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I am planning to upgrade my himalaya from wm6 to wm6.1.
I never done this before.
Will all my sms, outlook email, and contacts lost after the upgrade?
Do I need to backup all the sms and restore them again after upgrade?
and Install all the software/games all over again?
Thanks..
data will be gon
really
so backup
some programs on sd card may still work like all my games dont require anything but whats in their dirs so and they are on the sdcard so all i need to do is make new shortcuts to them
Yes you will looooose alll of ur data while upgrading the ROM
To Backup You PIM...use PIMBackup
AS for the software..remeber the names and search for them else post them here so we can help u find them
Happy WM 6.1 Flashing
Ok Thanks!
Flashing is fun and the old Hima is better as touch afterwards.
ather90 said:
Yes you will looooose alll of ur data while upgrading the ROM
To Backup You PIM...use PIMBackup
AS for the software..remeber the names and search for them else post them here so we can help u find them
Happy WM 6.1 Flashing
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He is right works fine, no probs. Dare, and you will get a better performance with some progis eg SCLPC Cube as the original on my friends Touch.
Touchscreen sensivity is better and it is a lot larger than his. If you try to use it with ugly fat little fingers you really get the funktion you want instead of popping up everything what is nearby when your finger left the surface.
The best thing on all of it is: It´s all in here. Use the search buttons, (both of them) and if it seams as if it is not---ask and you get help, that´s for shure.
I believe,Himas are ifone killers. And thank you, to all those heroes, who make this possible and let it happen. I think, I´ve got a long list of names for donations.
BTW: It is nice to be importand --- but is is more importand to be nice.
Hello Seniors,
I have a Tytn II with normal Rom version 3.29.707.0 WWE
Radio Version is 1.65.16.25
I am very new to this ROM cooking & flashing thing but it looks amazing & interesting to see how you make your devices look mesmerizing with all those features that you work upon. I read few instructions about how to install these cooked roms with RUU files..But due to lack of knowledge & experience, it doesn't seem to be working for me. I am looking forward to a Manila 3d or 2d rom's .cab file which comparatively is easier to install. Can someone please help me with a file or a link from where i can get a working Manila or any other Touch 3D rom's .cab file that i can use for my Kaiser..Your help will be highly appreciated.
I found one working .cab file for Manila 2d but it doesn't work in landscape mode.
here u go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507 follow instructions after download and all should be fine, figured i do this b4 they hopped all over you telling you to search
looking for a quick fix will almost always get you nowhere. Try clicking on the link titled "For all the people that want a cool phone" in my Sig and read the post.
Thanks !!
Thank you all for your response as it really was helping. I appreciate your views about the journey. Not just getting the meal served on table rather also to know how it is being prepared in the kitchen & what's it all about ! Will definitely keep up my research & will try to make most of it. Please keep helping & suggesting as it really helps. I know it's not sumthing that you're here for. But again if u spare some time for queries that u feel r considerable it'd be great. And yes i've gone thru the link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507 and tried to make it work on my Kaiser..But Touch-Flo 3d was not initiated even after flashing on screen again & again..I got the Second start up & Diamond Album work though..But didn't see Manila 3D working even i tried installing files in my device memory as specified serial order :
TF3D-QVGA
Opera
HTC AudioManager by Swtos
TF3D Standby
Touch Response
HTC-Diamond-Album
Manilla 3D landscape
Please help if anything needs to be done apart from these !!
