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O2 Joggler

Here in the UK we have a nice little touchscreen unit called the joggler. We are currently in the early stages of hacking it on our forums. We have managed to get an early working port of Linux on it but, it seems made to run Android. We have made some progress, and seems to be running fluidly apart from a graphics glitch. As most people in here are Android wizards, I thought this would be the perfect place to ask.
(I have a nexus one running Modaco A21),
Not sure if i'm allowed to post the address
joggler dot info
and if not please remove and my apologies.
thanks

Any of you Guru's any idea. It basically duplicates the screen side by side with messed up colours.
Thanks

i fancy one of them jogglers but not sure.
For £50 with wifi its a bit of a bargain, hack it for a picture frame and your sorted!
Found a bit more:
"The O2 Joggler is a very nice bit of hardware. It has a beautiful hi-res touchscreen, 512mb of RAM, a dual core intel atom processor and 1gb of built memory. Not to mention WiFi, ethernet and USB connectivity."
http://hackthejoggler.blogspot.com/ ^^^
flyboy

Wow, I'd glanced at it but hadn't given it a second thought. Imagine Eclair on that thing, it would rock! Any idea of the screen res?

800x480
is the res
flyboy

50 euro on contract?

£50! I think thats just for the unit.
flyboy

flyboyovyick2k9 said:
£50! I think thats just for the unit.
flyboy
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yeah what is what i am asking can you get one for 50 euro out right. or is it 50 euro when you sign a contract?

No contract. Its a stand alone device.

Great Car PC I would think. It needs mains support constantly though which is why I haven't purchased one.

its looks cool

one of the guys (KeithOMS) has got Android x86 booting now but no wifi and fairly slow (as you can see).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7kqMypFVlc
Saying that, not bad for a piece of kit that costs £50

I would love to get Android on my Joggler.
This device was made for Android Gonna watch this space.

I think this thread should be for joggler hacking!
flyboy

what cpu is it based on? where are the hardware specs?
nvm i found that. intel atom.
is there a windows xp driver for the touch screen?
does it support charging over usb? is it compatible with north american ac power plugs?

also look at this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ZV7aD2Wak&feature=youtu.be

The joggler really needs a battery internal!!
Then it would be ultimate mid!!!
For those about to hack. We salute you!:
Link for ubuntu on jog:
http://magician.gforums.de/wiki/index.php5?title=UNE_Installation
There's a few youtube vids as well:
Found another showing remote destop with win 7 using windows media centre:
flyboy

^^what there is no internal battery? it is not a portable device?

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^^what there is no internal battery? it is not a portable device?
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No it's meant for home, mind you sure that there is a way to power while on the move.

Is it something like an inch thick?
And a battery wont be that hard to make. I mean from other batterys, connecting them together.
flyboy

Recommended Laptop for me -)

Hello Guys ,
I 'd like to buy one laptop. Price should be around 1100 - 1200 $
Hmm I myself very much freak about technology or gadgets.
I'd like to have good processor first of all, Good RAM, Hard drive should be minimum 350/500 GB, Good graphic cards i guess at least 1GB
Dell, Sony , HP are my Choices But i've heard HP battery life is poor Is there any other good brands out there that i don't know .. i need good battery back up
What is the best brand in laptops according to you guys ?
Recommended me some nice laptops out there I will be very thankful .

maheshpatel said:
Dell, Sony , HP are my Choices
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my respect for u was multiplied by zero when i saw this
ud deserve a macbook

What no Sony???????
oh well still dell is nice, what are you looking for it to do? Business? Everyday stuff? Gaming? What about screen size?
Try alienware, its made by dell and it is my personal choice. Definitly not for Business but more for awesome looking design. Check it.
http://www.alienware.com/

why not sony?

