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Hey guys, first off Happy New Year.
Out of curiosity, I want to try Linux for myself and see what the hype is all about.
On http://www.linux.com/download_linux there are tons of different versions. I'm not a developer, just a Linux-newbie looking to explore around to see what's up. I don't plan on replacing my current OS with it, just run it at the same time and play around with it.
So, which Linux distribution would be best for me? And can I use something like Vmware Player to boot it?
edit: Forgot to mention
Using a Dell Inspiron E1505 running Windows Vista Home Premium.
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Ubuntu
good place to start IMO
good luck and have fun
and a happy new year to you in la la land
p.s...always use a live cd...this way your see if it works ok with your dell before installing
Ubuntu lets you install inside windows....and its so easy...my mom could install it
so you keep vista and have Ubuntu....then just choose which one you want to use on boot up
I used this site : http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
I need openSUSE 11.1, apparantly.
Ta
Dave
thanks for that dave
never seen that before
its told me
Fedora, Mandriva, OpenSuSE or Ubuntu....so i was right...well for me any how
liamhere said:
never seen that before
its told me
Fedora, Mandriva, OpenSuSE or Ubuntu....so i was right...well for me any how
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I wanted a new linux distro to throw on my old machine instead of smoothwall, so I just google "linux distro chooser" or something similar and found it
I've downloaded and burnt it to DVD, I just need time to set it up
Dave
vicjan88 said:
Hey guys, first off Happy New Year.
Out of curiosity, I want to try Linux for myself and see what the hype is all about.
On http://www.linux.com/download_linux there are tons of different versions. I'm not a developer, just a Linux-newbie looking to explore around to see what's up. I don't plan on replacing my current OS with it, just run it at the same time and play around with it.
So, which Linux distribution would be best for me? And can I use something like Vmware Player to boot it?
edit: Forgot to mention
Using a Dell Inspiron E1505 running Windows Vista Home Premium.
Anything else you need to know? Ask.
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UBUNTU is very popular an the community provides great support. Personally, I really like a distro that is a fork off of the UBUNTU distro called LINUX MINT. MINT is setup where many of the multimedia formats that don't work in UBUNTU by default because of licensing issues will work anyway. Decreases startup time.
Hello, vicjan88
Well, Ubuntu is nice, but actually teaches you to do things the windows-way. Yeah, it's so. It's a sort of a good place to start, but then you should move on to something more serious and.. less buggy. If you are just a small bit aware of what MBR is and have an idea of how to better partition your drives - i advise you to chose either fedora core or mandriva. They are a good place to start (my first distro was some old red hat,and it was nice). The thing about a distro for a beginner is that it should have good graphical or pseudo-graphical interface to configure everything - so that one can at least make his linux box feel working as good as windows. Experience comes from practice, so when you become quite familiar with your first distro, the rest will go just fine. Actually it is a good idea to start with Debian. But choose the testing version. Neither unstable, nor stable - they have certain problems. Or, ArchLinux. It is a nice distro, but the problem is that there is few software compiled for it, but the wiki and forums are just perfect. Anyhow, write back when you install some distro. Have fun!
coose Ubuntu, the newer editions lets you install "inside windows" its a feature called wubi
so you dont need any knowledge on partitioning or anything else
I think the best thing about linux is, it's not windows, it's different and, to a M$ fanboy like me, it's something new to learn. No point using Linux, if you're going to use it like Windows
@Ather, I've de-creased your post count.
Ta
Dave
Ubuntu is very similar to XP in many ways and is a nice, intuitive way into Linux.
Kubuntu if you want it to look more like win.
NUU! Go with
openSUSE or Ubuntu Ultimate. I personally have the following OS's on my pc;
openSUSE
Ubuntu Ultimate
BackTrack
Win XP
Ubuntu is nice if you are starting out with Linux. You might even find another distro which you like more. I use Ubuntu as a virtual machine if I need it, and standalone on my older machine. I also like having BackTrack 3 on my USB flash drive if I need it.
Dave
ubuntu is great,. i have ever used it once,.
I've always been partial to openSUSE, but the recent release of 11 was somewhat dissapointing for me (perticularly with KDE4) as it seemed a bit half hearted. Ubuntu isn't bad and is certainatly popular and Kubuntu is good if you prefer KDE to GNOME (which I personally do)
I prefer KDE, thats's why I've decided to use openSUSE more.
