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Has anybody checked out Microsoft's new mobile site? while working through the various menu options/links... keep an eye on what the programs LOOK like. Outlook, Contacts, Excel, Word, etc all LOOK different to WM6!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/startdoingmore/
I'm guessing this website is based upon WM6.1 ?? Just an idea
Click Start > See the Experience > Stay More Connected and a Kaiser pops up. Its also under the phones section.
Yeah I noticed that!! I wonder why don't they have it listed on the main screen of phones though! oops!!! I take that back! just needed to drag the scroll bar to the right Glen... doh!!
Wow that looks fab. Either it's just fake mockups or it's Photon (windows mobile 7).
Taken from microsoft-watch.com regarding the WM roadmap:
Microsoft is working to deliver Photon, the successor to Crossbow, to cell phone and PDA providers by Q4 2007, and launch it officially in the first or second calendar quarter of 2008, according to slides from a Microsoft official's March TechDays presentation. Photon will include a "new flexible shell, modular containers and the 'Yamazaki' Windows CE kernel," according to information on the slides.
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To be fair, MS need to pull their finger out... although I'd NEVER buy an iPhone, I have to admit my eyes starting watering when I played with it the other day - the OS is beautiful!
Photon will include a "new flexible shell, modular containers and the 'Yamazaki' Windows CE kernel,"
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ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111 4
YAMAZAKI! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111LOL! 4
What the hell is a Yamazaki?
Apparently Windows CE versions from 4.0 onwards are named after whiskeys... and apparently Yamazaki is a whiskey... don't ask me!
CE 6 (Yamazaki)
And Wikipedia has only a small amount of information on Photon:
Windows Mobile
Microsoft is currently working on an upgrade to the Windows Mobile platform codenamed Photon that will be powered by Windows Embedded CE 6.0. Leaked videos of devices running the software show a new graphical interface. The software would merge both Smartphone and Pocket PC versions in one Windows Mobile version - the new interface optimized for both direct touch and button-based interaction, reducing stylus use. Microsoft Photon has been in development since the release of Windows Mobile 5 and is scheduled for release in the first half of 2008.
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See that bit about "direct touch"...
mmm_ok said:
Apparently Windows CE versions from 4.0 onwards are named after whiskeys... and apparently Yamazaki is a whiskey... don't ask me!
CE 6 (Yamazaki)
And Wikipedia has only a small amount of information on Photon:
Windows Mobile
See that bit about "direct touch"...
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Here's to hoping for a free upgrade
I'm sure the ROM cookers on here will make a "free" upgrade ;-)
There is a webcast of Windows CE 6.0 R2 launch this friday morning... although its mainly for the developers, it will still be interesting to see whats truly new in CE that WM will be able to make use of.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/CE6R2LaunchWebcast.mspx
Does anyone know when will MS launch this version of OS ? Really would like to test on it or see how does it looks like..
If I understood it right, is the OS still under development. So you will probably not see much from it untill next year.. I guess
jea in half 2010 is release... win7 mobile vs iphone
it will be f**king good
Microsoft will start sending builds to OEMs to begin testing in Q1 2010. WM7 will be released in Q3 2010. I expect to see builds out sometime in Q1....however, I'm not too sure these builds will run on anything presently out besides the HTC HD2 because the CE kernel would have been recompiled for ARMv7 cores.
and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol
In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7
doesnt the 6.5.1 need to be released first?
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and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol
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Don't forget a few years ago when Ballmer laughed at the iPhone...
I'm not buying one but I would never underestimate the competition whether I was MS, Apple or whoever.
Latests news of wm7 I read is q3 2010 too bad really
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In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7
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why ? where did u get this info ?
Thought I read somewhere b4 that WM7 would require a motion sensor, which X1 doesn't have. But well, I could be wrong.
I think it will be available for xperia, saw a advertisment of the wm 7 on youtube lol guess which phone popped up? x1
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why ? where did u get this info ?
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It's a very technical requirement.
The Windows CE kernel, very integral part of Windows Mobile, is being compiled for ARMv7 for Windows Mobile 7 (thought to be based on CE6.0 or CE7.0). Currently Windows Mobile 6/6.1/6.5, the CE (CE 5.X) kernel is compiled for ARMv6 which runs on many chipsets today (Qualcomm 720X for example).
ARMv7 architectures (ie. Snapdragon, Cortex A8, NVIDIA Tegra) are backwards compatible with ARMv6 which is why the HTC Touch HD2 (Snapdragon) can run Windows Mobile 6.5. However, ARMv6 architectures (X1, TP1/2, Touch HD, etc) are not compatible with ARMv7 code (missing/different instructions).
So unless a very smart cook can somehow recompile code (need the source code) or combine different parts, there will be no WM7 for any current windows mobile device besides the HTC HD2.
x1 didn't get wm6.5 officially if it will get wm7 which will prob not be out until a year from now don't expect it to come from official sources.....
Min requirements for WM7 is 1Ghz CPU (actually because of the instruction set), but also G-sensor and compass. HD2 maybe. Xperia no way.
Well you say processors like Tegre will be able to run WM 7, but i checken and Tegra is still ARM v6...
