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Someone is trying to make money out of the work being done here

I was stunned to see that the utility being distributed at
http://www.e-junkie.com/shop/product/35995.php
after you pay $3.95 is the same lokiwiz developed here.
the developers should request royalties......

I have written to the company. I suggest everyone else who can be bother also spam them until they remove the advert. I'm not optimistic, but let's try.
This software is stolen:
http://www.e-junkie.com/shop/product/35995.php
It is a free application being sold for profit. Please remove this inappropriate posting.
The free version can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474&highlight=lokiwiz
If you do not remove the post, please modify it to show that it can be downloaded freely.
V(moderator at www.xda-developers.com)
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this kind of people are the ones we should get rid out of the forums, but then agaiin we dont have the capability to do this, this is sad!

OMG! He is selling it on eBay too
http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZevosevo
What the heck is "Federal Register Document 65 FR 64555"? Stated at the bottom of his add "Based upon the Federal Anticircumvention ruling of October 27, 2006 this process is completely legal & is not in violation of any law or ebay policy. You may review this ruling on the Federal Register of the US Copyright Office.
Federal Register Document 65 FR 64555"
UPDATE: Ok, I've got the doc here
http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2000/65fr64555.pdf
From that it seems, he even had the date wrong, it is 2000 not 2006. And, from what I can understand (a non-law person), it said that anyone who wish to restrict the other person from distributing any copyright materials, should produce enough proofs to do so.
UPDATE: I'm reporting it as being OEM software and Beta state (e.g. the unlocker, as they are always in 0.X), which is not allowed in eBay.
In the previous case, we did successfully bring down a eBay lister. All you need to do is just report it! Help, go login eBay and report this seller
http://myworld.ebay.com.au/evosevo/
UPDATE: I've reported him on ejunkies as well. I've attacked him on the other stuff he is selling like the 2003 upgrades which includes Outlook, e-Wallet, and Dashboard which is obviously copyright materials.

according to ebays vero policy if the intellectual rights owner was to report that this person did not have permission to sell & distribute the s/w ebay would be obliged to remove the listing but only the creator would have the ability to do this.
that said if the s/w is made available under the GNU open source something or other then technically there is nothing that can be done about it, technically......
anyone can still report the items as being an illegal compilation distributed on cd-r or electronically although this can become tedious when ebay do nothing for weeks at a time

Here's someone on dutch ebay trying to sell wm6, don't know how they got it and who's it is though.

Did you sell your soul for games?

Found at uk.yahoo
As i can not post link here is the complete article:
Answer this question honestly – do you read the small print when you buy games on the internet?
High Street retailing giant GameStation decided to put this to the test and inserted a new clause into their terms and conditions earlier this month that granted them legal rights to the immortal souls of thousands of their online customers. Here, in darkest legalese, is how they got away with such a heinous act:
"By placing an order via this Web site on the first day of the fourth month of the year 2010 Anno Domini, you agree to grant Us a non transferable option to claim, for now and for ever more, your immortal soul. Should We wish to exercise this option, you agree to surrender your immortal soul, and any claim you may have on it, within 5 (five) working days of receiving written notification from gamestation.co.uk or one of its duly authorised minions."
GameStation’s fiendish clause specified that they might serve such notice in “six foot-high letters of fire” too, but also offered customers an option to opt out, rewarding them with a £5 money-off voucher if they did so.
Alas, hardly anyone noticed the clause, let alone the substantial bonus for spotting the gag. More to the point, the fact that it passed more or less unnoticed raises an important issue – too few people actually read the small print when they make online purchases.
According to GameStation, around 7,500 customers carelessly signed their souls away on the day. Were you one of them...?
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homero25 said:
Found at uk.yahoo
As i can not post link here is the complete article:
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Haha LoL What Jokers

Internet Censorship Bill - CALL/WRITE your representatives!

