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I am in California so I have 30 days from the day I received the phone in order to return it. So I am thinking should I return it ?....If I root my phone, can I still return it without any repercussions from rooting ?...
If you are asking why do I want to return it: IDK honestly, just feel kind of stupid/bad for spending so much on this phone especially when some of its tech is already phased out (the touch screen sensor)...but it is not on a contract and I guess I can always buy another phone and even try to sell this one....
any ways..if you have any ideas/comments on any of these issues then please advise me. The main thing here is I want to know if I can return it if I root it ?
Don't think so, you void the warranty when you unlock the bootloader. I would have to imagine that your right to return it goes with the warranty as well.
I understand what you are saying, but returning and warranty are two different things, they would not necessarily be linked...
any other insights ?
Tech is phase out???? example touch sensor?
You coming from which century? year 3010?
Well if you go buy anything and void your warranty don't expect them to refund you lol
You should be able to return it unless the seller of the phone powers it on to inspect it.
buyers remorse
just return it. if you feel like it's outdated, that's a cop out. if you feel like it's defective, clear conscience.
If you root it you will never WANT to return it
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I am in California so I have 30 days from the day I received the phone in order to return it. So I am thinking should I return it ?....If I root my phone, can I still return it without any repercussions from rooting ?...
If you are asking why do I want to return it: IDK honestly, just feel kind of stupid/bad for spending so much on this phone especially when some of its tech is already phased out (the touch screen sensor)...but it is not on a contract and I guess I can always buy another phone and even try to sell this one....
any ways..if you have any ideas/comments on any of these issues then please advise me. The main thing here is I want to know if I can return it if I root it ?
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I've been hearing you complain about the phone being outdated all over the place, can you hurry and do whatever you're going to do and go to the HTC Incredible section, if there is one.
Have you already rooted it? if not, don't until you are sure you don't want to return it.
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I've been hearing you complain about the phone being outdated all over the place, can you hurry and do whatever you're going to do and go to the HTC Incredible section, if there is one.
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So what? There are other members who want insight and all I see is "yes its worth it, just keep it etc..." I mean I understand they are writing in the Nexus One section, but that does not mean they should only read/get the positive replies about the phone -there are others like me who have gripes about it and I will share my opinion as long as they are asking...why don't you just ignore everything I say since you seem so upset that I am offending your phone simply by bringing up truths and opinions WHEN ASKED mind you. Did I say the PHONE WAS OUTDATED? NO (which is beside the point any ways)- I said some of the tech is outdated/being phased out already such as the Multi Touch Sensor...now if that hurts your feelings or makes you upset then take it up with google -I for one feel that I would like to have been able to have the new MaxTouch sensor included in the Nexus, but since that is not the case then it is definitely something which makes me second guess if I should keep it or wait for another phone to arise with the MaxTouch tech.
Now why would you reply such a way to this topic when I am asking if I can return it if it is rooted, you reply has nothing to do with my topic...is it really bugging you that much? Do you really care about what I am doing/saying so much?(thanks BTW haha )
LMFAO - Look at what I found:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=650854
Looks like ~Eclair was in the same concerned position as I am....You just happen to talk about the same thing as me also -the tech being outdated...it just so happens that it HAS already been outdated (with regards to the touch sensor that is) and that is what I was unsure about...So why are you all of a sudden coming back at me like you never had the same concerns about the phone..I am sure we are not the only ones who have these same concerns and others may want to hear it -if not they can overlook it, simple.
Put simply: just stop and either please try to be helpful or don't reply at all..seems reasonable, doesn't it ?
That was funny finding that thread you made though and you are here coming after me about the same thing you created a thread about...
imo, if you didn't want this to happen you shouldn't have posted why you wanted to return it. Just simply stating the question would do.
and I also believe that rooting would cause the phone to be non-returnable. But since they can relock the bootloader, there's also not much reason why not.
yea I wish someone had some definite insight into this topic...
Call htc then?
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Call htc then?
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yeah I guess that would give me the most official answer....
Okay, so I’m thinking about buying a Nexus One and have a few questions to ask before buying it. Please understand that I have never used Android before and this will be my first time. Here they are…
1. Does rooting void my warranty? Like, if I decide to root the phone, will my warranty no longer be valid? Also, what exactly is rooting?
