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Ive noticed that the Manila cab from the blackstone has been ported over so was just wondering if it was possible with the pixon/omina.
I was playing with a friends today and I have to say, this phone is MUCH faster than the X1 and it is definatly a better phone. The only advantage the X1 has is panel and a hard keyboard.
As the Omnia or Pixon run of WinMo6.1 would it be difficult to port it?
I mean, it supports landscape which would obv be triggered by the keyboard being pulled out rather than a accelrometer.
Also, the camera kicks ass on the Omnia. Face Detection and 5mp! I know 5mp is impossible on the X1 but is face dectection too hard to implement? Im guessing the only difference between the two phones is the hardware, so face detection is done on a software level.
It would be great to have this on the X1 as I really like the Omnia and am tempted to swap my X1 for it. The only thing im keeping my X1 for is the panels (not sure why) and the hard keyboard.
Or could the panels be ported to the Omnia?
Evostance said:
I was playing with a friends today and I have to say, this phone is MUCH faster than the X1 and it is definatly a better phone. The only advantage the X1 has is panel and a hard keyboard.
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Wait ....... What ?
I dont know how about you, but surfing the internet @ 240*400 is a pain in the ass IMO. More: No d-pad, no OpenGL-ES (?), WAY worse battery life, etc etc.
The Omnia is no match for the X1.
[edit] Oh, wow, I totally forgot about the Omnia's 128MB of RAM vs the 256MB of the X1 ...
Haha, i personally feel that i will keep the X1 instead, how i was hoping to get a X1 or Touch HD , just go throw in the TF3D from Touch Hd, you will love it...
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Wait ....... What ?
I dont know how about you, but surfing the internet @ 240*400 is a pain in the ass IMO. More: No d-pad, no OpenGL-ES (?), WAY worse battery life, etc etc.
The Omnia is no match for the X1.
[edit] Oh, wow, I totally forgot about the Omnia's 128MB of RAM vs the 256MB of the X1 ...
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100% agree
Wow...any of you thought about reading.
I asked for a port of the ROM not a port of the hardware....
Merry Xmas
my understanding is that pixon is a toy phone with a crazy camera from hell
Well the Pixon is its own OS. The Omnia is a windows based phone with a fancy interface and a crazy ass camera.
To be fair, I think they're both equal in term of perfurmance (Omnia has faster processor while Xperia has larger ram) and the OpenGL in Xperia is already taken by the WVGA screen (while in Omnia it WQVGA with no OpenGL) but it still support DivX.
Omnia outstands the Xperia in the camera, including it's flash (although it's Sony's speciality) and Xperia outstands Omina in the display (monitor).
Xperia UI (Panels) is way better than Omnia's (TouchWiz); they're both handy and finger-friendly but TouchWiz is uncustomizable.
Also, Xperia has a full keyboard and more buttons on the outside while Omnia has G-Sensor (Accelerometer) and less in weight, size and price.
Finally, Xperia is better when it comes to SSD Memory Card (don't have to remove the battery) and Stylus (stuck inside instead of hanging on the side). But with the 8 GB inside Omnia, no one needs SSD Memory Card and the interfaces in both are already finger-freindly so through away your styluses.
Well if we go back to the subject...
I think that the difference in screen resolution is a hard nut to crack when porting all the stuff in Omnia to the X1.
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Well if we go back to the subject...
I think that the difference in screen resolution is a hard nut to crack when porting all the stuff in Omnia to the X1.
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exporting doesn't mean raw exporting; it's more of programming the same concept considering the target PPC. I think it's been made already for QVGA devices.
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Wow...any of you thought about reading.
I asked for a port of the ROM not a port of the hardware....
Merry Xmas
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You're right that they didn't answer your question. However, you have to admit; when you need info from people in the X1 forum it's not smart to start by telling why you feel the Omnia is so much better (We all love the X1 here!), as you'll compel others to start a discussion on it.
About that, I've experienced an Omnia. It's a nice toy, but just that, a toy. The X1 is for serious business.
Having said that, I think it's not that easy to port things like panels to the Omnia. As stated above the Omnia's screen just fails in comparison to the X1. Then there's hardware and driver issues to tackle if you get past resolution. I highly doubt you'll find a coder who's willing to do this for you.
