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Question for developers 2.0>G1?

So the blogger over at 'Android and me' has speculated that older devices will not receive the 2.0 update.
This guy has done this before, he also said 1.6 was too big for the G1 OS partition and of course we all know this was wrong.
I want to know what the dev's think, once all the bull**** is striped and the 2.0 source code is at stock for the G1. How large will it be? And how much room will be left over for downloading apps?
Thank you for your time.

And how much room will be left over for downloading apps?
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Shouldnt be too much of an issue if you are running apsd.
They already have 2.0 running on G1's, i havent used it myself, but it is running, so I presume it fits.

vixsandlee said:
Shouldnt be too much of an issue if you are running apsd.
They already have 2.0 running on G1's, i havent used it myself, but it is running, so I presume it fits.
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I know, I know... I had 2.0 running for a time and it was great. I used apsd and linux-swap. What i want to know is conclusive evidence that the guy over at Android and me is full of ****.
He always speculates that the G1 will not get updates and is usually wrong. What i am wondering is how large the stock 2.0 for the G1 will be. The Dev's may have an idea.

the guy at androidand me is EXACTLY CORRECT.
What you are failing to see is the guys over there are writing for non-rooted phones. They have said in previous posts that this was a moot point for rooted phones and admitted they were already running the upgraded OS.

Both htc and t-mobile have officially stated that the dream is still getting the 2.0 upgrade. As somebody else said, the point is moot for rooted users because we can always port the newer code to our aging phones, but there's a hitch: the moment htc stops supporting the device, we're on our own.
I've yet to see somebody build the android code for the dream without help from the pre-configurations found in the aosp for dream, and now that the sapphire is officially the adp2, i smell the demise of the dream near.
The biggest enabler of the custom firmware movement was the fact that the dream was also the adp1, so there was a lot of interest on making building the platform easy. We just piggybacked on that.
Take one look at has been accomplished with the hero so far. I still remember the whole "let's make htc give us our hero kernel code" because all thought it would open the door for custom hero firmware. they couldnt have been more wrong. without htc's support, all they got was a fancy linux kernel that they had no idea what to do with, and also discovered how little the kernel had to do with android.
There's now a grand total of two aosp roms for the hero, and they're both so broken that they're really just novelties.
What I'm going at is that once htc drops the dream, people are going to realize knowing linux will only take you so far and you'll have to know android if you plan to get at least a botched android build working on the device.
So eventually, even being rooted will not be enough to ensure continued ability to run the best and latest, unless, ofcourse, we get real devs (again, I'm not claiming to be one myself) in here.
Oh, and.... a bigger android install wont mean less app space... learn to android...
The android system belongs in the 70 mb system partition and, on a factory, official build, doesnt spill into the /data partition where you install your apps. And if you do have root and a2sd, what do you care how big the system is, you can always make your ext bigger, so it should't be a worry for a rooted user.
Really... learn 2 android...

s15274n said:
the guy at androidand me is EXACTLY CORRECT.
What you are failing to see is the guys over there are writing for non-rooted phones. They have said in previous posts that this was a moot point for rooted phones and admitted they were already running the upgraded OS.
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You know that the guy at Android and Me has been wrong on this exact issue before right?
When 1.6 was still in the pipes he had a pie chart and everything explaining why it was physically impossible for 1.6 to fit on a G1 (non-rooted). Then 1.6 was pushed to everyone....
http://androidandme.com/2009/08/news/t-mobile-g1-owners-dont-expect-any-future-android-updates/
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He was using his best guess at the time after speaking with t-mo, htc and the lead developer from google. He also assumed we would get a VERSION of OS 1.6. Everything he stated then seemed logical... don't fault the guy for not predicting the future man.