I've always heard toshiba makes awesome laptops. That's what I'm going to get when I get my tax return
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souljaboy said:
my respect for u was multiplied by zero when i saw this
ud deserve a macbook
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I like Macbook but Macbook is complicated I can't play blu ray videos n i guess so on I prefer windows though i like Macbook
kevina90 said:
What no Sony???????
oh well still dell is nice, what are you looking for it to do? Business? Everyday stuff? Gaming? What about screen size?
Try alienware, its made by dell and it is my personal choice. Definitly not for Business but more for awesome looking design. Check it.
http://www.alienware.com/
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I like Sony but Sony is also not good in battery life. Which series should i go for if i buy a sony laptop .? I 'm looking for essential use like everyday stuff , bit gaming , Screen size 14 , 15, 17 inch is Okay
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why not sony?
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I dont know what model to buy in sony they all making me confuse

@ - orkillakilla
Toshiba is something that i've never try

Whoa... just saw that you are currently in Tianjin... How's the weather there buddy?
Anyway, from the perspective of a laptop sufferer until he finally refused to use a laptop unless under extreme duress: Lenovo Thinkpad T-series. 1,000 to 1,200 USD is not much to splurge, and you can't go wrong with a Thinkpad T-series(note that it must be the Thinkpad T-series models).
Why do I recommend this series?
1. Solid build. The T series was built for business, it is designed rugged. I used to throw my company's T61 around for fun and it never broke.
2. [Insert]-[Delete]-[Home]-[End]-[PgUp]-[PgDown] cluster is very similar to a full-sized keyboard. It's a lifesaver for the spreadsheet users.
3. The red nipple mouse. Often times I've used this to great satisfaction. As a pointing device, that is. It works quite well when surfing for... stuff
4. Industrial design harks back to the IBM days, when the ThinkPad was the gold standard for business laptops.
But as a business level laptop, it is quite pricey, but the build and the ergonomics are superb for a laptop. Also, the eye-candy is nothing to be proud of, but you get a solidly understated machine. So, if you have the cash to splurge a little and you're looking for a Windows laptop that lasts, go for the T-series.
I'd have gone for it if I wasn't so tied down with my desktop. My company's T-61 lasted for 2 years of abuse before I had to give it back. Completely battered, but never broken. Contrast this to my colleagues' HP which had at least 10% failure rate, the T-series was pretty darn good.
GPU might be a problem because the business-minded T-series only has a 512mb GPU from NVidia. But why are you gaming on the laptop anyway

maheshpatel said:
I like Macbook but Macbook is complicated
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MacaronyMax said:
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Well, show me how would you overclock your GPU on a MacBook. Show me! Can it run Crysis? Can it!
^Nerd-rage for the lulz

@ - sakai4eva
Hey , Thanks buddy for replying ye Tianjin weather is not that bad these days , but it got windy few days back and damn freezing
ya my one of my friend is using lenova N series since 4 years and its really working great no problem so far . He also recommended me buy lenova. I just check the site it got three categories essential use, Ideapad, thinkpad which one is best ? I like best configuration
Mm i like lenova. they offer really good configuration But Lenova laptops looks is not that much stylish . i don't know much about lenova laptops

MacaronyMax said:
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yeah buddy , really Mac is complicated i guess i think you using Mac . Can you tell me something about Mac OS I'm a windows user since few years I don't know much about Mac OS

maheshpatel said:
@ - sakai4eva
Hey , Thanks buddy for replying ye Tianjin weather is not that bad these days , but it got windy few days back and damn freezing
ya my one of my friend is using lenova N series since 4 years and its really working great no problem so far . He also recommended me buy lenova. I just check the site it got three categories essential use, Ideapad, thinkpad which one is best ? I like best configuration
Mm i like lenova. they offer really good configuration But Lenova laptops looks is not that much stylish . i don't know much about lenova laptops
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Girlfriend is freezing in Beijing, which from my understanding is less than an hour from Tianjin... Gosh she's not used to the weather there...
Thing is, I have to agree with you. It isn't flashy, nor does it have chiclet keyboards and LEDs. But the surface is matte (trust me, you'll hate a glossy surface), and the majority of the parts are well built.
To break down the Lenovo into Pros and Cons:
Pros:
1. Better keyboard ergonomics
2. Trackpad (red nipple!)
3. Solid build
Cons:
1. Business laptop not pretty
2. Poor GPU
Remember, I'm only talking about the T-series, and nothing else

