I know this topic is kind of frowned on, but bear with me, I'm doing it for legitimate purposes.
I just picked up a used sprint CDMA hero for use on my Carolina West plan. I rooted the new hero, put it in diag mode so that I could manipulate it with CDMA workshop 3.5 and Qxdm. My wife has a Carolina West Hero, so I was able to pull the PRL off of it and load it to my Sprint Hero. I also copied all of her NAM and EVDO settings to my phone and set my MSL/SPC to match Carolina West's, while giving it my phone #.
At this point, the phone's pretty much provisioned for Carolina West. So, I take it to one of their retail stores and they refuse to add the ESN to their database although its common practice with other carriers like Verizon.
I already have a data package for WAP browsing on my current phone, so I thought I'd try to change the ESN/MEID on the hero just to see if I could get it to work. Not hurting or defrauding anybody.
As I stated earlier, I used my licensed copy of CDMA workshop to change all of the EVDO, NAM, MSL, etc. However, it fails every time I try to change the ESN or MEID. I also read up on QXDA. As with CDMA workshop, I can read/change Nam stuff etc. but when I go to the Memory Viewer, all of the information on the screen is greyed out and the only address I can access is 0x00400000. And, since it returns all 0's for everything, I don't think it is actually reading the phone's memory.
Without discussing any legal implications, can someone please share ideas with me as to why CDMA Workshop and QXDA can't access the phone's memory even though they are supposed to be able to?
Thanks a million guys, I've learned more here so far than every other phone forum put together.
Only thing I can think of is restarting computer / phone...
I wouldn't be posting anything about this stuff on this site, I'm sure if you googled meid and hero you'd find a site that is a bit more accepting of this stuff.
I had already thought of that. I restarted the computer and both phones several times. For a "control group" I also tried to see if I could read the memory on the other Hero. Neither will allow it (in either CDMA workshop or QXDM).
Do you think flashing to an earlier software revision would do me any good? The sprint one is at 1.56.651.2 and pri 1.70_003. The other one is running something newer and proprietary (much like what I've read about Cellsouth, Bluegrass, Appalachian, Alaska, etc.).
Actually, this is the most accepting forum I've found so far. Thats why I chose this forum to ask. This is where I found most of my research on ESN/Meid.
If you have any suggestions of somewhere else to look/ask please post...or shoot me a PM.
I also did alot of reading at Howard Forums, Mobile Files, CDMA gurus, etc. but the information on the subject was really more clear and coherent here.
This forum is just more accepting because a mod hasn't come across your post yet. There are too many sections and most of the sections do not have individual mods for that section only. So it is a bit harder to police.
Anyway... you can try searching google for "esn repair" rather then "change esn". Unfortunately we can't help you any further. I only know the basics and not the details of the programs since I never had a reason to do that. There might be 1 or 2 people on these forums who could truly help you.
However, no one can post anything more because it would mean a ban and this thread deleted. Even though you have a good reason to do so, changing your esn is illegal and almost any forum out there will strictly get rid of posts that talk about it because they don't want to be shut down.
Its not like this is one of the thousands of posts out there asking "how do I change my esn". That information is fairly readily available.
Instead, if you read my post you'll see that I'm asking for some troubleshooting help to try to determine why my device isn't functioning properly and a spitballing of ideas as to how I can get it to work (ie...possibly rolling back to a previous software revision). I just filled in the backstory, because I felt it was pertinent information (showing that I can make writes to all areas of the device with various programs) just not the ESN/MEID.
Though, some would frown on what I'm trying to accomplish, I haven't asked for any illegal information...just troubleshooting help to figure out why my device isn't behaving properly. I don't know of any forum that would delete a post and ban somebody for asking for troubleshooting help, thats why the forum is here.
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Though, some would frown on what I'm trying to accomplish, I haven't asked for any illegal information...just troubleshooting help to figure out why my device isn't behaving properly. I don't know of any forum that would delete a post and ban somebody for asking for troubleshooting help, thats why the forum is here.
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I know where you are coming from. All I was trying to say is that many forums will error on the side of caution and get rid of these threads.
I am not sure if there was a bunch of forums that got shut down that has brought the fear of god into the forum operators or what. I know forums get shut down all the time for warez(not just android) but I am not sure why they are so fearful about the ESN issue.
