarcastic. If you didn't like the question bachikho asked, you could have easily ignored it instead of being so pompus.
Shogunmark's answer was succinct and to the point, as was the last paragraph of DavidT's. Those are the types of answer that we are after.
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Thanks achick
quick and to the point is all you need... and i do feel that some n00bs feel the need to post the same questions over and over cause either A. they get flamed for answering the same question and never really get a good answer.. and B. because so many n00bs ask the same questions it clutters up the board for doing searches.. its kinda like [email protected] if you do, [email protected] if you dont...
i would also like to mention that there are so many roms on the ftp that finding the one that best works for you is merely trial and error, i cant even count how many different roms i tried before i found one that worked great.. then i grew a set of [email protected] and cooked my own
You could do what I do. . . just go to the rom posts, in the forum, with the many trailing pages of replies. lol That way, you know what problems to expect.
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You could do what I do. . . just go to the rom posts, in the forum, with the many trailing pages of replies. lol That way, you know what problems to expect.
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lol.. that doesnt always indicate problems.. in the case of my beta, there hasnt really been any problems, most of it is just extra freeware apps people want.. or little extra goodies that people want for improvement, but nothing wrong with the actual rom itself.. judging by the many posts on mine and the comments of others it seems to be a very fast and stable rom
I think the T-Mobile AKU 2.5 is the fastest ... That's what I noticed when working with it ...
Fast is a relative thing. Some are faster than others but unstable. Others are not quite as fast but more stable. The stock T-mobile 2.26 is pretty fast and rock solid. That AKU 3.x is supposively very fast and, judging by the now almost useless thread, very unstable. So pick your poison. I use the stock T-Mobile 2.26 rom because this is my phone, not an expensive toy waiting to be turned into a paperweight, and what good is fast when it resets on it's own every 10 minutes?
I have been using the risidoro ROM for several days now and I really like it.
has a ton of great features built into the ROM that I normally would have to install myself.
I have tweaked a few things and I have to say that my phone boots much faster now and also memory use is MUCH better than before due to his registry tweaks to offload mem usage to the SD card.
I recommend it! :lol:
I have also been using the risidoro custom rom, and it does marvles for me. And he is always checking the thread to help a fellow noob out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=61997[/list]
I just can't keep up anymore, there seems to be a bajillion roms and new ones keep getting updated everyday.
why can't we make the rom selection process a little more simple first off with a poll
Which rom are you using?
I would also love for people to rate their roms on a simple scale, this is just an idea
stability: 1-10
Versatility: 1-10
Free Memory: MB
Innovation: 1-10
Worth the upgrade: 1-10
Swiftblade's ROM is already at v5.0/Lite.
I'm using Swiftblade v5.0 Lite and I vote for it 2 hands up!
stability: 9
Versatility: 9
Free Memory: Storage 90MB++, RAM 55MB++
Innovation: 5 (cos its lite therefore not much innovative programs)
Worth the upgrade: 10
1. wrong forum! we do not make polls in "diamond ROM development". this is for..........give you 3 guesses......yes, you guessed... ROM development.
2. the forum is full with this kind of useless threads. why useless? because this is a subjective matter. one looks for speed, other looks for memory and another is looking for the graphics. what is good for me can be terrible wrong for you....clear?
3. i searched and find for you (you didn't bother to search) only a few of the threads that tried to determine which is better:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410002
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411620
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411636
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410201
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2461780
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2379362
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
i am glad to inform that some of them are from the trash., where they belong.
4. i know that if this thread is going to continue (hope not) it is going to become a very long and useless one. what you'll get in the end? a "chat" thread and a poll about the most used ROM for diamond....not the best.
5. if you want to know something about ROMs go and search the benchmark thread. this is the right way to determine which one is the best ROM for you.
[hint1]-the post is in the first page
[hint2]-is a sticky
[hint3]-is the third one from the top
[hint4]-is called Diamond Benchmarks, Tutorials & How-Tos Thread
[hint5]-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415194
good luck in making your own oppinion!
now who said i am not helping the noobs??!!!
keep the forum clean ppl!
someone please kill this thread, another pointless poll.