@ - sakai4eva
HaHa ya this time winter got out of control
Mm Thanks bro i will consider about it..Actually Chinese new year is coming so most probably i m going to buy on a new year
By the way i show really good GPU on a lenova site. they offering really Good 1Ghz ATI, Nvidia graphics

maheshpatel said:
@ - sakai4eva
HaHa ya this time winter got out of control
Mm Thanks bro i will consider about it..Actually Chinese new year is coming so most probably i m going to buy on a new year
By the way i show really good GPU on a lenova site. they offering really Good 1Ghz ATI, Nvidia graphics
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But methinks you should try waiting... the Sandy Bridges/AMD Fusion series will provide better gaming performance... but it's up to you... if you keep waiting:
1. Wait for new tech
2. Tech gets launched, wait for reviews from early adopters
3. Tech matures, waiting for a good deal
4. New tech announced, repeat from step one.

TOSHIBA FOR EVER!!!
Bought a dell, and although it hasn't been bad as a computer, i've had to get the mobo repaired twice...
My computer wouldn't charge, faulty power input.

urbanengine1 said:
TOSHIBA FOR EVER!!!
Bought a dell, and although it hasn't been bad as a computer, i've had to get the mobo repaired twice...
My computer wouldn't charge, faulty power input.
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Yeah... heard some months ago the Tosh is quite reliable... but I hate smooth surfaces...

Ehats really pissn me off is how fast laptops get outdated, i got my laptop 2 years ago and last week my dad got a toshiba with same specs AND a better gpu for 300 bucks less...
AARRRGGHHH
Im saving up fir a nice new one though...
On a really offtopic note, what's the best STABLE overclock youve gotten on your desktop?

Sony is notoriously horrid when it comes to support. Also the overall build quality (IMO) is less than stellar for VAIO laptops.
I hate to say it but I would go with a Dell - but I'd wait for the new Intel Sandy Bridge one's to come out.
Also I have worked on a TON of Toshiba Satellites in my time. Easy to work on - easy to restore. But the battery life is so-so.
HP's are nice if you pay the extra money for the higher end models - but oh boy do they lay on the bloat ware. First thing you need to do with any HP Laptop is format and install JUST the OS/Drivers when you get the stupid thing.
Also - HP and Sony laptops typically have horrible 3rd party applications that they use as "overlay" applications to run stuff that is already being done by the OS to "make your life easier" (translate: make it even more confusing and take up unnecessary resources)
If your looking for a laptop in your price range I would do some research - tomshardware, pcmag.. or some site that does hardware reviews. I wouldn't settle for anything less then at least a 17" screen, at least 4-6gigs of RAM, and a 500gig hard drive.
And although a Mac Book is awesome... having to run Apple's OS isn't if your a windows guy. Plus your going to spend twice the dough just to have everything you'll need for it.

@ - avgjoegeek
Thanks bro ya new intel sandy bridge is coming. I probably should wait for new one. but its gonna cost me as high as intel i7 series i guess
I won't buy HP For sure because of battery life. Dell is nice but only in some selected models
I like Macbook but Macbook is overpriced. but worth each penny for sure

Most tempting tablet

Is there a tablet you've seen guts made you stop and say "damn i wish i had one of those"
To tell the truth not many have made me say that since i gott the nook, but the one that has is the saycool m7
I don't have complete specs but:
Accelerometer
3g and wifi
16 gb internal
Micro sd
2 usb ports
Xp but optional upgrade to win 7
Multi-touch 1024x600 touchscreen
Intel atom 1.1 ghz processor (1.2 optional upgrade)
2x speaker and 1 mic
Removable battery
Webcam (albeit a 0.3 mp one)
My favourite 1gig of ddr 2 ram!!
Only weighs about 550 grams
All for only 500 US...
I think the main reason i want it is for the windows os... i love windows...
EDIT: just watched a video, and it also has a touchpad on the back...

