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somewhere on the forum... i saw this picture of a tilt back cover, and the speaker was a circle, not a square, and the camera cover looked really nice, it had a metal cover to prevent scratches.
where can i find this?
you sure you weren't seeing the back of the Touch Polaris/Orbit 2?
we can made a camera friendly back cover ourselves
Hi All,
I am wonder if anyone would like to join my project of making a camera friendly back cover for our Kaiser.
I am a product designer in Hong Kong and also a Kaiser user. I know a local factory that produce aftermarket cases for PDAs, to make a back cover is not a hard job at all. All I would like to know is how many Kaiser would like to have this new back cover.
Elton
I'd be interested but depends on the quality of the cover of course. Also maybe we could use some really good glass on the rear cover over the camera, such as polarized glass with anti UV and flare coating, any optician should be able to make it, but might work out a little expensive for the glass alone.
aksd said:
I'd be interested but depends on the quality of the cover of course. Also maybe we could use some really good glass on the rear cover over the camera, such as polarized glass with anti UV and flare coating, any optician should be able to make it, but might work out a little expensive for the glass alone.
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you need a photography quality glass for good quality photo. Plus in order to fit in to the original back cover, the glass needed to be really thin, that's another challenge. That's why some people in the forum prefer to take the plastic out.
regarding to the quality, the factory is a very experienced one, a simple back cover is too easy for them. All I worry is the cost and how we can spread them out evenly.
How hard would a "flip" cover be? My previous phone, Sony W810i had no protection for the lens, other than the clear plastic area for the lens. The
K750i had a "flip" cover, which fit the 810i like a glove.
How reasonable would it be, instead of a glass lens, to just produce a cover with a simple flip open or slide cover for the lens? Even with a glass area for the lens, you will still get stains, fingerprints etc.
I'd vote for a rear cover with a slide-open cover over the camera. This would allow the camera to be protected from dust and when open, don't use any additional glass, the pictures would be much sharper!
It would have to be a good design that could withstand repeated open-close cycles.
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How hard would a "flip" cover be? My previous phone, Sony W810i had no protection for the lens, other than the clear plastic area for the lens. The
K750i had a "flip" cover, which fit the 810i like a glove.
How reasonable would it be, instead of a glass lens, to just produce a cover with a simple flip open or slide cover for the lens? Even with a glass area for the lens, you will still get stains, fingerprints etc.
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I agree. The lens glass needs some sort of protection.
Nokia's N-95 puts the lens at the hinge where no one puts their finger. The HTC Kaiser/Tilt is in a very bad spot for fingers and setting it down into junk or against a sweaty (i.e. wet) shirt pocket.
Also, you might need some bumps on the back to raise the phone a bit since they managed to put the speaker on the back which is about as effective as ....
The back cover gets a bit hot at times too. Don't know what can be done about that.
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you sure you weren't seeing the back of the Touch Polaris/Orbit 2?
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im sure. i know i saw it, but i dont know if it was edited, but it looked pretty real to me.
it looked almost identical to the kaiser's back, except instead of a square speaker, it was circle, and the camera had something better to protect it.
I meant a cover with a glass lens. Its always nice to have 2x times the protection
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im sure. i know i saw it, but i dont know if it was edited, but it looked pretty real to me.
it looked almost identical to the kaiser's back, except instead of a square speaker, it was circle, and the camera had something better to protect it.
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please let us know where you saw that cover. It would be nice if we can just pay for it.
Have you thought of using the invisible shield? this is cut with perfection, prevents scratches and marks on the device, and has a very accurate cut-out around the GPS and Camera recess.
www.shieldzone.com
flashy said:
Have you thought of using the invisible shield? this is cut with perfection, prevents scratches and marks on the device, and has a very accurate cut-out around the GPS and Camera recess.
www.shieldzone.com
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I am not sure about putting another piece of plastic in front of the camera would be a good idea to improve the quality of the photo.
Anyway, I have contacted the factory about this project, they will let me know the cost in about two days. In the mean time, feel free to throw in new design idea.
this back cover should be great!!, i dont mind even the need os using my fingernails for sliding the protector, the fact is that camera lens will be protected in my pocket!!
You can count me in for the sliding back cover for the camera, that would be perfect!
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this back cover should be great!!, i dont mind even the need os using my fingernails for sliding the protector, the fact is that camera lens will be protected in my pocket!!
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when did i say cover the camera? i said it's been cut around it.
