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Is there any software out there where you can connect to a secured wifi (and bypass the password) or hacking a wifi or something?
google kismet but it has nothing to do with this phone.
Retina by Eeye is the only one I know of (for PPC at least). Will allegedly crack WEP passwords.
Googling ends up with the following links (amongst others) -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=236630
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2037197
http://www.eeye.com/html/downloads/index.html
http://downloads.zdnet.com/search.aspx?kw=Retina+WiFi+Scanner+(Pocket+PC)
Hope that helps.
and cain and able, but on ppc its pointless
i tryed to get the Retina by Eeye but its asking me for a company email address. any have it already dl and want to email it to me?
Why would you want to steal a persons WIFi? That's illegal. To each is own but if the black suits come knocking at your door and hit you in the head with a billy club I'll say I told you so.
wont work on wm6 i think its written for older ppc2003 devices and the driver wil lbe the wrong one
if you want to test it pn me ^^
gqstatus0685 said:
Why would you want to steal a persons WIFi? That's illegal. To each is own but if the black suits come knocking at your door and hit you in the head with a billy club I'll say I told you so.
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i dont think it's illigal.
ill tell you why i would want to, because im surrounded by all these secure wifi's everywhere i go, and always want to connect to them, they have great signal too.
mikeeey said:
i dont think it's illigal.
ill tell you why i would want to, because im surrounded by all these secure wifi's everywhere i go, and always want to connect to them, they have great signal too.
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First of all. You can go to jail, for hacking and hi-jacking your neighbor's wi-fi. It is totally ILLEGAL.
Second. Why not get yourself a 3G or 4G account with your phone company, and you can connect to the internet with your 3G.
yes its completely illegal in the states and you shouldn't do it. However if you don't care about breaking the law I don't see how it could be proven in court that you hijacked someones wifi with ur mobile device, and if it came down to it im sure cooking a new rom would delete any hidden data.
If I were you find other options. Like myself. I use my wifi at home and download all the necessary data i need for the day every morning. If i run into anything I need I simply go somewhere like a library or a coffee shop to access their wifi.
Take care and stay out of trouble.
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i dont think it's illigal.
ill tell you why i would want to, because im surrounded by all these secure wifi's everywhere i go, and always want to connect to them, they have great signal too.
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In the UK it would come under the Misuse of Computers act 1990, in the section regarding unauthorised access to a secured computer system.
If I were using it, I would be trying to break into my own network to find out how easily someone else could achieve it.
Oh, and if you are using something like "The Cloud", I heard there was some sort of "Feature" whereby you could set up a proxy server (at home) on port 53 (DNS) and use it to connect out. All you then need to do is, when you're wanting to use the Cloud's wifi connection and you can't remember your details, change your proxy settings and away you go.
all i want to do is test my set up because my friend came over with his phone and got in to my secure wifi with out much a problem. so i just want to learn how to test my security for my wifi.
streetknight said:
all i want to do is test my set up because my friend came over with his phone and got in to my secure wifi with out much a problem. so i just want to learn how to test my security for my wifi.
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Why not ask your friends?
I think your friend must be using 3G network, which he can connect anywhere and anytime.
Interesting and related article from the UK....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4721723.stm
hi guys!
i guess everybody replyed with off topic posts; for sure the user knows it´s illegal, so why not help him instead of bugging him?
I´ve been searching on that subject and i found some interesting programs for ppc:
ministumbler
airscanner´s sniffer
WiFiFoFum
pocketwarrior
also you can check on this website: http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/ppchack
Cheers and happy wardriving!
Ev0luti0n_ said:
hi guys!
i guess everybody replyed with off topic posts; for sure the user knows it´s illegal, so why not help him instead of bugging him?
I´ve been searching on that subject and i found some interesting programs for ppc:
ministumbler
airscanner´s sniffer
WiFiFoFum
pocketwarrior
also you can check on this website: http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/ppchack
Cheers and happy wardriving!