Dell Streak 7 I guess. But with Honeycomb. (Xoom etc is too large for me.)
I want a Nook Color with a faster GPU; Dungeon Defenders chops hard once enemies are on the screen. Aside from the GPU, the size is perfect for me.

Apparently it runs faster after overclock... (the game i mean)

Im also a fan of the Streak 7 but i also like the Asus options. transformers might be a bit big for me cause i prefer 7" but with the dock it would be much more productive

XP or Win 7 is just not a touch screen friendly OS...
Sure you can make it work, but...
$500 for an Atom based system....No way...

spikey911 said:
XP or Win 7 is just not a touch screen friendly OS...
Sure you can make it work, but...
$500 for an Atom based system....No way...
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Note that i said it has atouchpad also...
Anyways my friends dad is the regional sales manger for dell, so i've been able to touch a few touchscreen win 7 tablets and netbooks, and they work fine...

I'd really love a 7" version of the Notion Ink Adam, but the 10" version may suffice.
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urbanengine1 said:
Is there a tablet you've seen guts made you stop and say "damn i wish i had one of those"
To tell the truth not many have made me say that since i gott the nook, but the one that has is the saycool m7
I don't have complete specs but:
Accelerometer
3g and wifi
16 gb internal
Micro sd
2 usb ports
Xp but optional upgrade to win 7
Multi-touch 1024x600 touchscreen
Intel atom 1.1 ghz processor (1.2 optional upgrade)
2x speaker and 1 mic
Removable battery
Webcam (albeit a 0.3 mp one)
My favourite 1gig of ddr 2 ram!!
Only weighs about 550 grams
All for only 500 US...
I think the main reason i want it is for the windows os... i love windows...
EDIT: just watched a video, and it also has a touchpad on the back...
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Weird, you don't mention which version of Android it runs.......

paleh0rse said:
I'd really love a 7" version of the Notion Ink Adam, but the 10" version may suffice.
Sent from my Nooted friend...
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I'm also waiting for this to ship and to see comparisons between the two screens. $375 is a great price for the "barebones" unit.

actually there were quite a few until i tried them all. tegra 2 seems all great, but until there's some apps besides benchmarks that really tax it i may have to skip it.
i had the g tablet with a modded rom and while it was snappy the only benefit i got was the smoothest scrolling and super fast app installs (installing multiple apps just zipped on by). i don't play many games on android since there really aren't many good ones for me - i hate angry birds btw.
now the ios - i've bought more apps in the last 2 months for my ipad than i have on android in the last year. rag on ios as much as you want but developer support on ios pushes out some very nice games and apps. hopefully android will catch up soon.

The best tablet would have multitouch capacitive for basic navigation and use, but also a true pen-based surface for proper inking - to take notes in shorthand. To draw. To whiteboard. A surface much like my little wacom tablet (obviously I don't know the technical name).
That, coupled with pretty much the capabilities of a Galaxy - that would be the perfect device. At least for my line of work.

khaytsus said:
Weird, you don't mention which version of Android it runs.......
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It runs win 7...

urbanengine1 said:
It runs win 7...
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.................................................... exactly

khaytsus said:
.................................................... exactly
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Why you...
If there's anthing in the world i hate its microsoft haters

wouldn't want atom for the tablet.
I will wait for orion or other dual cored based ARM and android 3.0 or higher
Now if i did go for a power house slate, i would go for something with core i5 or higher with 128GB SSD and at least 4GBs of system memory

urbanengine1 said:
Why you...
If there's anthing in the world i hate its microsoft haters
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And you're in an Android tablet forum. Cluefood.

khaytsus said:
And you're in an Android tablet forum. Cluefood.
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Still no reason to hate...