Manila 2D does not work in Landscape. Also your ROM version is incorrect. You would know this if you read the whole post, and before flashing -G-'s ROM you need to flash Hard-SPL 3.29
It Worked
Hey I played with the files that were attached in the link mentioned in my previous rep..A little shuffle with them And i made Manila 3D work on my Kaiser..I installed HTC-CA-KAIS- 3D Drivers..Also instead of 3D Standby attached in the same link..I used Mortscript..QVGA Touch Power & TouchPower + TF3D Stanby cabs to get it working alongwith an advanced power menu thru the Power button..The only problem is that the phone has become really slow now. Also the Manila 3D's album feature is not detecting any albums neither looks like working properly. I will try to install Kaiser Tweaks as i read in a thread as my phone is freezing while a call comes !! Any suggestions are welcome..Cheers
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Hey I played with the files that were attached in the link mentioned in my previous rep..A little shuffle with them And i made Manila 3D work on my Kaiser..I installed HTC-CA-KAIS- 3D Drivers..Also instead of 3D Standby attached in the same link..I used Mortscript..QVGA Touch Power & TouchPower + TF3D Stanby cabs to get it working alongwith an advanced power menu thru the Power button..The only problem is that the phone has become really slow now. Also the Manila 3D's album feature is not detecting any albums neither looks like working properly. I will try to install Kaiser Tweaks as i read in a thread as my phone is freezing while a call comes !! Any suggestions are welcome..Cheers
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Glad you got everything working, but obviously when you download a lot of crap that wasn't meant for your phone onto your phone,to make it look cool, it uses a lot of resources. While TF3D looks really cool and everyone here has done a great job porting it to our Kaisers, I still think that M2D gives you a lot more " bang for your buck " with fewer problems and fewer needed work a rounds.
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Well i agree Denko that this feature is not meant for Kaisers by default. But by using certain means & making them work is what "Development" is all about. I understand there's a price for everything that we do. And after all d research & experiments that i did with my Kaiser..Its not the "Kewl" thing neither the 3D effect that is making me go crazy but its simpy the efforts & the result that i finally derived through them which again has inspired me that i can go ahead & experiment and maybe create new things too. And I can understand on thing for sure, that for a technology freak, There's no end to modifications & development as it's an on-going process.You've yourself been a part of same thing for a long time now i guess, But for me its sumthing i've stepped upon, So i'l take my time & maybe react too. Though you might find it too small to react & childish too, But datz d way it is. Thanks once again for your wise help & suggestions. Now next thing i'd wanna do to my Tilt is Flash a ROM in it..Maybe by next week. And that's sumthing i'm li'l scared of because i dnt wana cause harm to my device at d same time. And even after reading tutorial, M nt getting it worked as my phone gets disconnected from USB mode as soon as i start burning a ROM. Also i dnt really know how to get a HARD SPL 3.56 on my device. I tried that but it didn't work too. Is there some video tutorial that gives a sneek-peek into the action. Anyways i think m going too fast for that, And there's no hurry. So what are you working upon these days ?? And what do you do ?
Clarify & help please ???
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Manila 2D does not work in Landscape. Also your ROM version is incorrect. You would know this if you read the whole post, and before flashing -G-'s ROM you need to flash Hard-SPL 3.29
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Than'x for your reply. Though what do you mean my ROM version is incorrect ?? I bought this TyTN II GSM version from an HTC Store in august 2008. Still its ROM Version is not upto date ? Well if it isn't then what can i do to get it working. And please just dnt show me direction thru a finger, I might need a GPS as m really not fimiliar with your technical jargons, Be it while communicating with you all or in the thread that you refer people to go read to get their answers..I understand it to an extent..But not good enuff to get it working at one go. Plus i dnt wanna harm my device too
<~THANK YOU~>
fiyaburnz said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507 follow instructions after download and all should be fine, figured i do this b4 they hopped all over you telling you to search
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Than'x buddy..It did work..Though made me work it out from noon till night..But after few shuffles in the files mentioned in your link + Some that i did research & found from other threads..Manilla 3D is finally working in my Kaiser with everything fixed though my device has become a li'l slow that the time when i was using Manila 2D..Anyways i'l use it for a few days & if feel its affecting the speed to an extent where its bothering me i'l remove it !! Anyways than'x for ur help though..Cheers
vicky_crispy said:
Than'x for your reply. Though what do you mean my ROM version is incorrect ?? I bought this TyTN II GSM version from an HTC Store in august 2008. Still its ROM Version is not upto date ? Well if it isn't then what can i do to get it working. And please just dnt show me direction thru a finger, I might need a GPS as m really not fimiliar with your technical jargons, Be it while communicating with you all or in the thread that you refer people to go read to get their answers..I understand it to an extent..But not good enuff to get it working at one go. Plus i dnt wanna harm my device too
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by your ROM version being incorrect i mean that you need -G-'s ROM. After you go through Hard-SPL just install TF3D. The HTC-CA drviers are cooked into his ROM and it makes TF3D a hell of a lot smoother and faster. So you don't need to install the drivers. Thats what was wrong in the first place is you didn't have the drivers which I see you installed in with a CAB but with them bring cooked in it makes it a lot better
How to get -G- Rom ???
