Any of you devs, G1 users ever get bored of the ROMS ran sometimes? I mean yeah I get excited when cyan posts a new rom, etc.. But wouldn't you want to see something NEW? Not hero.. not cupcake, anything? lol any devs thought about making there OWN rom?
I think devs have a handful working off of cupcake and hero roms already but making their own roms? That's basically what they're doing and I'm sure it would be a lot more work =P But maybe someone is brave enough!
I mean make there own ROM.
Like theres
Cupcake
Donut
Hero
Ophone (in dev.)
why not create there own?
Not "Modify/improve"
The problem is, though... any of these new "cool" apps that would set apart one ROM from another would simply get uploaded to the market. What really sets Hero apart from the others is that it is simply a bunch of extra apps pre-installed onto Android 1.5 with a few tweaks here and there to make it work. (The boot screen is the first thing that comes to mind with me. ) If it wasn't designed to be so hardware dependent (and even so, it's not all that hardware dependent other than the needy RAM requirements.), or was more modular (not requiring anything other than it's own code), they could technically have it downloadable via The Market. So really, the ROM development we're seeing is probably gonna be as about as cool as it gets. I'd like to see the devs joining forces and putting out ultra-lightweight, high-speed, highly usable, and feature rich app packages (e.g. the updated launcher minus the development bugs lol) that only those as smart as us would be able to install. That would be cool.
Well they all need a place to build off of and that's where cupcake comes in...You can't create a totally *new* ROM, well you can but the amount of work and time that takes is probably unimaginable.
G1-evolve said:
I mean make there own ROM.
Like theres
Cupcake
Donut
Hero
Ophone (in dev.)
why not create there own?
Not "Modify/improve"
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no offense...but I don't think you understand what you're asking for.
the state of android as it is today is the result of millions of man hours from hundreds (if not thousands) of developers.
if someone created their "own" rom, it wouldn't be android any longer.
further, the linux kernel code is the result of decades of progress
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I wanted to throw this in the development forum as I feel it pertains to such but I didnt want to risk a ban
So MobileCrunch tells me that donut may not make it to the Dream. I feel it is safe to assume that the modders here would be able to make it fit, am I right?
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I wanted to throw this in the development forum as I feel it pertains to such but I didnt want to risk a ban
So MobileCrunch tells me that donut may not make it to the Dream. I feel it is safe to assume that the modders here would be able to make it fit, am I right?
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officially no, by the time it is out the g1 will be obselete and you will probably have a new phone however if i comes out any time soon the devs here will work their magic and port it over.
JJbdoggg said:
officially no, by the time it is out the g1 will be obselete and you will probably have a new phone however if i comes out any time soon the devs here will work their magic and port it over.
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this was proven to be a false statement.. donut will still come to the g1... confirmed on tmobile forums... im looking for the link now
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidDev&thread.id=8520
we already have some of donut so honestly this isn't a big deal unless you don't root your phone
palosjr said:
this was proven to be a false statement.. donut will still come to the g1... confirmed on tmobile forums... im looking for the link now
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidDev&thread.id=8520
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dosent say anyhing about dohnut here is what is there "We plan to continue working with Google to introduce future software updates to the T-Mobile G1. Reports to the contrary are inaccurate." im not saying there will be no updates but im not sure about dohnut according to this article they even had a hard time fitting cupcake on the g1 http://androidandme.com/2009/08/news/the-g1-storage-problem-in-charts-and-numbers/. Although i see your point
The issue seems to be that Android OS is becoming bigger and bigger, and non-rooted G1s are limited by the amount of onboard memory they have. Since most of us here on xda run A2SD ROMs, we will have no problems with Donut stuff. Heck, cyanogen has a lot of Donut stuff already included in his ROMs.
If you don't root your G1, your phone will soon run out of space for the newer versions of the OS.
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The issue seems to be that Android OS is becoming bigger and bigger, and non-rooted G1s are limited by the amount of onboard memory they have. Since most of us here on xda run A2SD ROMs, we will have no problems with Donut stuff. Heck, cyanogen has a lot of Donut stuff already included in his ROMs.
If you don't root your G1, your phone will soon run out of space for the newer versions of the OS.