Perfect tablet?
7" touchscreen
wifi
Accelerometer and the other standard sensors from phones
gps
wifi
bluetooth
usb host capable
Sd card slot (not micro)
Full android market support
flash working (froyo or better)
8+ hours of battery life with wifi and gps running
Single core cpu around 800mhz or so is fine.
I don't see any need for a tablet to replace a full computer, so no reason to have a powerhouse cpu. Battery life and small size are far more important to me.

rogerdugans said:
Perfect tablet?
7" touchscreen
wifi
Accelerometer and the other standard sensors from phones
gps
wifi
bluetooth
usb host capable
Sd card slot (not micro)
Full android market support
flash working (froyo or better)
8+ hours of battery life with wifi and gps running
Single core cpu around 800mhz or so is fine.
I don't see any need for a tablet to replace a full computer, so no reason to have a powerhouse cpu. Battery life and small size are far more important to me.
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Good list... but I'd add or change a few things to make it "perfect":
trans-reflective capacitive touchscreen (think: pixel qi)
Contract-free 3G
Front and rear-facing cameras
Android 3.0
1ghz, or better
Rear touchpad
WiDi (or equivalent wireless 1080p video transmission)
One can dream, right?

3D Laptops: Active vs Passive 3d

What's up guys?
So, my almost 4 years old toshiba laptop is dying (dropped 3 times lol..and the connection where the adapter goes is getting loose)
So, I want my next laptop to be 3d ready, I was looking into it and it seems there is 2 kinds of 3d laptops, the passives that uses polarized glasses and the ones that uses the active shuter glasses...
which one would you recommend?
here are few of many that i have seen so far
the passive
LIFEBOOK® AH572 Notebook
the active
HP ENVY 17 3D 1080p 2nd Generation Quad Core i7 Laptop w/3D Glasse

Wait for glasses-free displays. Glasses are so annoying (my opinion)

buy silver and gold ... it'll be worth double-quadruple in 2years unlike ur lappy which will be worth half price(if your lucky)

well....my current laptop is dying..lol..cant live without one because I work for IT
I wish i could wait 2-3 years..
I currently own a finepix w3 the "real 3d" with autostereoscopic glasses-free screen and I think 3d technology that uses glasses is way better

i dont think lappy is the way to go for a powerhouse , their gpus and cpus dont come near the desktop counterparts other than the branding .... for example a gtx480 desktop is more than 50%(!) faster than a gtx485m ... same with cpus corny 1.8-2.4ghz's you cant oc labelled i7 whereas the real ones go easily above 4ghz .. over two times the power and prolly still cheaper ... really it is a ripoff , its bragging rights for fools nothing else
if id be buying anything it'd be this one
http://www.google.com/products/cata...sa=X&ei=FxOeTbsgzcSzBtzN1ZwE&ved=0CDIQ8wIwAw#
vaio dual core amd with a real gpu ... dirt cheap ... yes please

souljaboy said:
i dont think lappy is the way to go for a powerhouse , their gpus and cpus dont come near the desktop counterparts other than the branding .... for example a gtx480 desktop is more than 50%(!) faster than a gtx485m ... same with cpus corny 1.8-2.4ghz's you cant oc labelled i7 whereas the real ones go easily above 4ghz .. over two times the power and prolly still cheaper ... really it is a ripoff , its bragging rights for fools nothing else
if id be buying anything it'd be this one
http://www.google.com/products/cata...sa=X&ei=FxOeTbsgzcSzBtzN1ZwE&ved=0CDIQ8wIwAw#
vaio dual core amd with a real gpu ... dirt cheap ... yes please
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well i already have a notebook..and i dont really like it..way too small for me..anything smaller than 13 is too small..
thanks for the input...
so im guessing no one is interested in 3d laptops at the moment..lol

Help with how to build a gaming pc.

I'm interested in building my own gaming pc, something that can run games like BF3 and Fallout 3, New Vegas on full graphics. If I had to throw a price out there, I would say something under $700, the cheaper the better. I don't have a preference in parts since I am not experienced at all in this. I have looked at different videos and tutorials on this but I wanted peoples opinions on specific combinations, part brands, etc. Thank you beforehand! :good:

I asked this question here before, a member recommended me to go to overclocked.net they could help you out alot there on how to build a computer and what parts fit your specific needs
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I think this isn't very helpful but you should check alienware. They have that desktop for 700 bucks which has great specs.