I didn't see a post for this elsewhere (though some may recall that I have an exceptional ability to miss the obvious ), and you will not hear about this on the news, and it's barely even being covered in print or online. I'm usually too much of a cynic to bother with this sort of activism but this is a big deal, so please grant me 5 minutes of your time; you won't regret it.
The big deal? The "Stop Online Piracy Act" (SOPA). Well wait now, that doesn't sound so bad. We all download music for free here and there, maybe use an "extended trial" of Photoshop, but we know that piracy is technically stealing...so this can't be that bad, right? Wrong. Horribly wrong.
The fact that no news agency is covering this is absolutely insane. We criticize countries like China and Iran for censorship, but at least they don't attempt to conceal it within a vague anti-piracy bill. It is no exaggeration to say that this is one of the most significant bills to come through congress in the past decade, and most people don't even know it exists; much less that discussion began on it today. Of those that do know about it, half of them don't understand why it's a bad thing because H.R.3261 has such an innocuous name (it is also called the Protect IP Act of 2011 in the Senate). Don't be fooled.
"American Censorship Day" - Information on the Internet Blacklist Bills​I urge you to take the time to educate yourself on H.R.3261 "SOPA" and write and/or call your Senators and Congress(wo)men! I guarantee if you spend 10 minutes reading about this, you will understand why I'm using an annoyingly large, bright red font.
The Wikipedia Article has a brief section ("Supporters") that shows--in a nutshell--how some politicians are deceptively framing this as a "pro-jobs" bill, among other pleasant sounding things; this couldn't be further from the truth. This is, in a manner of speaking, trying to apply archaic copyright laws to a 21st century Internet, rather than taking the effort to rewrite the copyright laws to make sense in the modern world.
You can find a lot of information explained very well at "American Censorship Day" website (scroll down past the petition), and I would encourage you to do your own research as well. Sign the petition if you want, but really, it is considerably more effective to call or write (or both!) your representatives.
A few more good links:
"Contacting The Congress" - Easily lookup the names/contact information of your Reps/Senators.
SOPA Wikipedia Article - References - These references link to a variety of websites/articles that are both for and against this bill. I would like to personally point out how most of those in support are entities of a political nature, while those against are largely non-political technology-oriented entities.
Full Text of H.R.3261 [PDF] - A relatively "short" 78 pages.
Hearing Information - House Judiciary Committee - This bill is on "the fastrack," meaning its authors are trying to push it through as quickly as possible...This hearing is where the bill began it's journey today (11/16/11).
I thank you for taking the time to read this; if you choose to reply to this thread, bash me as much as you like, but please keep your responses to each other civil.
Alright, back to rooting my Revo (before doing so is a felony ).
Sincerely,
James

Good stuff the masses don't even realize how important this is
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Basically when this bill passes we have no freedom of speech on the internets. The US government can block websites hosted on servers outside it's borders. And you can get sued for having a song playing on the radio heard in your video posted online.

jaszek said:
Basically when this bill passes we have no freedom of speech on the internets. The US government can block websites hosted on servers outside it's borders. And you can get sued for having a song playing on the radio heard in your video posted online.
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This is ridiculous we must stop them!
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Must stop big brother government before it's too late!

Its getting near time for the guns to come out boys...
Brb, there are strange men in suits at my door....
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Great Job was about to post something about this on here but you beat me to it anyway here are some more links to articles,info and petitions:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-segal/stop-the-internet-blackli_b_739836.html
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http://americancensorship.org/
http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/*
http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/?referring_akid=a2655379.916925._mXAo4&source=auto-taf
P.S keep spreading the word guys!

I think XDA should censor their logo/ and or have the javascript popup to support it http://americancensorship.org/
I have done it to my website for support purposes. come on guys we need this to be halted! So if you have a website/ blog please join the movement and censor your website for a day!

I guess this is the day when we finally found out for sure that govenments can be bought and paid for by greedy corporations.
You are now no longer being ruled by an elected body, but by a fat-cat in a pin-stripe suit.
This is the new world order i guess.

Very well written. I know quite a bit about this topic, since we will get something called "vorratsdatenspeicherung" where I live (austria). Basically The government logs your internet connection and it logs when and who you call/write a sms/ send an email and where you were by doing that.
Should be published on the portal!
I do what i want, because I can.

