I don't understand why many Developers work on the 2.1 roms when the g1 is no match to the processes of those phones who actually run on them? I know they want the biggest and baddest thing out their on their g1 but it doesn't even have a match towards the droid or the legend. Why don't devs perfect something that is closer to the Ram and rom of the g1? Hero isnt that far off but it seems that it lost interest when these slower and unstable roms came out.
*I'm not trying to start a flame war but I just don't understand the concept of the reason behind. Nor Am I a dev to talk about what they can/can't do in their own free times. I love all of the work that the DEVs have done towards the community so don't take that against me*
Mast3rmatt said:
I don't understand why many Developers work on the 2.1 roms when the g1 is no match to the processes of those phones who actually run on them? I know they want the biggest and baddest thing out their on their g1 but it doesn't even have a match towards the droid or the legend. Why don't devs perfect something that is closer to the Ram and rom of the g1? Hero isnt that far off but it seems that it lost interest when these slower and unstable roms came out.
*I'm not trying to start a flame war but I just don't understand the concept of the reason behind. Nor Am I a dev to talk about what they can/can't do in their own free times. I love all of the work that the DEVs have done towards the community so don't take that against me*
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It's the demand and it has been like this since Cupcake.
When we all had RC33 we all were dying for Cupcake.
Haykuro came around with an HTC version of it and people loved it!
Then it got old when Donut started to come around and devs were working on that.
Now we have Donut and Eclair is just around the corner. Guess what? Same thing.
There are dozens of Donut roms out there. Why would we want another? The most popular ones would be Cyanogen and SuperD.
Sure there are several Eclair roms but hardly any of them is as stable as our Donut roms. That's why.
This donut is getting stale and moldy, we're baking a batch of eclairs and your wondering why our mouths are watering?
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Any of you devs, G1 users ever get bored of the ROMS ran sometimes? I mean yeah I get excited when cyan posts a new rom, etc.. But wouldn't you want to see something NEW? Not hero.. not cupcake, anything? lol any devs thought about making there OWN rom?
I think devs have a handful working off of cupcake and hero roms already but making their own roms? That's basically what they're doing and I'm sure it would be a lot more work =P But maybe someone is brave enough!
I mean make there own ROM.
Like theres
Cupcake
Donut
Hero
Ophone (in dev.)
why not create there own?
Not "Modify/improve"
The problem is, though... any of these new "cool" apps that would set apart one ROM from another would simply get uploaded to the market. What really sets Hero apart from the others is that it is simply a bunch of extra apps pre-installed onto Android 1.5 with a few tweaks here and there to make it work. (The boot screen is the first thing that comes to mind with me. ) If it wasn't designed to be so hardware dependent (and even so, it's not all that hardware dependent other than the needy RAM requirements.), or was more modular (not requiring anything other than it's own code), they could technically have it downloadable via The Market. So really, the ROM development we're seeing is probably gonna be as about as cool as it gets. I'd like to see the devs joining forces and putting out ultra-lightweight, high-speed, highly usable, and feature rich app packages (e.g. the updated launcher minus the development bugs lol) that only those as smart as us would be able to install. That would be cool.
Well they all need a place to build off of and that's where cupcake comes in...You can't create a totally *new* ROM, well you can but the amount of work and time that takes is probably unimaginable.
G1-evolve said:
I mean make there own ROM.
Like theres
Cupcake
Donut
Hero
Ophone (in dev.)
why not create there own?
Not "Modify/improve"
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no offense...but I don't think you understand what you're asking for.
the state of android as it is today is the result of millions of man hours from hundreds (if not thousands) of developers.
if someone created their "own" rom, it wouldn't be android any longer.
further, the linux kernel code is the result of decades of progress
So I reserved my Hero from Sprint but going through the forums so far I'm a bit hesitant now. There doesn't appear to be that many mods (only a few really) so far for the Hero. Is that because the device is so new and I should just give it time or is it that the device really isn't that popular of an Android phone so I shouldn't hold my breath for more customizable features? Also of all the hacks/mods they are so far for the European version of the phone and there is no telling if any of them will work on the Sprint or American version so that even further lowers my chances of people releasing good Quality hacks/mods for it. The main reason I wanted an Android phone was because of the customizable interface and the theming and skinning possibilities; I just want to make sure I'm not shooting my self in the foot by making the Hero my Android phone of choice.... Any suggestions?