Anybody has any real source saying Wm 7 will be only for ARMv7?
As for G-semsor multitouch and sucks, that is all softwere, you can turn this things off, so apat from procesor, nothing else matters for WM7 to run X1, onl ARM v6 code is needed, all else can be done by cooking.
brisschris said:
Hello,
I am brisschris.I am new to this site,but I’ve enjoyed posting in your forums.Microsoft confirmed that it is planning for Windows 7 to hit retail shelves and start showing up on new PCs on October 22.To reach that milestone, Microsoft plans to wrap up development of the operating system by the middle or end of next month.The tech guarantee program is not beginning immediately, but Microsoft did raise the possibility it will offer some sort of lower-cost upgrade to those who are already using Windows Vista.it is "Depending on when we do it there will be the associated accounting for it".
Thank you very much and Stay connected with me.
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Uh.... we're talking about Windows Mobile 7, not Windows 7.
Come on Guys!
Please dont speculate about things there was lightyears ahead. Wait untill the time will come. We dont have seen WinMo 6.5 official on X1 yet, therefore we think about other things, which atm is morge important.
with best reguards.
sorry for my poor english
Well lightyears ahead you say, but i am certain i will have WM 7 on Xperia in abaut 3 months XDA does miracles
Certainly the most x1 user will it and im sure that the devs find a way to port it on x1. But except a few screenshots no specification of WinMo 7 was published. Therefore hope that the x1 get an official 6.5 Update. I think, this will reveal the way to WM7.
Any chance of or anyone know how to put win 7 onto my touchpad? I think it would make a great candidate for it.
Not possible natively as W7 doesn't offer an ARM port, unlike W8, which will. Now W7 via an emulator, that is another story.
As tbaker wrote you -
different architecture -
Mac OS & Windows uses x86/x86-64.
Android & iOS uses ARM.
Windows 8 will be also compiled against ARM.
TouchPad is Snapdragon ARM based.
Another thing to keep in mind is how much source is available.
Android is Open-Source from ground so usually once drivers are being written you can get it up & running to some extent.
Not the same with other platforms (Eg. W7 & iOS on Android devices)
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Not possible natively as W7 doesn't offer an ARM port, unlike W8, which will. Now W7 via an emulator, that is another story.
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I bet that would run like a dead dog.
piiman said:
I bet that would run like a dead dog.
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I'd be far more interested in getting Windows 8 (beta/alpha?) on this thing
SynGamer said:
I'd be far more interested in getting Windows 8 (beta/alpha?) on this thing
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229307
W7 would run like absolute garbage on it most likely.
Windows 7 isn't ARM compliant but Windows 7 Compact Embeded is.
oups no it's not.
Sorry, i reboot my brain :
- Windows Embedded Compact 7 can run on ARM, MIPS, x86
- Windows Embedded Standard 7 can run on x86 / x64 only.
- Windows Phone 7 can be an another option to run Windows on HP touchpad...
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I know dos-box already exists, you could probably do qemu under chrooted ubuntu... Windows 7 would probably work, you'd be on the VERY low side of usable ram (~700mb), and I can guarantee it would be so slow that it isn't worth using. A stripped version of XP... might be worth looking into.
Like that :
google "Microsoft shows off Windows Embedded Compact 7 (Windows CE 7) tablet with Metro-Like UI"
Interesting what will it take to get Windows 7 Compact installed on the TP?
More work than its worth.
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I think WP7 would run well on the pad.
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I wonder if Windows Phone 7.5 has the required drivers to run on the touchpad. Ram should be fine as most windows phones are running on 512mb ram
Yes sure, WP7 is based on Windows CE 7.
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I wonder if Windows Phone 7.5 has the required drivers to run on the touchpad. Ram should be fine as most windows phones are running on 512mb ram
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I'm sure it does.
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Windows 7 on the Touchpad - possible or not?
Hey Guys!
As far as I remember...the Touchpad first was designed to be used with Windows 7 (wasn´t it?). After a while they distinguished between the slate and the touchpad...so is it possible, to get Windows 7 working on the Touchpad?
Not in a million years.
Windows 7 won't ever be ported to the ARM architecture.
Windows 8 is possible, but highly unlikely since the ARM version won't be available through retail channels.
Curious to know whether there would any effort to get windows 8 (once they release the ARM preview) running on the nook color? or if anyone would be interested in this?
Midnitte said:
Curious to know whether there would any effort to get windows 8 (once they release the ARM preview) running on the nook color? or if anyone would be interested in this?
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The lack of drivers would make getting Windows 8 on the Nook incredibly difficult, if it'll even meet the minimum specs.
Indeed, but minimum specs shouldn't be a problem, they demonstrated it running on a single core 1 ghz with 1gb of memory.
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Indeed, but minimum specs shouldn't be a problem, they demonstrated it running on a single core 1 ghz with 1gb of memory.
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1ghz arm or 1ghz atom/x86?
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The preview version is only available for x86 and x64 right now. We would need an ARM preview build. I don't know that we'll see that as the ARM version will probably be OEM only (my guess).
