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I posted links to a free Diamond unlocker on here last week and subsequently recieved a 7 day ban.
The ban stated the reason was "posting other peoples work".
I didnt know if the software was working,fake,safe or easy to use as my device is already unlocked but in the nature of xdadev forums i posted it in case it was of use to anybody.
I most definately didnt claim the software as my own nor did i try to profit from the work of others.
I guess it upset somebody as like i said i recieved a weeks ban for my efforts which i think was kinda harsh considering.
Wouldve have been a bit more civil to have just removed the post,links and PMed asking/demanding that i dont post the software here or anywhere else and i would have happily complied.
**** i still dont know who banned me and for what reason exactly but i aint complaining about a poxy 7 day ban that was easily bypassed by logging in as a guest to browse the forums, just wouldve been nice to been asked a question before being shot.
Just for the record
If your post was legitimate (which I don't know if it was), surely somebody was jealous and wanted his own work promoted.
Wouldn't surprise me if he even wants money for it.
It's cuz the devs are charging money for unlocking the devices. They say it will be free later, so I guess until then nobody else can start giving out codes for free.
There's a couple of posts about it in the ROM Dev thread
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If your post was legitimate (which I don't know if it was), surely somebody was jealous and wanted his own work promoted.
Wouldn't surprise me if he even wants money for it.
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Yea thats what happened as far as I can see.
The software I aquired is being sold by the dev/devs which is fair enough if they feel its worth the asking price and theres a market then **** it
let them eat cake.
My reason for this post was just that I didnt care for the way the matter was dealt with by banning me with out so much as a valid reason or reply to my attempts to contact them over the last week.
I also posted to state the fact that i didnt claim the software to be mine or attempt to gain financial or kudos rewards for the post.
If like I stated I had been approached with the facts rather than just getting banned I would have happily removed the link and file from my hosting and even blagged that the software I had was a fake if that would have appeased the powers that be and kept the coin rolling in for the dev/devs.
The fact is the unlock solution is now in the wild and its probably pissed on theyre chips.
Also im now getting unsolicited PMs asking for the software and I aint the ignorant type.
I can understand people being pissed off as i was unintentionaly offering for free what they was selling but i just think the matter could have been dealt with differently.
Fex
I think that the software author in general has the right to ask for a remuneration for his hard work, if he feels like it.
I know exactly the feeling.
But what bothers me, is exactly what you've described: the WAY it's been delt with.
adwinp said:
I think that the software author in general has the right to ask for a remuneration for his hard work, if he feels like it.
I know exactly the feeling.
But what bothers me, is exactly what you've described: the WAY it's been delt with.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you mate which is why like I mentioned If I had been informed I would have if able to, happily taken measures to repair and repent my minor discretion
I understand where you’re coming from innocent until proven guilty and all that. But, sh*t happens then you die... so don’t worry about it.
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The fact is the unlock solution is now in the wild and its probably pissed on theyre chips.
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I also agree with you regarding the unlocker is out in the wild. It’s available on bit torrent and various online forums mostly in foreign languages...
I do like the idea that they have come up with which is to give it out for free to people who support this site and charge the ones that don’t as its most likely these people who will go on to profit out of the software by selling it on as a service.
hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
im sure someone in this forum selling that...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414835 see the link and any question of who banned you will be solved my friend...
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hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
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I already found it.... used it... and... IT WORKS!...
Just unlocked 16 Diamonds from Portuguese TMN!...
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hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
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Well, found it as well, cheers!
instructions within
can anyone assist with a bit more user friendly instructions for the above topic, and do i need to use an xp system rather than my vista device?
all help would be appreciated.
cheers
help....
can someone supply better instructions, for this unlocker....
Works on Vista Ultimate Perfectly!
The unlocker works on vista. I should know. It worked perfectly on my phone.
The last step's hit and miss. For some reason (i'm guessing the dev had a twisted sense of humor), the app'll close instantly unless you try and freeze it open. The best way to do this is launch diamunlock.exe and press the UP button on your phone REPEATEDLY. After about 5-10 tries, the program will stay open and you can take your time.
I do admire what the dev was doing by selling this but TBH from what i've seen about XDA-Dev, software is given away and donations are asked for later. This new approach of charge first and that's it, while expected, doesn't seem to fit with the ethos of xda-dev and as such, i don't feel like i should promote it by paying for the software.