I doubt you will find better to be honest. Without looking silly. It looks like new all the tiem with my shield on.
pepeto2001 said:
this back cover should be great!!, i dont mind even the need os using my fingernails for sliding the protector, the fact is that camera lens will be protected in my pocket!!
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no, I don't think finger nail is a good idea. If space is allowed, I hope to make a sliding door that can be opened by finger instead of finger nail.
Anyway, let's wait for the quote from the factory first.
Im interested too!
quotation received, but....
The factory replied with a quote but they made a mistake. The quote is for 1000 pieces of battery cover. I don't think we have that many people who would be interested in it, so I ask for a smaller quantity quote. They will get back to me tomorrow.
stay tune!
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The factory replied with a quote but they made a mistake. The quote is for 1000 pieces of battery cover. I don't think we have that many people who would be interested in it, so I ask for a smaller quantity quote. They will get back to me tomorrow.
stay tune!
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NO, NO, NO....
PM me with the 1000 piece price. I'm sure I could distribute these here in the US.
Just wondering if anyone has them applied to your phone. I believe Nillkin sells tempered glass covers for the camera lenses. Anyone care to share pics/reviews?
My camera lens is super scratched and it affects my pictures. My warranty replacement should arrive tomorrow or soon. I don't want to keep the phone if the lens will continue to be an issue. My DUO lens and the rest of the phone are in perfect condition.
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Just wondering if anyone has them applied to your phone. I believe Nillkin sells tempered glass covers for the camera lenses. Anyone care to share pics/reviews?
My camera lens is super scratched and it affects my pictures. My warranty replacement should arrive tomorrow or soon. I don't want to keep the phone if the lens will continue to be an issue. My DUO lens and the rest of the phone are in perfect condition.
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You got a warranty replacement because of the scratched camera lens?
My lens also has some scratches even though I handled the phone like a raw egg... I simply don't understand why HTC uses the cheapest kind of plastic to cover the camera lens, when the rest of the phone is premium quality?!
I bought the Nillkin protector and used the camera lens protectors as well.
See my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52353778&postcount=384
I put the Nillkin protectors on the device as soon as I could, dunno if they'll affect the marginal camera in this thing, but the inevitable scratches, which your experience bears out, sure would.
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You got a warranty replacement because of the scratched camera lens?
My lens also has some scratches even though I handled the phone like a raw egg... I simply don't understand why HTC uses the cheapest kind of plastic to cover the camera lens, when the rest of the phone is premium quality?!
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yeah. I complained to ATT about how it's susceptible and I shouldn't have to pay insurance for a manufacturer error blah blah. HTC referred me to the carrier I told them.
I use the camera lens protector thst came with the Nilkin glass protector
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I use the camera lens protector thst came with the Nilkin glass protector
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How is it? Mine should be in the mail when I get home later.
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How is it? Mine should be in the mail when I get home later.
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It's pretty good I'm happy with it
Except they could of made the protector a mm or so bigger and it could of covered the whole camera hole but I suspect they didn't so it would be easier to stick on
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Just wondering if anyone has them applied to your phone. I believe Nillkin sells tempered glass covers for the camera lenses. Anyone care to share pics/reviews?
My camera lens is super scratched and it affects my pictures. My warranty replacement should arrive tomorrow or soon. I don't want to keep the phone if the lens will continue to be an issue. My DUO lens and the rest of the phone are in perfect condition.
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My camera lens got a large scratch on it within days of getting it, seems it's the same cheap soft plastic lens cover like all other HTC phones use, such a shame.
Lucky for me the scratch was just off the centre and doesn't seem to notice on picture quality.
To try stop any more scratches I got a martin fields screen protector, as they come with 4 x lens covers, 2 for each rear camera.
I don't notice any loss of picture quality with the protectors over the lenses, so is well worth doing.
I really wish someone would start making lens protectors on their own
Squpix said:
You got a warranty replacement because of the scratched camera lens?
My lens also has some scratches even though I handled the phone like a raw egg... I simply don't understand why HTC uses the cheapest kind of plastic to cover the camera lens, when the rest of the phone is premium quality?!
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How do people do this? I don't understand. I work in the oilfield... Lots of dirt, dust, and sand and have never scratched the lenses. Are you guys using the device naked? Not sure how else it would be possible.
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How do people do this? I don't understand. I work in the oilfield... Lots of dirt, dust, and sand and have never scratched the lenses. Are you guys using the device naked? Not sure how else it would be possible.