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I understand your frustrations of noobs taking over your elite site but I still feel this is useful and insightful
all the posts you showed before showed old rom's, now with such a variety out there I wanted to know how the diversity has expanded. Not to show which rom is the best but instead to survey what is out there. If you don't like this thread, just take the poll and ignore it. However when it comes to polls, in the end it's whatever you make of them.
Pointless
Another pointless reply from Kukuriku.
adilkhan1214: Forget about Kukuriku, he has this problem with noob's asking questions! He forgets that when he started this kind of thing he would have asked exactly the same sort of questions.
Like the idea, hope other people take the poll as it will help out new comers quite a bit to see what everyone is using.
Keep asking the questions as there are plenty of helpful people on here, but you will come across a minority that think they own this forum and really have nothing helpful to say and will try and slam you at every oppurtunity.
By the way, I am using the SwiftBL WWE Diamond v5.0. Very smooth and stable ROM, really recommend it.
adilkhan1214 said:
I understand your frustrations of noobs taking over your elite site but I still feel this is useful and insightful
all the posts you showed before showed old rom's, now with such a variety out there I wanted to know how the diversity has expanded. Not to show which rom is the best but instead to survey what is out there. If you don't like this thread, just take the poll and ignore it. However when it comes to polls, in the end it's whatever you make of them.
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The point is, just like what Kukuriku said, it's a subjective matter. There is no best, worse or somewhere in between ROM. It's for a major part all about look and feel, there is nothing more subjective than that. Why don't you try most of the roms? It's nice to do and you will quickly find out which rom will be the one for you
dutch64 said:
The point is, just like what Kukuriku said, it's a subjective matter. There is no best, worse or somewhere in between ROM. It's for a major part all about look and feel, there is nothing more subjective than that. Why don't you try most of the roms? It's nice to do and you will quickly find out which rom will be the one for you
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I know it is subjective, and I am not going to argue over what you may think my intentions are.
It is indeed to find out what people are using and why they use it, diversity is there and I'm open to finding out where the majority of people flock to in their rom choice.
It's like me trying to find out how many Native American Indians are in Nevada and then people yelling at me and telling me to find out more about Native Americans first.
They don't add up
I've flashed my phone probably four time in the last month....
my personal subjective opinion: they don't make that big of a difference
but it's irrelevant, currently I'm trying out Dutty's 1.5 and from this poll it seems that one ROM I didn't yet try is one that a lot of people have so now I know where to head next.
I support this poll too. It's gives a quick pointer to what roms ppl are using. I find it useful in deciding what rom to try next. right now, I'm on bElite 0.97, but might take a swing at SwiftBL while I'm waiting for bElite 1.0
thanks
WE ALREADY reached 41 people polled,
I can't wait to see what it will look like in two days
walshieau said:
someone please kill this thread, another pointless poll.
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this is what i should said.
instead i took the time to post links to similar threads and tried in my (special) way to help you. and you still are complaining, you don't get it. ok......
I like the poll. A rom that is popular and have many votes is probably not bad.
When had a Trinity I used to check the poll to see which rom most people used, and flash that.
To be honest. At the moment i don't see the advantage of using one the custom ROMS.
The new 1.93.xx official ROM works great for me.
I do appreciate all the work the developers are putting in their ROM, and i respect them for that! It's always nice to have options
So, i voted "official ROM"
KukurikU said:
1. wrong forum! we do not make polls in "diamond ROM development". this is for..........give you 3 guesses......yes, you guessed... ROM development.
2. the forum is full with this kind of useless threads. why useless? because this is a subjective matter. one looks for speed, other looks for memory and another is looking for the graphics. what is good for me can be terrible wrong for you....clear?
3. i searched and find for you (you didn't bother to search) only a few of the threads that tried to determine which is better:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410002
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411620
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411636
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410201
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2461780
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2379362
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
i am glad to inform that some of them are from the trash., where they belong.