Now if it had been donationware? Hell yeah you best believe i'd have sent 10-20 bucks the dev's way.
Hy,
With this solution I've unlocked severall phones, and since I believe that knollege should be payed, I've given already 2 donations to this forum in general... of course I refuse to pay to anyone in specific if the solution is out for free!...
And I think everyone should recognise this forum's usefullness with some sort of donation, either knollege or money.
BR
Well, this thread surely doesnt serve any purpose other than simply gossiping (in a polite language) about someone else's work around here. So thread closed and I dont think its wrong. Will be moved to trash soon, just wanting the OP to take his time and read this post. PM a MOD if you feel otherwise
I have had a htc g1 t mobile in 100% working condition for a long period of time. a month ago i rooted the phone ( and i was successful), downgraded the phone to rc29 and tried to put the hero firm ware into my phone. in the process of trying to put the new firm ware i came across some difficulties and now, as what they say "bricked" my phone. immediately as this happened i was able to reach such screens as holding the end key and the camera key landing upon a white page with some options. not having much knowledge i played around with it and now my phone is completely unresponsive. all it will do is start up and stay on the g1 spalsh home screen and only when i take out the battery will it shut of. holding down any certain keys together does not seem to help. i have also given my phone to such companies as SN traders who were unsuccessful in repairing it as they said " they could not identify the problem". perhaps they never really tried. but the point is, i want my phone to work again. do you have any suggestions as to what i may do to bring my phone back to life or perhaps suggest a place to go to that will repair it for a fee. Please help . thanks in advance
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I have had a htc g1 t mobile in 100% working condition for a long period of time. a month ago i rooted the phone ( and i was successful), downgraded the phone to rc29 and tried to put the hero firm ware into my phone. in the process of trying to put the new firm ware i came across some difficulties and now, as what they say "bricked" my phone. immediately as this happened i was able to reach such screens as holding the end key and the camera key landing upon a white page with some options. not having much knowledge i played around with it and now my phone is completely unresponsive. all it will do is start up and stay on the g1 spalsh home screen and only when i take out the battery will it shut of. holding down any certain keys together does not seem to help. i have also given my phone to such companies as SN traders who were unsuccessful in repairing it as they said " they could not identify the problem". perhaps they never really tried. but the point is, i want my phone to work again. do you have any suggestions as to what i may do to bring my phone back to life or perhaps suggest a place to go to that will repair it for a fee. Please help . thanks in advance
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wronggggg forum, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=507 go there
Victim is definitely the wrong term to use in your case. This is exactly why the Devs put a disclaimer up reccomending you don't try this unless you are confident in what you are attempting to do.
At the end of the day, it's your hardware and your choice whether or not you choose to tinker with such things. As a side note, if you were able to get a screen with some options on it, you were probably able to reflash at that point but decided to "mess around" with it instead of coming here for solid info.
Sorry for your loss.
move/lock/delete!!!!
(if you start a new thread in the Q & A section, i'll be glad to assist
hey thanks for the criticism. if you dont know a way to help dont bother posting. and as for the title, its mainly just a tool for attracting people to this thread
wow... because this has to do with development.... LOCK and Block~~~
arbab01, perhaps you misunderstood.
this part of the forum is for development. There is a wonderful Q & A section that experienced g1 users such as myself tend to frequent (yes it is nice to help people out every once and a while).
Also, its part of the rules.
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hey thanks for the criticism. if you dont know a way to help dont bother posting. and as for the title, its mainly just a tool for attracting people to this thread
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You're a moron. If you try to "attract" people to this thread with a misleading title, people will simply use their back button when they realize they've been duped. No one in their right mind is going to help you if you try to trick them into it. How stupid are you?
POST IN THE RIGHT SECTION, SERIOUSLY.
Mods: Ban the Noobs who cant use search or google.