I like the Idea of an Omnia Panel
Generally I am tired of the dicussion between the preferences of Omnia / Touch HD / Xperia and so on but I reallylike the idea to have the different phone software on different panels of my X1. Thats why I decided to contribute to this thread. Of course it is not easy to port the Omnia software to the Xperia because of different screen resulution and acceleromater different drivers etc. but thats the challenge!!!
To start the challengenge I want to post all extracted Omnia apps which can found on the following website:
[URL="http://mobile.etechniker.com/"]http://mobile.etechniker.com/[/URL]
I am no developer but already tried to install different apps but with out success. Installing works very well but when you like to start the following error occurs:
"The file 'Contents Manager' can not be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring this file."
Moreover, today plugins and widgets can not be activated after installation. I already tried the new Samsung D3d drivers and Flash lite to install before I start the apps without any success.
Hope there is anybody else interested in porting Omnia apps to the X1 and can help with this issues.
premutos said:
Generally I am tired of the dicussion between the preferences of Omnia / Touch HD / Xperia and so on but I reallylike the idea to have the different phone software on different panels of my X1. Thats why I decided to contribute to this thread. Of course it is not easy to port the Omnia software to the Xperia because of different screen resulution and acceleromater different drivers etc. but thats the challenge!!!
To start the challengenge I want to post all extracted Omnia apps which can found on the following website:
[URL="http://mobile.etechniker.com/"]http://mobile.etechniker.com/[/URL]
I am no developer but already tried to install different apps but with out success. Installing works very well but when you like to start the following error occurs:
"The file 'Contents Manager' can not be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring this file."
Moreover, today plugins and widgets can not be activated after installation. I already tried the new Samsung D3d drivers and Flash lite to install before I start the apps without any success.
Hope there is anybody else interested in porting Omnia apps to the X1 and can help with this issues.
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The thread starter wants it the other way around X1 --> Omnia.
OK If this is the way the thread is about lets delete is from the Xperia Rom section because it does not make any sence to spam rom section. We can start a new thread if anybody is interested in the topic Omnia Panel for X1.
I have been using Memory map on windows mobile for a while now and find it excellent, i have contacted them about a Android version and they have said they have no plans at the moment, so my question is....does anyone know of or is making an app that can read the mmnav files that the maps are saved in ?
This is a fantastic routing prog for hiking, walking, biking etc would love it on my Hero......lets see.......
thanks in advance for any help
I think David gave the impression he was working on this.
I would advise to check
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565516&highlight=os+maps
mail him, and give him some money
Have you tried OS-Maps?
tried em ...
thanks for the suggestions, i have tried both but neither work with the mmnav offline maps that i looking for...will keep trying
Any news on this?
The only thing stopping me from migrating too android is the lack of map software.
I have memory maps for WM, so have maps permanently on my phone.
The key difference is it means I can disable gprs/phone when hiking and save a HUGE amount of battery. the computer sync is nice too.
I want to leave WM behind and go android, but can't until mapping software is good
What is out there?
I would love to get an update on this as well. OS Map does not work in the US and the benefit of Memory-Map is having the map stored on the phone. Critical when you don't have a data connection. Not unusual with T-Mobile.
Check this out http://www.viewranger.com/android/
also look for OS maps on market, might be useful?
Am in same boat as a few others here...
I have EVERY map produced for Memory map(due to job its a must) So am reluctant to move completely from WinMo as the cost of the maps for memory map alone is in the thousands(YES I paid for them not warez). Same goes for Garmin mapsource too..
If we could use all this data on Android may be I would ditch My WinMo.... Till then WinMo is my primary phone and Android just a play thing.
Yes there are several apps out there that show great maps and even os maps but they rely on data connections which is often a problem when out in the mountains. Offline data is a must thus saving battery and cost... Viewranger is ok but that requires purchasing further mapping data I ALREADY HAVE....
The best solution I have found so far for android is Oruxmaps but this still requires the atlas creator to download and create OS Maps using Mutlimap maps.. But when you compare maps say the size of the peak district Orux maps 25k and 50k against memory maps they ares so different memory map = 200 Megs oruxmaps = 1.4gigs
So for me Memory maps and Garmin Mapsource is the main reason I can not move to Android...
