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Well I want to start off by saying that I've rooted my N1 and tried several cooked roms including CM's and the Modaco version. I keep searching for a reason to use a custom rom. Every time I do, I end up reverting back to stock. I just don't get the purpose. I understand cooking Windows Mobile roms to get newer OS versions that included new features and stuff, and cooking in new updated apps... I've searched and searched looking for some solid reason to stay on a custom rom, but I can't find one.
The Nexus One is just awesome and pretty clean as it is out of the box. It seems like when I use a cooked rom, it's more bloated then stock and I "try" to make it work as my stock rom did, with same apps and homescreen setup (I like Launcher Pro/Dialer One). I know some of the roms include "newer kernels" which I'm guessing is like a newer build but I don't see anything really that "pops" out. I understand rooting the device to gain full access to the system. But you can root a stock rom.
I also understand porting different systems like Desire/Hero/whatever. But aside from cosmetics, rooting, overclocking, and undervolting... why use a custom roms?
And mods, I've searched and searched, and read and read, I've seen the stickies. I'm looking for specifics.
player911 said:
aside from cosmetics, rooting, overclocking, and undervolting... why use a custom roms?.
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I think you summed it up pretty well. cosmetics, rooting, overclocking, and undervolting.
For me, custom roms is worth it JUST for trackball wake up, and unlock, on the nexus. I hated having to use the power button way at the top.
For some, its so you can use an entirely open source phone, free from proprietary google apps.
The great chefs put a ton of thought into all the additions they use, create, and implement. Things that save battery life, improve user experience, or fix bugs / quirks.
There isn't a huge demand for ROM's for the N1 because we're at the forefront of Android right now. We're the one's with 2.2. We have flash. Everyone else is getting ports of what we get stock. This will continue for the foreseeable future, until Google selects another handset to be its in-house testing model, or launches Nexus Two/Dev Phone 4 (counting N1 as 3). Once we're obsolete, then, and only then, will you see the modding community pick up and you'll see big reasons to go with custom ROM's.
CM has the latest android code that is publically availalble. (He just synced code today). The little features that are missing are enough for me. Things like invisible lock screen, to the newly added gestures in the music app(great for driving).
If you're not a tweaker by nature then stock OS code will suffice. Me? I can't get enough of the new little things that add up to an overall great package.
/cm nutriding
Because it's fun.
720p recording.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698287
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There isn't a huge demand for ROM's for the N1 because we're at the forefront of Android right now. We're the one's with 2.2. We have flash. Everyone else is getting ports of what we get stock. This will continue for the foreseeable future, until Google selects another handset to be its in-house testing model, or launches Nexus Two/Dev Phone 4 (counting N1 as 3). Once we're obsolete, then, and only then, will you see the modding community pick up and you'll see big reasons to go with custom ROM's.
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Yea that makes sense.
I just feel that custom roms are more bloated then stock. I've been looking into trying one of the "Super Clean OC/UV Rooted" roms. But then again I think the stock OS is just the Bee's Knee's.
What is "bloated"?
There are zillions of reasons for custom ROMs, visual and functional:
Apps2SD
USB and WiFi tethering
Locales
OpenVPN
Dropbear, Bash, etc (better Linux experience)
Trackball colors, notifications
Torch (using flash LED as flashlight)
Deep system options made visible / changeable, lots of customization options
Most of Froyo features were implemented in custom ROMs way before Froyo test build.
My setup is VERY far from stock. And I use everything mentioned above. I can't even move to Froyo, because I need Apps2SD to work - overloaded with big apps.
I think that's a great reason..
player911 said:
Yea that makes sense.
I just feel that custom roms are more bloated then stock. I've been looking into trying one of the "Super Clean OC/UV Rooted" roms. But then again I think the stock OS is just the Bee's Knee's.
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No reason why you can't use Cyanogen's Quick Root + Pershoot's OC/UV Kernel on FroYo to benefit from rcxquake's wonderful modded Flash .apk and watch Hulu. It's obviously not quite as complete as CM 5.0.x (desperately missing trackball wake), and despite having root for some reason I still can't rm -f and pm uninstall com.amazon.mp3.apk from adb shell, but it gets almost everything done for me. The main thing that made FroYo live-able for me was the addition of ogdobber's Black Bar, which I had gotten very used to on CM5. That said, I can't wait for a CM flavor of FroYo...
willverduzco said:
No reason why you can't use Cyanogen's Quick Root + Pershoot's OC/UV Kernel on FroYo to benefit from rcxquake's wonderful modded Flash .apk and watch Hulu. It's obviously not quite as complete as CM 5.0.x (desperately missing trackball wake), and despite having root for some reason I still can't rm -f and pm uninstall com.amazon.mp3.apk from adb shell, but it gets almost everything done for me. The main thing that made FroYo live-able for me was the addition of ogdobber's Black Bar, which I had gotten very used to on CM5. That said, I can't wait for a CM flavor of FroYo...