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yup, exactly
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yup, exactly
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Do you think its possible in the next release or update they would just force apps2sd to create the space they need and obviously create their own tools to maintain it.
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Do you think its possible in the next release or update they would just force apps2sd to create the space they need and obviously create their own tools to maintain it.
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That's something that I've defintally pondered myself. But I don't think they should force, they should give the option. Because some people may not want to buy another SD card..
Best way for it to be done is give you options to install the components you want, i dont use music on my phone i have an mp3 play so would happily swap that for some amazing feature, or simply optimize and release applications
i guess this is on topic since it concerns dream and donut. but to anyone not following cyanogen on twitter. he is pretty damn close to a functioning donut. the last donut he did didn't have any kind of data or signal access and he said that he got mobile data working which is a huge leap forward so maybe we will donut on the g1 soon enough.
just a thought... i wonder if someone could make a spl that got rid of all the unneeded space in cache that is supposed to be for ota updates that would brick the phone? that would be great but i don't see that happening
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Do you think its possible in the next release or update they would just force apps2sd to create the space they need and obviously create their own tools to maintain it.
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the problem is most people wouldnt be able to format to ext2 or 3 and if they remove their sdcard it could break their system (unless they alloww it on fat32)
which almost all other mobile operaing systems do so im sure they could.
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the problem is most people wouldnt be able to format to ext2 or 3 and if they remove their sdcard it could break their system (unless they alloww it on fat32)
which almost all other mobile operaing systems do so im sure they could.
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Yes good point.
My main thing was just that after reading some articles on the topic everything was so glum. Like saying there may not be many more updates. In which i think i would hesitate to buy another product from them if they offer that up as an excuse and quit supporting updates and just move on to the next/ better phone.
From what ive read it really seems like the options are 1. Quit Developing new stuff, or 2. Give root to everyone and move stuff over to the SD. (Maybe im wrong but i think they would need to give us root to move the stuff to the SD).
They could possibly do it by the size of the SD card for the normal user. If its one gig, maybe just apps. If its 8 then apps, cache, audio resources, etc. That would be accpetable IMO.
I need to read up up i have no idea what donut actually is, i have cyan 4.01 but never followed the updates so i have no idea what the features are, etc.
Good day!
So I reserved my Hero from Sprint but going through the forums so far I'm a bit hesitant now. There doesn't appear to be that many mods (only a few really) so far for the Hero. Is that because the device is so new and I should just give it time or is it that the device really isn't that popular of an Android phone so I shouldn't hold my breath for more customizable features? Also of all the hacks/mods they are so far for the European version of the phone and there is no telling if any of them will work on the Sprint or American version so that even further lowers my chances of people releasing good Quality hacks/mods for it. The main reason I wanted an Android phone was because of the customizable interface and the theming and skinning possibilities; I just want to make sure I'm not shooting my self in the foot by making the Hero my Android phone of choice.... Any suggestions?
-Michael
The only real "issue" with regard to the European/Worldwide Hero at present is the lack of kernel source, which makes certain modifications difficult. I'd expect this to change very quickly when the source is finally released.
However, this doesn't really help you much at present as the Sprint Hero is very much an unknown quantity. Until such time as some US devs get their hands on one, we won't know what is or isn't possible to do with the Sprint Hero.
Given your concerns, I'd probably be inclined to wait at least a month before getting one so that you can see what the state of play is with regard to rooting and custom ROMs for the Sprint Hero.
Regards,
Dave
I feel the same except I did go out and upgrade from a customisable G1 to a stale Hero. However I playing the long game tbh, think about it.... the hero as shipped by the bucket load plus at the moment its very hard to cook for a fresh because of the lack of kernel source, once thats release its going to be open season! And remember the hero is a great phone in it own.
How do you like your Hero? I"m currently using an iPhone and while I'm not getting rid of the iPhone because I really do enjoy the phone, I'm really looking forward to the customizability of the Hero and Sense UI even without the hacks.
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plus at the moment its very hard to cook for a fresh because of the lack of kernel source, once thats release its going to be open season!