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anyone got any of these to work yet?
Aiding and Abetting/Accessory
A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal distinctions vary by state. A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy.
For example, Andy draws a floor plan of a bank, knowing of Dan's intention to rob it. After Dan commits the robbery, Alice agrees to let him store the stolen money at her house. Both Andy and Alice can be charged with aiding and abetting, or acting as accessories to the robbery.
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Is there any software out there where you can connect to a secured wifi (and bypass the password) or hacking a wifi or something?
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Of course, if those secure sites are using WPA, or better, WPA2 or a WPA-enterprise system, you're not going to simply sniff and crack a password. WEP is a rapidly dying standard, and for good reason.
Just saying, you may be going to a lot of effort for zero gain, unless you know for sure these are simple WEP-secured nodes.
And if nothing else, it's immoral - just like houses, people lock their doors to keep strangers out, and a stranger smashing open a window to get in deserves no aid in the act.
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...just like houses, people lock their doors to keep strangers out...
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However, let's think about this for a second or two...all the security and locks in the world only truly accomplish one thing...they keep the honest people honest.
The bottom line is this...if someone wants in, it doesn't matter how many highly-paid security guards you have walking the perimeter, they're gonna get in.
Where there's a will...
True, but an honest person needn't help that "someone" to commit their dishonest act.
But you are right, thus far at least, any security system created by humans has proven to be compromisable (is that a word ?) by humans.
Of course, WEP was just a bad design, right from the get-go...
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
The post for those too lazy to go and read it
Currently there is a way to add your google voice number to MyFaves and avoid using any minutes for almost any call.
I don't know if this is "Working as intended" or is an unplaned gaff....
Let me tell you why T-Mobile should not only let this happen, but encourage this.
I have a G1, cheapest plans possible. my bill is around 60 bucks a month...
If this MyFaves/GV trick became something i could count on here are the actions i will take with out question.
I will Buy my wife the MyTouch (canceling her current Virgin Mobile pay as u go plan)
I will change my calling plan to a "MyFaves" famlie plan
I will have unlimmited data plans on both phones.
I will cancle my current home phone (Vonage)
My T-mobile monthly bill will go from $60 a month to over $125, and it will become my and my wife's main phone lines.
Also with work/friends i am the known "Android hacker" and people listen to me...
When i tell people about this possiblity they get excited and want in on it.
T-Mobile... be the "Data Pipe" Google wants you to be, you will gain subscribers
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http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
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Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.
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Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.
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I couldn't have said this all better myself.
To OP: Be happy with the loophole you have now. Make this mainstream and you'll see the loophole closed up nice and quick.
Here is the thing...
I personally will not do the things in my post unless i can confirm it is something i can rely on.
scenario
I buy a 2nd phone for the wife
I cancel my home (Vonage) phone line
I then begin to rely on this piggy backing as a part of my monthly finances...
BOOM
T-mobile closes the loophole.
I am stuck with an extra phone/Plan that i can't get out of....
My bill goes through the roof because these phones are now our only voice option.
Until i get a confirmation from T-Mobile i will push the issue...
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.
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If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
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Haha. I like your attitude!
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.
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Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
It seems to me that what you need to get is one of those truly unlimited in-region calling (I think MetroPCS has something like that? Also T-Mo has the Unlimited Loyalty Plan.) You can be assured that you'll be billed a flat monthly rate that way regardless of your usage and regardless of whether or not you are routing through GV.
I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.
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Haha. I like your attitude!
Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
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Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.
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I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.
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Please explain your self.
If i am going to agree to additional contracts, i need to know the scope of what is allowed and what is not for my own protection.
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Please explain your self.
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1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.
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If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
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I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.
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1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.
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The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
But thanks for trying to be insulting.
I have been using GV for almost a week now, no 8 minute, no bugs.
The service has been good enough that i am considering major changes to my service providers. A change that would give me more functionality at almost the same cost...