-Michael
The only real "issue" with regard to the European/Worldwide Hero at present is the lack of kernel source, which makes certain modifications difficult. I'd expect this to change very quickly when the source is finally released.
However, this doesn't really help you much at present as the Sprint Hero is very much an unknown quantity. Until such time as some US devs get their hands on one, we won't know what is or isn't possible to do with the Sprint Hero.
Given your concerns, I'd probably be inclined to wait at least a month before getting one so that you can see what the state of play is with regard to rooting and custom ROMs for the Sprint Hero.
Regards,
Dave
I feel the same except I did go out and upgrade from a customisable G1 to a stale Hero. However I playing the long game tbh, think about it.... the hero as shipped by the bucket load plus at the moment its very hard to cook for a fresh because of the lack of kernel source, once thats release its going to be open season! And remember the hero is a great phone in it own.
How do you like your Hero? I"m currently using an iPhone and while I'm not getting rid of the iPhone because I really do enjoy the phone, I'm really looking forward to the customizability of the Hero and Sense UI even without the hacks.
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plus at the moment its very hard to cook for a fresh because of the lack of kernel source, once thats release its going to be open season!
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How long do you think it'll be before the source is released? What's the precedent with other Android phones? Do you think because it's Sprint's first Android phone that they would take a twice as much time or even longer before releasing the code?
I believe that HTC have to release kernel source at some point which will enable most of us to cook its all just a matter of time. Plus remember how many hero's there are out there, I would think theres alot more than say G1's?
short notice: the hero is one awesome phone even not rooted. i didn't play around with the stock rom (1.76 for t-mobile germany) for long, but even that wasn't bad. MCR2.3 makes it just more awesome. i would buy it again, even if it wasn't rootable at the moment.
I am a semi noob at this. I have been following and flashing since the g1 came out, but there are a few things I never quite understood.
First. When going from 1.5 to 1.6 or to 2.0 what is it that I'm updating exactually? Is it just another rom or is ther more to it?
Second, what makes roms "slow"? I know most of the hardware is the same from one phone to another, or at least in terms of speed. But even the fastist hero rom is still slugish compaired to roms like xRom. So far the new 1.6 rom is the fastist my phone has been since root.
I'm not trying to discredit the devs, cuz I love what they are doing for android. I just want to be able to better understand the why,. Thank you
Please no flaming, simple answers (cuz its made for a diffrent phone), and last please break it down barney style.
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I am a semi noob at this. I have been following and flashing since the g1 came out, but there are a few things I never quite understood.
First. When going from 1.5 to 1.6 or to 2.0 what is it that I'm updating exactually? Is it just another rom or is ther more to it?
Second, what makes roms "slow"? I know most of the hardware is the same from one phone to another, or at least in terms of speed. But even the fastist hero rom is still slugish compaired to roms like xRom. So far the new 1.6 rom is the fastist my phone has been since root.
I'm not trying to discredit the devs, cuz I love what they are doing for android. I just want to be able to better understand the why,. Thank you
Please no flaming, simple answers (cuz its made for a diffrent phone), and last please break it down barney style.
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Well you hit the nail on the head talking about the UI being made for a different device. Sense UI is not designed for the dream, therefore you are running a "ported" version of the UI. This will of course make things slower than if it was running on the intended device.
As far as hardware goes, the hardware is extremely different in many phones that are out. That will cause the phone to operate differently and reaction times will be based on the RAM and available internal memory, as well as the processor (the same way it would be in a computer).
As far as the different versions of android. It's just like going from windows xp to vista to windows 7, or from Mac OSX to snow leaopard. It's the same principal. The OS has received updates to make it more functional.
Hope this has helped.
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I am a semi noob at this. I have been following and flashing since the g1 came out, but there are a few things I never quite understood.
First. When going from 1.5 to 1.6 or to 2.0 what is it that I'm updating exactually? Is it just another rom or is ther more to it?
Second, what makes roms "slow"? I know most of the hardware is the same from one phone to another, or at least in terms of speed. But even the fastist hero rom is still slugish compaired to roms like xRom. So far the new 1.6 rom is the fastist my phone has been since root.