4. i know that if this thread is going to continue (hope not) it is going to become a very long and useless one. what you'll get in the end? a "chat" thread and a poll about the most used ROM for diamond....not the best.
5. if you want to know something about ROMs go and search the benchmark thread. this is the right way to determine which one is the best ROM for you.
[hint1]-the post is in the first page
[hint2]-is a sticky
[hint3]-is the third one from the top
[hint4]-is called Diamond Benchmarks, Tutorials & How-Tos Thread
[hint5]-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415194
good luck in making your own oppinion!
now who said i am not helping the noobs??!!!
keep the forum clean ppl!
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Loved your post! Right on!!!
Search, Search, Search!
Ah, wait. One last question. Which one is better?
I am too lazy to go through all the comments in the Rom, so i will just create a "Which one is better" thread
walshieau said:
someone please kill this thread, another pointless poll.
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here here!
You need a ROM critic?
Really?
You don't seriously say you need a ROM critic.
If you take the time and bother to search and to go through each custom ROM's thread, you'll find that the first couple of posts are introducing the ROM and the other hundreds of posts are... guess what... wait for it... FEEDBACK on the ROM after people have TRIED it. YES, you are advised to try the ROM and formulate your own opinion instead of posting useless threads that have been posted before. We all look for different things and it's downright impossible for anyone to tell you what the "best" ROM is. Someone might vote for ROM X because it's fast, another one might vote for ROM X because it's got lots of free space and a third person might vote for ROM X because it's in a certain language. THen you go, download ROM X because "everyone says it's good" but you hate it because you need a ROM that doesn't have a certain app you need. See my point?
mkhattab said:
You need a ROM critic?
Really?
You don't seriously say you need a ROM critic.
If you take the time and bother to search and to go through each custom ROM's thread, you'll find that the first couple of posts are introducing the ROM and the other hundreds of posts are... guess what... wait for it... FEEDBACK on the ROM after people have TRIED it. YES, you are advised to try the ROM and formulate your own opinion instead of posting useless threads that have been posted before. We all look for different things and it's downright impossible for anyone to tell you what the "best" ROM is. Someone might vote for ROM X because it's fast, another one might vote for ROM X because it's got lots of free space and a third person might vote for ROM X because it's in a certain language. THen you go, download ROM X because "everyone says it's good" but you hate it because you need a ROM that doesn't have a certain app you need. See my point?
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Your point is what? You want to help every poor soul not installing the wrong rom for their needs? How do you know what ppl want? Why should anyone decide for me what rom I want to flash, or even decide how I can reach my conclusion to why I should flash it.
I have read many of the ROM threads, I still flashed TLR over bElite .95 and found out it wasn't right for me. This poll doesn't tell you which rom is best, it tells you how many ppl are using the different roms. You can then make a decision to look up the rom you find interesting, and flash it if you want. E.g. I'm using bElite .97, I see there's alot of ppl using SwiftBL...hmmm, maybe I should try it out and see if I like it. I go to the SwiftBL thread, read and make a decision. This poll gives a pointer, so I don't need to study every single rom thread to find a popular rom. I still can, but now I have a choice.
Seing how many has voted, it seems that some ppl actually thinks it's a good thing.
mkhattab said:
You need a ROM critic?
Really?
You don't seriously say you need a ROM critic.
If you take the time and bother to search and to go through each custom ROM's thread, you'll find that the first couple of posts are introducing the ROM and the other hundreds of posts are... guess what... wait for it... FEEDBACK on the ROM after people have TRIED it. YES, you are advised to try the ROM and formulate your own opinion instead of posting useless threads that have been posted before. We all look for different things and it's downright impossible for anyone to tell you what the "best" ROM is. Someone might vote for ROM X because it's fast, another one might vote for ROM X because it's got lots of free space and a third person might vote for ROM X because it's in a certain language. THen you go, download ROM X because "everyone says it's good" but you hate it because you need a ROM that doesn't have a certain app you need. See my point?