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Have you tried "adb remount" to remount the System partition in read/write mode first?
I'm sure I'm setting myself up here, but what advantages are there to the custom ROMs at this point?
I'm running stock Froyo 2.2 (I did update the radio to 5.08, though), stock bootloader, and I'm not rooted. I'm on T-Mobile in the Tampa, FL area.
I'm not sure if it's a coincidence, or just because most people that are posting on XDA are running custom ROMs, but I don't really have ANY of the problems most people on here have. My battery life is great, and the phone is overall VERY stable. I've tried other launchers, themes, etc., but I always prefer the stability of the stock setup over aesthetics.
The few issues I have had I can attribute to poorly written apps (force closes, battery vampires), or known hardware problems (mediocre 3G connectivity at times, etc).
I can understand if you have a phone like the MyTouch that never got any official updates after 1.6, or you want to try the next leaked software on your phone. But the Nexus One has had tons of official support and updates up to this point. Before Froyo was officially released, I found myself better off with stock recovery to load the latest, greatest Froyo build.
Sorry for the rambling, but I would greatly appreciate any education I can get on what's packed into these custom ROMs that everyone gets so excited about.
THANKS!
Don't really feel like typing all the reasons haha, but there's a lot of stuff to enjoy with custom roms. If stock works for you that's great. I don't know anyone that's ever gone custom and wanted to go back but I'm sure it happens. End of the day it's whatever makes you happy. A lot of us want more than just a great experience, we want to see what's possible. You can view the changelog for the latest Cyanogenmod(most popular custom ROM) build here http://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_vendor_cyanogen/blob/froyo/CHANGELOG.mkdn
1. More control over the appearance of the OS. Get rid of that ugly white notification bar and replace it with a sexy black one, for example.
2. Removing the stock apps from the phone that you don't use or want. Why have them sitting there taking up space and potentially resources for no reason? Sure they don't take up much in terms of storage space, but if you use a lot of apps, every little bit counts.
3. Undervolting and over/underclocking. Get that extra little performance boost, or cut it back. When I was UV'd to 800mV and UC'd to 806mhz, I noticed no performance difference or problems (note: I don't play 3d games on my phone) and my battery life was insane. 24 hours of normal use would put me to 65% give or take.
4. Relating to number one, more control over other things. I've ripped stock, but customized, apps from random ROMs and pushed them to my phone. Black Facebook & Twitter widgets (white ones are ugly), darkened (black & dark grey) stock messaging interface with white text, etc.
5. Trackball Alert Pro.
I'm sure that others can add more, but the above are the main reasons I rooted mine.
A tiny little thing called Apps2SD+, for example.
Multiple audio/video decoder support.
Lots of Linux binaries bundled.
Lots of modifications to stock software (contacts, browser) that increase their usefulness (for example, do you really like to type "about:debug" each time you want to change browser client after reboot?).
etc etc.
Thanks for all the great info.
The underclocking sounds interesting. I don't play any games on my phone, and extra battery life is always nice.
I'm not too interested in customizing the appearance too much. Coming from an iPhone, I'm pretty happy with the looks of the stock Froyo UI compared to that.
Again, thanks for the time you guys took to give me some information. I greatly appreciate it!
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Ryjabo said:
1. More control over the appearance of the OS. Get rid of that ugly white notification bar and replace it with a sexy black one, for example.
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5. Trackball Alert Pro.
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This was reason #1 and 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 for me, respectively
Track ball skip song.. Enough said.
If I install a custom ROM, when a new one comes out, do I have to install the ROM from the start and I loose my setings etc. or do I just update it?
Depends on the ROM maker. Most make their ROMs backwards-compatible, so you can upgrade. Going between different makers' ROMs you mostly need to wipe and start fresh (though there are apps that can back up and restore pretty much everything).
I am thinking to try Cyanogenmod ROM, bot I don't wan't to cofigurate all the things when a new ROM comes out.