2. Does using a rooted phone vs. a non-rooted phone have any differences besides having access to root files? Like, is a rooted phone slower or have any problems? What are the pros and cons of a rooted phone vs. a non rooted one?
3. Does sense from let’s say the Desire ROM, run as smoothly on the Desire as it does on the Nexus?
4. What are the pros and cons of the Nexus One?
5. How durable is the nexus one, I saw some article where the LCD supposedly cracked for no reason which I don't believe but...? I do take really, really good care of my phones and baby them but I’d still like to know. I live in south Florida where it’s really humid (and HOT, 103 degrees at 3:00 today!!) and had a moisture incident with a Tilt 2…. Especially since it’s summer and rains quite often in afternoons and then the suns comes back up which makes it really humid and miserable….
6.Does anyone regret getting a Nexus One and wish they got something else…? If so why, and what?
That’s about it…sorry if I‘m asking really common questions that get asked a lot but, I’m new to Android and curious before I make the switch. If there is anything essential a newcomer needs to know that I didn’t mention please tell me, I’d really appreciate it!
Go for nexus one, its amazing with Froyo 2.2, no phone currently beat nexus with froyo 2.2, and if u got built model other than ERE27, you are bound to root it to get Froyo 2.2, which is worth the unlocking. And as for unlocking it void your warranty.
And yes of course nexus one is best phone ever, current owner of nexus one, and iphone 3gs, i would like to say Nexus One can outperform iphone anyday with froyo 2.2. Except of some apps. but dont worry Android Market is catching up, and soon it will match quality apps like in iphone. Although i miss my Skype on Nexus but there are alternative to workaround. but with Google Voice who needs skype.
I dont know if it will answer your each and every question but i would simply suggest 529 USD well spent on NEXUS.
Go with your gut
Go for nexus one, its amazing with Froyo 2.2, no phone currently beat nexus with froyo 2.2, and if u got built model other than ERE27, you are bound to root it to get Froyo 2.2, which is worth the unlocking. And as for unlocking it void your warranty.
And yes of course nexus one is best phone ever, current owner of nexus one, and iphone 3gs, i would like to say Nexus One can outperform iphone anyday with froyo 2.2. Except of some apps. but dont worry Android Market is catching up, and soon it will match quality apps like in iphone. Although i miss my Skype on Nexus but there are alternative to workaround. but with Google Voice who needs skype.
I dont know if it will answer your each and every question but i would simply suggest 529 USD well spent on NEXUS.
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BRO I have Skype on my nexus. Just type in Skype android download on google and you'll get the beta. Its the best.
no - and why
no, i would not recommend a N1 for anyone, anymore. here's why:
3G. the phone drops 3g signals constantly, without warning, causing any/all network traffic to halt. youtube, phone calls, pandora, voicemail, calendars, sync, all of that fails when the 3g signal dies.
now, for clarification, when 3g drops, the phone is sitting on a shelf/table, with four bars. four. 4. excellent signal, no UFO's flying over head, nothing. it completely stops making traffic, and forces you to restart the radio (goto airplane, then exit airplane mode) before packets start moving again.
i've been using the n1 for about 3 months now, and it's an AWESOME smartphone. the roms are fantastic, the apps great, but 3g is rediculous. it's hardware, and it's really bad.
would i buy a revision 2 of the nexus ? ONLY and only after a few other thousand other people report that the 3g problems are gone.
just to be clear, 3g is the one and only gripe (besides a physical keyboard) i have with the n1.
your other questions will be answered shortly. ;-)
Okay, thanks for the answers guys but so far only one of my questions was answered!
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Okay, so I’m thinking about buying a Nexus One and have a few questions to ask before buying it. Please understand that I have never used Android before and this will be my first time. Here they are…
1. Does rooting void my warranty? Like, if I decide to root the phone, will my warranty no longer be valid? Also, what exactly is rooting?
2. Does using a rooted phone vs. a non-rooted phone have any differences besides having access to root files? Like, is a rooted phone slower or have any problems? What are the pros and cons of a rooted phone vs. a non rooted one?