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i bet he doesn't. he still didn't understand that even the forum is wrong. he didn't get when i explained and he is not going to get it no matter how many ppl are going to say it.
a noob is not a noob because of the post count. i noob is anoob because his attitude towards the forum and it's members. i didn't flame and i wasn't rude. i just said my opinion and yes, i explained and helped. you might not taste my sarcasm but still, i took the time and helped. but nothing good enough....
this is laziness and selfishness at it's best. he wants all the info ready, in one place, chewed and inserted in his useless brain. bahhhh...why do i bother?
to noob:
he's right you know- KukurikU is the only one out of 18 posts that bothered to help you with REAL information
KukurikU:
you try and be helpful, some people appreciate it and there will always be those who don't and won't!
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to noob:
he's right you know- KukurikU is the only one out of 18 posts that bothered to help you with REAL information
KukurikU:
you try and be helpful, some people appreciate it and there will always be those who don't and won't!
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perhaps helpfulness and sarcasm doesn't always mix well together?
So I was trying to help my little brother get a custom ROM from XDA so he can enjoy his Wing. Well, ends up half of the chefs out there create roms without important features. For example, no MMS. Ok, so maybe you can get away with that since you can download Arcsoft and install it afterwards. However, question remains, why don't the chefs include Arcsoft already in their roms like they used to on XDA with the MDA, etc?!
So fine, no MMS, install it later. How about required functions? For example NO CAMERA SOFTWARE!?!? Are you serious chefs? I mean I know you take out things like ringtones, carrier bloat, etc, but CAMERA?! Now, the MDA, when a chef took out the camera it was because THEY WERE REPLACING IT WITH A BETTER CAMERA SOFTWARE.
What gives XDA?! I am noticing this in other ROM threads for other phones. Even some of the latest phones have this issue too. Rhodium roms missing landscape mode?! It's a Rhodium, it has both landscape and portrait!
Either way, so fine, you want to make these roms available to the public. No problem. Ever think about creating a TEST ROMS section INSIDE OF XDA ROMS?!
So another example. One section for "INCOMPLETE BETA SUPER TEST ROMS" and another for "The phone should still be able to use all hardware on it with this ROM" section. How about that for a little more clarity?!
I can't beleive what's happened to beloved XDA. Shame. Big shame.
Weeeeelllllll......not to sound super preachy....but you do realize that you are getting all of this FOR FREE right? Most of the time the reason that commericial programs aren't cooked into ROMs is because they are just that, commercial. AFAIK we could get in MUCH more trouble if we included a bunch of commercial stuff in them. I know that the Wizard has TONs of ROMs with built in stuff that is commercial, I used to be a cook over there, and in my opinion the reason for that is because there is so much crap in that forum that the mods and such arent going to look at every ROM for illegal crap, whereas in this much smaller forum here for the Herald we have fewer members and fewer ROMs but I think like 2 or 3 mods, so they have less to look at and more time to do it.
Long post short, you get this stuff for free...at the most what cooks ask for is a donation, ROMs as they are no matter what are technically illegal piecs of software, and at any time if Microsoft REALLY wanted to they could have XDA shut down without another word..so basically, if you don't like it-cook your own ROM with what you want already in it or stop complaining!
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Every people cooking ROMs tries to cook the way the most useful for his/her device, and test some apps or abilities from the ROM.
And as you've read, they share their ROMs "for free" so that you can enter here, search, and download the ROM you want, flash it and play with it.
Nobody sells anything. There's no agreement to sign. There's no compromise except the wish to make things well - to every chef's taste.
You don't like this chef, this cook, this dish, then you are free to change restaurant. People is here to discover, develop, and share ideas. If you like stock ROMs with all the features, then get one of them.