I think it is because a shutdown notice can be sent to the hosting site and the hosting site will blindly comply without looking into the issue. So the owner/operators of the forum have no say in the matter and can't argue their case.
Are you using a laptop? I had that problem, so used a desktop. Then after that it worked with the laptop. It is pretty simple thing to do.
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Good idea aven. That is one of the things though that struck my mind late last night, although for a different reason. I was originally trying on a laptop running Win 7 Pro. Sometimes Win 7's a bastard about running programs designed for legacy communications. So, I installed the programs onto my desktop which is still on Win XP pro. Well, at least I was able to try QPST and QXDM on the desktop. My CDMA workshop license is tied to the laptop.
Anyway, I got the same errors on the desktop that I did the laptop.
And back to the idea I had about going back to a earlier software version, then attempting it...that didn't work too swimmingly either. In trying to research what earlier stock versions there were, I found that some Heroes came out with 1.29 and some with 1.56. Once a phone is at 1.56, it can never go back to 1.29. I don't know the history of this phone, if it came out with 1.29 or not, but either way its at 1.56 now. Either way, I reinstalled the stock 1.56 RUU which unrooted the phone. I haven't had time to root it again yet. But, with the stock 1.56 on, I still got the same errors when messing with the ESN/MEID.
I posted on another forum in the post that details this method asking if it can be confirmed that they are in fact changeable in 1.56. I also found some information about people using MTTY to log communications during this process. That is what I plan to do next.
Can anyone here confirm that they've seen it done on a Hero at 1.59?
Are you using the HTC usb data cord or a regular one? Could be worth looking into
Have you set up your ports in QPST Configuration? That solved my problems I think.
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Yep...using the data cable that came new in the box with my wife's Hero.
Have you set up your ports in QPST Configuration? That solved my problems I think.
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Yes, while using QXDM, QPST is configured properly. I can use it to write to NAM, EVDO, etc., just not ESN/MEID. If the port isn't connected in the QPST configuration, QXDM won't even behave like a phone is there.
In CDMA workshop, the program itself grabs the com port. I've forgotten before and left QPST server running while opening CDMA workshop. When that happens, QPST has the port locked so that other programs (apart from QXDM) can't access it. At that point I have to shut down QPST server before I can connect the port in CDMA workshop.
Actually, I ran into the same problem when I tried what I mentioned earlier. I tried to connect the port in MTTY to log the communications. But then, I wasn't able to use CDMA Workshop or QXDM because MTTY had the port locked.
Were you ever able to find a solution? Stuck here as well.
Lets just say programs like DFS and CDMA Workshop have come light years since this thread was started.
I need to find the new versions then. I was one of the first to do it after the 2.1 update that I could find. Now I'm wondering if I could do it to a newer HTC phone
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Im not one to create new threads but this one I need some info on. I know that you need to install the aeserg policies to allow you to install certain apps, thats not what I need to know about.
What I want to know is what the policies really are. Before they were installed I would be screwed on reception while at work. I have TMO and work in a huge metal building, but we have a ATT/Cingy repeater tower on the roof. So with the aeserg policies install Ive began to notice that when I dont have TMO reception it rolls me to ATT.
Did the policies do a CID unlock, am I being charged roaming when it rolls over, what are the policies? Those are the questions.
Please dont tell me to do a search, because I already have. When I checked xda, the search resulted in zero answers. Google did the same.
EDIT: Turns out Im a total retard, and have been searching for the wrong thing the entire time. Sorry. But I would still like to know what all they entail.