Hope there will be a solution forth coming..
regards
Lohtse
Gonna haveto say,I love mem map, I need something that can read Raster Map files. There is no hope to read MMO files, as they are propitiatory files to Mem map. Give me somthing that reads raster maps, and I am gone from WinMo.
Hi,
i had the same problem when i was thinking about switching from WM to Android. So i decided to write an app to read and display QCT files from SD card.
I put this app in the Android Market. It is called "MM Tracker".
There is a free version which just can display the maps and shows your GPS position.
The pay version can record and display tracks as GPX files and is still under development regarding new features.
@Admin: I hope this is not unwanted advertising ? If so, please remove this post. But as i was looking for such an app for a longer time i think this information is useful for some Android users.
Map Man said:
Hi,
i had the same problem when i was thinking about switching from WM to Android. So i decided to write an app to read and display QCT files from SD card.
I put this app in the Android Market. It is called "MM Tracker".
There is a free version which just can display the maps and shows your GPS position.
The pay version can record and display tracks as GPX files and is still under development regarding new features.
@Admin: I hope this is not unwanted advertising ? If so, please remove this post. But as i was looking for such an app for a longer time i think this information is useful for some Android users.
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Not tried it yet, but if it does what you say, your a star, thanks
I think Android has some way to go to be on par with WM, theres so much more WM can do as compaired to Android, Android just seems very basic to me.
Thanks again.
tried to find mm tracker on market but didnt find it! Could some one post it here please?
Sent from my HTC Hero
figured out why can't find MM tracker... You have to have 2.2 froyo flashed.... So mm tracker is somewhat useless to most everyone....
thank you anyway for the effort
lohtse said:
figured out why can't find MM tracker... You have to have 2.2 froyo flashed.... So mm tracker is somewhat useless to most everyone....
thank you anyway for the effort
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Not useless for me, very good program, reads all my old qct maps.
but then I do have 2.2 flashed.
Well alot of us don't have 2.2 flashed. For me its because phone is running great at the mo and don't wish to prat about reinstalling 470+app's on 2.2 just for one app (tried it and well 2.2 seems to dislike 300+app's and that's all ver's have tried) Also 2.2 on hero is still bugging where as 2.1 is near perfect now..
So I PLEAD with the developer to make it 2.1 compatible I for one would be most greatful and consider paying for full version..
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Well alot of us don't have 2.2 flashed. For me its because phone is running great at the mo and don't wish to prat about reinstalling 470+app's on 2.2 just for one app (tried it and well 2.2 seems to dislike 300+app's and that's all ver's have tried) Also 2.2 on hero is still bugging where as 2.1 is near perfect now..
So I PLEAD with the developer to make it 2.1 compatible I for one would be most greatful and consider paying for full version..
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would definitely recommend flashing either floyo or froyd 1.5 to your phone along with flykernel 11.. extremly stable, even faster than 2.1 w/ or w/out sense
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would definitely recommend flashing either floyo or froyd 1.5 to your phone along with flykernel 11.. extremly stable, even faster than 2.1 w/ or w/out sense
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tried several inc villain one had issues with all... Most just would allow me to install all my apps either via titanium, my backup or manual... hence sticking with 2.1
Hmmmmmm! I dunno???????/
Maybe you should update your phone? I`ve had no problems with stock 2.2 froyo on a HTC Desire, apart from it not being as good as WM.
Most software writers will wirte software for latest firmwares will they not? lower vers will soon be obsolite?
someone correct me it i`m wrong?
jedi134 said:
Hmmmmmm! I dunno???????/
Maybe you should update your phone? I`ve had no problems with stock 2.2 froyo on a HTC Desire, apart from it not being as good as WM.
Most software writers will wirte software for latest firmwares will they not? lower vers will soon be obsolite?
someone correct me it i`m wrong?
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I LOVE PEOPLE WHO SAY UPDATE YOUR PHONE LOL.......... Oh Dear that made me laugh.........
As to latest firmware comment it would seem more with the android community this happens .Im primary a WinMo user (got 15 of them) and alot of developers write to allow for wm200se,wm5,wm6,1 an wm6.5 plus wm7 so not always the case... Anyway this has moved away from the issue in hand which is the need for memory map on Android...