The best you can do is to write a factually comment into the thread, where you have downloaded the ROM. This is the right way, to get an answer. But don´t insult the cookers. Here are kitchens presented, so that you can make it better for your own, if you want.
chillax
MMS is a carrier specific issue. Roms atleast for this fone aren't carrier specific... Yea this stuff is free and you'll have to use a little elbow grease to get it workin in the way u want. If you want a specific app cooked into your rom be it commercial or not cook it in yourself, just be careful of rammifications if you share your rom with the public. Kitchens are not rocket science, just grab on and slam into it head first
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Weeeeelllllll......not to sound super preachy....but you do realize that you are getting all of this FOR FREE right? Most of the time the reason that commericial programs aren't cooked into ROMs is because they are just that, commercial. AFAIK we could get in MUCH more trouble if we included a bunch of commercial stuff in them. I know that the Wizard has TONs of ROMs with built in stuff that is commercial, I used to be a cook over there, and in my opinion the reason for that is because there is so much crap in that forum that the mods and such arent going to look at every ROM for illegal crap, whereas in this much smaller forum here for the Herald we have fewer members and fewer ROMs but I think like 2 or 3 mods, so they have less to look at and more time to do it.
Long post short, you get this stuff for free...at the most what cooks ask for is a donation, ROMs as they are no matter what are technically illegal piecs of software, and at any time if Microsoft REALLY wanted to they could have XDA shut down without another word..so basically, if you don't like it-cook your own ROM with what you want already in it or stop complaining!
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I understand, trust me. I don't think you are preaching. In the days when I first got my Wizard (MDA) the roms did not require much addition of software. You could choose a rom and the chef would do more work in letting you know about the rom. ie: Missing this, missing that, has this, has that...etc. I came across two ROMs in particular that did not mention such things to me and was shocked about it.
After further reading the posts in the ROM Chef's thread, I discovered that the chef did not care that the needed app was not working and had asked all users to just download an older build of the ROM instead of trying to get a functional ROM shared.
Now I understand that apparently XDA came under great legal threat from several companies about their roms/software being released here for free(whether or not it left the phones without critical functions). For this reason, to remain alive, XDA had to comply by these rules and just let the chefs make the ROM itself and anyone willing to put up with not having a phone or camera or keyboard or touchscreen working on their phone would test the ROMs out and figure out how to get critical functions back by themselves because it would destroy XDA if the ROMs had this software included.
Back then it was considered hard work simply downloading/burning a ROM that a Chef made, but these days you even have to install the basic function apps yourself if you want to participate. Hopefully it doesn't get much worse than that. I really want my Touch Pro 2 to have an XDA ROM running on it in the near future with WM 6.5 and enjoy butter smooth, reliable operation.
afn691 said:
You don't like this chef, this cook, this dish, then you are free to change restaurant. People is here to discover, develop, and share ideas. If you like stock ROMs with all the features, then get one of them.
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nothing more i can add ...
Hello all Chefs and Rom users, I wanted to know how would you like if someone started a thread or site where they do in depth reviews on roms,chefs,and apps for htc phones? Would you find this useful and would you be willing to post your roms on a site that does this? Would you be interested in paying for adverstisement? Would you like for a donation link to be placed in your review or section on the site? Rom users, how useful do you think this site will be? I am open to all comments and questions. Thank to all in advance.
I think that would be a great idea, especially for the people who arent sure which rom they want or what they want on a rom or the people that are new to this scene. Maybe the site could include a list of things that are included in the roms. Such as does it have the latest .net compact framwork and things like that. Also it could be broken down into which roms would be best for which versions of the rhodium. Like T-mobile, at&t, sprint, verizon. And there could be a rating system letting users rate the roms. Just a few ideas to throw at you.
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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yeah i second this. The key thing about roms is that they differ in appeal for one person to the next. Most roms these days are nice and fast (certainly faster than stock) and so the additional factors may involve apps included, graphics and other features and although these are listed within the chefs thread as screenshots and lists, you only really know a rom is right for you once its in your hands and personally test-driven!
Agreed, it would be good to have an objective list of features of all current roms and comments of them in one place, however the info is already out there leaving the rest of the work up to the user!
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Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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I agree... With a UC cable ROM, a PC registry editor (CeRegistry, MobileRegistryEditor) and maybe SDConfig Builder along with PIM Backup I have it automated down to about 10 minutes...
i like it
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
Not a bad idea
antdawg702 said:
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I am in the same boat I flash roms all the time, and love this forum, It would be nice to have an alternate way to read about rom,chefs,apps,Htc phones,rumors.