So, in lieu of Google holding onto the HC source code and me getting fed up with the stock ROM, I am wondering if I should for for Nookie Froyo or CM7 or maybe wait longer...
List of things I don't like about 2.1 rooted ROM:
B&N launcher, I'm always hitting it by accident
No copy/paste (need!)
No Flash support
Overall slow, buggy performance, screen not so accurate (big pain)
App incompatibility, I'd like to try some apps like Firefox or update Maps regularly
WiFi issues, have to toggle on/off to connect
Poor battery life
List of things holding me to 2.1 now:
Notification bar on bottom, with back and menu buttons (this is a big one)
Ability to quickly lock to portrait mode by tapping the clock
And since I only have 2 GB uSD cards, can I completely copy my current ROM with CWM to restore back to where I am now?
Thanks for any input
I suggest you check out CyanogenMod 7 with tablet options from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002000
[MOD][CM7] Honeycomb features - in progress - updated 03/26
It addresses the features you are concerend with and is great on the NookColor!
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i have tried nookie froyo, Honeycomb and now CM7 on the ineternal memory and personally i find CM7 alot more stable, my youtube works, flash works, bluetooth works, orientation is smoother than others, apps do not seem to over scale/under scale often...oooh yeah my angry birds work, wifi stays connected when coming out of sleep mode, but early way you go you are gonna get some bugginess. but CM7 does not seem to have as many.
CM7 hands down. A fast working community.
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Well, I dove right in and installed Honeycomb v4 on eMMC and I am super excited for it. I just had to give it a go.
I guess lots of apps aren't really working for it right now?
Which Rom
I use Nookie Froyo (from the sd card) on my unrooted Nook. It works really well gives u access to the market and all that it brings; I have gmail,Gtalk etc. good battery life, and you can just remove the sd card to use the Nook in the "out of the box form".
One of the great things about the NC as it is right now:
there are a HUGE number of ways to try new things.
Personally I am a fan of rooting for the speed gains and ease- once cwm recovery is installed I can flash and revert easily and as needed.
I run CM7 nightlies on emmc (internal memory) and keep important backups (still have rooted stock and at least 2 GOOD, stable backups at all times) and yet test any and all new rom updates and test I choose.
Flash works and video should be perfect in CM7 soon: I just tried the video test build (and wiped data) and reverted back to my nightly with Tablet Tweaks and 1.1Ghz overclock, all configured and ready to go. Nightlies have not YET required me to do a data wipe....
My point being- it is pretty simple to try any and all roms and decide which you want from personal experience.
First of all, Sorry! I know this question was asked like billion times over and over, and the amount of opinions is equal to the amount of the people who comment, but still.
Currently I'm running stock deodexed XXJVO ROM with CF-Root kernel.
The phone never was stable 100%, but the last days are horrible. Waze stuck (need hard reboot), phone turns off at night (=I dont have alarm clock = I late to work), it FCs and/or reboots randomly.
Now I want to get clear about the ROMs. There are 2 kind of them:
1. ROMs based on stock Samsung roms
2. ROMs based on Googles roms (like miui and CM)
Am I right?
Right now I don't have time nor the interest to play with really custom roms (miui/cm) since I'm not sure how stable they are (am I wrong about their stability?).
I just need phone that calls, surfs the web, sends sms, take photos, records videos and allows me to use GPS for navigation while I drive. For this reason I prefer to go with the roms based on stock Samsung roms (again correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe roms like MIUI/CM are stable enough for day-day use without flashing and reflashing the nightly every few days).
I need suggestion for either full ROM or combination of ROM and Kernel that will unleash the full potential of my phone with the minimum lags/FCs/reboots/etc.
From fast reading here I understood that Semaphore kernel is good enough (of course any other suggestions are welcomed). What do you think about combining it with stock deodexed ROM? Or maybe you have other more preferable ROMS (I don't have any preference to specific rom, however there are some things I can't live without and they are: a) NON increasing ringtone b) preferably root c) Ability to theme the phone, All other fixes/tweaks are optional and are in state of "nice to have").
Thanks a lot for reading this long posts, understand me and helping!
Have a good day and an awesome weekend!
I think you should try stock jvu and latest Semaphore kernel.
And convert to ext4.
That's fast enough.
BTW MIUI and CM7 are very fast and stable.