I just installed new OS's yesterday
newest openSUSE
Ubuntu Ultimate Gamers Edition v2.0
Windows 7 Ultimate
Windows XP SP3
Pick Ubuntu. It's the most user-friendly version out there and that's the one I've always used. It works on all my computers from the old 300mhz P3 to the 1.6ghz dual-core laptop. There are also different versions of Ubuntu with different desktop environnements. Consider Kubuntu (KDE), Xubuntu (XFCE) and the rest.
If you want to put it on a laptop, be ready for a challenge. While everything will work out of the box for desktops, Wi-Fi hardware is a pain in the butt to set up. Once you're done with that, however, there's no going back, Linux is awesome!
After playing some Doom on my G1 (Scheff's Blend) it got me thinking about the limits of the phone's ARM processor. If it can play Doom, then why not X-Wing, considering it was released the same time as Doom in 1993. Obviously not the cd collectors edition released later, by why not the original floppy disc version.
Maybe I got some work to do, because it would be an awesome port.
I guess the Mac version of X-Wing would be easier to port, at least I think it would. Just got to find me the old floppy Mac version and dust off my programming skills that I last used in probably 1999 with some C++!
The problem is finding somebody willing/interested in such a project. Coding for ARM is different than your x86. smaller cache, more registers, etc. It's a new way of thinking.
SiXiam said:
After playing some Doom on my G1 (Scheff's Blend) it got me thinking about the limits of the phone's ARM processor. If it can play Doom, then why not X-Wing, considering it was released the same time as Doom in 1993. Obviously not the cd collectors edition released later, by why not the original floppy disc version.
Maybe I got some work to do, because it would be an awesome port.
I guess the Mac version of X-Wing would be easier to port, at least I think it would. Just got to find me the old floppy Mac version and dust off my programming skills that I last used in probably 1999 with some C++!
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Someone was able to port quake3 running at 30FPS (not even optimized yet.) I forgot where the video was. But im sure X-wing should be an easier task if anyone is up to the challenge
SiXiam said:
After playing some Doom on my G1 (Scheff's Blend) it got me thinking about the limits of the phone's ARM processor. If it can play Doom, then why not X-Wing, considering it was released the same time as Doom in 1993. Obviously not the cd collectors edition released later, by why not the original floppy disc version.
Maybe I got some work to do, because it would be an awesome port.
I guess the Mac version of X-Wing would be easier to port, at least I think it would. Just got to find me the old floppy Mac version and dust off my programming skills that I last used in probably 1999 with some C++!
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Is it open source? Doom, quake, etc. are open source and therefore possible to "port". Closed source programs would require an emulator and would therefore be stupidly slow, especially if compiled for different CPUs.
Well I stumbled upon this thread:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=147798
Apparently the easiest solution is to use the Linux version of DosBox, combined with X-Wing.
I managed to find/acquire the old floppy disk version of the game (from 1993) and I just have to manage to get DosBox working on the G1...
And pray that it has enough ARM power to play it...
Hi all, I've come across a free fake iphone, one of those generic ones. Looks just like a real one except it runs a different OS. I was wondering if someone here might know some clever ways of installing Android on it? I assume since it's a knock-off, that it must be running some sort of linux based OS?
P.S. Dunno if this is posted in the right spot.
I've been hunting around for any development progress for the K900 when I stumbled across this (Along with rumors of Wine for android x86 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GT9lZDplJ8
The title translates to " Launching Ubuntu x86 + Wine under Android x86"
I know amost nothing about VNC but I'm guessing he did something similar to this but perhaps using ubuntu touch?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1966984
I'm trying to figure out if this is a worthwile way to run old windows games on a phone, rather than using QEMU on my Note 2. Are there any advantages to this? Or should I stick with QEMU until the next generation of intel phones are out?
My experience with Wine has been very positive, generally being more stable than running the games in Windows had ever been. I'd imagine that keeping everything x86 the whole way is probably good. QEMU has been slow enough and the reliability has been spotty enough to the point where I generally dont bother anymore. =(
Thank you for sharing this! i really, really hope they will continue developing this for our razr i!!
I've managed to do the same on my Orange San Diego.