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Exactly what I want to know too. How is it possible? Never happened to any of my other phones. They wouldn't be replacing it for free if it wasn't possible.
It happens when you try to clean the lens when it has fingerprint smudges on it. Because it's inset, it's much more difficult to clean. I ordered a Nilkin tempered glass protector mainly just for the camera protection.
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Div033 said:
It happens when you try to clean the lens when it has fingerprint smudges on it. Because it's inset, it's much more difficult to clean. I ordered a Nilkin tempered glass protector mainly just for the camera protection.
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Same here. It arrived, but waiting for the replacement phone to come in
Div033 said:
It happens when you try to clean the lens when it has fingerprint smudges on it. Because it's inset, it's much more difficult to clean. I ordered a Nilkin tempered glass protector mainly just for the camera protection.
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What are you using to clean it???!
A paper towel is *not* suitable at all!
Only a microfibre cloth OR lens pen should be used.
In a bind something soft-ish, i.e. terrycloth, could be used.
But never use a paper towel or napkin. Way too harsh for AR coatings, for example.
If the cover is loaded with silica dusts, these should be removed with a lens pen before using any kind of material to clean.
Otherwise you will wind up with tiny scratches that work similar to a diffraction grating filter creating "star" effects around pinpoint sources, lines and and other aberrations that will definitely mar your images.
The only remedy at that point is to replace the cover or remove it completely which puts the actual camera objective lens at risk of exposure.
Slickwraps are considering making lens protectors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52455851
I had an M8 replaced (unrelated issue) which had a bunch of scratches on the main lens cover. I treated it exactly the same as my M7 which didn't get scratches in the 6 months I owned it. I defs think HTC has changed something.
Anyway I got a lens protector with the Nillkin screen protector I bought for the replacement handset, but I mucked up the install so I took it off. Using the Nillkin one as a template, I cut out a circle from a spare M7 screen protector I had lying around. It's not pretty but it does the job perfectly.
Michealtbh said:
Slickwraps are considering making lens protectors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52455851
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Thanks!
Weston
cpufrost said:
What are you using to clean it???!
A paper towel is *not* suitable at all!
Only a microfibre cloth OR lens pen should be used.
In a bind something soft-ish, i.e. terrycloth, could be used.
But never use a paper towel or napkin. Way too harsh for AR coatings, for example.
If the cover is loaded with silica dusts, these should be removed with a lens pen before using any kind of material to clean.
Otherwise you will wind up with tiny scratches that work similar to a diffraction grating filter creating "star" effects around pinpoint sources, lines and and other aberrations that will definitely mar your images.
The only remedy at that point is to replace the cover or remove it completely which puts the actual camera objective lens at risk of exposure.
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I used to use paper towels to clean my camera lens, but after reading about how you can remove slight imperfections and scratches by using abrasive materials, I've switched to sandpaper almost exclusively. I tried using a napkin once, but the barbecue sauce (I thought the napkin had dried) got stuck in between the cracks of the lens and device. Needless to say, I don't use napkins anymore.
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I've never heard of a "lens pen" as I have the photographic skill of an untrained rock, but luckily am familiar with microfiber cloths. However I don't see the value in carrying one around as I had no such need with my GS3, a device made almost entirely of cheap plastic. I had no issue using the cloth from my T-shirt and pants pockets (soft, light material) to clean the screen and lens.
The current scratching is minimal and is not affecting my photos. But I know that unless I act now I will have those issues you mentioned. Whether its between buying a lens pen or carrying a microfiber cloth around, I'd much rather just slap a protector on it and call it a day.
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i just ordered this incase the Nillkin doesn't work out
http://www.slickwraps.com/HTC-One-M8-Lens-Protector-p/sw-htconem8-lenspro.htm
The glass covering the camera lens at the back is protruding so putting it down on any surface would make the glass touch it...how do you guys keep it from scratching?
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The glass covering the camera lens at the back is protruding so putting it down on any surface would make the glass touch it...how do you guys keep it from scratching?
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A case that's raised more than the camera is what I'm doing. Have done this for years without ever having my lens scratch.
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I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
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I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
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When I pick mine up from the shop I'll be leaving the plastic on - my S4 has a gaping scratch across its camera lense!
Normally there should be no need to worry unless you intend to drag your phone across a rocky road. It's protected by a veryt scratchresistant glass, simlar to sapphire glass. It can stand a heavy beating and still perform.