THIS IS CRAZY

This has to be one of those interpretation of the law issues though surely? I mean... you can't be prosecuted for lying on a dating profile about your height, weight, age etc. There'd be nobody left on match.com

Mykocorum said:
This has to be one of those interpretation of the law issues though surely? I mean... you can't be prosecuted for lying on a dating profile about your height, weight, age etc. There'd be nobody left on match.com
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The way the law is written does allow for scenarios like the one you propose. The retort of the politicians is, "We won't ever (ab)use this power for doing stuff like that, never ever." I don't know about you, but that's not too reassuring for me. If it's not abused now by these politicians, it'll be abused later by future politicians. Not to mention the precedent it sets...Once you give the government a little bit of control, it becomes very easy for them to get a lot of control.
Even if this were solely an interpretation of the law issue I'd still be against it, because Congress shouldn't be writing laws that can be so easily misinterpreted.
A link to the full text is up there, I plan on reading it tomorrow.

I totally agree the law should be written so that there is no room for interpretation.. you know if what you are doing is illegal from day one, ignorance is not a defence, but as devils advocate the counter is that you end up with thousands of very specific laws for hundreds of situations whilst occurrences the lawmakers didn't think of at the time are getting through loopholes and running away.
Circumstantially you should really be able to use the end purpose of why you are doing what you are doing as to the criminality of what's going down. I don't think anyone on this board would argue that a 40 year old man pretending to be a 13 year old girl on a forum or website to talk to other teenagers should be made illegal and is a very wrong thing - but who hasn't said they are two inches taller on a dating profile or put their build down as "athletic" rather than "a few extra pounds"

Bear in mind that the UK equivalent to this, the 'Digital Economy Act' was passed into law some time ago with barely a whimper of protest. Just like ProtectIP, it was kept quiet and barely reported on until it was too late. We just woke up one morning to draconian new laws. Again, it was bought and paid for by big media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2010
I doubt anything can be done to stop the same happening in the US, but perhaps enough pressure can be brought to bear to force some changes to the act. At least you guys have advanced warning to do something about it.
Edit: Big Content stacks Senate Committee
"US Senators have done their level best to give Big Content the law it wants to basically lock up citizens who might think of piracy or file sharing without having to worry about that pesky thing called constitution. The House Judiciary Committee today held an important hearing on the Stop Online Piracy Act but only those witnesses who would not object to the law being invited. This was designed to give the impression that all the witnesses were in favour of the law."

Bump this baby. Also voted for frontpage!
I do what i want, because I can.

DirkGently said:
Bear in mind that the UK equivalent to this, the 'Digital Economy Act' was passed into law some time ago with barely a whimper of protest. Just like ProtectIP, it was kept quiet and barely reported on until it was too late. We just woke up one morning to draconian new laws. Again, it was bought and paid for by big media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2010
I doubt anything can be done to stop the same happening in the US, but perhaps enough pressure can be brought to bear to force some changes to the act. At least you guys have advanced warning to do something about it.
Edit: Big Content stacks Senate Committee
"US Senators have done their level best to give Big Content the law it wants to basically lock up citizens who might think of piracy or file sharing without having to worry about that pesky thing called constitution. The House Judiciary Committee today held an important hearing on the Stop Online Piracy Act but only those witnesses who would not object to the law being invited. This was designed to give the impression that all the witnesses were in favour of the law."
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Thanks for posting this...It's absolutely crazy...I'm sure they'll find a way to completely circumvent a public hearing that gives opponents a chance to speak throughout the entire process.

jamRwoo said:
Thanks for posting this...It's absolutely crazy...I'm sure they'll find a way to completely circumvent a public hearing that gives opponents a chance to speak throughout the entire process.
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As always, the people can have a say.. at the ballot box!
I'm pleased to report that the government that introduced the DEA in the UK, lost in the next election shortly afterwards. (After being in power for thirteen years).
Karma b*tches!