To noob: buy a 20 dollar phone or go back to stock cause you are not tech savy enough to own/mess around with a g1. Also look for local colleges that teach a course on "googling"
now for the advice: you bricked your phone. its useless now. you are screwed. see above message.
jirafa said:
wronggggg forum, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=507 go there
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google xda wrong forum haha
Results 1 - 9 of about 70,300 for xda wrong forum. (0.32 seconds)
damn noobs
In before lock-down!
no but ya i know ya moms is hahA
Holy crap guys. How rude can you be. Just help the guy out or kindly press the back button. Maybe the topic will die on page 2 but you guys keep bumping it with your mighty "NOOB LOCK BAN" replies. Does it make you feel superior? I bet this guy never posts here again.
i'll guess you have held camera and pressed home to go into the bootloader again?
if you have try and put the DREAIMG.img file on another sdcard and try again. if not, go for the deductible, it's cheaper than a new phone right now
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Holy crap guys. How rude can you be. Just help the guy out or kindly press the back button. Maybe the topic will die on page 2 but you guys keep bumping it with your mighty "NOOB LOCK BAN" replies. Does it make you feel superior? I bet this guy never posts here again.
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I actually used to do one or the other -- helping out or pressing back -- but it's getting ridiculous. If some guy is strolling along the grass with a "DO NOT WALK" sign in plain sight, is it really necessary to carry him off or ignore it? No. You yell at him so he gets the hell off himself and doesn't make that mistake again. And hopefully, spectators will see that such behavior will not be tolerated of them, either.
This is supposed to be a development section. Besides, XDA has too many users dragging it down as is. If this guy never posts here again, great, one less problem.
I cant believe this thread is still open..
and i hope he never posts again
If you can't boot in to the bootloader (camera + power) or the recovery menu (home + power) then it's dead. The only way to fix it is to replace the motherboard, but I doubt you'll be able to get a third party to do that for you. If you have a contract with tmo, go in to the store and act dumb, just say that that's what the phone does after you updated it. They should give you a replacement. If not, enjoy your paper weight.
Seriously guys, even if someone posts in the wrong section you might aswell help. But I'm sure it's much more satisfying to throw a hissy-fit >.>
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If you can't boot in to the bootloader (camera + power) or the recovery menu (home + power) then it's dead. The only way to fix it is to replace the motherboard, but I doubt you'll be able to get a third party to do that for you. If you have a contract with tmo, go in to the store and act dumb, just say that that's what the phone does after you updated it. They should give you a replacement. If not, enjoy your paper weight.
Seriously guys, even if someone posts in the wrong section you might aswell help. But I'm sure it's much more satisfying to throw a hissy-fit >.>
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thanks for ur sincere reponse. unfortuantly i got this phone from a local person here in ontario who i suppose brought it down from states. Would u know how to replace a mother board or any one who does and how much would it cost?
waaahhhhh...
FOLLOW FORUM RULES AND YOU WONT GET FLAMED. Its easy. All you do when you press the back button, or "just answer their question" is enable people to not do **** on their own and reinstate the fact they dont have to follow the rules. I'm sure we all haven't spent all of our time following the rules to watch someone else get away with completely disregarding them, right?
Besides, if this guy was REALLY trying to fix his phone it wouldnt have taken him a day to get back to anyone...and now its a "mother board" issue? He's wasting our time...
there's a post for a how-to for replacing a motherboard in this forum already....does this guy know where the search button is? He even includes how much you should expect to pay/best way to find one!
i feel bad when people brick their device, but you are a victim of yourself
This thread was previous titled "How To Brick Your Phone" but because of confusion over the intent of the thread I decided to change the title.
I'm not sure if this would be helpful for everyone but I know some would benefit from knowing how one can brick their phone*. It may help early explorers to know what areas of their phone are for more seasoned SU's and what areas they can explore safely. So, if you know of a way to brick your device, please list it and give some detail leading up to the point of bricking**.
And if you have bricked your phone, please share your experience so that others do not follow in your steps.
* Please list ways to brick your phone other than using physical materials and not ways that are malicious in nature.
** Keep in mind, this thread is not intended for anyone to use as a way to defraud your carrier. The methods outlined are to serve as a warning on certain parts of the device to steer clear from (as a young learner) and to help people feel more comfortable exploring their phone's SU side.
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Most commonly talked about way; flash a GSM radio to the CDMA Hero.
Austin3600 said:
Most commonly talked about way; flash a GSM radio to the CDMA Hero.
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+1 for this. It's the only way I've ever heard of someone truly "bricking" their phone.
Re: How to brick your phone.
This is the most common way I've heard of as well. Can a radio baseband be included in a custom ROM or is this something that has to always be flashed OVER a ROM?
The xda-wiki has a great section listing various radios that are for CDMA Heros. Anyone have the link? I'm on my phone at the moment.