I am not sure i fully grasp your hostility.
Any contract i am involved with i like to know everything i can.
If that is strange to you... well that's your issue.
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The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
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I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?
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I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.
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I suppose it is less a petition, and more of a wish for clarification.
I know for a fact that google would like ISP's and Tel-Co to be more like a "Pipe" for data. With Google controlling as much content as they can (for advertisement $$)
This Google Voice product is a perfect example of this coming to fruition.
All you need is one TelCo jumping on board and prices come down for everyone.
Thank you for calling my post "whiny"... i was trying to make a point. I must have done a poor job.
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If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
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That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.
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I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?
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ha ha ha!
I have like a "Quiz" day with her every once in a while.. aka, if i died could you access our bank accounts.
She Fails on a regular basis.
She does not have access to this stuff by my choice, in fact i have given it to her multiple times, multiple ways for her to remember.
She wants nothing to do with it.
It's not that i am a control freak... it's that she is lazy and does not want to concern her self with this stuff.
But yea, we have spiraled way too far in to my personal life, hehe
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That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.
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I am asking people to bump the thread in the t-mobile thread... if they like the idea of this piggybacking.
I myself, for the way i treat bills and contracts, need specific clarification so i will keep pushing regardless.
If you don't agree, then don't bump the t-Mobile thread.
Ugg.... never mind.
It looks like it is official a bug (not intended)
http://devin.reams.me/free-google-voice-calls-with-t-mobile-myfaves/
UPDATE: as mentioned by Josiah in the comments, this violates this statement on T-Mobile’s website: “Your five numbers must be US domestic numbers and must not include … customers’ own numbers; and single numbers allowing access to 500 or more persons.”
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aad4321 said:
yeah but because you wont have free incoming you will have to set the gv number to show on an incoming call and add it to the fav5. long story short u will not know who i calling you unless you have that stupid press 1 to accept thing.
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That would be the big limitation
But with google voice you can listen in on the message before you pick up
yea this needs a lot of clearing up....gvoice isnt widely available
UMA
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Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.
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why dont you get a UMA phone form T-mobile, for a few bucks a month and drop your Vonage right there saves u about 25$
well i was in touch with my girlfriend couple days ago but after a call received from his country (mx) she went back for an apparently emergency and now is been two weeks after and i don' t know why she haven't called me please anyone can help!!!!!!
no..... Although police and special government agencies can track a persons cell phone usage via cellular triangulation. The average person doesnt have this abilitity though.... Thank god!
Can you say STALKER???
I wonder if her emergency was a booty call
You could try the method that I use when I lose my phone.... .... call the number and walk around until you hear it. OK it might take a while if you are in different countries, but it works 100% when you hear the ring you have found the person.
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well i was in touch with my girlfriend couple days ago but after a call received from his country (mx) she went back for an apparently emergency and now is been two weeks after and i don' t know why she haven't called me please anyone can help!!!!!!
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Cap'n Obvious: Call the cops if you think she's kidnapped. If you think she's mad at you for some reason and is actively ignoring you then you're on your own.
download phonecreeper if she has a windows phone
rename it s something as "i love you.cab" it installs real quick
it uses gps sorry if you rly didnt want to use one
and use the command to enable gps and track her ass down!
Is this a joke ?
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Is this a joke ?
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Whether intended to be or not, I consider it one.
@OP:
If you are concerned about the well-being of your girlfriend, you need to contact the appropriate authorities in your country so that they may assist you.
The authorities of your country have infinite amount of technological resources at their disposal to track anyone down. As with all organizations, they are bound by certain protocols so you will need to provide sufficient details as to why you are concerned.
Members on this forum cannot assist you to the same extent; nor should they if they wish to avoid potential legal rammifications.
Thread closed.
Has AT&T lost your loyalty?