**tapatalked with galaxy s on CNA and Glitch kernel**
Flash mint berry miui, it's fast and will fit your requirements
Thanks for the replies!
dark_knight35
Stock JVU you mean stock, or stock and deodexed?
Should I bother and try MIUI/CM? (As I understood there is also ICS ROMs, what are those?)
hassaan123
Thanks, Ill consider this. Tough I'm a bit afraid about MIUI/CM since those are different ROMs.
More comments are welcomed!
Team ICSSGS RC4.2 the best for we till now
i wouldnt prefer miui/cm for gps. i used mintberry for 2 months but after the first weeks of pure stabilty it began to random reboot more than twice a day. reflash, new version everytime the same.
the ram management was also horrible in my eyes. i dont really like the cm kernels. they are updated too fast and it seems that they are never really stable for some reason. my battery life was horrible on miui. also annoying is that you always has to clear your memory manually before you want to play a game which isnt even in 3D. plus 720p is always choppy because they want to use more ram which is taken from the reserved memory for video recording. ah the compass isnt working too sometimes... depends on kernel but i didnt find a kernel which works
i am back on darky 10.4.2 with semaphore kernel. darkcore is also very good kernel with good stabilty and battery but i dont use it because i need voodoo color for my display...
especially for you skwo i would prefer the base versions from darky. they are kinda pure samsung with some tweaks and then you can try the dark core which is brought with and if you dont like it switch to semaphore. the standart theme is also very decent and if you dont like you can still customize your phone with the ota app such as things like camera hack (that annoying under 10% thingy that doesnt let you use your cam) or the exteneded toggepanel.
i understand good what you want. i mean its really cool to have such a great community which is working on so much roms but they are too heavy customized sometimes. everything seems so overloaded and the most skins doesnt fit with they own colors they use. i mean there are so much ics themed roms but with 15 different blue tones, that doesnt look "professional" and make android look like a bad designed mess
Kodon
Thanks a lot for this helpful reply!
I heard the same about MIUI/CM/ICS ROMs, that they lack 720p video recording (which is sort of important to me), and how some issues with GPS, and not stable enough.
Yea I tried darky once, didn't like it. I consider trying it again (with maybe different kernel).
The theme is not that important to me, I just put some AOSP theme that adds the battery percentage indicator. I used to play with the phone few months ago (was a ROM hopper and liked to customize it), these days I'm too busy for all this and just need a smart-phone that works.
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Thanks for the replies!
dark_knight35
Stock JVU you mean stock, or stock and deodexed?
Should I bother and try MIUI/CM? (As I understood there is also ICS ROMs, what are those?)
hassaan123
Thanks, Ill consider this. Tough I'm a bit afraid about MIUI/CM since those are different ROMs.
More comments are welcomed!
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You can try Faryaab's jvu (deodexed&rooted). It's hear in general section.
I think a jvu/cm9/miui rom is better for you than ics, coz they are bit buggy.
**tapatalked with galaxy s on CNA and Glitch kernel**
CM7 battery life is not good and call is not stable like rock.
MIUI battery life is better than CM7 but is not good. Call is rock
MIUI / CM7 video recording 720P is sucks. (temp fix = Change bit rate to 1000000)
ICS video playback is bad and some apps will not work or FC. (still on development)
Stock battery is good / call is stable / video playback and 720 recoding is good / but speed is low.
There is not a BEST ROM for all things.
If u can be happy with low speed stocks are awesome.
Best way: Try one to one all ROMs and choose the best for self needs.
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CM7 battery life is not good and call is not stable like rock.
MIUI battery life is better than CM7 but is not good. Call is rock
MIUI / CM7 video recording 720P is sucks. (temp fix = Change bit rate to 1000000)
ICS video playback is bad and some apps will not work or FC. (still on development)
Stock battery is good / call is stable / video playback and 720 recoding is good / but speed is low.
There is not a BEST ROM for all things.
If u can be happy with low speed stocks are awesome.
Best way: Try one to one all ROMs and choose the best for self needs.
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if you try every rom for sgs you are busy for the next 2 years. the most roms are in the first week very good till every app fills their cache and the partition is getting fragmented. the only method in my eyes to see if a rom is good is to use it for 3-4 weeks. even the battery does need 2-3 loading cycles which can take 4-5 days if the battery use is good and you want to see how it works when its recalibrated after flash.
especially we galaxy s users need to see others opinion in a thread like that. you really cant go through every thread and search for feedback between the whole bug reports and advices for bootloops
I can't decide between stock XXJVU (also not sure if I want the deodexed one) or DarkyRom or some other simple ROM that based on JVU (like SauroM). Any suggestions?