Bumping this due to some developments...
Well, this is finally seeing the light of day and getting coverage by some news agencies; caught these articles on Drudge Report.
I just want to say that I hope Chris Dodd dies in a fire. Slowly. FYI: He's a former Senator spearheading this bill AND the new head of the MPAA. Primarily by attempting to bribe members of Congress. Gotta love that the Hollywood/Record Label lobbyists are getting all the airtime, while the people who actually understand this stuff are being silenced as much as possible.
Not too late to call/write your representatives. You can also share these links with your friends...tweet them, facebook them, reddit them, do whatever. If these links don't scare the living s**t out of you, well...idk...too many benzos perhaps. Feel free to copy this post and use it wherever, if you wish.
All of these articles are great and cover a different aspect (with some overlap) of the consequences of this legislation. Props to The Hill for giving this so much coverage; glad someone's doing it.
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MPAA Head Chris Dodd on Online Censorship Bill: China's the Model -- http://bit.ly/u7kgXy
"When the Chinese told Google that they had to block sites or they couldn't do [business] in their country, they managed to figure out how to block sites."
Google chairman says online piracy bill would 'criminalize' the Internet -- http://bit.ly/tRWEnj
"It's not a good thing. I understand the goal of what SOPA and PIPA are trying to do," Schmidt said of the Senate counterpart bill, the Protect IP Act. "Their goal is reasonable, their mechanism is terrible. They should not criminalize the intermediaries. They should go after the people that are violating the law."
Internet piracy bill: A free speech 'kill switch' -- http://bit.ly/tY6o6f
Consider this: Under the proposed legislation all that’s required for government to shutdown a specific website is the mere accusation that the site unlawfully featured copyrighted content. Such an accusation need not be proven – or even accompanied by probable cause. All that an accuser (or competitor) needs to do in order to obtain injunctive relief is point the finger at a website.
Legal expert says online piracy bill is unconstitutional -- http://bit.ly/tNBUDH
"Conceivably, an entire website containing tens of thousands of pages could be targeted if only a single page were accused of infringement," Tribe writes. "Such an approach would create severe practical problems for sites with substantial user-generated content, such as Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, and for blogs that allow users to post videos, photos, and other materials."
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God, do I hate politicians.
P.S. For those interested in a more detailed analysis of how this is a flagrant violation of free speech: Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor and Supreme Court advocate, wrote a memo detailing how SOPA does exactly that -- http://scr.bi/sFSRBg

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My honest opinion on MegaUpload being taken down

MHO the whole SOPA thing and americans' crackdown on piracy aint gonna stop it. Its up to the people themselves to decide whether they pirate or support. No matter how much effort or money the US or other governments waste on trying to stop piracy, its not going to stop. The online community has unlimited possibilites and there's always gonna be somebody that's gonna make a workaround, if you understand what i mean. All SOPA's gonna do is cause unnecessary inconvenience in the online world.
MegaUpload... hmm... i thought at first that it was a stupid move, I mean, there are loads of different file-hosting sites out there, why only take down MegaUpload? I mean sites like FileSonic and others that pay uploaders money for downloads are way more prone to illegitimate uses.
Alright so I read MegaUpload CEO's Kim Dotcom's bio, he does have quite an interesting history... A dual German and Finland citizen, holds permanent residency in both New Zealand and Hong Kong. He has multiple criminal records and has been charged more than twice or so for criminal offenses such as selling hacked telephone cards, credit card fraud, insider trading and embezzlement... in general, being a total smart arse:
WIKIPEDIA: In 2001, Schmitz (Kim) purchased $375,000 worth of shares of the nearly bankrupt company LetsBuyIt.com and subsequently announced his intention to invest EUR 50 million in the company. Unknown to others, Schmitz did not have the funds available to invest, although the announcement caused the share value of LetsBuyIt.com to jump by nearly 300%.Schmitz quickly sold the shares and profited $1.5 million as a result.
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In other words, he was a dirty business man with a bad reputation. I guess his criminal records would be the main reason why he was taken down first. I'm quite confident there are more coming.
As to how it affects me, it does a lot. I have quite a few files I need on MU... I don't have a premium account and would never buy one off them or anyone else, because I don't need it. I sure feel sorry for those who have a prem though...
^^ Again, this is my honest opinion.

Megaupload being taken down really sucks
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negrobembon said:
Megaupload being taken down really sucks
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Couldn't agree more!