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run over it with a truck then pay the 100 bucks to get a new one.
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run over it with a truck then pay the 100 bucks to get a new one.
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Indeed. I would say even a medium-size car could do the trick. Unless you have Ghost Armor.
This thread is offensive
There are plenty of ways to render your phone useless, but why?
Unless you're trying to defraud Asurion into getting a new device...
ridiculous
nebenezer said:
This thread is offensive
There are plenty of ways to render your phone useless, but why?
Unless you're trying to defraud Asurion into getting a new device...
ridiculous
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I believe the intention was to make a list of things to avoid, rather than a list of things to try.
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I believe the intention was to make a list of things to avoid, rather than a list of things to try.
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Ahhh, that makes sense.
In that case I would suggest the OP change the thread title to "How to NOT brick your phone"
A list of things to avoid is simply another way of saying "a list of things to do."
The right information in the wrong persons hands.
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Ahhh, that makes sense.
In that case I would suggest the OP change the thread title to "How to NOT brick your phone"
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I'm not going to change the thread title. The intention was to pose the question so people could STAY AWAY from those areas (ethereal45 hit the nail on the head). I'm not sure if there is anyone out there sincerely looking to brick their device. This idea is a bit ridiculous and if you're reading that into this thread you're clearly not seeing the ironic nature of the title Gunnyman's comment was completely sarcastic and funny (at least that's the way I took it in my reply...we're not trying to defraud anyone). But in all reality, no one is going to intentionally brick their phone. If they do, they've got issues larger than this forum can fix.
The intention is the opposite of what you're thinking. Just wanting to know what roads to avoid so that we don't brick our devices. I'm very fresh to this world and it can seem intimidating, so I thought this thread could help ease some of that anxiety.
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I'm not going to change the thread title. The intention was to pose the question so people could STAY AWAY from those areas (ethereal45 hit the nail on the head). I'm not sure if there is anyone out there sincerely looking to brick their device. This idea is a bit ridiculous and if you're reading that into this thread you're clearly not seeing the ironic nature of the title Gunnyman's comment was completely sarcastic and funny (at least that's the way I took it in my reply...we're not trying to defraud anyone). But in all reality, no one is going to intentionally brick their phone. If they do, they've got issues larger than this forum can fix.
The intention is the opposite of what you're thinking. Just wanting to know what roads to avoid so that we don't brick our devices. I'm very fresh to this world and it can seem intimidating, so I thought this thread could help ease some of that anxiety.
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This is like posting a very detailed guide on how to break into a computer, and then saying it's so people can prevent.
Sure, some people will use it for what it's intended, but there are people who will misuse it because there's something they don't like about their Hero, and want to get a refurb or new phone or something.
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This is like posting a very detailed guide on how to break into a computer, and then saying it's so people can prevent.
Sure, some people will use it for what it's intended, but there are people who will misuse it because there's something they don't like about their Hero, and want to get a refurb or new phone or something.
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I find this VERY hard to believe. If someone is wanting to defraud their carrier and get a refurbished phone, do you think they will look online for how to 'brick' their root device? I doubt it. Why not just throw it in a pool or run over it with their car?
It's more like a help to not overheat your car. What are ways that you can overheat your car. No radiator fluid, running A/C through the mountains, etc. This is to give people a help on things to avoid. Sure, if someone has a desperate desire to overheat their car, they can follow the instructions and overheat it. But that's up to them.
I find that as I'm exploring the deeper side of my device, I'm constantly thinking thoughts like "wonder if doing this will brick my phone" and so I don't usually explore very far, because of this fear (and my wife and my conscience won't allow me to defraud Sprint, run over my phone and get a replacement). I'm just trying to be cautious that's all and wondering if there are any other ways (non-physical and non-malicious) to brick your device other than flashing a GSM Radio on a CDMA phone.
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I'm not sure if there is anyone out there sincerely looking to brick their device. This idea is a bit ridiculous and if you're reading that into this thread you're clearly not seeing the ironic nature of the title Gunnyman's comment was completely sarcastic and funny (at least that's the way I took it in my reply...we're not trying to defraud anyone). But in all reality, no one is going to intentionally brick their phone. If they do, they've got issues larger than this forum can fix.
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If thats's how I read it? That's what you said... "How to brick your phone".