The only real problem is fat from your fingers smearing onto the protective glass, this will cause weird looking arefacts with highlights so make sure you keep it clean.
/ Magnus
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I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
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The plastic never covered over the sensor itself, only the outside edges.
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The plastic never covered over the sensor itself, only the outside edges.
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Correct. Good protection. Or you could get the Nillkin Amazing H+ 9H Hardness Anti-Explosion Tempered Glass*for the note 4, it comes with 2 mini tempered glass camera lense protectors
Though I have not used any case or screen protector for the front screen, I have cut exact size glossy screen protector for the camera lens. I developed lots of scratches in S2 lens, from then on I started protecting camera lenses.
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If you look carefully the platic frame around the glass is just slightly above the glass so really the glass doesn't make contact with a flat surface
The Samsung s-view case is just big enough to keep the lens from touching. It's a good option if you are concerned about the lens getting scratched and want front of phone protection.
If the plastic cover doesn't affect the photos then chances are the odd scratch won't either..
Wife has S5 and glass on the lens seems pretty tough! No scratches yet!
When not using my Note 4, I shoot pictures with high end Nikon glass (lenses). Some will say to put a plain UV filter on the lens as a means of protection, never go naked. Others will ask why would one put an $80 piece of glass in front of finely tuned and crafted $2,500 piece of glass? Additionally, all those large sport photographer lenses you see taking photos.......no filters are made that size, they use hoods which extend several inches from the front of the lens as a means of protection. Now, given the camera in the Note 4 is not a high end DLSR you may not see the difference all that much, depending on the shot. However adding some form of adhoc protector over the camera will certainly cause some form of photo degradation.
If you have a phone case where the camera lens is recessed you should be perfectly fine if: (1) you pay attention how and where you place it down and (2) keep it out of your pants, bags...etc that hold keys and your loose change..etc.
Remove any added plastic or glass in front of your lens; take clearer and sharper pictures!
Goodluck
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I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
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I didn't even know there was one those lol I put a skinomi skin on mine hoping that it's raised just enough xD
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I'm keeping the protective little plastic cover over it. Took it off to see if any difference in pic quality and there was none.
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I didn't even know there was one those lol I put a skinomi skin on mine hoping that it's raised just enough xD
Well, my first tip would be to not place your note 4 on a textured surface, press it down into the textured surface and then rubbing it vigorously against it, with your pressure RIGHT on the lens.
Other than that, just use it normally. Dont keep it in a bag of quarters, dont hack at it with nails, dont keep it with your keys in a pocket... The usual nobrainer things.
Should be totally fine. When I place it on a table, the lens doesnt touch the table.
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Normally there should be no need to worry unless you intend to drag your phone across a rocky road. It's protected by a veryt scratchresistant glass, simlar to sapphire glass. It can stand a heavy beating and still perform.
The only real problem is fat from your fingers smearing onto the protective glass, this will cause weird looking arefacts with highlights so make sure you keep it clean.
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/thread - really, the glass on the camera lens is the strongest glass you will find on your mobile device - applies to any phone.
Couldn't resist...cut out an extra screen protector and stuck it on the camera glass lol
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Correct. Good protection. Or you could get the Nillkin Amazing H+ 9H Hardness Anti-Explosion Tempered Glass*for the note 4, it comes with 2 mini tempered glass camera lense protectors
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Never heard of this before.. Have Otterbox but realized my camera lens for smashed today while outside doing yard work... This what you use? Installation hard? Got URL? Thanks in advance.
DrDank said:
Never heard of this before.. Have Otterbox but realized my camera lens for smashed today while outside doing yard work... This what you use? Installation hard? Got URL? Thanks in advance.
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I liked it. Gad the halo effect though unfortunately. But loved the 2 little camera screen protector too! Easy install.
Sorry, don't d have much time to search, url anyone it could i get camera protection for otterbox?
Any recommendations? Reviews? Found some on ebay
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/182775735808
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Any recommendations? Reviews? Found some on ebay
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/182775735808
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wow 6$+ for camera ... anyway check this out
https://youtu.be/t5r3r__noNU?t=2m12s
I got this
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/382221001916
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wow 6$+ for camera ... anyway check this out
https://youtu.be/t5r3r__noNU?t=2m12s
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Yeah I watched that video, is it just an ordinary glass or gorilla glass?