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How long do you think it'll be before the source is released? What's the precedent with other Android phones? Do you think because it's Sprint's first Android phone that they would take a twice as much time or even longer before releasing the code?
I believe that HTC have to release kernel source at some point which will enable most of us to cook its all just a matter of time. Plus remember how many hero's there are out there, I would think theres alot more than say G1's?
short notice: the hero is one awesome phone even not rooted. i didn't play around with the stock rom (1.76 for t-mobile germany) for long, but even that wasn't bad. MCR2.3 makes it just more awesome. i would buy it again, even if it wasn't rootable at the moment.
Now that the whole Cyanogen deal happened I've been having a hard time finding the perfect donut release to follow. Any suggestions? Also what would you guys say to be the most stable Hero to be used day to day at this current time?
This is in the wrong section, but I use KingxKxKlick 1.9
Wrong section....
Yes, this definitely in the wrong section, check out Q&A instead. Soon a mod will fix this, but keep it up, and you'll be temp banned.
That said, CyanMod is still an excellent, stable, fast Donut build. If you're looking to try Hero, I have used about a dozen, and Kingklick's is easily the best, and since about 1.7 has been completely stable--no swap partition or cpu overclocking needed, and it's still so fast it's just disgusting.
Cyanogen is still actively developing his ROM. I would suggest following him on twitter.. @cyanogen
I would suggest that you just keep using Cyanogen. If you have too much trouble installing, just install this version. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569825
In theory, once installed, you can just install Cyan's official updates when he releases them.
With Hero ROMs, I found that in EVERY Hero release people claim its THE best Hero ROM available, so you gonna have to do some flashing to find out for yourself.
Now I use Hero3G UNI, others swear by Evil Hero 3.0 and MLIGN-HeroV2.5.5. These 3 ROM will need different and most likely customized user.conf settings. For Hero3G I found 196 swap w/100 swappiness and CC OFF works best. For Evil Hero you also need 196 swap partition.
kolyan said:
With Hero ROMs, I found that in EVERY Hero release people claim its THE best Hero ROM available, so you gonna have to do some flashing to find out for yourself.
Now I use Hero3G UNI, others swear by Evil Hero 3.0 and MLIGN-HeroV2.5.5
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There are some that are good, but some are the best. It all depends on how it runs on your device and how you config the user.conf.
Just remember, even with Donut, Hero ROMs have a lot of bells and whistles, but still lack core function like BT or Google Voice Support.
Cyan is my recommendation, and cyan is hinting at a very very soon update.
If you want to play with a new toy, try Motoblur, just be aware it lacks wifi.
it all depends on you. right now we have 3 working roms not including the pulse rom.
original android by cyanogen, [everything works]
hero by about 8 people (htcs own google ui), [bluetooth doesnt work, also im noticing flash doesnt either.]
blur [stable but slow, but good for social networks, no wifi]
just download the 3 different roms and test em out, dont just test one hero rom tho test em all and find what you like. but please do post in the q&a.
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Just remember, even with Donut, Hero ROMs have a lot of bells and whistles, but still lack core function like BT or Google Voice Support.
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Google Voice works fine for me on KingKlick's 1.9...
Also, some other Hero threads claim to have bluetooth working, but I have tried them and keep going back to KingKlick because they are all too slow.
I also wouldn't recommend MotoBLUR yet, unless you are very experienced and want to help the devs. It's still waaay experimental, way more than just wifi doesn't work.
But all the Hero/Blur/experimental stuff aside, if you just want a good, stable, feature-rich, fast ROM, stick with Cyanogen. Hate to be so blunt, but he is simply the best.
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Google Voice works fine for me on KingKlick's 1.9...
Also, some other Hero threads claim to have bluetooth working, but I have tried them and keep going back to KingKlick because they are all too slow.
I also wouldn't recommend MotoBLUR yet, unless you are very experienced and want to help the devs. It's still waaay experimental, way more than just wifi doesn't work.
But all the Hero/Blur/experimental stuff aside, if you just want a good, stable, feature-rich, fast ROM, stick with Cyanogen. Hate to be so blunt, but he is simply the best.