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I think this isn't very helpful but you should check alienware. They have that desktop for 700 bucks which has great specs.
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DO NOT get an alienware. They are the apple of PC's. You pay a huge premium for fancy lights.
Get a computer with something along these lines:
Nvidia gtx 670
8-16 gig ram
Because of your price range you might have to go i5 as your processor
Asus motherboards are the bomb.
A cool case but don't spend more than 40 bucks on the case.

Any store you would recommend for the parts, something maybe cheaper and as reliable as New Egg?

Moved to Off-topic.

tigerdirect.com is a great place for parts

quad core CPU i5 or i7 $200
8gb ram 1600mhz or above $40
500 or 600 gtx series nvidia video card $200
SSD 128gb or above $200
750w power supply $50
Those prices are a guestimation based on average market prices. You don't need to trick out your case IMO, any that will fit your motherboard and everything else is fine. Frys electronics is a local electronics store near me that sells it all if you have one near you go there.

Thanks guys, this really gives me a good idea on what I need. What about in regards to the monitor and such. Anything good for the money? Any tips will be really appreciated.

valdesr11 said:
Thanks guys, this really gives me a good idea on what I need. What about in regards to the monitor and such. Anything good for the money? Any tips will be really appreciated.
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This was as close as I could get on newegg:
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811129042
$54.99
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152185
$69.99
Acer G215HVAbd Black 21.5" Full HD WideScreen LCD Monitor
Item #: N82E16824009306
$119.99
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (100314-3L )
Item #: N82E16814102948
$169.99
Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817371030
$59.99
G.SKILL Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-8GBNT
Item #: N82E16820231422
$39.99
Intel BOXDZ77SL50K LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813121618
$119.99
Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32120
Item #: N82E16819115077
$124.99
Total before shipping+tax: $759.92
Could probably be brought down some by going with cheaper/ghetto on many of the parts like power supply, mobo, vid card, memory, case.
Also this does not take into account a copy of Windows (could be had cheaply if you are a college student through your school most likely) and keyboard+mouse.
Also could shop around for prices, Amazon can be pretty good as well as other sites mentioned.
I mostly stick with Antec for cases/power supplies these days, they're not super-gamer oriented by they have good 12v amperage and reliability.
I've been going intel not only CPUs but also Mobos for the same reasons, they are no frills reference boards. Simple and reliable. I see the appeal of overclocking but it just has never been a priority, spending more money on proper mobo+cooling to possibly reduce video encode times by seconds, maybe minutes?
Same with SLI/Crossfire, by the time I think I could benefit from a 2nd card the newer cards are already as good if not better for around what I paid for the first one.
If you did expand your budget I'd recommend a Crucial SSD drive over beefing up the CPU and mobo. You'll get more real performance gains from an SSD. Just don't benchmark it every day like a moron, they do have limited write cycles but it will last many many years with normal use not continuous torture testing.

Nice choice.. but it would be better if you go for i5 or i7 quad core processor.. they will give you higher fps and smoother performance..
Sent from the Underdog..

heinrichkaiser said:
Nice choice.. but it would be better if you go for i5 or i7 quad core processor.. they will give you higher fps and smoother performance..
Sent from the Underdog..
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Considering his budget I'd stick with the i3. An i5 won't give any meaningful performance gains for the majority of games out there as they are usually not multi-threaded.
Google for: "The Clarkdale Review: Intel's Core i5 661, i3 540 & i3 530"
It's an AnandTech review, there is a gaming page and it shows there really is only a 3-7 frame difference between the processors, and that's with the FPS being over 70.
Also as I said aside from the graphics card a Crucial SSD would provide the biggest performance gains overall. For games it will significantly cut down launch and load times. And it will make everything else faster, but with the budget as it is that will probably be an upgrade for later (though the prices have come down quite a bit, they are now under the $1/1GB ratio).
Also if you are on a budget, I'd also recommend picking up a basic Dell with an i3 processor and a PCI-Express slot and then getting a Radeon 6850 or 6870. Then expand the ram out yourself as well. It would probably be the cheapest way to get a decent base that you could upgrade to gaming duty.