Yes, I have returned my phone
Yes, I plan on returning my phone
Yes, I am switching carriers
Yes, I am returning my phone, but staying with AT&T off contract
No. I am satisfied
No. I am not happy, but I will see what happens
I am here to support this cause
VOTE!
Where's the option for "I'm not going to use my upgrade and will continue off contract until this issue is taken care of."
racrguy said:
Where's the option for "I'm not going to use my upgrade and will continue off contract until this issue is taken care of."
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I didn't think of that :/ I guess that falls under supporting the cause for now..
I'm not really sure what I'm going to do. My Vivid is a work phone so I'm stuck on AT&T anyway. I could return it but there is no other phone that I really want. The new LG looks nice but it seems like development sucks for LGs even with an unlocked bootloader.
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id rather stay on att cause im not a fan of verizon. att has the same coverage in cincinnati ohio, but verizon cost a little more. my trouble is, which phone should i get on sunday when i return lol
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I'm not really sure what I'm going to do. My Vivid is a work phone so I'm stuck on AT&T anyway. I could return it but there is no other phone that I really want. The new LG looks nice but it seems like development sucks for LGs even with an unlocked bootloader.
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My assumption considering the specs the LG is going to have is that it will probably get a decent reception here. At least I would hope. Time will tell.
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Where's the option for "I'm not going to use my upgrade and will continue off contract until this issue is taken care of."
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+ for this option. I am waiting on sideline until this issue is resolved. I am happy to keep my aria running latest cm7 nightly.
In spirit, AT&T lost me many years ago. The only reason why I'm still with them is because of my corporate policy and them not allowing me to switch to Verizon.
Believe me, if I could, I would in a heartbeat.
I will continue with AT&T.
Have you called their tech support lately? They fixed my tethering, visual cm and sms provisioning and called back the next day to ensure it was fixed.
CIQ doesn't bother me. This is a work phone. Work already has the right to monitor me. They purchased the phone and pay for the plan.
In general, I am a doer and not a whiner. If it works for me and helps me get things done and doesn't harm me, great!
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malickie said:
My assumption considering the specs the LG is going to have is that it will probably get a decent reception here. At least I would hope. Time will tell.
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You may be right. I'll probably give this phone another few weeks though. This is the phone I've wanted since the Holiday was first leaked.
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willgill said:
I will continue with AT&T.
Have you called their tech support lately? They fixed my tethering, visual cm and sms provisioning and called back the next day to ensure it was fixed.
CIQ doesn't bother me. This is a work phone. Work already has the right to monitor me. They purchased the phone and pay for the plan.
In general, I am a doer and not a whiner. If it works for me and helps me get things done and doesn't harm me, great!
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You've got to be kidding me. You're calling us whiners and not doers? Have you even been following this forum at all? Of course we have called tech support!
And this all makes sense now. The reasons you're defending them. "CIQ doesn't bother me." "It works for me and doesn't harm me" You're just selfish. Do you realize how many people are affected by CIQ? Chances are someone you know or even a family member is affected. Your "you agreed to terms" argument doesn't apply here like you tried to use in another thread. CIQ is doing things without our consent or permission! This isn't about just what affects "ME". This is about all of us and how we're being affected. Everyone has a different lifestyle and most of us don't have "work Vivids".
You don't want to participate in what we're trying to do, then don't. Want to stay with AT&T? Cool. But what's the point of trolling here? As long as we know now that you've been exposed as a selfish troll, No one really cares what you have to say.
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You've got to be kidding me. You're calling us whiners and not doers? Have you even been following this forum at all? Of course we have called tech support!
And this all makes sense now. The reasons you're defending them. "CIQ doesn't bother me." "It works for me and doesn't harm me" You're just selfish. Do you realize how many people are affected by CIQ? Chances are someone you know or even a family member is affected. Your "you agreed to terms" argument doesn't apply here like you tried to use in another thread. CIQ is doing things without our consent or permission! This isn't about just what affects "ME". This is about all of us and how we're being affected. Everyone has a different lifestyle and most of us don't have "work Vivids".