Guys i thought i would start a thread to discuss the possibilities of creating an android rom or the possibilty replacing winmo as the primary os.
i know the current build for x1 is buggy, however the x1 is an outdate device now, i own one only as a testing device for my winmo programming. therefore i cant see why we cant have fun with it...
anyone with thoughts, or references welcome. i have a bit of free time coming up so im looking to jump on the x1 - android bandwagon!
I think more important for now is create krenel that contains all hardware configuration (working WiFi, BT, Camera, GPS, turn off LCD, fast working etc. ) if it will be fulfilled it is possible to think about create android rom
radzix27 said:
I think more important for now is create krenel that contains all hardware configuration (working WiFi, BT, Camera, GPS, turn off LCD, fast working etc. ) if it will be fulfilled it is possible to think about create android rom
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although it is not a priority it is still interesting to look at...
for instance it would reduce the non helpful post on how to use/install
Reversedhex said:
although it is not a priority it is still interesting to look at...
for instance it would reduce the non helpful post on how to use/install
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You're absolutely right. But ... who would flash his phone with a rom, which can't use the speaker for ringtones and which drains the battery.
I agree with vdelf - as soon as we see a working kernel worth for daily use, we might look into the issue of flashing android rom.
Bluetooth, GPS and Camera still not working for many htc devices. However, sound, ringtone is of highest requests for X1
I am with _Sensible on this one (not the "outdated"-part ). Android is not ready for primary OS on the X1, but it is not that far away. Why not start to create a rom? IMHO that will take some time, too. And that way we do not have to wait for a rom when the kernel is ready
If speaker and screen issues will solve then may try to cook android rom
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You're absolutely right. But ... who would flash his phone with a rom, which can't use the speaker for ringtones and which drains the battery.
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I would....
but then again I do have two xperia's so it wont matter if one isn't working properly.
btw this would be a nice time to stop talking about why and start talking about how.
maybe the knowledge can be found in the tp2 forum again....?
thanks for all your thoughts guys. i realise a flashable rom isnt a priority but i was thinking along the lines of vdelf. if we start this development now it may tie in nicely with a functional kernel.
in terms of how to do it...
1. binary image written via a 'flasher' app etc etc.
2. I wonder if we can install an os via android-through-haret? like the install option from an ubuntu live cd?
like i said, i have some free time soon so will do some R+D.
I hope so for that Android ROM .
android as a rom. hmm lookin forward to it. cant wait
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android as a rom. hmm lookin forward to it. cant wait
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same here - im sick of winmo glitches and problems,been reading alot about this project and i hope that all the x1 hardware works on it.
I'm looking forward for rom too. But not because of WM glitches, but because android will extend life of xperia. WM6.5 is dying os. Most software from actual companies is either for Android or iPhone (and probably for WP7S soon), apps for WM6.5.x and older are becoming rare.
I would really like to see actual rom, but i think you should put priorities on power managemnet, brigthness and sound. I can live with haret until then
Anyone have experience using the fastboot bootloader / recovery options for android roms?
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I'm looking forward for rom too. But not because of WM glitches, but because android will extend life of xperia. WM6.5 is dying os. Most software from actual companies is either for Android or iPhone (and probably for WP7S soon), apps for WM6.5.x and older are becoming rare.
I would really like to see actual rom, but i think you should put priorities on power managemnet, brigthness and sound. I can live with haret until then
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Totally agree !
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Anyone have experience using the fastboot bootloader / recovery options for android roms?
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Im not sure but the key combo to trigger it is set in kernel and need a recovery image, if thats what you are looking for...
1. binary image written via a 'flasher' app etc etc.
2. I wonder if we can install an os via android-through-haret? like the install option from an ubuntu live cd?
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Cant the android os be cooked into a nbh, so an existing flasher or microsd method can be used?
oh yaaa man me to wud love an android rom it wud be awesome plz work on this hope to see a android rom soon man
@Reversedhex,
Yes, a ROM can be cooked and I don't see why the RUU utility couldnt be used either
I will have a play - I believe this has already been done on the HTC Vogue...
Tinboot is also a possibilty...
Ok,
Ive been looking into this, I reckon the best way to do is to jump on the back of the 'tinboot' bootlader developed on this forum. So far Its only been ported to the Kaiser....however with a bit of R&D it shouldnt be too hard to port to kovsky.