3. Does sense from let’s say the Desire ROM, run as smoothly on the Desire as it does on the Nexus?
4. What are the pros and cons of the Nexus One?
5. How durable is the nexus one, I saw some article where the LCD supposedly cracked for no reason which I don't believe but...? I do take really, really good care of my phones and baby them but I’d still like to know. I live in south Florida where it’s really humid (and HOT, 103 degrees at 3:00 today!!) and had a moisture incident with a Tilt 2…. Especially since it’s summer and rains quite often in afternoons and then the suns comes back up which makes it really humid and miserable….
6.Does anyone regret getting a Nexus One and wish they got something else…? If so why, and what?
That’s about it…sorry if I‘m asking really common questions that get asked a lot but, I’m new to Android and curious before I make the switch. If there is anything essential a newcomer needs to know that I didn’t mention please tell me, I’d really appreciate it!
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rooting can void you warranty, people are having hit and miss experiences... in the end, it is up to htc... like this site told me, play with it, use it.... make sure the phone is solid then root.
I have never used a desire, but I did try the senseui rom, it looked and felt great... but it was 2.1...
my non root nexus was great, a pleasure to use... and that is coming from my 3gs.... it was not as smooth or polished as my 3gs, but it was beyond acceptable.... but I wanted to root because I was tired of waiting for froyo 2.2... which adds beta flash support. So I did it, and now its fast, smooth and has many more options... I can play most flash websites and even some flash games, stream sports games and my local radio stations, it add some cool apps to your phone as well, depening on what you flash, it can be overclocked, or cool looking, endless really. I still do not know what I am doing... but it is fun so far, lol.
I have no cons yet, pros are above really.... 5mb camera, 1000mhz (1113 here), flash, customizing. I think it is very durable so far, I am a contractor and use it for work and play, I even dropped it today
I do not regret it and I am having fun with it, it does almost all the things I want and much more I never knew possible... even live wallpaper makes me giddy, lol.
I went from the 3g to the 3gs and I still love the nexus one..... I am new to my phone, but I hope I shed some light somewhere, you will not regret it
Wow, thanks! I'm really concerned about rooting though... Is it difficult? Do you lose any features or usability of the device? What exactly does it do?
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Wow, thanks! I'm really concerned about rooting though... Is it difficult? Do you lose any features or usability of the device? What exactly does it do?
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rooting is not very difficult, but be sure you do your research first. Rooting does not loose any features, in fact the purpose of it is to allow the user full access to the phone. Basically the phone manufacturer lock down many of the things that could cause the phone to break, because of this rooting allows you to have full "admin" rights to the phone, be able to possibly break the phone but it allows you so much more. Overclocking, access to apps not usable by nonroots, and rom flashing. There are a lot of things to do when rooted, however I would advise that you hold off on rooting (im assuming your new to android) get to know the phone first, see if you like, or if your disappointed, if you are perfectly content with what the phone defaultly delivers there is no reason to root.
-Cheers and good luck
PS the nexus one was my first smartphone and so far it has done everything i could possiblely want, and i never looked back
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if u got built model other than ERE27, you are bound to root it to get Froyo 2.2, which is worth the unlocking. And as for unlocking it void your warranty.
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hmm...why is that? my phone came with EPE54B and would like to get froyo once its out officially
If you get the awesome Nexus in your hand stock or rooted, you will be amazed and never look back
Well, I won't be rooting it myself, someone I know offered to do it for me who is really experienced with Android. So should I accept the offer, or decline? I'm coming from WinMo here where ROOT access I suppose it's called is their by default. You can go to the windows folder and do anything you want within their where all the system files are available to see. But, you can't delete some stuff therefore total commander give you total access to that lol.
the only possible issue is rooting voids your warranty. but many people have still gotten repairs under warranty even with root.
there is no downside to rooting. you dont lose anything, all you do is gain functions. i waited 3 months before rooting, and once i did i'm gald i did and have no regrets.
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no, i would not recommend a N1 for anyone, anymore. here's why:
3G. the phone drops 3g signals constantly, without warning, causing any/all network traffic to halt. youtube, phone calls, pandora, voicemail, calendars, sync, all of that fails when the 3g signal dies.
now, for clarification, when 3g drops, the phone is sitting on a shelf/table, with four bars. four. 4. excellent signal, no UFO's flying over head, nothing. it completely stops making traffic, and forces you to restart the radio (goto airplane, then exit airplane mode) before packets start moving again.