You don't want to participate in what we're trying to do, then don't. Want to stay with AT&T? Cool. But what's the point of trolling here? As long as we know now that you've been exposed as a selfish troll, No one really cares what you have to say.
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I am participating. It is just another view. I am not some occupy zombie. Talk about selfish...trying to silence another's opinion would be the epitome of selfishness.
Let me know how you have been affected by CIQ. Has something changed in your life. I am guessing not because you didn't know until someone pointed it out.
By "doing" and not whining I mean TRULY make a difference. Instead of flooding corporate sites with noise, help with investigation. Make a case. How does it affect you? What did you agree to? Have you done due diligence and reread your contract?
These things make a difference.
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I am participating. It is just another view. I am not some occupy zombie. Talk about selfish...trying to silence another's opinion would be the epitome of selfishness.
Let me know how you have been affected by CIQ. Has something changed in your life. I am guessing not because you didn't know until someone pointed it out.
By "doing" and not whining I mean TRULY make a difference. Instead of flooding corporate sites with noise, help with investigation. Make a case. How does it affect you? What did you agree to? Have you done due diligence and reread your contract?
These things make a difference.
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We helped raise awareness. That's most certainly doing something. I would love to do whatever I could. How is this occupying anything? No one is camping outside AT&T offices trying to protest.
And that's the issue. We HAD to be told that we were being monitored. So before it causes any real damage, it needs to be stopped. Just think if someone figured out that the PSN had an exploit before the the attack went down. We have the opportunity to do things we couldn't in other situations.
Until they kick me off my unlimited plan I will stay loyal. This whole Vivid situation was perfect timing in my mind. Was able to get the phone for $25 no contract so I kept it a few weeks waiting out the locked bootloader issue. Seeing that it may take awhile I sold the Vivid for $300 and bought a Galaxy Nexus HSPA+ and couldn't be happier.
Everyone, step back. OP, don't ask for opinions then complain you don't like some of those opinions. WillGill, that's pretty rude calling folks trying to do something "whiners". Which is what you did.
I believe it's important for people to shout it out when Big Brother starts to over reach. I appreciate the efforts of many here to expose and Kill CarrierIQ.
We live in a society that is becoming increasingly corrupt. Congress has made many forms of bribery completely legal, so that they can try and pretend that they're still the good guys. For the first time in history, Congress has been completely bought and paid for by those wishing to bend the system to their own selfish concerns. At the same time, the Internet has made it possible--for the first time in history--for the masses to become fully informed and fight this attack on our society.
The occupy movement is a good example of people coming together to fight terrible changes in our society, and this movement is fueled by information available on the Internet. Unfortunately, Occupy has failed miserably. If they've done anything, they've helped those people they're trying to fight. It's really too bad, they could have had a major impact had they targeted those people that actually could change the system--Congress.
We no longer hold politicians accountable for their corruption and the damage they've done to the system. We blindly accept whatever they've got to say, as long as they support a few pet causes we hold dear. Liberals--by and large--support Democrats, regardless of how huge the bribes they take are. Look at Nancy Pelosi: almost universally adored among the liberals and yet crooked beyond belief. Oh, that's right, she's not crooked. Congress has made it legal for her to accept bribes so large that they're unprecedented in history. And don't be smug conservatives, the Republicans are no better. Both sides are laughing all the way to the bank, whilst we cling to a few small issues that we feel differentiates liberals and conservatives.
As you rail against CarrierIQ, please don't forget who's sitting back and doing nothing even though they're vested with the responsibility to defend our privacy and our freedom. It's time we held congress's feet to the fire, regardless if we consider ourselves liberal or conservative.When you vote, look past whether a candidate is liberal or conservative. If they're honest, it will all work itself out. Cry out for candidates who are honest, who will fight CarrierIQ and every such intrusion into our lives. Don't accept corruption.