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Oh Nice! You can use it with the normal dialer? Not through contacts?
i've been using enomther's donut rom. seems to be working very nicely. haven't used cyan's 'newest' rom because he kept saying 4.2 was around the corner and I kept waiting. Last week also said he had some updates for the .999 build and was going to add another 9, but never released it. Also enom's rom has a hero theme addon for his latest release. Whereas nabzilla is also waiting on cyan's 4.2 to release an updated theme for that.
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Yes, this definitely in the wrong section, check out Q&A instead. Soon a mod will fix this, but keep it up, and you'll be temp banned.
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Dude why u being an ass u r not a moder to treat some1 with perm ban, I think they can deal with this with out.
But yea Cyans roms r good but its been running kinda slow for me so I started flashing
hero roms I tried a few and so far Mlign's worked the best for me. its something u have to find out for urself
I don't understand why many Developers work on the 2.1 roms when the g1 is no match to the processes of those phones who actually run on them? I know they want the biggest and baddest thing out their on their g1 but it doesn't even have a match towards the droid or the legend. Why don't devs perfect something that is closer to the Ram and rom of the g1? Hero isnt that far off but it seems that it lost interest when these slower and unstable roms came out.
*I'm not trying to start a flame war but I just don't understand the concept of the reason behind. Nor Am I a dev to talk about what they can/can't do in their own free times. I love all of the work that the DEVs have done towards the community so don't take that against me*
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I don't understand why many Developers work on the 2.1 roms when the g1 is no match to the processes of those phones who actually run on them? I know they want the biggest and baddest thing out their on their g1 but it doesn't even have a match towards the droid or the legend. Why don't devs perfect something that is closer to the Ram and rom of the g1? Hero isnt that far off but it seems that it lost interest when these slower and unstable roms came out.
*I'm not trying to start a flame war but I just don't understand the concept of the reason behind. Nor Am I a dev to talk about what they can/can't do in their own free times. I love all of the work that the DEVs have done towards the community so don't take that against me*
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It's the demand and it has been like this since Cupcake.
When we all had RC33 we all were dying for Cupcake.
Haykuro came around with an HTC version of it and people loved it!
Then it got old when Donut started to come around and devs were working on that.
Now we have Donut and Eclair is just around the corner. Guess what? Same thing.
There are dozens of Donut roms out there. Why would we want another? The most popular ones would be Cyanogen and SuperD.
Sure there are several Eclair roms but hardly any of them is as stable as our Donut roms. That's why.
This donut is getting stale and moldy, we're baking a batch of eclairs and your wondering why our mouths are watering?
I may be the only one interested in this, and I know its set for froyo 2.2 and not sure if its possible but is there no way to port this back one version? Maybe make it work for us?
I really like the idea and would be disappointed to have to wait the loooooooooong time before 2.2 is ported to G1.
no it uses the new pushy mc jig from froyo
probably could back port the whole framework, but seems like a wast ogf time to me
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I may be the only one interested in this, and I know its set for froyo 2.2 and not sure if its possible but is there no way to port this back one version? Maybe make it work for us?
I really like the idea and would be disappointed to have to wait the loooooooooong time before 2.2 is ported to G1.
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How do you know it will be such a long time?
Depending on the code changes between 2.1 and 2.2, it may be little more than trivial to get 2.2 running.
Also, I suggest that the first step required in either backporting or building a whole system would be to actually wait for the availability of the source code. Then we judge what would be a more efficient use of time -- building a whole system or backporting chunks of it.
2.2 will support the ION, so in turn, it will support the Dream. We just have to WAIT for it, people.
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Just a thought: during the google io presentation of google TV they make a presentation of this feature with the google box in 2.1. So I don't know if the sdk or the source code is published but can't we use that to make it working with eclair roms?
PS: here at 1:30
Time is relative here, by the time a new update is released from modders porting it to another much older phone version a new version is almost ready to be released.
This is not a bad thing and Im not talking down about it ether. But was simply asking the question if it would take too much effort to get just that .apk to work for even 2.1 that is now very stable on the G1.
2.2 was just released, and it will probably take a while to get it stable, to the point where 2.0 or 2.1 is now for the G1 anyways.
I just really like the chrome to phone and think its a super idea. Maybe I'm a bit impatient too.