Please check it out
git://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/androidhtc/tinboot
Oh, I dont suppose anyone has a kovsky nand dump lying around? Or info on the tables?
Well, you know, it 'kinda' works. I've even made a video. But we need to fix panel initialisation (or it's more likely that i've simply messed something up). You can watch. After hanging on the SE logo, it makes two vibrations and the screen covers with strange pattern which means the kernel does start. Maybe i'll work on it later.
http://rapidshare.com/files/371867580/x1.avi.html
Sorry if this has already been addressed, I searched but couldn't find a post on it. The only way I currently know of running XDAndroid on my Diamond is to run it with Haret. Unfortunately, I pretty much have to keep my phone plugged into a wall somewhere, because I get about 1 or 2 hours of battery life, and that's it! Is there a way to flash XDAndroid to the phone itself, so that's the only OS on the phone? I'd be happy to completely ditch WinMo at this point.
Thanks!
Thinking about doing this myself, but my diamond shares the same battery life as well. Would installing it as the main OS even help with this issue? Has a fix been found for the battery in XDAndroid?
I am a n00b to XDAndroid, so sorry for my n00bieness, lol.
WM is Useless
I also would like to know if it is possible to do a full flash to android. Android is stable enough that i am prepared to take it on full time.
Would also like to know this, just using android would be great!
NAND support is not high on the to-do list. They finally came up with ext2 support as of 6/12, but it is not yet ready for widespread use. Also, hw3d acceleration requires you to first boot into WM and run Sense or another 3D app for initialization.
The main problem from what I've read is that since the hardware was not tailored to Android, a lot of the low-level stuff relies on WM initializing the hardware before haret takes over. If someone wants to cook up a bare-bones ROM that gets WM up to a point so that Haret can autostart, like someone did this for the Touch GSM, that's as close to "Android-only" as it can get at this point in time.
-- Starfox
Android on Diamond...
Hi guy,
Don't think Android will work perfectly at this time. It still building ! It's why there are no ROMs yet: it's easier to update the system from SD card (not in read only mode)
But we are lucky because of XDA
The best way for Diamond is to install the CAB from this post :
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5420781#post5420781
With this, you only have to run the XDAndroid shortcut in your start menu
This release allows you to run Android in overclocked mode ! 650mhz instead of 500mhz
Just replace /internal storage/Startup.txt file by /internal storage/devices/diamond-overclocked/startup.txt
You can also add a dual boot manager :
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623792&highlight=xdandroid+diamond
Verry usefull to auto boot your favorite system
Is there such a thing as an original ROM from Microsoft? Would this work on the T2 or would I still need to load drivers and other items to get it to work on AT&T 3G?
6.5.5 or any other similar branch hasn't RTMed from what I know yet. These branches will end up as WM6.6 (WP6.6).
And they are mostly for capacitive touchscren phones, not for our resistive.
Thanks for the reply. Let me re-ask. Where can I find a virgin 6.5.whatever ROM that is close to the base OS from Microsoft before the chefs add their touches? Honestly, I am minimilist and I want to run Titanium with the built in IE and not much else.
Looking at all the ROMs, even the default from HTC, I cannot tell you what is native Windows Mobile and what has been cooked in.
Thanks for your help.
You're gonna have to cook
Get latest build from MS here at Chef Central in huge "Last SYS" thread and dump some stock ROM (2.07) to get drivers. Don't forget to add the base OEM packages as well, like Camera, SensorSDK etc, otherwise most of the stuff like GSensor, ... won't work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681667
This is as close as you'll find.
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Thanks for the reply. Let me re-ask. Where can I find a virgin 6.5.whatever ROM that is close to the base OS from Microsoft before the chefs add their touches? Honestly, I am minimilist and I want to run Titanium with the built in IE and not much else.
Looking at all the ROMs, even the default from HTC, I cannot tell you what is native Windows Mobile and what has been cooked in.
Thanks for your help.
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There are a number of stock ROMs in this forum, do a search. However all of these were designed for a specific carrier, and will have the carrier bloatware. MS does not sell their OS directly to the public, so you have to use what the carrier or HTC puts on there.
Actually, it is very simple to remove sense from a stock ROM and rebuild it. Check out the kitchen software programs. The difficult thing about building your own ROM is trying to ADD stuff - that gets complicated.