You might be surprised how many people do intentionally brick their phones. You might also be surprised (if you did just a LITTLE bit of searching) how many threads have been closed because people are openly trying to find out how to brick their phones with the intention of avoiding the $100 replacement charge.
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The intention is the opposite of what you're thinking. Just wanting to know what roads to avoid so that we don't brick our devices. I'm very fresh to this world and it can seem intimidating, so I thought this thread could help ease some of that anxiety.
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If that's the intention then I don't understand why you mislabeled the thread.
There are only 2 ways I know of to brick a CDMA Hero. They are very, very easily avoidable. You almost have to go out of your way to brick a CDMA Hero and if you READ about what you are doing to your phone before you do it you will easily avoid it. And for that matter, as long as you make nandroid backups, forget bricking, it's hard even just to lose whatever info might be important to you.
That's fine though, whatever floats yer boat. I am well aware of how to AVOID bricking my phone so I'll leave your thread alone now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=672131&highlight=brick
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663949&highlight=brick
Just to list two.
nebenezer said:
If thats's how I read it? That's what you said... "How to brick your phone".
You might be surprised how many people do intentionally brick their phones. You might also be surprised (if you did just a LITTLE bit of searching) how many threads have been closed because people are openly trying to find out how to brick their phones with the intention of avoiding the $100 replacement charge.
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First of all, how am I going to find closed threads? Don't they remove them? I really didn't know people search on how to brick their phones with this intention. It seems asinine to me. I hope the mods don't think that's my intention, because I've described it pretty clearly and have even updated the description to be extra clear.
If that's the intention then I don't understand why you mislabeled the thread.
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Because a thread that says "How to not brick your phone" is a complete waste of time (which this thread is quickly becoming). There are way more ways to NOT brick your phone than to brick it.
There are only 2 ways I know of to brick a CDMA Hero. They are very, very easily avoidable. You almost have to go out of your way to brick a CDMA Hero and if you READ about what you are doing to your phone before you do it you will easily avoid it. And for that matter, as long as you make nandroid backups, forget bricking, it's hard even just to lose whatever info might be important to you.
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What are the two ways?! I only know of one for the CDMA Hero (GSM Radio flashing to CDMA phone). This is what I'm talking about. You have information that I've been unable to find. Please share.
When you're learning about rooting your device and someone says "this procedure may brick your phone" your mind wonders, what is it about this procedure that may cause my phone to become an invaluable paperweight? That's what I'm after. From a previous forum, I learned that radios are something to be extra careful with. So, that got my mind wondering, what other areas should I be looking out for.
While I agree with the purpose of this thread, the title is a little confusing.
However, On a different phone (HTC Kaiser) there was an android port that I was interested in. I managed to brick that phone by running the sudo rm code in Terminal Emulator. While I don't know if it will brick a Hero it did brick the poor Kaiser. As it was an AT&T phone I had no use for it anymore and thought I'd give the command a try just to see the consequences.
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While I agree with the purpose of this thread, the title is a little confusing.
However, On a different phone (HTC Kaiser) there was an android port that I was interested in. I managed to brick that phone by running the sudo rm code in Terminal Emulator. While I don't know if it will brick a Hero it did brick the poor Kaiser. As it was an AT&T phone I had no use for it anymore and thought I'd give the command a try just to see the consequences.
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I don't think that would brick it, as we could still access the recovery partition to nandroid back.
Re: How to brick your phone.
While I agree with the purpose of this thread, the title is a little confusing.
However, On a different phone (HTC Kaiser) there was an android port that I was interested in. I managed to brick that phone by running the sudo rm code in Terminal Emulator. While I don't know if it will brick a Hero it did brick the poor Kaiser. As it was an AT&T phone I had no use for it anymore and thought I'd give the command a try just to see the consequences.
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This is good to know. What would I be doing to have to use this command?
Thread name: Will probably change when I have computer access. I honestly didn't realize people search forums to intentionally brick their devices. I've been proven wrong on that one
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while i agree with the purpose of this thread, the title is a little confusing.
However, on a different phone (htc kaiser) there was an android port that i was interested in. I managed to brick that phone by running the sudo rm code in terminal emulator. While i don't know if it will brick a hero it did brick the poor kaiser. As it was an at&t phone i had no use for it anymore and thought i'd give the command a try just to see the consequences.