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I guess you should take this to your cellular provider. Nexus is the only phone I had until now that allowed me full-time WiFi tethering on an hour long way in 100mph train, while some of the area being covered with HSDPA, and in some spots dropping all the way down to GPRS, not even EDGE. And it's capable of initiating and keeping HSDPA with 0 bars showing. I was constantly in remote control of 2 computers, email, communicator, etc.
So... anymore input/advice?
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So... anymore input/advice?
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i would advise get the phone then wait a while before rooting, see if you really need it or if you are perfectly content with what it already lets you do, if you want more control over the phone after a month or two then root it, no downside except warranty voided.
I do prefer control. I'm coming from WinMo which I changed the look dailey and hope to do that soon with Android.
you can do all of that without rooting, android is much more loose than winmo ever will be, without even rooting.
advice? get the phone, use for a week to make sure nothing is faulty, root and play
like someone said above, you do not have to root to customize/control... it just gives you more options and things to play with/try out.
I love having 2.2 but I miss the sense ui
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(maybe) get an android phone ... but NOT the N1 (with all its hardware/software issues).
And if you plan to use your phone for business ... forget android.
I've been stuck in the limbo that is WM for what feels like way too long. I was comfortable with it; I knew it. But recently I started a love affair with Android on my TP2 thanks to HaRET and my unending curiosity. So I put an listing up on craigslist asking if anyone had an Android device they wanted to sell at a reasonable price. Within minutes, I had an e-mail from someone almost a hundred miles away saying he had a Droid he would sell for $200.. Seems like a good deal as most of the Droids on e-bay are still >$300. Unfortunately, he wants to do this deal the day after tomorrow, and has committed to driving most of the way to my city to do it.
So I come to this wonderful community that I have lurked in for quite a while in the hopes that you can give me the heads up. What do I need to know, and what do I need to look for?
Naturally, the first thing I am going to do is call the big V and confirm that the ESN is clean. But what about the phone itself? Is there anything I need to look out for? Any known issues? I read something about the back of the screen getting scratched from the sliding mechanism in another thread. Is that just the plastic that gets scratched up, or can the LCD itself get damaged?
I have also read a lot about this "locked bootloader." I think I understand this as not being able to install custom roms, but still allowing you to root. I was under the impression that rooting your device basically took care of that, so now I understand that I was wrong, and will further research what rooting is on my own. But I also see that some people have custom roms available here on XDA and that others are running Froyo on their Droids. Its all very confusing, and under normal circumstances, I would take a few days to read, research, and teach myself. But at the moment, I feel a little under the gun, as this deal won't last forever.
Anything you guys or gals can tell me would probably be more helpful than you think. I feel like I'm trying to make the switch from XP to Ubuntu.. (heh) Any and all posts will be read. Thanks.
The Droid doesn't have a locked bootloader and can be rooted easily. I bought one just like you're thinking of, I don't even have VZW service.
I put Froyo on it and I like it even though I haven't rooted yet.
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I've been stuck in the limbo that is WM for what feels like way too long. I was comfortable with it; I knew it. But recently I started a love affair with Android on my TP2 thanks to HaRET and my unending curiosity. So I put an listing up on craigslist asking if anyone had an Android device they wanted to sell at a reasonable price. Within minutes, I had an e-mail from someone almost a hundred miles away saying he had a Droid he would sell for $200.. Seems like a good deal as most of the Droids on e-bay are still >$300. Unfortunately, he wants to do this deal the day after tomorrow, and has committed to driving most of the way to my city to do it.
So I come to this wonderful community that I have lurked in for quite a while in the hopes that you can give me the heads up. What do I need to know, and what do I need to look for?
Naturally, the first thing I am going to do is call the big V and confirm that the ESN is clean. But what about the phone itself? Is there anything I need to look out for? Any known issues? I read something about the back of the screen getting scratched from the sliding mechanism in another thread. Is that just the plastic that gets scratched up, or can the LCD itself get damaged?