I'm not trying to discredit the devs, cuz I love what they are doing for android. I just want to be able to better understand the why,. Thank you
Please no flaming, simple answers (cuz its made for a diffrent phone), and last please break it down barney style.
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Numbers 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.0 refers to the version of android. its similar to xp vs. vista vs. win7
Latest is 2.0 but its not fully ported for dream due to missing drivers.
theres no single factor that makes it slow. the hardware that hero roms run on have 96mb more ram than what the g1 has (its a different phone)
edit: rp beat me to it lol
before the stones start getting thrown, im new to the android world but no the xda one. im using the search functions, im reading my a-z guides... but one thing that keeps coming up over and over with some modifcations is the dependance of a Cyanogen rom.
i do not yet understand why? is there something added to his roms that differ from everyone elses?
examples the 720p recording specifices his rom, some of the overclocking requires his roms...
who knows, maybe its something simple and at the time the tutorials were written he was just the only rom in town, and now that others are out, the steps just havent been updated?
anyone willing to shed a lil light on the subject?
He and his team are behind MANY updates to stock Android. A LOT of features are added. Some of the updates require those features, and some were just integrated.
This was more true in 2.1 days, less true now.
When I had the myTouch his roms were THE roms to use (for me). They were the fastest and most stable of the ones that I tried. I tried a few others but ended coming back to his every time. He seems to emphasize speed and reliability over whiz bang stuff you can't always use.
He backported a lot of the eclair features into donut and later got a very nice build of eclair running for the myTouch. I'll be trying out his N1 build of the 6.0 series when it goes release for sure.
There was such a good selection on the desire.there appears to be such a limited selection on the galaxy s...none seem that good.
Can people recommend which is best and why? Looking for a fast and stable rom.
My rom is xxjm1 by the way.
Not yet, stock is still the most trouble free for now. Won't last long though.
Its my understand (and hopefullness) that most devs FroYo. Most (if not all) are just themed and optimized roms at the moment.
We want froyo !
Yes, most devs are waiting for froyo, just because everyone will want to upgrade, and there is just no justification to make a custom rom with 2.1 just for a few weeks.
Have you not tried SamSet? Dude there are about 4 different Custom ROMs on XDA :| how can you say there are no good ones as you haven't even tried any?
Devs are waiting for FroYo and Cyanogen Mod, that'll increase the ROM majority. The Desire has FroYo (Official) AND Cyanogen Mod, so there are tons of ROMs. Stock isn't the best atm, SamSets is the best for now.
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Have you not tried SamSet? Dude there are about 4 different Custom ROMs on XDA :| how can you say there are no good ones as you haven't even tried any?
Devs are waiting for FroYo and Cyanogen Mod, that'll increase the ROM majority. The Desire has FroYo (Official) AND Cyanogen Mod, so there are tons of ROMs. Stock isn't the best atm, SamSets is the best for now.
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first off, 4 roms is nothing.
Secondly, setzuna or whatever he is called produced a bog standard rom for the desire.
I want quality original roms. Hopefully asop pure roms like cyanogen.
The galaxy s roms are poop at the moment.
Really...
Desire has 6month head start, also helps when the desire is clone of nexus one which is reference dev gadget so what do you expect. Have look at other latest devices that came out in last 2 months and tell me if they even have roms yet, you have been spoilt.
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Agreed, ROM selection for the Hero (my last phone) were much better. I've tried HackEclair, Doc's StockRomMod and SamSet (currently the one I'm using).
From reading the forums, it really does look like all the devs are just waiting on the official Froyo release. I also read somewhere that the ROMs must be based off of official firmwares or else they won't work, which would make sense why it's difficult to get Sense-like interfaces on the phone.
Either way, it's only a few weeks - if that - until the official Froyo!
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first off, 4 roms is nothing.
Secondly, setzuna or whatever he is called produced a bog standard rom for the desire.
I want quality original roms. Hopefully asop pure roms like cyanogen.
The galaxy s roms are poop at the moment.
Really...
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Seriously? did you not even read my post at all?
you CAN'T produce a 'bog' standard ROM for the SGS yet, It's been done for the other Galaxy S version(s) (ASOP ROM) but that's in BETA stage and some features don't even work. We have to wait for Cyanogen.