What it all boils down to is this;
Whether a device will get an update or not has virtually NOTHING to do with the device specifications and/or storage space. There is LOTS of space available on the device, despite what some chicken little's speculate based on a moronic look at the "free space in /system" (which has VERY little meaning). What determines whether a device will get a particular update or not has everything to do with what the MANUFACTURER WANTS TO DO.
In other words, this is *all* in the hands of HTC. Even tmobile has hardly anything to do with this since tmobile themselves don't have the source for the proprietary binaries (which happens to be the stumbling block) -- although tmobile can say "not for ours" if they want, HTC can still build the binaries and/or system image for DREAM/ADP1. Fully in their hands and nobody else's.
Which leads to a couple of options for updates;
1) modify the current state of AOSP to remain compatible with existing HTC binaries,
2) reverse engineer HTC proprietary binaries so they're no longer needed.
I vote for #2. The replicant project seems to have this aim, but I don't know if they are still alive or if they died along with the open android alliance... http://trac.osuosl.org/trac/replicant/wiki

[Q] Will Froyo releases be leaked ?

Why are samsung leaking these to test, The FroYo FW must be into a good stage of development by now, I am unsure why we are 'beta testing' this and hoping for FroYo to be released working well straight off the bat,
Do you guys think we will get FroYo releases before it is officially released? I mean all these firmwares we are testing will be made into one that gets officially released.
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Of course we will get a leaked release.

dakine said:
Of course we will get a leaked release.
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Is there a better community of beta testers than xda-developers?
I'm very happy with all my Samsung mobiles (...,blade, i780, Omnia2, ...) I hope Samsung STEP IN into this community and help us help them
Samsung: let us test your Beta please (We do it for free!)

dan 6a said:
Why are samsung leaking these to test, The FroYo FW must be into a good stage of development by now, I am unsure why we are 'beta testing' this and hoping for FroYo to be released working well straight off the bat,
Do you guys think we will get FroYo releases before it is officially released? I mean all these firmwares we are testing will be made into one that gets officially released.
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Don't do that. You got the whole place jumping with excitement thinking that FroYo had been leaked. Your a cruel mean person.

Ancient_One said:
Don't do that. You got the whole place jumping with excitement thinking that FroYo had been leaked. Your a cruel mean person.
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Agreed you are mean

I nearly fell from chair.

IF they would release thier Froyo as beta to this forum - they could get beta feedback by reading about bugs posted by us AND does not have to deal with the consequences we know how to reflash - "normal" users dont.
So Win Win for both.

Yeah, you really should have titled the thread as a question. As worded, it makes folks think it's actually happened.

LOL at people's hopes being dashed.

there are already alpha versions out, if you check the Xda blogs

Samsung, your turn.
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FROYO
AllGamer said:
there are already alpha versions out, if you check the Xda blogs
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Already Alpha versions out :|? What!? Where?

Really? No one as excited about thus as I am?
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bratfink said:
Really? No one as excited about thus as I am?
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I fired up a google search and i found a lot of hits about a froyo alpha on a galaxy spica. Maybe some things got mixed up.

Yep, can't find anything about Froyo alphas or leaks for the Galaxy S, just for some of the older Galaxy phones.
I think we Android owners are a fairly impatient bunch.
In the time it's taken for the iPhone to go from 3.0 to 4.0, Android has had:
- 1.6 Donut
- 2.0 / 2.1 Eclair
- 2.2 Froyo
The phone manufacturers must have a heart attack every time a new version of Android is released and their handset owners immediately begin screaming for it...
Luckily the Galaxy S is the flagship of Samsung which they intend to sell 10 million of, so chances are we'll be seeing good support and the stream of beta firmwares shows they're not sitting still.
Froyo has been confirmed for August in Korea, and most likely September in international markets.
We've got to be patient and remember the Nexus One is still the ONLY Android phone that has received an official Froyo update as of yet. Even the Desire, EVO 4G, Droid, Incredible and Droid X are still on the waiting list.
From the sounds of it August-October will be the time the various handset manufacturers will be rolling out their Froyo updates.