I have also read a lot about this "locked bootloader." I think I understand this as not being able to install custom roms, but still allowing you to root. I was under the impression that rooting your device basically took care of that, so now I understand that I was wrong, and will further research what rooting is on my own. But I also see that some people have custom roms available here on XDA and that others are running Froyo on their Droids. Its all very confusing, and under normal circumstances, I would take a few days to read, research, and teach myself. But at the moment, I feel a little under the gun, as this deal won't last forever.
Anything you guys or gals can tell me would probably be more helpful than you think. I feel like I'm trying to make the switch from XP to Ubuntu.. (heh) Any and all posts will be read. Thanks.
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The back of the screen has a little layer of plastic to keep from scratching some of the plastic. It tears pretty easily, but it doesnt matter as it will not actually damage the LCDs/LEDs, just scratch the plastic back up a little bit.
The Droid does not have a Locked BootLoader, only the Milestone does. Some people do know how to get around this though.
Rooting a Droid is actually quite simple. All you need (if you are a n00b, like me and you) is to download the DroidRootKit from the web which does the most complicated work for you, while allowing you to do some of the simpler stuff.
When you Root, you are brought back to Android 2.0.1 and you cannot download apps, so you might want to download ROM Manager (Premium or Regular) and back it up for downloading Eclair and Froyo ROMs later.
If you do not want to do that, then you should download a ROM (ie, UltimateDroid) place it on your SD card after Rooting, and install that through SPRecovery or ClockWorkMod Recovery.
People who are running Froyo are either rooted and downloaded a custom ROM, or forced the update through the download at the Verizon site.
The first thing you do when you meet that guy is ask if it is Rooted or ever has been.
Then you ask him if it has ever had water damage or any problems with the LCD screen.
If he says yes to the first question, good.
If he says yes to the second or third question (water damages and/or LCD problems) then DO NOT BUY IT.
(results may vary)
One lesson this OTA fiasco has taught me, is that as careful as we are, there is no way to put our phone back to the way they were when we bought them once we start flashing:
The only people that I've seen reporting success on the OTA update are the ones who never flashed. Thanks to people like designgears, workarounds have been provided, but the fact remains: once you flash, there's no going back (for now). Which brings me to my concern: if the OTA is failing because of this currently unidentified difference, then AT&T, Samsung, etc. can certainly tell whether or not you've screwed with your phone if you send it in for repair, even if you flash back to stock. And they could claim this voids the warranty. It seems like it would be worthwhile for us to understand why the patch is failing and remove this problem in future 3rdparty ROMS, just in case the return/repair dept. starts looking for this inconsistency.
It's not really something to be concerned over.
I really doubt Samsung is going to waste time checking the phones that get sent in to them. I sent Microsoft a melted Xbox 360, and they replaced it for free under the warranty.
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It's not really something to be concerned over.
I really doubt Samsung is going to waste time checking the phones that get sent in to them. I sent Microsoft a melted Xbox 360, and they replaced it for free under the warranty.
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I agree. And to just double confirm this- I have actually spoke to a couple techs at Samsung who do the RMA stuff, and it does not void our warranty to flash THEIR OFFICIAL firmwares. All they do anyway when they get the device is immediately flash back to stock firmware themselves. They dont have time to "investigate" each RMA. The techs dont get paid enough and the turn around time woudl be a LOT long if this was the case.
It's a breach when we start flashing cooked stuff on there, but as long as the problem remains with factory based ROM there isn't a problem. It's only void if say you jack it up and cant get back to a "factory load" to verify the problem is actually hardware based.
Same thing with HTC devices too so just FYI. Oh and AT&T & Tmobile reps will also confirm this too. Your best bet though when calling in warranty is to NOT SAY you were dorking with your phone and messing with Cooked ROMS.
[Tutorial][Bell Atrix]What need to be done before Warranty Service?
It applies all the Bell Atrix, doesn’t matter you have Orange FR 2.1.1 or UK 2.2.3 on the phone or whatever
Simple Version:
Make sure you have CWM Recovery on it(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1019143)
Download the stock system.img (http://www.multiupload.com/T6L5RS2WH1), if you have the backup by nandroid, you can skip this step
Enter CWM Recovery to restore system.img only, then do Wipe out Data&Cache, or Force Close will be with you!