i upgraded to an Evo and now i have my hero lying around collecting dust.. i have a friend that uses cricket and i did a ton of research to get it working but my searches stopped when i read that corpus christi and surrounding areas are in what are called an asw (or something like that) market and that either way the phone wont work flashing it to cricket.. so they went ahead and switched to pocket and i took the phone into the pocket store and they tried to flash it using their houdini software but it wasnt detecting the phone (because they need to load the htc drivers) so they guy pretty much said that they can flash it, i told him that he can get the drivers from the houdinisoft website and he claimed that they dont have internet at the store but that the IT guys installed the software... so as of right now im on a mission on flashing the phone myself.. ive found mms settings and things like that but my main thing is the initial flash to get talking and txt going.. so my question is, has anyone been able to flash this phone to pocket.. im just needing to know if i just need to use all the same steps as i do for cricket or metro since searches regarding "pocket" are limited.. sometimes its not even listed as a carrier on certain forums.. howardforums had some info but not enough of what ive needed.. any help would be appreciated during my journey.. thanks
I assume its the same as changing any phone to a different service provider. You just need all the settings for Pocket and put them into the Hero. Basically when a company flashes a phone to work on their network they are putting all of the settings into the phone automatically and not manually like you are doing. I think getting voice calls to work is the easiest to setup and getting mms, sms and internet working is a bit harder if you can not figure out username, etc. But most use the [email protected]
if you have access to a data enabled pocket wireless phone that you can read via qpst or cdma workshop you should be able to get all the info you need to put into the hero. Does pocket wireless sell hero's or any other htc phone that you could get diagnostic drivers for? just load up a netbook and pull from the in store phones maybe?
thats what i was thinking.. a friend of mine brought her pocket phone and i was going to get all the information of the phone using qpst as well as cdma wrkshp but when she brought the phone i was having problems reading it on the pc.. i think the cable was just jacked up.. she was going to borrow a cable from a friend of hers and is gonna bring it over today for a round 2.. ill see if that works
so i transferred all settings from a pocket phone onto the hero and when i went to the store and they tried doing an esn swap its gave an error saying that the phone couldnt be activated because the correct software wasnt used.. looks like im gonna have to program it using the houdini software.. ive dwnlded the program from houdinisoft dot come but it acts for a user name and password so im gonna have to do a little investigating to see whats up with that.. until next time
Hey everyone, I just recently got a Samsung Captivate with Rogers, which is the i896.
I've been hearing a lot about rooting lately and i'm starting to understand a little more about what it is exactly. I'm interested in the idea that it can help speed up the phone and allow for more apps, but I have a few questions.
1) Where can I find the most recent way to root a ROGERS Captivate? I was reading around and read that the "One click fix" does not work anymore
2) Will rooting my phone change the interface of the phone?
3) If something goes wrong and my phone doesn't root, can I go back to the default settings easily?
I might have more questions later on but thats it for now. I'd just also like to hear your opinions on rooting and what exactly YOU have been able to do with your phone by rooting.
Thanks!
welcome ill answer your qs first then ill give you some links to help you out
A)rooting and flashing roms (2 diff things) are easiest done from STOCK 2.1 (which you should have) if you plan on flashing custom roms DONT do the rogers/samsung keis firmware update. it changes the recovery to 3e. (ink below if needed)
B) rooting does not change the interface. ROMS DO
C) if you cant successfully root, nothing has changed. you should be able to tho. and you can UNROOT, and wipe to factory too. for warranty repairs and they will never know.
OPPINION:
custom roms are the way to go, more current, full featured complete and on time, cutomizable, fun, and brain-power using than stock roms.
MY ADVICE: DO IT but TAKE YOUR TIME AND READ. I READ FOR 3 or 4 days before i touched a thing!! and still had very minor issues and things that had to be ironed out. dont let that scare you. its a learning experience. hopefully with the links i give you you will have less SEARCHING TO DO. but you my freind, are in the right fourm and right section, too! i have a good feeling about you already!
YOU CAN DO IT WATERBOY!!!
LINKS!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858765 start here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-I896 i896 specific crap but see i897 page too, same phone same guts (see rooting, hell read the whole thing)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-I897 i897 wiki
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=872455
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905042
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=909213 (3e recovery if you run into that)
oh and it took me forever to learn that there is an ODIN one-click, and an Odin3 1.7, both flashing programs but DIFFERENT, we can use ODIN one-click but not recomended it flashes AT&T stock back. ALSO not to be confused with one-click ROOT,,,
Typically its best to read around but you can use the following for rooting and unrooting
It doesn't change the interface
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803682
I used it, no issues and now with a new ROM as well - you will stumble on many thing but this site has everything but u need to read a bit
Hey there, the rogers captivate is the same as the at&t captivate. I found a rogers phone in the snow, wiped, rooted and unlocked it. Installed at&t firmware and then flashed serendipity. I'm using it on telus no problem. Everything in this captivate forum will work great.
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First of all, thank you guys so much for giving me real replies instead of a bunch of "Go read for yourself" or "try the search button" lol... I've been doing some reading but I needed to ask a few direct questions.