Something that goes more in depth.
not a social networking site
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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I am talking about a site,not really a social networking site, because that will just grow too huge and make it hard for some users to be able to get the info they are looking for. I am thinking more like a blog. Where you can search info and find different articles. There would be polls on roms. The rom may be reviewed with general info and people can leave comments. I just think it may be a way to narrow down this info for users to easily get to. Some are intimidated by huge sites. The site will have other info ,but will also lean more towards roms and chefs. The site would benefit rom users and chefs.
cant cover all roms
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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
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The site would not cover all roms,but would try to cover major releases and maybe the roms of chefs who want to link there roms to the site.
Thank You
Thank You to all who participated in this poll. Anyone who have not participated yet can still participate. It seems most members would enjoy a site like this one. I have updated my signature with the latest roms I am running. Thank you all!
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
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Reading from 40 to 400+ pages of a thread just to see what the rom is about isn't something I look forward to. I would like it if they were categorized. For example, search filters for all the roms that have sense 2.1 or all the roms that have 2.5, etc. Roms that are made specifically for a carrier would also be a nice filter. I also think a really good idea would be to make a program with the purpose of benchmarking a rom just to try and test the speed of how fast the rom really is. There are many more things that can be done. I think thewingster.com is a great example of this, but it can be taken to another level to make it much easier for users. There are many roms not posted on that site, but the popular ones are there.
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
MadBeef said:
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
MadBeef said:
Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
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Makes since thanks
ROMS AND OPINIONS (if you care)
Everytime this type of question is mentioned and discussed is pointless and has no pertinent use of obtaining any real information as each ROM is cooked to different needs for different cooks. The only way to find out which ROM is best for you is to read each Cook's thread and all the posts of what people are talking about and to try each ROM for yourself. And if none of the ROMs are what you're looking for then the only true way to satisfy your needs is to stop being a customer and become a chef yourself and cook up the ROM the way you like it.
It doesn't take long to flash your phone and play with it for a bit. If you don't like it then flash it with a different ROM and try that out. The longest time you'll spend is most likely downloading the ROMs. So I suggest to start downloading all the ROMs you'd like to try and save the to your HD and the just start loading a ROM on to your phone until you find one that you like.
And PLEASE do not post bugs or problems with the ROMs until you've read all the posts in that ROMs thread as it's most likely been mentioned and stated how to correct the problem. i.e. SMS not working in some ROMs.
And the first page of each Cook's ROM threads state what they've done and usually post pictures of the ROMs so you have an idea of what you're tasting. So READ and enjoy!
Yet another one of these threads?!?
you should read the wiki and the stickies at the top of the forums...
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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hestlen said:
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
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That's why I replied and said to go to a cook's ROM and read the entire thread of what other users have posted! Don't expect a free handout here. You have to read to learn.
yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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christ... do you need to bold and highlight everything?
there's no 1 rom that'll suit all users / we all have different preferences
"overview are already given by the ROM author/cook in their own respect threads"...
if you you cant be bothered to read and try/error yourself then i'm sorry, no one here can help you...
stick with the official rom you're using now... this would cause you the least issues...
otherwise go get an iphone/nokia
well, im always in good mood on helping new guys (coz im new and i know how hard is to jump in a so technical forum without any help), and personally i find comments like "tehres a lot of threads like this...bla bla", very unuseful...better to not answer at all instead of answering without giving informations...
anyway, as stated before, there is a lot of ROMs here, so search the one that will fit better your personality and don't bother ...
(jk)
is best to know what kind of improvements you'r searching.
Most of the info are coded in the title of the thread , so you can speed up a bit your research.
For example : [25.01.09] is the release date, this become useful when you need to track a ROM to see if there is some new updates, or just to locate the ROM in the time...
[WM.6.5.3] : it shows the OS (Windows Mobile 6.5.3) that will replace your old, lazy Windows Mobile 6.1, installed in all the official ROMs.