Nakel, you may have missed my point. All this ranting and raving without fact checking and knowing legal rights is just whining. Instead, I recommend true action.
Occupiers, by definition, are just taking up space. They change nothing other than kill park grass, leave filth, not to mention the rapes, drug deaths and deficating on cop cars. And no... I'm not making that up. Google it. That's the wrong message.
Actually what I see missing is personal responsibility.
Expect only what you pay for but feel free to negotiate more.
Know what your rights, not what you feel is "right".
Know your facts before you speak. (Like 85% of millionaires didn't inherit it)
Contribute to a true difference, not a scene.
My apologies for getting a bit OT. I would just like to be a voice of caution. Let's be sure we know if and who the dragon is before trying to vanquish it.
willgill said:
Nakel, you may have missed my point. All this ranting and raving without fact checking and knowing legal rights is just whining. Instead, I recommend true action.
Occupiers, by definition, are just taking up space. They change nothing other than kill park grass, leave filth, not to mention the rapes, drug deaths and deficating on cop cars. And no... I'm not making that up. Google it. That's the wrong message.
Actually what I see missing is personal responsibility.
Expect only what you pay for but feel free to negotiate more.
Know what your rights, not what you feel is "right".
Know your facts before you speak. (Like 85% of millionaires didn't inherit it)
Contribute to a true difference, not a scene.
My apologies for getting a bit OT. I would just like to be a voice of caution. Let's be sure we know if and who the dragon is before trying to vanquish it.
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I am with you, willgill, though I have no desire to argue or reason with "grab your pitchforks and torches" mob. I do find it curious however, that this mob's anger is rather selective. They get all worked up over CIQ yet say absolutely nothing about legalized rape that is SMS fees. They worry about a cell phone watching their every step while they are already being watched and tracked, EVERYWHERE. Your ISP already monitors your web traffic. Your bank already monitors your transactions. Your supermarket, gas station, restaurant already watch you like a hawk. Your cable and satellite provides and TV networks already watch you watching TV. Every time you input a pin code in ATM, click on TV remote, write an email - you are being watched and recorded.
So relax and sleep well tonight, my fellow xda'ers. Big Brother is not only watching you; he's also watching over you. If you wish to stick with your fears and superstitions, be my guest, but please do wear a tinfoil hat while you're outside, so I can identify and avoid you.
Intriguing commentary and food for thought.
"IF" CIQ is logging your SMS, would the same people incensed by that also be livid if their cell company couldn't retrieve their texts logs for evidence in a court case?
I've seen several court cases where text message records were admitted as evidence. So people want texts archived if it benefits them but on the other hand NOT recorded?
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I hope no one gets mad, but this > < discussion should be here and made sticky for AT LEAST the droid x for further development and hacking. This should be only for educational purposes! All in all though, I feel that this topic would be more quickly busted or confirmed on this site. Please post ANY findings and/or results here. As you can see I have posted to this site the locations of ALL meid an pesn of the druid 2 global phone, but was unsuccessful at using these scripts to do anything to this phone. Thanks ppl and let's keep this thread going for the lifespan of the phone. All credit given whet credit is due, as you can see from the post. No stealing or hijacking intended. This is all I could find on Moto devices. Also have a Devour to test this on with a lil more skilled guidance.
Again? Really?
ESN changing is against the law in the country of which these forums are hosted. I'm going to assume this will be deleted before you even read my post.
There is no legal reason to 'repair' your MEID. Please move back to Howard Forums where they still seem to allow this type of discussion.
Just read forum rules.