@Trusselo, i'm not too ignorant to computers. I know my way around a computer and used to do some web design and basic coding so i'm somewhat okay.
My only concern is that once i've rooted my phone, I have to use some sort of unix/linux commands to work around my phone and do things? Is this true? Also, I read that the rooted version has a different keyboard? I still have a hard time getting used to this touchscreen board.
SIDE QUESTION ABOUT CAPTIVATE AND WIFI: This is my biggest problem right now, its actually a small problem but it gets annoying. Basically, my WiFi stays connected when i'm at home but sometimes it seems like it slows done or the connection lags or even stops working. I can usually tell if this is happening because pages don't load fast enough in the browser or don't load at all. While this is happening, my wifi connection still says "Connected" though. I always have to go back, disconnect, re-type my password, connect again. Then I go back and it works fine. Is there any way to fix this?
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First of all, thank you guys so much for giving me real replies instead of a bunch of "Go read for yourself" or "try the search button" lol... I've been doing some reading but I needed to ask a few direct questions.
@Trusselo, i'm not too ignorant to computers. I know my way around a computer and used to do some web design and basic coding so i'm somewhat okay.
My only concern is that once i've rooted my phone, I have to use some sort of unix/linux commands to work around my phone and do things? Is this true? Also, I read that the rooted version has a different keyboard? I still have a hard time getting used to this touchscreen board.
SIDE QUESTION ABOUT CAPTIVATE AND WIFI: This is my biggest problem right now, its actually a small problem but it gets annoying. Basically, my WiFi stays connected when i'm at home but sometimes it seems like it slows done or the connection lags or even stops working. I can usually tell if this is happening because pages don't load fast enough in the browser or don't load at all. While this is happening, my wifi connection still says "Connected" though. I always have to go back, disconnect, re-type my password, connect again. Then I go back and it works fine. Is there any way to fix this?
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Just rooting the phone does not change the interface at all. Rooting just allows you access to the locked system files so you can change them.
Also you won't have to use terminal commands to do hardly anything, but it would be a good practice to learn how to use it.
From there you can change your keyboard if you like. There are a few keyboards out there that are better than the stock keyboard is, as far a functionality.
Be warned once you get onto flashing and modding your phone, its like an addiction, and you probably wont be able to stop.
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Hey there, the rogers captivate is the same as the at&t captivate. I found a rogers phone in the snow, wiped, rooted and unlocked it. Installed at&t firmware and then flashed serendipity. I'm using it on telus no problem. Everything in this captivate forum will work great.
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Did you try and find the actual owner first?
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Did you try and find the actual owner first?
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Ya, but no one called the phone. The screen was locked and I couldn't get into the phone. I think it was outside for a while, reported lost and deactivated.
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@Trusselo, i'm not too ignorant to computers. I know my way around a computer and used to do some web design and basic coding so i'm somewhat okay.
My only concern is that once i've rooted my phone, I have to use some sort of unix/linux commands to work around my phone and do things? Is this true? Also, I read that the rooted version has a different keyboard? I still have a hard time getting used to this touchscreen board.
SIDE QUESTION ABOUT CAPTIVATE AND WIFI: This is my biggest problem right now, its actually a small problem but it gets annoying. Basically, my WiFi stays connected when i'm at home but sometimes it seems like it slows done or the connection lags or even stops working. I can usually tell if this is happening because pages don't load fast enough in the browser or don't load at all. While this is happening, my wifi connection still says "Connected" though. I always have to go back, disconnect, re-type my password, connect again. Then I go back and it works fine. Is there any way to fix this?
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i really hope that you didnt think i was accusing you of not being good with computers or being patronizing, i was just trying to provide you (or anyone else that reads this) with as much info as i could, while not doing the work for you.
terminal commands: ive never had to use them, no adb shell, no terminal emulator on phone, although it wouldnt be outside of my skill, i just prefer to do it without learning something i dont need to. (yet.. still thinking about learning some apping)
keyboard: rooting does not change any part of the UI at all, all rooting does is allow you to access (read / write / copy /delete) protected system files. And you can only do those scary things with use of other root apps after rooting your phone.
wifi: this is why some people flash new modems, if you still have issues and really want to send it back for warranty, dont worry, you can have it back good as new in no time!