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by your ROM version being incorrect i mean that you need -G-'s ROM. After you go through Hard-SPL just install TF3D. The HTC-CA drviers are cooked into his ROM and it makes TF3D a hell of a lot smoother and faster. So you don't need to install the drivers. Thats what was wrong in the first place is you didn't have the drivers which I see you installed in with a CAB but with them bring cooked in it makes it a lot better
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Sir,
thank you for your suggestion. But as I've mentioned in my previous Replies, I am a rookie when it comes to Kaiser or ROM cooking & flashing. So i tried to flash some ROMS in my Kaiser but it failed. I mean my device is connected to my PC thru USB..And then i go thru those normal RUU file initiation screen too. But as it turns into 3 color screen & status shows "0%", It gets stuck right there & gets Disconnected from the USB connection !! And what about HARD SPL...How can i get it done to my Device..Specially with the configuration that i have on Kaiser. Because like i mentioned, I try to flash things through RUU..My phone gets disconnected frm USB ?? And wanted to resolve the query that DO our phones come with a HARD-SPL already ?? What is it actually & Hw can we check if its there on our device already or not ?? I tried by pressing both the "SOFTKEYS" at the same time..all that happened is that my phone screen got locked (Normal screen-lock)..I also tried pressing CAMERA & POWER buttons together for almost 30 seconds..Nothing happened Well these threads help me to an extent as i keep reading. But if there's some specific directions that i can get specific to my query. It might help..Or maybe if there's a Video-tutorial. Plus if you are getting what actually my problem is..I mean with the device..like if there are some specific files that i should use for it to get working..Please attach the links if you would. Because i did check the video of Touchflo 3D manila on Youtube & it was quick out there !! Also i installed some Kaiser tweaks (KaiserTweak-nikagl-20080613-1711) as i read in a thread installing tweaks make Kaiser speed up a lil bit when using Manila 3D..But the Touch-Incall-Screen-Tweal seems to give some trouble as the incoming call screen gets stuck..It did twice today morning. So i have un-installed those tweaks !! So if there's sumthing that you think might get my device a li'l boosted up along with Manila 3D..Please refer that too !! I'l try to flash a ROM once i receive your response about how & which version of HARD SPL will b fine for my Kaiser..And how can i get it on my device ??
Your reply will be awaited & appreciated.. Thanks in Advance
Flashing Your First Kaiser Rom (For Noobs)
click the link stylez posted, don't be embarrassed, I was there about 6 months ago
vicky_crispy said:
Than'x buddy..It did work..Though made me work it out from noon till night..But after few shuffles in the files mentioned in your link + Some that i did research & found from other threads..Manilla 3D is finally working in my Kaiser with everything fixed though my device has become a li'l slow that the time when i was using Manila 2D..Anyways i'l use it for a few days & if feel its affecting the speed to an extent where its bothering me i'l remove it !! Anyways than'x for ur help though..Cheers
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no prob i used it and it worked fine for me i just switched back to 2d about 2 days ago and im already thinking about going back to 3d
installing M3D really makes my Kaiser slow. i installed M2D instead and installed M3D skin i dont have any problem w/ it right now
yeah but buddy here is the thing. The skin pales compared to the actual thing . And you probably didn't flash -G-'s ROM I bet?
Flashed GK.10.Final Rom
kaiserII101 said:
yeah but buddy here is the thing. The skin pales compared to the actual thing . And you probably didn't flash -G-'s ROM I bet?