AXIS of Reality said:
Yep, can't find anything about Froyo alphas or leaks for the Galaxy S, just for some of the older Galaxy phones.
I think we Android owners are a fairly impatient bunch.
In the time it's taken for the iPhone to go from 3.0 to 4.0, Android has had:
- 1.6 Donut
- 2.0 / 2.1 Eclair
- 2.2 Froyo
The phone manufacturers must have a heart attack every time a new version of Android is released and their handset owners immediately begin screaming for it...
Luckily the Galaxy S is the flagship of Samsung which they intend to sell 10 million of, so chances are we'll be seeing good support and the stream of beta firmwares shows they're not sitting still.
Froyo has been confirmed for August in Korea, and most likely September in international markets.
We've got to be patient and remember the Nexus One is still the ONLY Android phone that has received an official Froyo update as of yet. Even the Desire, EVO 4G, Droid, Incredible and Droid X are still on the waiting list.
From the sounds of it August-October will be the time the various handset manufacturers will be rolling out their Froyo updates.
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You're absolutely right. However i have a HTC Magic (very old android phone) and i'm running Froyo and it rocks =) hehehe, i know, i know, it's not official
Let's just hope Cyanogen gets one of these Galaxy S and starts porting CMmod to Galaxy S =)
I'm selling my HTC Magic right now to help buying this phone
Cheers,
Phk

AXIS of Reality said:
I think we Android owners are a fairly impatient bunch.
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Yep we sure are
The phone manufacturers must have a heart attack every time a new version of Android is released and their handset owners immediately begin screaming for it...
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Well they don't do themselves any favours by launching a new phone every couple of weeks and insisting on putting their own UI on top of Android.
Looking further afield: anyone think that Samsung will put Gingerbread on this baby?

flamingpitofhell said:
Yep we sure are
Well they don't do themselves any favours by launching a new phone every couple of weeks and insisting on putting their own UI on top of Android.
Looking further afield: anyone think that Samsung will put Gingerbread on this baby?
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Possibly but I think I have to go with the sceptic masses here that say samsung support isn't good in longterm and so I guess they won't do that. Unless ofc gingerbread is going to bring the massive UI update that vanilla android so desperately needs for usablity and samsung decides that touchwiy isnt necessary anymore.

Phk said:
Let's just hope Cyanogen gets one of these Galaxy S and starts porting CMmod to Galaxy S =)
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There are developers assigned to port CyanogenMod to the Vibrant (T-Mobile US version):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729364
Unfortunately, looking at Wes Garner's Twitter, he seems rather more keen on the Slide than the Vibrant:
I like the slide better
@wesgarner so does that mean your gonna keep developing for the slide?
@XJRodzx probably more for it than the vibrant
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So don't know how that's necessarily going to work out. The intention is there, though, anyway - hope it's still in progress!

I have doubts with Gingerbread...from what we know so far, it's supposed to have a (MUCH NEEDED!) UI overhaul based around the Gallery's sexy look.
If a phone is launched with a certain interface, chances are the manufacturer probably wouldn't be keen on releasing an update that changes everything because of the issue with it being different to what the buyer paid for. Basically, it changes the product, and the picture on the box is no longer what you've bought. It's all well and good with something like Eclair to Froyo since it's largely just performance improvements and some new features rather than an overhaul.
If anything, I think Samsung would be more likely to release a new version of the Galaxy S at Gingerbread's launch. Much like it's doubtful the HTC Desire / Evo 4G / Incredible will get Gingerbread updates. Instead, HTC will probably have new devices ready for the new interface.
The Nexus One is the only current device I believe has a chance of Gingerbread, mainly because it's the 'official' Google phone and has been promoted and sold as a developer phone.They'll be wanting some nice apps ready for Gingerbread when it launches which will obviously need to be in development before Gingerbread-equipped phones launch.