Install GingerBreak to root your phone, you can download from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1044765
Install CMW Recovery again, but this time, choose CHARGE MODE in order to uninstall the custom recovery
Use GingerBreak to un-root the phone
Do a factory again, then you are ready to throw this phone to any Bell Retail Store for repair
Just remind that Bell will take 4~6weeks to get your phone fixed, if you need a loaner phone, it’s $25+tax, ask before borrow since some store doesn’t even have smartphone to lend…
Full Detail Version coming soon...
Thanks, good tut to have.
Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
With glad root and webtop mod on stock firmware would it be ok to just return the stock web top files and unrooted for warranty?
Why wouldn't you just a sbfflash...?
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Why wouldn't you just a sbfflash...?
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Because there is no Bell SBF available (to date)
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Because there is no Bell SBF available (to date)
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Yes, but in your tutorial you're just removing root access and custom recovery. You're not changing the firmware from the phone back to 0.3.7 (Bell firmware) because there isn't a Bell SBF to flash (you're right about that). If one was already running 2.1.1 or 2.2.3 with root access, they could simply reflash their respective SBF's and it would produce the same results as your tutorial. Maybe I'm missing something from your guide, but as far as I understand, once you've flashed a different SBF, there is no way of getting back to official Bell. Your guide seems to be a roundabout way to get back to stock 2.1.1 or 2.2.3 for warranty purposes, while a simple reflash would produce the same results.
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Yes, but in your tutorial you're just removing root access and custom recovery. You're not changing the firmware from the phone back to 0.3.7 (Bell firmware) because there isn't a Bell SBF to flash (you're right about that). If one was already running 2.1.1 or 2.2.3 with root access, they could simply reflash their respective SBF's and it would produce the same results as your tutorial. Maybe I'm missing something from your guide, but as far as I understand, once you've flashed a different SBF, there is no way of getting back to official Bell. Your guide seems to be a roundabout way to get back to stock 2.1.1 or 2.2.3 for warranty purposes, while a simple reflash would produce the same results.
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absolutely true.
best chances for full repair is flash stock SBF 2.2.3 and then if you really wanna get technical, simply edit your prop file for cosmetic purposes.
NFHimself has this crazy way of flashing close to stock images but thats pretty much retarded as there's no point as it really doesnt mean any closer to stock than this crap and is fickle/easy to detect as it is if Motorola was looking for it.
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Yes, but in your tutorial you're just removing root access and custom recovery. You're not changing the firmware from the phone back to 0.3.7 (Bell firmware) because there isn't a Bell SBF to flash (you're right about that). If one was already running 2.1.1 or 2.2.3 with root access, they could simply reflash their respective SBF's and it would produce the same results as your tutorial. Maybe I'm missing something from your guide, but as far as I understand, once you've flashed a different SBF, there is no way of getting back to official Bell. Your guide seems to be a roundabout way to get back to stock 2.1.1 or 2.2.3 for warranty purposes, while a simple reflash would produce the same results.
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You are right, however stock system.img(from original bell firmware, not 2.1.1 or 2.2.3) already has the right prop file and bell bloatware, comparing 2.1.1 or 2.2.3, im too lazy to look for bloatware and changing by root. this seems the easiest way for me.
other than the radio version, i dont think motorola could find out this is flashed Atrix but anyway, I am still waiting for my atrix back
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With glad root and webtop mod on stock firmware would it be ok to just return the stock web top files and unrooted for warranty?
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better do a factory reset and unroot
I work for bell. and all I have to say about this thread is that it should be closed and deleted. I actually thought these kind of guides were frowned upon...
If the phone was working 100% before you starting screwing with it, we shouldn't have to honor your warranty. Thats why ROOTING VOIDS Warranty.
If you screw up your windows load, Best buy doesn't say, heres a new pc. They say, here's a bill for the techie. We work on commission in these stores, and i hate wasting my time with some moron who shouldnt have screwed with what he couldn't fix. /rant
Its annoying to deal with people who brick their phones, and then give bs excuses as to why its not working. I usually do my best to help people, but its better to tell us the truth and have us help, then lie through your teeth that its a problem with the device.