I have just read the forum rules and it says nothing about not discussing maid/est repair. This is for educational purposes. And, if like me, changing these numbers is legal if you own both the donor (which in my case is broken) and the clone, and are not trying to sell the donor or clone, which would be invasion of privacy and fraud, then it is legal. I own both phones. My touch pro wont boot anymore and I own my droid 2 global, which is the one I want to write theses numbers to. I am not selling either. So why not learn more about these devices. I should be able to do what I want with my property. Take a look here, I googled this just for you and people like you. -> http://www.fcc.gov/guides/cell-phone-fraud <- And as can see clearly I am doing nothing illegal. I wish people would stop saying that it is illegal. It scares people who just heard it somewhere else without doing their own research first. On with this discussion please mods.
I still don't understand what this is. I seen this posted on Howard, and was interested by the topic. I tried Googling but I came up short with any clear definitions.
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I still don't understand what this is. I seen this posted on Howard, and was interested by the topic. I tried Googling but I came up short with any clear definitions.
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The meid/esn is the phone-specific "serial" number that Verizon uses to identify your phone. If a phone is reported as lost or stolen to Verizon, the meid/esn gets blacklisted so that the phone cannot be activated (so if someone steals your phone or finds it on the street, they can't put it on their account).
This thread describes how to alter the meid/esn to something else, so it can be fixed/unblacklisted.
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I have just read the forum rules and it says nothing about not discussing maid/est repair. This is for educational purposes. And, if like me, changing these numbers is legal if you own both the donor (which in my case is broken) and the clone, and are not trying to sell the donor or clone, which would be invasion of privacy and fraud, then it is legal. I own both phones. My touch pro wont boot anymore and I own my droid 2 global, which is the one I want to write theses numbers to. I am not selling either. So why not learn more about these devices. I should be able to do what I want with my property. Take a look here, I googled this just for you and people like you. -> http://www.fcc.gov/guides/cell-phone-fraud <- And as can see clearly I am doing nothing illegal. I wish people would stop saying that it is illegal. It scares people who just heard it somewhere else without doing their own research first. On with this discussion please mods.
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Well I'm glad you answered your own question then =)
What Is Cell Phone Cloning Fraud?
Every cell phone is supposed to have a unique factory-set electronic serial number (ESN) and telephone number (MIN). A cloned cell phone is one that has been reprogrammed to transmit the ESN and MIN belonging to another (legitimate) cell phone. Unscrupulous people can obtain valid ESN/MIN combinations by illegally monitoring the radio wave transmissions from the cell phones of legitimate subscribers. After cloning, both the legitimate and the fraudulent cell phones have the same ESN/MIN combination and cellular systems cannot distinguish the cloned cell phone from the legitimate one. The legitimate phone user then gets billed for the cloned phone’s calls. Call your carrier if you think you have been a victim of cloning fraud.
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What you would be doing is not illegal, but the information used to do your 'legal' activity could be used to do something illegal. Yes it comes down to "ZOMG Some guy posted a bomb recipe, that's illegal!!!"... well no, but whoever hosts that bomb making recipe could be held as an accomplice for future bombings using said recipe.
Which is why MEID/ESN changing is usually instantly locked on most if not all US forum sites, including this one.
A little help
Honestly I thought this thread would be closed a while back because every time i looked into this before threads would magically dissappear. But its still here so here is some help. The esn meid is only half the problem, the other half is the A-key, this key verifies your phone every time you make a phone call, wihout jt you will get a message that tells you your phone cannot be verified. After you manage to get that you need a username and password in order to achieve 3g access. That aside the reason your hexs dont match is because its ram and he meid will get moved around randomly after boot. Basically this means that you will need to find all addresses before your next reboot or the keys might move again. So not only is the hexes different from phone to phone it is also different from boot to boot. Another thing you are having issues wih is the meid returnin after each reboot. This only happens when you miss an meid. I have found that there are certain locations that have memory locks and will nkt let you map it. If you use the default settings for scanning you will miss meid locations. What you have to do is scan and after each map decrease the number smaller and closer to the memory lock until you find the exact location for thsat memory lock. Repeat for each lock until you have exact locations for every valid memory location. Then dump those locations and use a hex editor to calculate where each meid location is. Use another tool to directly modify each meid location to all 0s. After all locations for both esn and meid are 0ed then you can reboot. Oh forgot to mention one more thing he esn and meid are reverse inverted. Meaning an esn will be A00000123456 will be 56 34 12 00 00 A0 same with esn.