Go for stock jvu, odexed, add andip's theme, remove bloatware, use go launcher with ics theme, semaphore kernel 2.5.0 with ext4
Doesn't get any better than this
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Thanks a lot! Going to flash
Why so many post ?
Try MIUI (mintberry is very good) and revert to stock rom if you aren't happy.
MIUI has a lot of new things : it's not only the launcher and themes; Miui based on Ginger is stable. I try regulary to return to stock rom and every time I reflash an MIUI, too many things are missing on stock roms or CM7 !
Hello all very long time lurker but am here now for some help. So a few questions and description of what i wish to achieve.
I have a POS iPod touch 4th gen that I have had 2 and half years or something and really want to replace. Also have an Xperia X10 and shortly will have an LG Optimus 2X. The X10 will function for phone duties until the Xperia TX become available in Australia.
Back the the O2X though. Now turning an android phone into a Portable Media Player (PMP) is something I have been wanting to do for a while now. Naturally though this brings up a few things that will not be needed.
For the music front end I will be using Player Pro and Pics and videos will primarily be held and viewed in QuickPic.
The phone will still need to retain wifi and bluetooth capabilities, however I want to fully disable all other forms of connectivity as I will have no need of it and will not be using a sim in the phone as this will be dedicated to music, movies and pics. So does anyone know the best way gor me to go about that?
I will also have a hell of a lot of unused and unwanted apps. I would love to be able to really strip the phone back and free up as much space as possible. Now in the past I have been able to uninstall pre-installed apps from my X10. I am just unsure how to go about it on the O2X. Does anyone know how I would go about completely removing the phone, contacts, calander, stock music, stock gallery and other assorted apps?
I would also need to be using a kernel with the voodoo sound mods for the wolfson DAC. Now I was wondering if there was any recommendations there?
Finally I would also like a recommendation of the most stable ICS based ROM to go with the voodoo kernel. I would like the ROM to also include a modifiable set of notification bar widgets so I can easily turn on and of things like wifi, bluetooth, gps, airaplane mode and adjust brightness. Anyone know of anything that would fit the bill?
Must also come with a working camera app (does not need to has video recording working or panorama just basic camera duties please). Any other suggestions that you may think of feel free to post them.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and hope some of you can help me out here on my project to make an Android PMP out of a great little Android Phone.
Stoner
Note to mods: hope I am posting in the right section, feel free to move it if I am not.
Since connectivity is already built in into the android OS, you can't disable it, but I think keeping your phone in airplane mode all the time should do the trick. Anyway, taking out the sim card already disables all connectivity that involves telecommunications.
If you want to remove system apps, you have to root your phone first. The forum already has so many guides on rooting. Then all you have to do is use any root file manager, go into system/app and delete the apps there. Not everything can be deleted though, some are crucial for the functioning of the phone.
The other way is to download a rom, open the zip and delete everything you don't need that's under system/app and install it. No guarantees that your phone will boot up though, if you happen to hit an app that is crucial for the rom to work. Then you can flash the rom and it's done.
There are many kernels that use voodoo, just find one that fits any rom of your choice.
Finally: ICS roms still have some bugs, seeing that you are going to use it as a PMP, I recommend not upgrading to ICS or later until roms made from LG's sources start popping out. I hear that CM10 (that runs on jellybean) will be released shortly after LG releases their ICS update.
Almost all roms have a camera app, no worries there!
TL;DR Install any rom you'd like that seems to fit the bill. Root your phone, open the particular rom's zip file and remove apps you don't need that are in system/app, flash it to your phone (with recovery mode of course). Flash kernel to your liking.
Looks like LG is no better than Sony when it comes to OS Updates haha
shall look at stock based Rome for now then. Try and find a JB skinned one if possible.
Then play trial and error with what apps I can remove before flashing and which I have to leave and possibly just freeze. New it was something simple but its been a while. I hope I can remove all the basic apps that make it function like a phone otherwise I guess I will make do with freezing and hiding them. Love removing all clutter possible.
Will be waiting to see if CM10 can come along much less buggy than all the CM9 and ICS ROMs that I have looked at. Silly LG hampering the development of ROMs because there isn't an official ICS update to work off and its late 2012 already. Hoping for some good news though with what I have read about SK and them getting ICS.