It costs me extra hours of work to deal with DOA phones, and it costs everyone including motorola tons of $$$ for stuff that is screwed up by the consumer.
Why can't the people who don't know what theyre doing, leave the dangerous stuff to the guys who know how to fix their own problems?
Edit: the exception to this is true hardware issues. But those don't seem to come up all too often with this phone, just battery life issues.
But thats the thing if you brick your device, this guide won't help as the phone is a brick.
As for hardware issues, this is the exact reason for this thread IMHO, something useful to me as my fingerprint reader is slightliy off physically which results in the device thinking that fast swipes are taking place when they are not. now I can use this when I am ready to take my device in without being harrassed about software.
With my N1 even with the bootloader unlocked they still took in the device if it was proven to be a hardware defect (again had a problem with my power button - just my luck i guess) Doubt bell would do the same.
binary110 said:
I work for bell. and all I have to say about this thread is that it should be closed and deleted. I actually thought these kind of guides were frowned upon...
If the phone was working 100% before you starting screwing with it, we shouldn't have to honor your warranty. Thats why ROOTING VOIDS Warranty.
If you screw up your windows load, Best buy doesn't say, heres a new pc. They say, here's a bill for the techie. We work on commission in these stores, and i hate wasting my time with some moron who shouldnt have screwed with what he couldn't fix. /rant
Its annoying to deal with people who brick their phones, and then give bs excuses as to why its not working. I usually do my best to help people, but its better to tell us the truth and have us help, then lie through your teeth that its a problem with the device.
It costs me extra hours of work to deal with DOA phones, and it costs everyone including motorola tons of $$$ for stuff that is screwed up by the consumer.
Why can't the people who don't know what theyre doing, leave the dangerous stuff to the guys who know how to fix their own problems?
Edit: the exception to this is true hardware issues. But those don't seem to come up all too often with this phone, just battery life issues.
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who would use this for anything other than a hardware issue? anyone who can follow this guide can also follow a SBF flash instruction to solve their software issues
binary110 said:
I work for bell. and all I have to say about this thread is that it should be closed and deleted. I actually thought these kind of guides were frowned upon...
If the phone was working 100% before you starting screwing with it, we shouldn't have to honor your warranty. Thats why ROOTING VOIDS Warranty.
If you screw up your windows load, Best buy doesn't say, heres a new pc. They say, here's a bill for the techie. We work on commission in these stores, and i hate wasting my time with some moron who shouldnt have screwed with what he couldn't fix. /rant
Its annoying to deal with people who brick their phones, and then give bs excuses as to why its not working. I usually do my best to help people, but its better to tell us the truth and have us help, then lie through your teeth that its a problem with the device.
It costs me extra hours of work to deal with DOA phones, and it costs everyone including motorola tons of $$$ for stuff that is screwed up by the consumer.
Why can't the people who don't know what theyre doing, leave the dangerous stuff to the guys who know how to fix their own problems?
Edit: the exception to this is true hardware issues. But those don't seem to come up all too often with this phone, just battery life issues.
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QFT, but......we are referring to hardware isssues here, not software.......and rooting has nothing to do with that.
Sent from my Blue Myst GladiAtrix on Bell using the XDA Premium App.
I agree, its totally cool for hardware issues, but i'm thinking about the guys who have the lower half of the touch screen not working because they screwed the software up. 9/10 issues with any smartphone is software related.
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I agree, its totally cool for hardware issues, but i'm thinking about the guys who have the lower half of the touch screen not working because they screwed the software up. 9/10 issues with any smartphone is software related.
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since no one seems to be able to replicate this issue (to my knowledge) that would imply that it IS hardware related and not software
Rediculous
binary110 Your completly in the dark if you think this phone or any other smartphone wont have defects and hardware malfunctions.
My Atrix has wicked bad screen response when plugged into any power source with stock charger or other... im not returning mine as this is a minor issue. Although my roomates cant hold gps, drops calls constantly, misses calls and msgs for lack of signal and has constant reboots since stock with only root to obtain webtop mod.
So according to your logic he dosent deserve to have his 500+ $ phone replaced cuz it will cost motorola money and your lazy ass some commision ??