I'm not really on a budget, I just wouldn't want to spend too much. I do play, but not to an extent that I would go all out. I play maybe a couple of times a week, mostly online with BF3 and story modes on games like Fallout and Skyrim. I decided to sell my laptop since my family got me an Ipad for my birthday, and with the PC that I build with this I can sell my Xbox as well with all its games. Then I'll use my PC for school, games, and surfing the web. The Ipad for traveling and taking it to school. You guys know more than me about what is best when it comes to gaming PC's, I just want to get my money's worth and not make a mistake when putting it together. If I need to go over my "budget" a bit, its no big deal, same with letting me know if you think I shouldn't even build one and just get a Dell like you said, and upgrade the main parts for gaming in order to save money.

valdesr11 said:
I'm not really on a budget, I just wouldn't want to spend too much. I do play, but not to an extent that I would go all out. I play maybe a couple of times a week, mostly online with BF3 and story modes on games like Fallout and Skyrim. I decided to sell my laptop since my family got me an Ipad for my birthday, and with the PC that I build with this I can sell my Xbox as well with all its games. Then I'll use my PC for school, games, and surfing the web. The Ipad for traveling and taking it to school. You guys know more than me about what is best when it comes to gaming PC's, I just want to get my money's worth and not make a mistake when putting it together. If I need to go over my "budget" a bit, its no big deal, same with letting me know if you think I shouldn't even build one and just get a Dell like you said, and upgrade the main parts for gaming in order to save money.
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Building a PC isn't too bad nowadays but there are weird little quirks you can run into.
For instance, I build a system for my wife and got a case with USB3.0 front ports but the mobo only had USB2.0 front panel connectors, oops. Ended up having to buy an adapter from another case manufacturer, wasn't a huge deal but was a little annoying. I've also had issues with cases having more fans and plug harnesses than the motherboard had but that is less the case as a lot of case fans use molex harnesses.

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Building a PC isn't too bad nowadays but there are weird little quirks you can run into.
For instance, I build a system for my wife and got a case with USB3.0 front ports but the mobo only had USB2.0 front panel connectors, oops. Ended up having to buy an adapter from another case manufacturer, wasn't a huge deal but was a little annoying. I've also had issues with cases having more fans and plug harnesses than the motherboard had but that is less the case as a lot of case fans use molex harnesses.
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Yeah stuff like this is what I want to avoid.
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Yeah stuff like this is what I want to avoid.
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What I listed earlier is a pretty decent start point I think.
Case obviously is very much up to taste, I like the Antec 300 because it has a lot of bays, large rear and top fans and looks nice. No chrome and lights n stuff.
Video card could be swapped based on brand/manufacturer preference.
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116986
$99.99
Crucial M4 CT256M4SSD2 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Item #: N82E16820148443
$179.99
Adding the OS (Win7 Home 64-bit OEM) and the SSD drive bumps the total up to $1,035.90.
The SSD drive would be for OS, games, programs. And any big files like movies, music, etc could go on the regular 1TB.
As far as actually assembling it you can probably find some pretty good generic guides but really just need to take it slow and follow the directions. The case comes with these kind of "post" screws, that you put on first and then the MB sits on those and then you use the normal little screws. And check everything to make sure the screws you use are the correct threading for where you put them.
Oh and IO panel cover that comes with the MB goes into the case first before mounting the MB itself.
One weird area is connecting all the front panel switches and lights (power, hdd activity) from the case to the MB, usually isn't too bad as the case plugs are labeled and then you just color match.
I honestly think an i3 will be sufficient for normal use and gaming. Additional threads/cores won't really show their worth unless you're doing 3D rendering or lots of encoding jobs.
Only thing is with the OEM license it would be paired to the motherboard at license time. The retail license which you can move between complete systems is an additional $80.