Not too sure what you mean by flash new modems... ? And I wasn't accusing you of anything lol. Just letting you know that i'm not 100% dumb when it comes to computer but even then I don't know if I would be ready to use typed commands and stuff to use my phone.
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Not too sure what you mean by flash new modems... ?
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The modem is simply what the phone uses for connectivity. It is a separate piece of the firmware that can be flashed on its own. It is a topic that is a little beyond the scope of this post. However, there is a stickied thread in the Captivate development forum called 'the modem thread' that outlines a lot of the information. The main reason many people do this change is that some experience better connectivity, lower battery consumption, and some other benefits. Again modems are beyond the scope of this post, so I encourage you to read that sticky, as there can be some pitfalls to changing modems. Best of luck and enjoy the great phone!
Oh okay thank you. I thought you meant I would have to take my phone back and get a new one. The WiFi works fine, its just that I have to disconnect, enter my wifi password, then reconnect sometimes for it to work properly.
Do you mean that the WiFi is something that can be changed after the phone is rooted to work better?
Can't say for sure, but it's always worth rooting anyway.
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ok, so my computer restarted in the middle of installing a .tot file using lgpnst and now my phone will not be read by the network because under software it says meid=0. I have searched for hours, literally hours, maybe even a day at this point and i am so out of heart with the whole situation...
I know that a new version of cdma ws has the capabilty to repair meid, and I am pretty sure there are other methods of doing it using qxdm.. but im at a loss... i have no way to get cdma ws except 2.7, which doesnt do meid... and ive tried this method below but keep getting buffer errors or response errors.. it could be because i dont know the format to enter the meid for the revolution (since the tutorial below is for optimus)... or it could be something else...
can someone pleeease help me?
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The guide did not help me and it required too many steps which were failing.
Is this place really such a waste that over 100 people view a thread and dont have anything to suggest? This is a common issue apparently but no one seems to have a fix.. im getting out of heart with this whole thing and this forum at this point.
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Is this place really such a waste that over 100 people view a thread and dont have anything to suggest? This is a common issue apparently but no one seems to have a fix.. im getting out of heart with this whole thing and this forum at this point.
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That's not really the right way to get a nice or timely response from the forum.
Should be obvious, but have you tried the CDMA Workshop website? They have a free demo. I believe you can write a new MEID onto your phone with the demo version, but I could be wrong. Otherwise you could buy the program.
http://www.cdma-ware.com/workshop.html
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After checking, my phone's status page shows an MEID of 0, but when I check the data on LGNPST, it is not 0. It is also not listed on the back of my phone.
Yea Kyle but its easy to get frustrated when it seems like no one wants to help. So I am going to help someone if they find this thread... My phone would not work because it lost its meid. It said 0, and the carrier would not recognize it. In searching all over for this fix I also found that its very very common.. especially after having a freeze when using lgpnst... so if you are reading this, and you have this issue im going to tell you how to FIX IT! Because after hours of reading, I finally found a way to fix this on my own after trying lots of stuff...
Also the software CDMA workshop demo version will not repair this issue. It has to be purchased. Thanks for trying.
I'm going to post a new thread and I suggest it even be stickied!
Gary
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1569389
So yeah, assuming their efforts is successful and they manage to set up their wifi to deny access to rooted devices, is there anyway around this without unrooting?
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So yeah, assuming their efforts is successful and they manage to set up their wifi to deny access to rooted devices, is there anyway around this without unrooting?
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There used to be a module called Root Cloack(er) for Xposed frameworks that hides root, don`t know if there is a version for Marsmellow though. Its here on the XDA forums somewhere.
But how? I can't think of any way to detect a rooted/jailbroken phone from a Wifi connection, without you having to install or run some other piece of software/script that would give them that information.
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But how? I can't think of any way to detect a rooted/jailbroken phone from a Wifi connection, without you having to install or run some other piece of software/script that would give them that information.
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I'm not sure. I would not put it past my company to make us install such a script in order to access wifi.
Many places are doing this. Detecting root is simple. Even Snapchat and others are doing it. Heck they are even looking for xposed and won't work if detected.
You would be amazed at what info people can get from your device when it's connected to wifi
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Many places are doing this. Detecting root is simple. Even Snapchat and others are doing it. Heck they are even looking for xposed and won't work if detected.