And yes i was being purposly vague. If you cant fill in the blanks you really shouldnt be atempting to do this. You can easily permanently brick your phone.
HacDan said:
Well I'm glad you answered your own question then =)
What you would be doing is not illegal, but the information used to do your 'legal' activity could be used to do something illegal. Yes it comes down to "ZOMG Some guy posted a bomb recipe, that's illegal!!!"... well no, but whoever hosts that bomb making recipe could be held as an accomplice for future bombings using said recipe.
Which is why MEID/ESN changing is usually instantly locked on most if not all US forum sites, including this one.
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That isn't true, the hosting party can not be brought in as an accomplice you need to go get your facts straight. If the hosting agent said "Hey you should blow up a building with this bomb" then you are right. If they say "We are a library of knowledge" they can not.
It's all about intent. For this purpose it is about information, and information is power. There are a LOT more people trying to FIX their phones then trying to steal. There are many other valid and lawful uses as well, such as switching these verizon wireless phones to cricket or some other prepaid service (which is legal if you buy one of their pre-paid phones and use it as a donor phone).
People, please take your head out of your butt on this issue. It is not illegal, it is what you do with the information that makes it legal/illegal. If you are a crook you will get caught and do 5 years for screwing around with phones (moron). If you are not a crook and are looking to xfer service to a prepay or fix your phone then it's perfectly lawful.
ok here is my issue with this also. I am on metro and I have the eris flashed by them to talk and text. I received a droid a855 which I see fully flashed to metro everywhere for sale people talking about them anything of the sort. But I have flashed the prl and all info for metro but will they turn it on. NOPE they will not add the clean esn from my droid to their network at all. So I have been searching for how to do this also as I will scrap my eris for use as a testing and wifi only device and put its info on the droid and then put the eris sticker on it also. And the eris will be blank. But do you think I could get this to work right nope. I have found 4 total meid/esn locations and changed them with a few programs and also made sure they are right. and reflashed the file to the phone and nothing at all changed. I need help please. And to the legality of this I called a guy on craigslist and asked him to put my esn in metros data base and he said I have to have a account and he would change the esn and meid to match my metro phone that is on now?????? he had posted as to adding the esn not changing. And he is not the only one here doing this. I have skills in computers and phones but im just lost on the droid not taking the writes. Ok thanks and PM me if needed.
Preach! Free speech dies another slow death... Instead of commenting, help someone with a cellular issue... Pay it forward = mankind advances by helping one another
HacDan said:
Well I'm glad you answered your own question then =)
What you would be doing is not illegal, but the information used to do your 'legal' activity could be used to do something illegal. Yes it comes down to "ZOMG Some guy posted a bomb recipe, that's illegal!!!"... well no, but whoever hosts that bomb making recipe could be held as an accomplice for future bombings using said recipe.
Which is why MEID/ESN changing is usually instantly locked on most if not all US forum sites, including this one.
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This is very help fully I wish I knew this when I got my phone because it was 9pm est and I was not a authorized user on my parents account and my grandmother is on the otherwise of the country and I had to wait a whole day to activate the phone and if I would of known about this I would of transferred my Omnia's meid over
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Sorry, but this stinks of legal technicalities.
Rule #9 is used in situations like these, and so I'll have to close the thread.
9. Don't get us in trouble.
Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble. If you wouldn't do it on your own homepage, you probably don't want to do it here either. This does not mean we agree with everything the software piracy lobby try to impose on us, it simply means you cannot break any laws here, since we'll end up dealing with legal hassle caused by you. Please use common sense: respect the forum, its users, and those that write great code.
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