Yeah, it really sucks. Let's hope other file sharing sites don't get the same fate. Rapidshare etc. Not as good as Mega though... Here's my latest post on facebook lol
"Megaupload taken down by the Federal Government. ****ing ridiculous. The company was not EVEN BASED in the US. Is the US government now policing the rest of the world. They got the New Zealand police to arrest the founders, and the company base is in Hong Kong. How can they bring people from another part of the world, not even US citizens, and have them arrested... just adds to the bull**** with SOPA and PIPA. We are going to have a censored internet just like North Korea. **** THE US GOVERNMENT. DAMN. They need to get their priorities straight. Giving people years of jailtime for downloading music or small crimes, yet when someone murders someone you might get a year or two if your lucky. Something I saw someone post, download a Michael Jackson song and get 5 years prison, be the Dr. killing him and you get 1-2. smh.."

The megaupload. Being taken down doesnt surprise me personally. Its like limewire, it was a really blatant piracy hub. There was legitimate business on the site but it was mostly a hotbed for stolen data.
There are plenty of other oprions. Rapidshare, filehippo, dropbox

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LordManhattan said:
Here you go: fake link removed
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Please stop posting that IP around. It's not real. The owners of the real MegaUpload have nothing to do with these "New MegaUpload" sites. Now for being stupid I hope you get a virus and have your bank account zeroed.
But seriously, do you really think they would put it back up right after it was closed? Someone just took a cached version to have the layout, put the text in there, and now they are thinking how to infect your computer and steal your money.
(yes, I am copy and pasting that whenever I see those numbers)

Yeah, just saw your reply in the other thread.
You should edit the quote out of your post

We don't need two MU threads....
Well, I don't anyway
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sign this petition for the price of Nexus 4 is the same for everyone

Good afternoon.
would it be possible to sign this petition by most member possible? so if pouriez seen the move in a location where it would be visible by the more members as possible, thank you for all of us
http://www.activism.com/it_IT/petizione/lg-nexus-4-tagliamo-il-prezzo-italiano/39734

alessa said:
Good afternoon.
would it be possible to sign this petition by most member possible? so if pouriez seen the move in a location where it would be visible by the more members as possible, thank you for all of us
http://www.activism.com/it_IT/petizione/lg-nexus-4-tagliamo-il-prezzo-italiano/39734
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This will not do alot unless you target the Governments that are making it cost more. Not something you can really do anything about.

zelendel said:
This will not do alot unless you target the Governments that are making it cost more. Not something you can really do anything about.
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of course it is the fault of LG! proof with asus and the price of the Nexus 7 which is the same as the shop either on the playstore.

Things cost different amounts in different countries. Get over it

ap3604 said:
Things cost different amounts in different countries. Get over it
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That is not the reason why the prices are different

If Google wish to subsidise the phone to get people to use their store, that's upto them.
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Frankly, these petitions are getting out of hand! Its supposed to be a powerful tool to gather the masses for things that really matter. Open source, more support, freedom, things that are important. LG or any other manufacturer for that matter won't reduce their prices just because someone who does not know half the things going behind pricing decisions, asks them to. Don't like the pricing, don't buy.
This needs to be stopped, or even the petitions which would have had an impact otherwise will start looking like someone throwing a tantrum.

anirudh412 said:
Frankly, these petitions are getting out of hand! Its supposed to be a powerful tool to gather the masses for things that really matter. Open source, more support, freedom, things that are important. LG or any other manufacturer for that matter won't reduce their prices just because someone who does not know half the things going behind pricing decisions, asks them to. Don't like the pricing, don't buy.
This needs to be stopped, or even the petitions which would have had an impact otherwise will start looking like someone throwing a tantrum.
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This!
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anirudh412 said:
Frankly, these petitions are getting out of hand! Its supposed to be a powerful tool to gather the masses for things that really matter. Open source, more support, freedom, things that are important. LG or any other manufacturer for that matter won't reduce their prices just because someone who does not know half the things going behind pricing decisions, asks them to. Don't like the pricing, don't buy.
This needs to be stopped, or even the petitions which would have had an impact otherwise will start looking like someone throwing a tantrum.
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Exactly this :highfive:
I sure hope a google employee isn't on this forum reading these threads. Google comes out with a phone that is much less expensive than anything else of comparable specs and yet we still have people trying to stir up the masses against them?
Should I start a petition against toyota that my car costs a different amount than in other countries? How about any manufacturer of anything I start a petition against?