You would be amazed at what info people can get from your device when it's connected to wifi
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a lot of info sure... But an app running on your phone detecting it, vs detecting that something is installed simply by connecting to their network? Your phone passes along a lot of info... but not installed binaries?
I could see them maybe having a black list, like if you're connecting the the exposed repositories your likely rooted... but if you are not using programs that require root access and communicate over the network, how are they doing this?
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a lot of info sure... But an app running on your phone detecting it, vs detecting that something is installed simply by connecting to their network? Your phone passes along a lot of info... but not installed binaries?
I could see them maybe having a black list, like if you're connecting the the exposed repositories your likely rooted... but if you are not using programs that require root access and communicate over the network, how are they doing this?
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A simple request for the info. Have you ever looked at a logcat and saw everything running. I could be gone for weeks and come home and tell you every device that has ever connected to my network the whole time I was gone and with the right things in place could even tell if they are rooted or jailbroken
I can see the same as the poster above me on our network, it is not hard at all. And if we had such a policy and you used a cloaker I would have you fired.
Their network, their rules. I really don't think you should do this.
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A simple request for the info. Have you ever looked at a logcat and saw everything running. I could be gone for weeks and come home and tell you every device that has ever connected to my network the whole time I was gone and with the right things in place could even tell if they are rooted or jailbroken
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Can you provide any links or further detail? Obviously by viewing system logs you can tell whats running.... but I have never seen any standard network function to request a connected device to send logs without permission? Google searching the topic provides little info as its saturated with info on how to root, and using root for ad blocking.
Even a brief overview of the setup you would use to check? What are "the right things" and what "place" would the need to be in?
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Can you provide any links or further detail? Obviously by viewing system logs you can tell whats running.... but I have never seen any standard network function to request a connected device to send logs without permission? Google searching the topic provides little info as its saturated with info on how to root, and using root for ad blocking.
Even a brief overview of the setup you would use to check? What are "the right things" and what "place" would the need to be in?
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I wont get into it too deeply as I have my guys that watch this site as well and If they go around my security setup like with exchange pin request or using some devices on my network I will fire them on the spot. Lets just say the router logs everything that is done on the network. Connect your device to your wifi and then watch a logcat. You should be able to see what you are looking for.
Understand that unless approved by me no device can connect to my network. With the right router you can see everything about a device. you wont find much info on google as things like this are kept close to the chest with the IT crowd
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I wont get into it too deeply as I have my guys that watch this site as well and If they go around my security setup like with exchange pin request or using some devices on my network I will fire them on the spot. Lets just say the router logs everything that is done on the network. Connect your device to your wifi and then watch a logcat. You should be able to see what you are looking for.
Understand that unless approved by me no device can connect to my network. With the right router you can see everything about a device. you wont find much info on google as things like this are kept close to the chest with the IT crowd
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No one here is trying to connect to your network. It's XDA and people are curious. I agree that it's silly to circumvent measures used by the company you work for (assuming you want to keep working there), but I also find it strange that you connect to a network and have that router, etc tell if your phone has a specific binary and apk. Is that what you are claiming happens?
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There used to be a module called Root Cloack(er) for Xposed frameworks that hides root, don`t know if there is a version for Marsmellow though. Its here on the XDA forums somewhere.
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This is not possible to limit an android version via network traffic, the best they could do is catch you updating cyanogenmod and ban your mac by guessing that your rooted, but its so much work, its a bunch of empty threats.
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No one here is trying to connect to your network. It's XDA and people are curious. I agree that it's silly to circumvent measures used by the company you work for (assuming you want to keep working there), but I also find it strange that you connect to a network and have that router, etc tell if your phone has a specific binary and apk. Is that what you are claiming happens?
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It can yes. And you are right this is XDA but you would be amazed at what info is not shared here or anywhere except between IT managers or other devs.
Once connected to a network it is not that hard to get everything from a device. This is why all the warnings about connecting to open networks. While Open networks are more of a risk it goes to show that anything can be done.
This has been a practice for a very long time even back to the WM days when roms encluded time bombs that would make the rom not work after a set time and date.
zelendel said:
It can yes. And you are right this is XDA but you would be amazed at what info is not shared here or anywhere except between IT managers or other devs.
Once connected to a network it is not that hard to get everything from a device. This is why all the warnings about connecting to open networks. While Open networks are more of a risk it goes to show that anything can be done.