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wow 6$+ for camera ... anyway check this out
https://youtu.be/t5r3r__noNU?t=2m12s
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I got this
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/382221001916
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It’s cheap but how long did you received it? 1-2 weeks.
They're all pretty much the same thing.
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It’s cheap but how long did you received it? 1-2 weeks.
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yeah around 2 weeks
Why would you do this? any "glass" or plastic protective coating will affect the optics of the camera.
I have one on the way but who knows when it will arrive. I purchased from a China seller for 1$ about a month ago. Ill update if it actually gets here.
Putting an additional thick piece of cheap glass on top is a bad decision if you value photo quality. It's like putting a $3 clear lens filter on a $2,000 L lens.
i also looked on ebay i want a screen protector not for the camera or front of phone but for the back of the phone, do they make a tempered glass screen protector for the back of the note 8 i can't find one
I just use dbrand skin
Amazon.. like $2
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Any recommendations? Reviews? Found some on ebay
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/182775735808
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This does look like a good way to protect the camera lens. For $2.49 on Amazon/ebay I think I'll give it a try.
my 1$ TGSP rear camera from ebay came in today.
took me 5 minutes or so to apply, I would recommend using a really thin tweezer to take off the protector from its film as well as lay it on the rear camera on the phone. I dont think I would have been able to do it well with only my fingers since its such a thin and small piece of glass.
Also, it doesnt really seem like glass to me as its bendable. To me its just a harder thicker piece of plastic but maybe tempered glass is bendable? I dont know lol someone can correct me on this please.
To my eyes, and I have pretty good eyes I do not see any difference to photos. I mainly purchased this protector as I always touch the camera area when playing games in landscape mode, it really annoyed me thinking if I would eventually scratch the rear camera since my hands sometimes have dirt / dust on them
I bought these...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B075MCL9KH/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The fingerprint sensor cover is useless in that it stops the sensor from working, but the camera protector is very thin, and fits well. I'm not entirely sure why I need 5 - I'd only need to replace one if it gets scratched to such an extent that it affects the ability to take clear pictures. I don't see any difference to the picture quality of the camera with the protector in place.
I got one of these and after 1 day I removed it.
When using flash, the light "travels" in the glass and washes out all the pictures. Also the camera seems to "notice" something there and takes a bit longer to focus every single time..
Does anyone know of a "Camera Lens Protector" that doesn't interfere with flash while recording video and taking pictures?
The builtin factory one... replace if needed.
I've always just got a case that stands tall enough to make sure the camera lens does not come into contact with the surface.
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The builtin factory one... replace if needed.
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Where would you buy a factory replacement and how much would it cost?
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Where would you buy a factory replacement and how much would it cost?
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You're jumping the gun. Google it... Samsung can replace it as can repair centers.
If you don't have a good case the display is more likely to get destroyed. I be more concerned with a good case and screen protector, both will most likely be a pain to find for a new model.
I don't even worry about damaging my cam as it's well protected by the case. The only thing I do is not use it as a hand hold as your fingers are more likely to mar it if you touch it. Even my S4+'s factory cam plastic lense protector is not scratched after many years in the desert.
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You're jumping the gun. Google it... Samsung can replace it as can repair centers.
If you don't have a good case the display is more likely to get destroyed. I be more concerned with a good case and screen protector, both will most likely be a pain to find for a new model.
I don't even worry about damaging my cam as it's well protected by the case. The only thing I do is not use it as a hand hold as your fingers are more likely to mar it if you touch it. Even my S4+'s factory cam plastic lense protector is not scratched after many years in the desert.
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The lens protectors that I did buy was prefect for protecting all three lens and taking pictures and video recording. But as soon as you use the flash for either, the flash glare from the corner of the lens protectors was the problem.
Steamer2499 said:
The lens protectors that I did buy was prefect for protecting all three lens and taking pictures and video recording. But as soon as you use the flash for either, the flash glare from the corner of the lens protectors was the problem.
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I use the wet apply Gorilla IQ Sheild for my display. "Self healing" urethane that last a long time and stays put. Something like that but with any added layer you increase the refraction index.
Other undesirable things can happen with uncoated and/or poorly placed optical elements like back reflections and flaring.
Who knows maybe Samsung optic engineers really knew what they were doing... don't screw it up.
People want to protect the lense protector... doesn't really make much sense. This isn't a high dollar front lense, it's a piece of ordinary glass or polycarbonate.
Lense protector protectors are a gimmick.
Worry about a good case and screen protector instead because you will need them.