Everyone stop acting as company CEO's, your beloved item you want isn't the price you want, DONT BUY IT. You can even go ahead and hate the company, that's not how vusiness is conducted. Company choose prices and then consumers decide if they buy or not. And then, guess on who's wallet it is if they didn't choose the optimal price? THE COMPANY, so shut up and swallow the pill or start your own phone making business.

There are much more important things that you guys could create a petition for.

I went ahead and reported this thread to the mods to lock / delete.

Austrian here. If anyone from Germany would be kind enough to send me a nexus 4 from Germany please pm me. We can talk about shipping price and extras via private messages. Thank you in advance
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So the nexus 7 is the same price in store and on the play store but the nexus 4 isn't?
I've signed the petition bro and wish you guys all the best in Italy.
Good luck.
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There are much more important things that you guys could create a petition for.
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Then why don't you take some action and try do something about it?

I think, and I want to believe that this reaction from your part at all, and due to a misunderstanding of the fact. know that the problem is producing not only for Italy, but for all of Europe and probably even for the usa! LG has decided to sell its nexus € 4590 / $, then it is available to 350 € / $ on google playstore. but the real concern is that some countries are not entitled to google playstore, and even if this is not the fault of LG, were it even really penalizes countries that are in the story! ! In addition to that, how can sell LG mobile google, which declare his mobile trying to sell € 350 / $ because it is mobile prices too expensive! So yes, it is true that the petition is based are made for much more serious problem than the price of a smartphone, but at the same time, this is the only way that works for a multinational company has to understand that we sum does not agree with his political advantage against all odds!
ap3604 said:
I went ahead and reported this thread to the mods to lock / delete.
Anyone else reading this please do the same :good:
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under your username sense, I would like you to remember that we are civilized and free people to express these feelings WITHOUT SANSURE! so if you disagree with my point of view, which is your right after all, its not a reason to ask for a closing thread is NOT offensive to anyone, OR trigger hatred !

OK guys cool down. The mods already know about this thread. And while I think it is pointed in the wrong direction it is not hurting anyone. If it gets out of hand I will close it.
Now as for the "without censor" that is not the case. This thread will be censored if it gets out of hand.
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alessa said:
under your username sense, I would like you to remember that we are civilized and free people to express these feelings WITHOUT SANSURE! so if you disagree with my point of view, which is your right after all, its not a reason to ask for a closing thread is NOT offensive to anyone, OR trigger hatred !
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You think you should be able to post anything on a privately owned forum with no controls from the moderators?
As for the thread being locked / deleted, that's because these sort of petition threads don't do anything good for the forum and always turn into flamewars. You can see the same thing happening in the "petition for microsd card slot" thread below this one.

alessa said:
I think, and I want to believe that this reaction from your part at all, and due to a misunderstanding of the fact. know that the problem is producing not only for Italy, but for all of Europe and probably even for the usa! LG has decided to sell its nexus € 4590 / $, then it is available to 350 € / $ on google playstore. but the real concern is that some countries are not entitled to google playstore, and even if this is not the fault of LG, were it even really penalizes countries that are in the story! ! In addition to that, how can sell LG mobile google, which declare his mobile trying to sell € 350 / $ because it is mobile prices too expensive! So yes, it is true that the petition is based are made for much more serious problem than the price of a smartphone, but at the same time, this is the only way that works for a multinational company has to understand that we sum does not agree with his political advantage against all odds!
under your username sense, I would like you to remember that we are civilized and free people to express these feelings WITHOUT SANSURE! so if you disagree with my point of view, which is your right after all, its not a reason to ask for a closing thread is NOT offensive to anyone, OR trigger hatred !
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We should sansur your right to speak with such grammar.

I'm really grieve but I'm a Belgian of Italian origin who does not understand English very well but uses google translation because I have a passion. please excuse my vocabulary. I do not want nothing to create a polemic, just that my intention is to collect a max of person who will want to join my cause. thank you kindly let live thread and will give him a chance.

I wan to start a petition to stop the useless petitions in this forum.