This has been a practice for a very long time even back to the WM days when roms encluded time bombs that would make the rom not work after a set time and date.
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It's all smoke and mirrors to me until someone explains how it's possible to read files on a device by a user just connecting to a network and providing no further interaction. Sure you can get the device MAC, name, etc, but that's not how I read your statements. As mentioned in the post above yours, you can guess on network traffic, etc, but I really doubt anyone can "know everything".
Loved the HTC Diamond and TP2 [emoji1]
mwalt2 said:
It's all smoke and mirrors to me until someone explains how it's possible to read files on a device by a user just connecting to a network and providing no further interaction. Sure you can get the device MAC, name, etc, but that's not how I read your statements. As mentioned in the post above yours, you can guess on network traffic, etc, but I really doubt anyone can "know everything".
Loved the HTC Diamond and TP2 [emoji1]
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Its not guessing network traffic. You can tell exactly what sites they go to. You can tell if they are using a mobile or desktop browser. (same way the carriers do it to prevent teethering)
All it takes is being connected to a network to be infected with a virus. Just how do you think that happens?
No one is gonna explain it. Just like we dont allow talks about network penetration. There are just something that are best not out in public view.
Here is an older example of how they detected jailbroken iphones on school networks.
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Its not guessing network traffic. You can tell exactly what sites they go to. You can tell if they are using a mobile or desktop browser. (same way the carriers do it to prevent teethering)
All it takes is being connected to a network to be infected with a virus. Just how do you think that happens?
No one is gonna explain it. Just like we dont allow talks about network penetration. There are just something that are best not out in public view.
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I am specifically referring to detecting that a binary and an apk exist on a device SOLELY based on establishing a network connection (not viruses, not websites visited...user does nothing and no new code/software runs on the device). That does not seem probable to me.
It may just be semantics, but that's how I interpreted your original statement.
Of course network admins can see what sites users visit, what browser they use, etc and there is no guessing - only logs [emoji3]. I was using guessing in different sense (ie, you see something "suspicious" and draw conclusions).
Wow.... if i ever get fired after i found out they are 'reading' files on my device... this will be case for a courtn no doubt! I'm sure (at least where i live) the one that fires you based on such actions will have a big problem!
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I am specifically referring to detecting that a binary and an apk exist on a device SOLELY based on establishing a network connection (not viruses, not websites visited...user does nothing and no new code/software runs on the device). That does not seem probable to me.
It may just be semantics, but that's how I interpreted your original statement.
Of course network admins can see what sites users visit, what browser they use, etc and there is no guessing - only logs [emoji3]. I was using guessing in different sense (ie, you see something "suspicious" and draw conclusions).
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If you read the link they showed how to detect cydia which showed them it was jailbroken. The same thing can be done on android.
Droidphilev said:
Wow.... if i ever get fired after i found out they are 'reading' files on my device... this will be case for a courtn no doubt! I'm sure (at least where i live) the one that fires you based on such actions will have a big problem!
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You would lose. When you agree to use their network you agree to all their rules. This is the main reason for things like Knox. As more and more place move to a "right to work" setup where they dont need a reason to fire you at all. I would be careful about what rules one does break. Gone are the days where we could get away with things like this.
You know this got me thinking. Maybe I will play around with my network and see what I can find out. I have to block root and xposed users anyway so this would be a great challenge. Might be awhile as I revert all my PC back to windows 7.
From an IT perspective, a rooted device provides little to no security. That's why most mobile device management (MDM) products include a feature that let IT block rooted devices from connecting to the secure network or accessing corporate assets. But these products must be able to detect rooted devices before they can block them, and there are ways users can get around those detection mechanisms. Organizations that rely on MDM alone to detect rooted devices should be aware of these limitations.
http://searchmobilecomputing.techta...evice-risks-include-network-access-data-theft
zelendel said:
If you read the link they showed how to detect cydia which showed them it was jailbroken. The same thing can be done on Android.
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I didn't see a link in Tapatalk or Chrome mobile. As for me, I see no reason why I'd ever want to connect my personal smartphone to my work network. Thanks for the discussion.
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You made me VERY curious! I will try to call HR department of the company i work for today to ask how this works for us
If i get fired because of this phonecall i will try to get you fired for making me curious