frank_jaeger said:
What I listed earlier is a pretty decent start point I think.
Case obviously is very much up to taste, I like the Antec 300 because it has a lot of bays, large rear and top fans and looks nice. No chrome and lights n stuff.
Video card could be swapped based on brand/manufacturer preference.
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116986
$99.99
Crucial M4 CT256M4SSD2 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Item #: N82E16820148443
$179.99
Adding the OS (Win7 Home 64-bit OEM) and the SSD drive bumps the total up to $1,035.90.
The SSD drive would be for OS, games, programs. And any big files like movies, music, etc could go on the regular 1TB.
As far as actually assembling it you can probably find some pretty good generic guides but really just need to take it slow and follow the directions. The case comes with these kind of "post" screws, that you put on first and then the MB sits on those and then you use the normal little screws. And check everything to make sure the screws you use are the correct threading for where you put them.
Oh and IO panel cover that comes with the MB goes into the case first before mounting the MB itself.
One weird area is connecting all the front panel switches and lights (power, hdd activity) from the case to the MB, usually isn't too bad as the case plugs are labeled and then you just color match.
I honestly think an i3 will be sufficient for normal use and gaming. Additional threads/cores won't really show their worth unless you're doing 3D rendering or lots of encoding jobs.
Only thing is with the OEM license it would be paired to the motherboard at license time. The retail license which you can move between complete systems is an additional $80.
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Fortunately, my school provides us with Windows 7 (all versions) for free. So that's $100 I can save. Building it doesn't worry me as much as getting the right parts and making sure they work for what I need them for. What is the deal with AMD and why do people love Intel so much over it?

valdesr11 said:
Fortunately, my school provides us with Windows 7 (all versions) for free. So that's $100 I can save. Building it doesn't worry me as much as getting the right parts and making sure they work for what I need them for. What is the deal with AMD and why do people love Intel so much over it?
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Intel hit a homerun with the initial Core 2 Duo/Quad processors after the old Core Duo pieces of crap. Since then they haven't let their quality and performance drop. They were the SSD leaders for awhile as well but Crucial took that away from them, Samsung is making noise but still hasn't been proven.
Really though it just comes down to preference. I'm not really up to date on what AMDs current cpu offerings are, I switched from AMD to Intel during the Core 2 Duo days and stuck into the Core i series. Basically it seems the AMD cpus are sub-par compared to Intel offerings and to counter-balance AMD cuts the price.
Granted while I have no preference for AMDs processors I love their GPUs. The Radeon HD 4870 made a lot of waves when it came out and they've continued to deliver. The 6850/70/90 have excellent performance to price ratios.
That's another item you could swap, is the 6850 for the 6870 (what I'm running currently) or a comparable Nvidia card, just check the reviews on sites like anandtech, tomshardware, legitreviews. Again this is all opinion but the card manufacturers I've been partial to lately are Sapphire/XFX/EVGA, mostly Sapphire because they are the least expensive and I've had great results with them. ASUS and Gigabyte would probably be ok.
Also as an earlier posted said you can most likely get better info/recommendations from a dedicated site like overclock.net.

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Good morning everyone,
I thought I should share the official build I purchased last night. Came out to a little more expensive than I wanted but it will be worth it in the end.
And that's with not doing exactly what I wanted of having two monitors and throwing in there a home theater system build as well.
So I just kept it as a gaming system for now. I will either be upgrading it as I go or sell it in the future and build my second one when I have money for it with exactly what I want, and possibly learn to overclock
1 x Logitech MK550 Black USB RF Wireless Ergonomic Wave Combo
1 x APC BE450G 450 VA 257 Watts UPS
1 x ASRock B75 PRO3 LGA 1155 Intel B75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
1 x Newegg Free CPU Magazine Coupon
1 x Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, ...
1 x ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor W/Speakers
1 x SAMSUNG 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model MV-3V4G3D/US
1 x EVGA 012-P3-1571-KR GeForce GTX 570 HD w/Display-Port (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready ...
1 x Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
1 x Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-450-M 450W ATX12V v2.31 & EPS12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD ...
1 x ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
1 x Intel Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge 3.2GHz (3.6GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics ...
Everything including shipping came out to $1,077.18 - $30 in rebates.
I'll post some pictures later on of the building process just to share with you guys.
P.S. Thank you guys for all the advice and mad credit to everyone from the overclock.net community. You were all great and a big influence on my build.

Nice!!!
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