If I remember correctly, I just followed the tutorials for installing ubuntu in chroot on android, but I used a x86 image instead of an arm image. Can't remember if I had to do custom stuff.
Then it was basically installing wine, like you'd do on an Ubuntu pc.
Wine worked, but Vmware/virtualbox didn't (I guess it's because ubuntu ran in chroot). I was/am hoping to run a full windows on a phone, but no-one seems to be interested in it, and I don't have the skills/knowledge to do it
Since this phone has an unlocked bootloader, you'll probably be able to install ubuntu directly (without chroot) (good chance you'll find a step by step guide for this phone), so maybe you could run vmware/vbox too. Can't try that on my orange, since it has a locked bootloader, and it doesn't look like it's getting unlocked any time soon.
If any developer would be able to have a look at this...? I'd change phones if someone managed to get it up and running, I'd guess
Terror Factor, How are speed and stability when running Ubuntu/wine through chroot?
I think there were some people trying to dual boot. I think there are probably some serious obstacles though. I belive this particular chipset has a proprietary driver which could make it difficult to use. The next generation of phones will use what is basically intels integrated grapics on a soc. Those might be the first to be able to dual boot a full desktop os. There is a phone out now in China, the K900 that uses the updated clovertrail plus chip that is supposed to be linux compatible. But it still seems to have a Power VR chip for grapics =(
Other than that. I could see there being issues with perhaps drive partitioning and installing the boot loader (grub, etc). I suppose it also depends how the boot sytem works. I don't belive phones use any type of BIOS. I dunno.
Fujistsu makes a phone/computer (loox f-07c) that runs full windows. It's kind of a bulky and inelegant solution though.
I can't remember any stability issues, but it's been a few months and I only messed around with it for maybe half an hour after it was installed (noticed I couldn't run virtualbox/vmware, so I was a whole lot less interested). The stock apps that came with wine worked fine (notepad for example). I can't remember if I installed anything else in wine though.
That Fujitsu is pretty big, and quite outdated hardware wise. Might be worth buying if I could find a cheap one on ebay, but battery life will probably suck and I am guessing it'll be way to expensive for what it is.
Once the intel cpu's are getting more popular for smartphones, I am guessing we'll eventually see a full desktop OS on one of them. That might be a year or two though, I'm afraid
I would like to see Ubuntu running native on OUYA but my knowledge about porting Linux of any kind to other devices is simply not existant.
Is there anyone able and willing to do it? I think it should be relatively easy to do if you use ubuntu touch for asus transformer infinity (tf700t) to start because it also uses tegra 3 t33 as SoC. The touch enviroment obviously doesn't have to work so if you got time left you could do a preinstalled with KDE for good performance experience.
If tools like CWM or a cyanogenmod are helpfull you should go to the OUYA section of this wonderfull forum, they are avaliable right now.
Thanks for reading. Klindworth
Klindworth said:
I would like to see Ubuntu running native on OUYA but my knowledge about porting Linux of any kind to other devices is simply not existant.
Is there anyone able and willing to do it? I think it should be relatively easy to do if you use ubuntu touch for asus transformer infinity (tf700t) to start because it also uses tegra 3 t33 as SoC. The touch enviroment obviously doesn't have to work so if you got time left you could do a preinstalled with KDE for good performance experience.
If tools like CWM or a cyanogenmod are helpfull you should go to the OUYA section of this wonderfull forum, they are avaliable right now.
Thanks for reading. Klindworth
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Ubuntu touch was designed for Mobile devices.. OUYA requires you to have a display like a TV or a monitor, if you know where I'm going with this then what you're asking to be done is the same as running Android on a desktop. Just get the normal Ubuntu that's designed for desktops and laptops. Ubuntu touch is only for small devices.
There is no "normal" preinstalled Desktop version of ubuntu with bootloader out there for the OUYA.
Ubuntu touch is still a real linux just with a different kernel like the ARM server editions and another GUI optimized for touch
or am i mistaken?
The benefit of ubuntu touch is the optimized kernel for ARM SOCs like Tegra3 not OMAP 3 or OMAP 4 or the TI ARM structures. With a lot of time and reading and searching i think i should be able to compile one or i could use the kernels already made by canicoal.
Uninstall the touch stuff an installing an alternative GUI and so on shouldn't be the problem.
My biggest Problem is to get it running without an proper boot.img.