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Code:
sudo rm ~/
lol
Just so everyone is aware, the kernel and the recovery partition signatures are checked on each boot, changing those will leave you with a brick, until we have proper firmware to recovery with.
I found out the hard way.
On my second Atrix now.
Casualty of war
Taking one for the team
Well that sucks..
any free partitions that we can "steal"? and basically pull a haret where it loads partially from legit bootloader and kernel, then shuffles off to a different partition we CAN write for the real kernel, unloads all that other stuff and then launches the new kernel partiion we've modified?
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Just so everyone is aware, the kernel and the recovery partition signatures are checked on each boot, changing those will leave you with a brick, until we have proper firmware to recovery with.
I found out the hard way.
On my second Atrix now.
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I guess that when we told you this, you just had to find out for yourself. The recovery should only be checked when you attempt to access it, but the kernel is checked on every boot. I hope you did not return to store as defective.
DG, thank you for putting yourself out there, and putting together roms along with the dev work.
Its nice to see some progress being done along side all the people on here saying what we shouldnt be doing/trying with our phones.
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DG, thank you for putting yourself out there, and putting together roms along with the dev work.
Its nice to see some progress being done along side all the people on here saying what we shouldnt be doing/trying with our phones.
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Don't thank him for repeating something which had been confirmed.
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I guess that when we told you this, you just had to find out for yourself. The recovery should only be checked when you attempt to access it, but the kernel is checked on every boot. I hope you did not return to store as defective.
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So you told me it was checked every boot (first bold), but it should only be checked when you access it (second bold)? Confused, on drugs or what?
I just found out the hard way for you, it's checked every boot accessed or not.
If you want to be elitist and not post up a FAQ about what you know (do you even have an atrix), please stop posting in here, you've done nothing but spout off what you know about other moto devices, it is clear they tightened things down a bit more.
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Don't thank him for repeating something which had been confirmed.
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everything you guys say, along with others says it SHOULD be checked when accessed, which means I should have been able to boot normally and fail when I boot recovery.
You guys keep saying its CONFIRMED, where is it documented for the atrix. Tests performed with document results as proof.
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So you told me it was checked every boot (first bold), but it should only be checked when you access it (second bold)? Confused, on drugs or what?
I just found out the hard way for you, it's checked every boot accessed or not.
If you want to be elitist and not post up a FAQ about what you know (do you even have an atrix), please stop posting in here, you've done nothing but spout off what you know about other moto devices, it is clear they tightened things down a bit more.
everything you guys say, along with others says it SHOULD be checked when accessed, which means I should have been able to boot normally and fail when I boot recovery.
You guys keep saying its CONFIRMED, where is it documented for the atrix. Tests performed with document results as proof.
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What is being elitist by my statement? That before you started playing with your shiny new toy, we advised that doing certain things with your phone without proper firmware to restore your phone, WOULD result in a "soft brick".
I do not have a motorola ATRIX, never said I did, but I can read the firmware pretty well. If your offended by my post I assume it is because offered up my standard line of "hope you did not return it as defective", because nothing else in that statement should lead you behave like a child.
Here how about this for a Facts, my rom was the first to safely remove Blur from the Droid series of phones safely, after reading the firmware from your phone, and your deodexed version of the firmware there are many portions you could remove safely.
If you have questions you could ask and get the answers, but as it stands right now, we are just trying to help you save yourselves. Many people will enter these forums, and while each person is responsible for their own device, they will try to follow what you have done and they too will soft brick their phone. I'm not sure of your ethical and moral makeup but too many people return their manipulated device to the provider as defective causing every to pay for their mistake.
I just hope you bought another Atrix outright and did not scam ATT/Motorola.
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So you told me it was checked every boot (first bold), but it should only be checked when you access it (second bold)? Confused, on drugs or what?
I just found out the hard way for you, it's checked every boot accessed or not.
If you want to be elitist and not post up a FAQ about what you know (do you even have an atrix), please stop posting in here, you've done nothing but spout off what you know about other moto devices, it is clear they tightened things down a bit more.
everything you guys say, along with others says it SHOULD be checked when accessed, which means I should have been able to boot normally and fail when I boot recovery.
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DesignGears,
Please don't let a claim-to-know-it-all self-righteous Prick like jimmydafish discourage your efforts.