THIS IS THE WRONG FORUM FOR YOU !
binary110 Your completly in the dark if you think this phone or any other smartphone wont have defects and hardware malfunctions.
My Atrix has wicked bad screen response when plugged into any power source with stock charger or other... im not returning mine as this is a minor issue. Although my roomates cant hold gps, drops calls constantly, misses calls and msgs for lack of signal and has constant reboots since stock with only root to obtain webtop mod.
So according to your logic he dosent deserve to have his 500+ $ phone replaced cuz it will cost motorola money and your lazy ass some commision ??
THIS IS THE WRONG FORUM FOR YOU !
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I never said the phone was not capable of being defective. I said that when someone brings it in for an issue that they caused themselves. The phones are more often screwed up by a customer, than they are actually defective.
90% of the charger issues are from using a charger different than the motorola one that came with the phone. Especially the ones with the screen response. I noted it on my atrix as well. I also have replaced a customers phone for this.
This IS a valid reason to replace the phone.
But this is also easily noticeable BEFORE you go through the process of rooting/modding the phone. and as such, you should take it up with the place your purchased it before modding it.
Its like buying a car, ripping the engine apart right away. only to find that it runs like crap after you've ripped it apart... You probably should have done a test drive before purchasing. Do you understand what i mean?
Furthermore, your friend has a legitimate issue, I'm talking about people who brick their phones and play stupid. As well, I can tell you're a part of the generation who feels they're entitled to everything under the sun from the carrier you deal with. Yet, no cable company fixes your damn television. And especially not if you screw it up yourself.
Its not apples to apples, in the sense that the cable company doesn't subsidize your tv. but even if you got a tv as a promotion through them, they'd send you to the manufacturer. Which is what i'd prefer to do with people who do stupid stuff and want it fixed.
Don't act like my time isnt worth money just because youre a needy consumer. What i'm saying is just man up, tell us you screwed it up, and we will do everything we can help.
For you to be trolling the way that you are, its obvious that this ISNT THE FORUM FOR YOU.
Thank you.
By the way, Watch your language on the forums.
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absolutely true.
best chances for full repair is flash stock SBF 2.2.3 and then if you really wanna get technical, simply edit your prop file for cosmetic purposes.
NFHimself has this crazy way of flashing close to stock images but thats pretty much retarded as there's no point as it really doesnt mean any closer to stock than this crap and is fickle/easy to detect as it is if Motorola was looking for it.
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Uhm, what? How did I get dragged into this PMS fest?
Ridiculous.
Be nice guys... We are all Canadian, we love peace, don't we?!
In my case, my touchscreen's digitalize is 100% broken, it's either hypersensitive or non-sensitive at all... It happened on Bell Stock rom but I was trying to flash sfb to see if it could be fixed...
Unfortunately, i got my repair back today and still the same issue, i asked the bell staff to try the touchscreen and she said the phone is not boot up properly...
Oh well, after 90s, I ask her to try again, she clicked "BACK" 10 times in order to get back, and 5 times to run Bell Self-serve
well, I really unsatisfied with the result and I had to left the phone there and waiting for another 2 weeks, AGAIN!!!
I have 3yr contract with Bell so it has to waste time and money to get my phone fixed cuz its carelessness and impatience are wasting my money and time... The $30 loaner phone sucks and cannot even been changed...
well, looks like a little away from the topic but I've just out of the store...
even according to the repair menu, the bell stock sbf has been applied on and change of the part which i know its not the digitalize, the phone is still unusable...
AT&T users are lucky since they have their own stock sbf to flash when they wanna a repair but poor Bell users they have to use those tutorials like mine to do repair, OR UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER AND I WONT ASK FOR WARRANTY
btw, maybe that's the reason why Apple is cool, they can get your iPhone replaced in maximum 60min not 60days even there is just a dust in screen
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Uhm, what? How did I get dragged into this PMS fest?
Ridiculous.
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see what you caused?
jk
I understand where binary was coming from but again this thread isn't for that reason. At the same time I bet we can all say we wish carriers like bell and rogers were completely full of staff like you that come with the line we will do whatever we can to help. most times reps come off as just going through the motions or looking for whatever reason to close the case.