Ouya has, like other Android devices, no real bios or efi and the only way i know to change the OS is via ADB in combination with CWM an fastboot to change the system data and the boot.img.
So if anyone knows how to port it i (and many other ouya owners) would be really greatfull if someone would take the time to port a version of ubuntu to the ouya and ubuntu touch seems to be the easiest option.
A tutorial to boot any linux natively on ouya(not chroot or something like that) and change the bootloader would also do it but it would be a lot of work to write one for retards like me
Klindworth said:
There is no "normal" preinstalled Desktop version of ubuntu with bootloader out there for the OUYA.
Ubuntu touch is still a real linux just with a different kernel like the ARM server editions and another GUI optimized for touch
or am i mistaken?
The benefit of ubuntu touch is the optimized kernel for ARM SOCs like Tegra3 not OMAP 3 or OMAP 4 or the TI ARM structures. With a lot of time and reading and searching i think i should be able to compile one or i could use the kernels already made by canicoal.
Uninstall the touch stuff an installing an alternative GUI and so on shouldn't be the problem.
My biggest Problem is to get it running without an proper boot.img.
Ouya has, like other Android devices, no real bios or efi and the only way i know to change the OS is via ADB in combination with CWM an fastboot to change the system data and the boot.img.
So if anyone knows how to port it i (and many other ouya owners) would be really greatfull if someone would take the time to port a version of ubuntu to the ouya and ubuntu touch seems to be the easiest option.
A tutorial to boot any linux natively on ouya(not chroot or something like that) and change the bootloader would also do it but it would be a lot of work to write one for retards like me
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Why would anyone want a mobile operating system on a device like that... Yes, Ubuntu Touch is still real Linux but if you wanna get an OS on OUYA that was designed for small screens and touch then be my guest.. And there already is Ubuntu desktop versions for ARM. You're better off getting the ARM version, stripping it down and putting a simple GUI.
Didn't find a Tegra3 optimized arm version yet and don't know which arm kernel version would be completely compatible. is a kernel optimized for cortex A9 enough? Link??
also the problem of no working bootloader still isn't solved.
would be fine with me if someone would port that. all i want is a working linux port for ouya
darkforester67 said:
Why would anyone want a mobile operating system on a device like that... Yes, Ubuntu Touch is still real Linux but if you wanna get an OS on OUYA that was designed for small screens and touch then be my guest.. And there already is Ubuntu desktop versions for ARM. You're better off getting the ARM version, stripping it down and putting a simple GUI.
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I would like to point out he is saying to change the desktop environment to run something more desktop friendly
Although the only environment I know of is a buggy version of unity from the Ubuntu ARM days...there might be gnome as well, if you look through the Backtrack and Kali sources
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Klindworth said:
Didn't find a Tegra3 optimized arm version yet and don't know which arm kernel version would be completely compatible. is a kernel optimized for cortex A9 enough? Link??
also the problem of no working bootloader still isn't solved.
would be fine with me if someone would port that. all i want is a working linux port for ouya
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You're not going to find a version optimized for Tegra 3 on their site because Ubuntu already recognizes the chip..
I don't wanna sound like an a-hole but the idea is a bit far fetched.. the OS isn't even 100% stable, most core functions are working such as calling, wifi and other stuff.. but okay you get it to work right?, then what?, even if you use a GUI like GNOME which I doubt anybody is gonna want to port (since GNOME is made for desktops and laptops) you're still gonna be very limited. Plus does Ubuntu touch even support HDMI output yet?. There's just too much work for this..
You're not going to find a version optimized for Tegra 3 on their site because Ubuntu already recognizes the chip..
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maybe im dumb but i only find preinstalled ARM edition for servers with omap 3&4 architecture. would you please link the version you think is running? and do i need a boot.img modified for the ouya? if i need one, can you provide one or know somebody who can do it?
Someone is getting close to bring fully functional native Debian to the OUYA. Can't wait until all mayor issues are fixed :victory:
http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2013/08/11/debian-on-ouya/
Isn't it as easy as taking an iso and turning it into a cwm bootanle zop and adding controller support?
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If you know how to do it try it and post the results. I think there should be some issues otherwise Linux distros for OUYA would be accessable and widely spread.
But knowing the issues could help someone else to figure out how to do it right. So, as I said, please try and post the results.