As far as I'm concerned (and probably the majority of people who mash the refresh button on this subforum multiple times a day would agree) it's people like you (people who have actively contributed to the users here at XDA in the past (all your captivate work)), that make me feel lucky to own the same type of device that you and other dedicated devs like yourself own.
Its hard to imagine how someone who probably played a very small part on a team -- a team that, as far as I can tell, has never managed to actually produce any real results on the DX -- can know so much about a device he doesn't even own.
And if reading this post encourages members of any such team to get their panties in a wad and start talking about how they are not going to contribute here now, well then to that I say: good riddance. For every one small tip you may provide it seams like you offer two holier-than-thou-doughe-bag-comments that frankly this section of this forum could do without.
But again, thank you DesginGears and Devs like you
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DesignGears,
Please don't let a claim-to-know-it-all self-righteous Prick like jimmydafish discourage your efforts.
As far as I'm concerned (and probably the majority of people who mash the refresh button on this subforum multiple times a day would agree) it's people like you (people who have actively contributed to the users here at XDA in the past (all your captivate work)), that make me feel lucky to own the same type of device that you and other dedicated devs like yourself own.
Its hard to imagine how someone who probably played a very small part on a team -- a team that, as far as I can tell, has never managed to actually produce any real results on the DX -- can know so much about a device he doesn't even own.
And if reading this post encourages members of any such team to get their panties in a wad and start talking about how they are not going to contribute here now, well then to that I say: good riddance. For every one small tip you may provide it seams like you offer two holier-than-thou-doughe-bag-comments that frankly this section of this forum could do without.
But again, thank you DesginGears and Devs like you
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I can assure you I am not, glad to have support.
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Jimmy, no hard feelins, sorry I wanted try something and learn from it, sorry you told me two opposing things in the same post(this is what I am *****ing about if you would read you would know that), sorry I act like a child, I guess calling it how I see it is childish. From all the PM's about you I just got and mburris reply, you have made my block list, have fun in there with rafy.
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I just hope you bought another Atrix outright and did not scam ATT/Motorola.
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Maybe if more people softbricked and returned phones that have locked down bootloaders, oems and carriers might finally realize that when someone buys a piece of technology, they own it, and would like to use it as such.
That includes:
1. Not having some POS skin on top of stock android (Blur)
2. Not being locked into paying twice for the data we already pay for (tethering)
3. Not being allowed to easily install non-market apps that we develop without jumping through hoops (slide loading)
4. Not having to wait for the carrier or oem mfg to release an update before we can have a current version of Android.
Call it a Brick-n-Return Protest
mburris said:
Maybe if more people softbricked and returned phones that have locked down bootloaders, oems and carriers might finally realize that when someone buys a piece of technology, they own it, and would like to use it as such.
That includes:
1. Not having some POS skin on top of stock android (Blur)
2. Not being locked into paying twice for the data we already pay for (tethering)
3. Not being allowed to easily install non-market apps that we develop without jumping through hoops (slide loading)
4. Not having to wait for the carrier or oem mfg to release an update before we can have a current version of Android.
Call it a Brick-n-Return Protest
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LOL, that would surely cause some grief over at at&t, and a good laugh.
They would probably start leasing the phones so you can't say you own them.
Closed by OP request as this is an informational thread stating results of testing.
Just want to share listings which i found :
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270904716829&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:GB:1123
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HTC-SENSA...52440?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item1c233afbf8
They are not a XDA devs but they use XDA and another forum as source to make money.
People stay away from them. Devs are only the one who should have profits from their hard work in my opinion. Also theirs prices are so high for things which Devs share for free with all of us.
That's such a piss take
40 for that ?! Haha what a joke.
XDA should ban them!!
I dont think anything is wrong with it. They have taken the time to research and learn how to root and install custom roms. Some people cant comprehend or are just scared to do it themselves. I also imagine that the people who want a custom rom and are afraid to do it themselves have already come accross XDA, but still cant do it.
Although it sounds expensive to us, to some people might justify it, and the people who are doing it, should get paid for their time.
Edit: Although I do agree that the Devs should get a donation for their work.
nunyabiz said:
I dont think anything is wrong with it. They have taken the time to research and learn how to root and install custom roms. Some people cant comprehend or are just scared to do it themselves. I also imagine that the people who want a custom rom and are afraid to do it themselves have already come accross XDA, but still cant do it.