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Hey Senior..Than'x for all your support & guidance..I flashed Garmin's version 10 final rom on my Kaiser yesterday night..I had a li'l fear in my mind before i initiated HardSPL 3.29 & then Flashing GK.10.Final on my phone but all that happened very smooth & gave my device an all new look. Now what i am wondering is that how can i use Manila 3D or should i say 3D interface on my Kaiser. Or i must say you advice me what will look the best on my Kaiser. If you have any roms or suggestions upon what can i do post installing -G-'s rom on my kaiser..Or is it the complete package within itself..Please do advice me regarding this..I really would like to move on to the next level..Its really adventurous..Cheers to y'all !!
Regards,
Vicky
Everything you need for Manila3D should be in the ZIP file over at the TF3D thread. Be sure to read the Readme
SUCCESS !!!
kaiserII101 said:
Everything you need for Manila3D should be in the ZIP file over at the TF3D thread. Be sure to read the Readme
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Senior I used the TF3D files in the .rar file as you mentioned in the post yesterday night itself as the excitement was too high & it was too hard to stop..So i worked upon my Kaiser till the morning & uploaded TF3D Manila. To my wonder the Incall Tweak was not required this time as the phone didn't freeze on incoming call. Earlier it didn't use to display caller ID as it was left hidden begind Manila Interface..But not anymore. I also used some additional tabs like the Additional 3 tabs, Call Log, Calendar & Command manager tabs. I also installed S2U2 v 1.52 on my phone. And now TF3D Manila works on my Kaiser like the Nitrous in the car. Then i used Flash Format & formatted my 4Gig card as it got corrupted a li'l while back with the folders getting unaccessible with some strange signs & i was unable to format it using Pocket Mechanic. But finally everything is in place & working absolutely fine herre as i have installed some more programs using the other threads for Kaiser software..Will try & add some Pictures of Manila 3D running over Garmin's DK.10.Final ROM. Will cherish this ROM for sometime & then will try using something different & better on my Kaiser. You can advice what will be the next thing that i should do which will be fantastic for my Device !!
It would have never been possible without you guys who work hard on development part & bother to help rookies like us with queries too. Gr8 job
hi guys i'm new to this forum and i'm going to buy the x1 tomorrow hopefully, first i wanted a samsung jet but the x1 is way better because of WinMo, The keyboard and other things wich i really like.
there r few things that i'd like to know, and yes i did some reading first
1- is there any drawback that i might expect from the x1?
2- is it upgradeable to WinMo 6.5?
3- what is ROM development? is it changing the whole OS?
4- what r the mods or tweaks that i might consider to do first?
sry if i'm asking something that is answered somewhere else but i'm new to SE and WinMo so any help will be greatly appreciated
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hi guys i'm new to this forum and i'm going to buy the x1 tomorrow hopefully, first i wanted a samsung jet but the x1 is way better because of WinMo, The keyboard and other things wich i really like.
there r few things that i'd like to know, and yes i did some reading first
1- is there any drawback that i might expect from the x1?
2- is it upgradeable to WinMo 6.5?
3- what is ROM development? is it changing the whole OS?
4- what r the mods or tweaks that i might consider to do first?
sry if i'm asking something that is answered somewhere else but i'm new to SE and WinMo so any help will be greatly appreciated
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1) Xperia is great in many ways, and you would be investing in something that can last for a long time. Right now, there are no serious draw back to it, at least Physical wise. Its been a long time since it's initial release date, so I would expect Ericsson to have tweaked the structure for its advantage. The best part about the xperia x1 is that its very compatible, and can withstand many different types of ROMS
2) In short, yes, but only through ROMS
3) ROMS are to Operating systems as Phones are to Computers; or its the operating system of the phone. Yes, the operating system gets changed when you flash a ROM to your device (Mobile 6.1 is boring anyways). There are a couple ways of doing this, which you shoudl read up on, but in general, you hardSPL your device from your computer using a program (which allows custom ROMS to be transformed to your device), and then use the computer to run a customRUU, in which the new custom ROM is then transferred to the device. There are other ways of doing this, but you can research that yourself.
4) I recommend either Phoenix 2 or valkyrie 6.0, which are custom ROMS with a ton of tweaks already preloaded in them. Go to the ROM threads for more info.