So if you are searching for a ROM including WiMo 6.5 or Android etc... this will be the code that should shine on your eyes.
[Manila.....] it means that the User Interface Manila (tipical in HTC products like Diamond, HD etc) was ported in the device, so you will get a pretty new user interface that you can also use like a panel instead of having it as default interface.
Others criteria can be referred to the pureness of a ROM or declare what kind of customizations were made by the cook , so a [WM.6.5 PURE] means that you will find ONLY the improvement of WM6.5.
Others are like brands, recalling the name of the cook, or the name of a "famous" ROM that has been changed in several aspect from the original but that will keep the feeling of the original one (like Touch-IT, SEX1, Un-Off series)...
Some others will refer to a specific HTC phone [LEO] or [TOPAZ], this means that the ROM were basically ported from an HTC device to another, or from another device to our X1 (see X2 ROMS) ...
Or you can find language indications [ITA] or [ENG] or [SWE] etc etc...
But first you need to know what you are searching for ...
For sure switching to WM6.5 is a huge change (imho) , avoiding Manila will save a lot of RAM, searching for some X2 stuff will give you some eye candy etc etc...
personally i installed on first days of December the SEX1 Pure WM 6.5 ROM from gtrab... amazing...simply amazing... very fast and bug free... it gave additional months of life to my X1.
On how to install a custom ROM (pretty different from updating ROM via SEUS) there is 2 sticky threads in this forum, you should learn how to do it by yourself...so don't ask about this...
Enjoy your X1 !
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
yaboistarr said:
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
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How are any of the posts that Senior members like myself have posted are useless? You can't really experience a cook's ROM by asking other people. What someone might like might not be what's best for you. You really need to learn more about how this forum works. This isn't your typical forum where you can ask and get. This is a forum where you learn from experience, hence "Devolopers" in the title.
And the sharing of "warez" is not allowed! So you obviously have a lot of learning and reading to do. First off, start with the stickies on the main pages.
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
yaboistarr said:
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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And if you want other users opinions about ROMs then go to the specific ROM threads and READ!
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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lots people stop cooking X1 rom nowaday in this forum, it seems really sad, like 1-2 new rom every week
the best rom i can say in term of speed, stable, responsive would be wildchild 6.1 rom almost a year ago, its download likes only 60-70mb though, nothing install and you can install whatever you want after then
vietdoan20062006
yaboistarr said:
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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Not overload link and you start a new thread...??? Is people like you who over load
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
fizu said:
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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There's always time to learn...I own my own business working ungodly hours a week and I manage to find time to get on the forums to read/download ROMs. I was being straight forward about my approach, but I wasn't being rude at all. I can prove posts to where I'm rude. But for someone who's wanting to flash ROMs is willing to read to flash their phone, but not willing to read and find out what each cook has specifically done to their ROMs and asking for opinions instead is just flat out lazy.
mattmarion said:
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
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The OP is willing to read about how flash his phone, but not willing to read what each ROM is about? I could share my experiences, but if you want to know what I think then go to each ROM specific thread and read what I've written! And if you're too lazy to really read the entire thread and find out what the ROM is really about because of the "I don't have time" excuse then just read the first page of each cook's ROM. There's almost always pictures, change logs, updates, and a good general wealth of information of what that ROM is about.
There should be no reason for threads to be started about which ROM is best for me as it's been stated a few times now that basically it's "To Each and Their Own!" This forum is about research and development. RESEARCH!
@im packing
really how you can judge the time of other people?
teach me that...please !
How can you say that the statement "i don't have time" is just an excuse and "help me" is lazyness...
Im not talking about how many hours you work weekly or daily....you are supposed to work during your job time and not learn xda dev fora... im talking about people that once finished the working time may have 1 or 2 hours to reach their houses and then deal with kids, wife, dogs, house management etc etc etc... to fall destroyed on their beds and wake up 5 hours later to restart again and again...
they don't have the right to acces this forum knowledge to have a better device?
or they don't deserve simply your patience and attention...?
explain me...
while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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believe me ...he is not arrogant if you try to maintain the same level with him