Although it sounds expensive to us, to some people might justify it, and the people who are doing it, should get paid for their time.
Edit: Although I do agree that the Devs should get a donation for their work.
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Then you are no better than them....
Have a good day.
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I could look at this two ways.
Initial impressions were "OMFG... stealing hacks"
But then if they offer a guaranteed assurance that if it bricks, your covered, then I think £40 is fair enough.
I wouldn't mind paying £40 for a guaranteed root. It's sensible.
seems fair enough to me......
i cant see the problem myself. its not as if people are been forced to use the service. the only reason i wont root is i just know i'll brick my phone. i simply dont have time to read countless pages on how to do it, and after spending too much time messing about on my hd2, i dont think the better half would be as forgiving again. so, £40 for a service which i'd quiet like but i'll NEVER do myself seems pretty good to me. as for people shouting for them to be banned from xda......just LOL.........
donwhann said:
i cant see the problem myself. its not as if people are been forced to use the service. the only reason i wont root is i just know i'll brick my phone. i simply dont have time to read countless pages on how to do it, and after spending too much time messing about on my hd2, i dont think the better half would be as forgiving again. so, £40 for a service which i'd quiet like but i'll NEVER do myself seems pretty good to me. as for people shouting for them to be banned from xda......just LOL.........
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Countless pages? Are you serious mate?
OK, I've assembled a quick guide for you.
Requirements:
Brain
Htc Sensation
Electricity
Computer with access to internet
Hands
Knowing how to read
Then its easy:
Follow this link and do it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Have a good day.
Hmm, the free market filling a niche for people who can't be bothered to learn a few new skills - it ain't new people, I recall the exact same indignation when Android first arrived for the hd2 and people sold 'installation kits'.
There's no way to stop it, no matter now easy the noob guides are - you only have to read the cries for help in the forum to realise that some people simply cannot understand something written down.
You'd hope their conscience made them donate to the dev's, but I wouldn't bet on it.
dmcb123 said:
XDA should ban them!!
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How can XDA ban them?
beston94 said:
Countless pages? Are you serious mate?
OK, I've assembled a quick guide for you.
Requirements:
Brain
Htc Sensation
Electricity
Computer with access to internet
Hands
Knowing how to read
Then its easy:
Follow this link and do it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Have a good day.
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or you could just pay someone £35 to do it for you......., lazy i know, but hey, thats life.........
ps: i just checked your link and the HUGE WALLS OF TEXT just puts me off, i'd defo pay for the service if i ever wanted to root my phone....
boomboomer said:
Hmm, the free market filling a niche for people who can't be bothered to learn a few new skills - it ain't new people, I recall the exact same indignation when Android first arrived for the hd2 and people sold 'installation kits'.
There's no way to stop it, no matter now easy the noob guides are - you only have to read the cries for help in the forum to realise that some people simply cannot understand something written down.
You'd hope their conscience made them donate to the dev's, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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this. i tried walking a guy (he was asking help on craigslist) thru installing android on a hd2, and he couldn't follow my directions...
If devs don't mind and there is a buyer willing to pay for the service why not.
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donwhann said:
or you could just pay someone £35 to do it for you......., lazy i know, but hey, thats life.........
ps: i just checked your link and the HUGE WALLS OF TEXT just puts me off, i'd defo pay for the service if i ever wanted to root my phone....
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Exactly. Not every one is smart. Not every one has TIME
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hope they die and burn in hell, get reincarnated, die, go to hell and burn. x200
illuminarias said:
hope they die and burn in hell, get reincarnated, die, go to hell and burn. x200
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Bit harsh perhaps?
illuminarias said:
hope they die and burn in hell, get reincarnated, die, go to hell and burn. x200
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for charging £35-£40 for the service ?, perhaps £15-£20 might have been better.......
I don't seem the harm if the devs are ok with it either. I mean back in the days, before rooting, people were paying people like davinciteam to "unlock" the phones to get the bloated carrier software off the phones. No, Davinci is not exactly the same as these ebay listers, but it's the service you are paying for, bottom line.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
monoxide.tryst said:
Exactly. Not every one is smart. Not every one has TIME
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Not everyone is smart? Are you kidding me? A 10 year old could follow the instructions and complete the s-off and root and flash a custom rom.
What the hell is happening to our world?
Here is my advice to you "not smart" people: USE YOUR BRAIN.