Thanx So Much For Ur reply,
so u r saying that i can have WinMo 6.5 without any mods or with mods?
is this process hard that i might kill the phone or something? if it is not easy like placing some files on the phone and enjoy, can i backup the whole thing so i can flash it back to the state which i bought it in? cause i'm new to the whole WinMo thing, also will it spoil the warranty? cause if so, i'll stick with mods on the normal WinMo 6.1 for a while.
ahmedsalem89 said:
Thanx So Much For Ur reply,
so u r saying that i can have WinMo 6.5 without any mods or with mods?
is this process hard that i might kill the phone or something? if it is not easy like placing some files on the phone and enjoy, can i backup the whole thing so i can flash it back to the state which i bought it in? cause i'm new to the whole WinMo thing, also will it spoil the warranty? cause if so, i'll stick with mods on the normal WinMo 6.1 for a while.
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Yep, you can either find a clean Win 6.5 ROM with nothing pre-loaded into it, or one with stuff pre-loaded into it. The process is easier than I first thought: just hardSPL your device, which an app does for you, and then do the same thing for ROMS, in which you dowload the ROm, hook up your computer to your phone, and launch the customRUU exe that comes with it. A lot of peopel might say its way more complicated, but this is generally it. Search hardSPL in forums.
nice, thanx for these useful info but i guess i'll stick with WinMo 6.1 for a while now, but i messed it up anyway tried to install mobidiv arabic support but it showed letters backwards so i uninstalled it and now i have no words in some certain places can u refer me to a working mobidiv multilangual support?
ahmedsalem89 said:
nice, thanx for these useful info but i guess i'll stick with WinMo 6.1 for a while now, but i messed it up anyway tried to install mobidiv arabic support but it showed letters backwards so i uninstalled it and now i have no words in some certain places can u refer me to a working mobidiv multilangual support?
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Did you check here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=525763
thanx so much for ur replay I installed the second one and it worked great, overall the phone is amazing I installed some programs like xperia tweak, and touchresponse, i have a lot of games with the phone but they r all demo i guess all the games out there must be paid for, I just have more questions,
1-what's a manila?
2-I remember I once used internet on a WinMo phone connected to a computer through USB, is it possible with the xperia? I.E. if i have a working internet connection on my computer, can i use internet on my xperia through this same connection via USB cable?
3-Flash support for opera?? I'm downloading Opera Mobile 10 and then try to play a youtube video and see what happens
4-Can u plz refer me to a good music player that has equilizer?
5-Despite the quality of the sound is very good but the volume is low, is there something to raise or boost the volume?
I know these r lots of Questions but i'll really appreciate if u answer
ahmedsalem89 said:
thanx so much for ur replay I installed the second one and it worked great, overall the phone is amazing I installed some programs like xperia tweak, and touchresponse, i have a lot of games with the phone but they r all demo i guess all the games out there must be paid for, I just have more questions,
1-what's a manila?
2-I remember I once used internet on a WinMo phone connected to a computer through USB, is it possible with the xperia? I.E. if i have a working internet connection on my computer, can i use internet on my xperia through this same connection via USB cable?
3-Flash support for opera?? I'm downloading Opera Mobile 10 and then try to play a youtube video and see what happens
4-Can u plz refer me to a good music player that has equilizer?
5-Despite the quality of the sound is very good but the volume is low, is there something to raise or boost the volume?
I know these r lots of Questions but i'll really appreciate if u answer
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1- manila is another name for Touch Flo 3D, which is HTC's proprietary GUI. Since it's extremely finger friendly and easy to use, a lot of cooks include it in their ROMs
2 - sync your phone using active sync, there is a check box that will let you use your desktop's internet on your X1 as long as your phone is connected via active sync (sorry for being vague, i don't have AS installed)
3 - most cooked ROMs already have flash support for internet browsers. for stock ROMs, there are cabs around that'll give you flash (again, sorry for being vague, i'd been using cooked ROMs for more than a year and all of them have flash)
4- Manila has the Audio Booster app has EQ settings. You can also try windows media player, nitrogen, coreplayer... there are tons of music apps for WinMo
5- Look for the "audiopara" cab somewhere in the forum
thanx so much for these useful info., so is manila a .cab that could be installed, cuz i'm downloading a 33 MB file that is supposed to install touchflo panel it's a .cab i think.
right now i'm looking for a good audio player, and a divx player, BTW can I play Rmvb video files on the xperia??
regarding the audiopara i searched but all i found was related to roms or certain roms: new roms, and others that i don't rembember the name but the prob. is that I don't know which one will work for my x1, can u help me?