If you really want 'quality' original ROMs make them yourself. The devs here do it in their free time and aren't doing this to tailor your every suit and need, and you don't pay them for it and they do it out of sole interest. SetENZA makes ROMs because he obviously enjoys it and the challenge, and shares it with the community, and you can't compare the SGS and Desire development, they're both entirely different and the SGS is newer, meaning the Desire has more backing.
How are they 'poop' if you haven't even tested a single custom ROM?
I agree that we need more development but seriously, if you are implying that no dev is making a good custom ROM at the moment then you are VERY wrong. SamSet is the most stable one for now, DocRambone is stripped entirely so check his ROMs out. You need to read up a bit more, we all know that there is slow ROM development and for a REASON.
Hurry up Sammy.
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Seriously? did you not even read my post at all?
you CAN'T produce a 'bog' standard ROM for the SGS yet, It's been done for the other Galaxy S version(s) (ASOP ROM) but that's in BETA stage and some features don't even work. We have to wait for Cyanogen.
If you really want 'quality' original ROMs make them yourself. The devs here do it in their free time and aren't doing this to tailor your every suit and need, and you don't pay them for it and they do it out of sole interest. SetENZA makes ROMs because he obviously enjoys it and the challenge, and shares it with the community, and you can't compare the SGS and Desire development, they're both entirely different and the SGS is newer, meaning the Desire has more backing.
How are they 'poop' if you haven't even tested a single custom ROM?
I agree that we need more development but seriously, if you are implying that no dev is making a good custom ROM at the moment then you are VERY wrong. SamSet is the most stable one for now, DocRambone is stripped entirely so check his ROMs out. You need to read up a bit more, we all know that there is slow ROM development and for a REASON.
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hi,
Please don't make these assumptions. I have tried a couple of the roms and am back to my original stock rom now because none of them seem better than it.
I also wasn't suggesting that people weren't making roms or that things won't get better. I am just disappointed its taking a long time. I had good 2.1 roms within a month of me having a desire, asop 2.2 within 2 months.
Anyhow, the roms have a long way to go it seems... They aren't the best at the moment but I'm sure they will be great soon enough.
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hi,
Please don't make these assumptions. I have tried a couple of the roms and am back to my original stock rom now because none of them seem better than it.
I also wasn't suggesting that people weren't making roms or that things won't get better. I am just disappointed its taking a long time. I had good 2.1 roms within a month of me having a desire, asop 2.2 within 2 months.
Anyhow, the roms have a long way to go it seems... They aren't the best at the moment but I'm sure they will be great soon enough.
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Okay, fair enough
Yeah but with patience we will see a fair share of ROMs in the next month, i guess these things take time, the Desire did get pretty popular though as it is HTC and Samsung is known for being crap with updates, but now the SGS is getting better and slowly it will overtake the Desire, i assure you.
Once Froyo is released, i think we can expect more than 4 ROMs
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Okay, fair enough
Yeah but with patience we will see a fair share of ROMs in the next month, i guess these things take time, the Desire did get pretty popular though as it is HTC and Samsung is known for being crap with updates, but now the SGS is getting better and slowly it will overtake the Desire, i assure you.
Once Froyo is released, i think we can expect more than 4 ROMs
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Impt point to note is when Froyo is released by Samsung, because Samsung is known for its delays and lack of enthusiasm, that we all take for granted from HTC =( I miss my HD2 and Desire
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Impt point to note is when Froyo is released by Samsung, because Samsung is known for its delays and lack of enthusiasm, that we all take for granted from HTC =( I miss my HD2 and Desire
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Disagreed.
Yes, Samsung has been crap in the past but with this phone they're pushing a lot out. We are yet to see how they respond to the Froyo update and how they maintain it, so you may be right, but i think that in this case Samsung will release it and *hopefully* maintain it, if not then XDA is here to maintain all phones, of course
HD2 has potential for Android as it's been ported, but WinMo is horrible and the Sense interface just makes it that little bit better, so glad i ditched WinMo for Android. Desire is awesome but the inferior screen and sensitivity made me get the SGS because the hardware is just that little bit better