I wonder if this would be worth the effort. The ARM tablets are likely to be priced below the iPad which makes them pretty affordable. Also, doesn't Windows 8 require DirectX 11 support?
The previews I saw had them running on AMD fusion processors running DirectX 11 with 2 GB of RAM. Don't know if it's required or not though.
Windows Developer Preview works great on the same hardware that powers Windows Vista and Windows 7:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver
Taking advantage of touch input requires a screen that supports multi-touch
Plan to support ARM in the future but not on the Dev Edition.
Check here for Windows 8 running on ARM
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/14/windows-8-arm-tablets-reference-designs-nvidia-qualcomm-ti-shown/
So hopefully they release an arm version of the peview soon, specially since the arm version requires different apps, no?
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Forget Windows 8 on the Nook Color, it would be too slow anyway. What we need are
1) New Market fixed for CM7!
2) Ice Cream! Since Honeycomb is not going to go to AOSP this side of he-ell.
Homer
Homer_S_xda said:
Forget Windows 8 on the Nook Color, it would be too slow anyway. What we need are
1) New Market fixed for CM7!
2) Ice Cream! Since Honeycomb is not going to go to AOSP this side of he-ell.
Homer
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You hit the nail on the head. Even if we got it on the nook, windows tablet version will be hundreds of megabytes in size just for the rom. IF it did run, highly unlikely considering it will need a whole new set of video, sound and touchscreen driver modifications...the software size alone would choke up the nook. Speed would just not be usable for real world applications.
Why? To run MS Office on Nook Color natively? If yes, then we may all to upgrade our SSD to 64G or more. The existing Developer Preview Edition Bare System eats 10G storage space, not counting additional storage to keep all installed drivers or program libraries.
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Why? To run MS Office on Nook Color natively? If yes, then we may all to upgrade our SSD to 64G or more. The existing Developer Preview Edition Bare System eats 10G storage space, not counting additional storage to keep all installed drivers or program libraries.
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The ARM version is not included in the dev preview and will most likely be much smaller. That being said I still doubt Windows 8 would be a good experience.
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The ARM version is not included in the dev preview and will most likely be much smaller. That being said I still doubt Windows 8 would be a good experience.
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Yes. totally agree with you. But very doubt if existing Win32 applications could be transform to ARM version natively? Or Nokia are going to launch any new toys for Windows mobile soon?
Windows 8 for ARM was demoed back in June for Qualcomm's Snapdragon 3 MSM8060 dev tablet, you can have a look in my blog, the post abound Windows 8 on HP Touchpad. It's not flawless, but not a slouch either. Windows 8 in June was certainly less optimized for ARM than now, that's for sure.
However, as I see it, in 2012 some streamlined/trimmed version of Windows Phone 8 might be available for OMAP3xxx devices (about 5 mln of them, NC included). I wouldn't put much faith in hardware rendering on NC before Jelly Beans, so we'll see.
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very doubt if existing Win32 applications could be transform to ARM version natively
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I believe Microsoft issued a statement to that effect.
I'm running Windows 8 on my nook right now inside a xen hypervisor... It performs okay but sometimes lags when I'm trying to do 3D modeling with Maya. I'd love to share my ROM with you but I don't condone piracy and won't want to violate any NDAs
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I'm running Windows 8 on my nook right now inside a xen hypervisor... It performs okay but sometimes lags when I'm trying to do 3D modeling with Maya. I'd love to share my ROM with you but I don't condone piracy and won't want to violate any NDAs
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At least you could post some screenshots?
Something like windows experience index screen etc..
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gyrfalcon said:
I'm running Windows 8 on my nook right now inside a xen hypervisor... It performs okay but sometimes lags when I'm trying to do 3D modeling with Maya. I'd love to share my ROM with you but I don't condone piracy and won't want to violate any NDAs
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hi gyrfalcon, can you pm me, I really wish to run windows 8 on nook. Please guide me on how to install it.
So windows phone gets a much better SOC. Is it possible to dump windows and install Android on the windows version of the 4s? Sure, the Windows version has a lesser screen but it has more storage and a better SOC.
Anthony Gar said:
So windows phone gets a much better SOC. Is it possible to dump windows and install Android on the windows version of the 4s? Sure, the Windows version has a lesser screen but it has more storage and a better SOC.
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If you want the Idol 4S specs with Android, you might want to check out the Blackberry DTEK60, which runs Android
Anthony Gar said:
So windows phone gets a much better SOC. Is it possible to dump windows and install Android on the windows version of the 4s? Sure, the Windows version has a lesser screen but it has more storage and a better SOC.
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I too am wondering if that is possible. My dad bought this phone with windows but didnt like the OS. He bought a new phone, but im just curious.
I second the notion, Android on the IDOL 4S version with Windows would be sweet, dual boot with both OSs even better!
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So windows phone gets a much better SOC. Is it possible to dump windows and install Android on the windows version of the 4s? Sure, the Windows version has a lesser screen but it has more storage and a better SOC.
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The Idol 4s Windows Phone is identical to the TCL 950 android phone. If they used the same certificates on both versions, flashing will work, if TCL/Alcatel releases firmware.