Hi xda-people
I've had a Xperia X1 for a while now and it's been great, but it's time to move on... Dunno what I'm getting yet but I want to give my X1 to my dad, thing is, the X1 isn't the easiest phone to use if you have to call someone to turn on the TV... OK so my dad isn't that bad but I want to make the phone as simple as possible. Can someone point me to a ROM that is very easy to work with. My dad won't have appreciation for Eye Candy or animations and things like that. The only things he'll use is the Phone functions(phone, SMS and contacts) and the GPS (I use TomTom, so that's sorted)
The only thing I want in the ROM is actually something I don't want in the ROM... Panels... Sure they look good, but they crash all the time and are generally rather frustrating. I currently use 826x's ROM which has the Panel button Assigned to a task manager which is great.
At the moment I'm thinking of using this ROM as it is very fast and stable and then just using Spb mobile shell with only one homepage with shortcuts to all the stuff my father would use right there.
Can anyone give me a better solution? A ROM suggestion? Any comments will be appreciated
the stock rom is the best choice
buy him a Nokia.
just kidding!
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buy him a Nokia.
just kidding!
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I thought you would say Jack's ROM.
Jack's rom not a bad idea.... 3.3 Lite with VITO applications FunContact, SMS-Chat and iPhone like Winterface makes a very userfriendly phone.
Sense is the easiest to use interface, 826x is the best. Remove some tabs and install another dialer (X2 dialer is better than HTC. I call someone even that I don't want, because it initiate a call after touching a contact). The issues with sense is that is power hungry and dometimes laggy.
If you want pure speed, try a clean ROM(Twingle has a nice one, while Laurenti has a cleaner one, but it misses some important stuff). Titanium is a great interface, but you have to remove some lines, because ait is too crouded. Use Home customizer or Titanium customizer (don't remember exactly) to remove some panels and add some like weather and apps.
Cheers!
Touch-x 10.9 is the best
Hi guys
So the problem is that when i start my phone and its ready it shows me one message you can see it in the pictures i upload. It says that an unexpected error was occurred in Shake.exe I don't even know what is this program and what it does. The previous thing i do was to uninstall the slide to unlock program that i found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523485 and because i don't like it i uninstall it and when i turned on the phone this massage came across (i don't know if i can express like that bad english)
So do i have to uninstall the tf3d and then to install it again or i can do something else to avoid that. The tf3d i use is that TF3D HD beta 3 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448178)
btw the phone is working fine when i turned off the tf3d so my phone is OK i just want to turn back my tf3d but everytime i do that it couldn't launch. So pls help here.
Regards, Georgi
that build is soo old! use the latest build which is a one cab install from the TG01 themes and apps forum. Bug free and stable. Hard reset after installation for better results
georgi3000 said:
Hi guys
So the problem is that when i start my phone and its ready it shows me one message you can see it in the pictures i upload. It says that an unexpected error was occurred in Shake.exe I don't even know what is this program and what it does. The previous thing i do was to uninstall the slide to unlock program that i found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523485 and because i don't like it i uninstall it and when i turned on the phone this massage came across (i don't know if i can express like that bad english)
So do i have to uninstall the tf3d and then to install it again or i can do something else to avoid that. The tf3d i use is that TF3D HD beta 3 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448178)
btw the phone is working fine when i turned off the tf3d so my phone is OK i just want to turn back my tf3d but everytime i do that it couldn't launch. So pls help here.
Regards, Georgi
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all those links to threads u showed us is at least 1-2 years old. the trouble with such old mods is that they are often very buggy and as people tend to opt for newer software, bugs on older software tend to go unreported.
what i would do if i were u would be to flash a new ROM instead of using your stock ROM. what this gives you is new software and hardware, with constant bug fixes. if you are bent on having a TF3D interface, look up Energy's ROM. he has skinned it in at least 3-4 different ways so im sure there is one that you'd like