Nexus one and future versions of android

Gingerbread will most likely be brought to the nexus one but what about 3.0 and beyond? Do you think they will make a new device? Possibly the n2? What about tablets? Will they start a new android line just for tablets. The android phpne market is very spread out right now, phones like the Motorola charm will probobly never see froyo but phones like the Droid x and vibrant have processors that will not become outdated for several years to come. Are company's updating hardware too quickly?

This is the development forum. You want the q n a forum.
Sent from my Nexus One

mnv710 said:
Gingerbread will most likely be brought to the nexus one but what about 3.0 and beyond? Do you think they will make a new device? Possibly the n2? What about tablets? Will they start a new android line just for tablets. The android phpne market is very spread out right now, phones like the Motorola charm will probobly never see froyo but phones like the Droid x and vibrant have processors that will not become outdated for several years to come. Are company's updating hardware too quickly?
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*sigh*
There is a general section, you know...

mnv710 said:
Gingerbread will most likely be brought to the nexus one but what about 3.0 and beyond? Do you think they will make a new device? Possibly the n2? What about tablets? Will they start a new android line just for tablets. The android phpne market is very spread out right now, phones like the Motorola charm will probobly never see froyo but phones like the Droid x and vibrant have processors that will not become outdated for several years to come. Are company's updating hardware too quickly?
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The HTC magic, the 2nd ever android phone, got official Froyo. If a phone isn't getting it, its not because it's underpowered (with the exception of the G1).

B3astofthe3ast said:
The HTC magic, the 2nd ever android phone, got official Froyo. If a phone isn't getting it, its not because it's underpowered (with the exception of the G1).
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Huh? The magic is a G1 less the keyboard. Processor is the same. And I think a rooted G1 can have 2.2.
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HTCinToronto said:
Huh? The magic is a G1 less the keyboard. Processor is the same. And I think a rooted G1 can have 2.2.
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The G1 is memory starved. A rooted G1 can have froyo with the proper SPL.

We will get every future Android update.
Gingerbread, Honeycomb, IceCream, Jellybean, K..., L..., Mousse, Pie, Q..., ...

I don't think there needs to be a tablet developer platform designated. Screen resolution differences are something that should be simple enough d'or developers to figure out.
The entire point of a developer platform device is to develop the core OS updates on it, so I fully expect at least another year of official updates for the N1. Especially because we haven't actually seen any faster processor released into the market yet.
The secondary point of a designated developer platform would be to support a core of standard hardware under Android. Smarter OEMs should understand that if they want to have less work to port android to their devices, and to get updates on their devices more quickly, they should try to use hardware components either common to ADP or that have Linux support.
Sure, OEMs can deviate, but anything they include that isn't either compatible with ADP hardware, or already supported in Linux will have to be supported by the company making that handset. So it is up to the consumers to say if they want devices more like the Desire, or more like the X10. Laf!

The Nexus One is the official Google Development phone. Until that changes, we shouldn't have to worry about getting the latest versions first
It is one of the advantages to being a N1 owner.

xPatriicK said:
We will get every future Android update.
Gingerbread, Honeycomb, IceCream, Jellybean, K..., L..., Mousse, Pie, Q..., ...
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Deserts are my N1's favorite meal!

Android mean Google, then there is no point to buy any phone even if it's amazing, i am with Google devices till they close the company N1 TO N100 i am with Google i just want they put some color in this coming build i feel the stock ROM is black and white

Hello World ;)

My first smartphone was a Windows Mobile. I got my hands on an android phone very late. But it was actually fortunate as the information about how, do and don't was readily available then. After I started to use my android phone I quickly came to know about XDA because I was very much interested in trying custom ROM (stock based) than MIUI. But I was glad I bought this particular model (mido). It's been 4 years since then but I still have my first android phone up and running smoothly powered by LOS 18.1.
I am thankful for the hard work that all the developers put in bringing so much to masses for free.

mike_bravo said:
My first smartphone was a Windows Mobile. I got my hands on an android phone very late. But it was actually fortunate as the information about how, do and don't was readily available then. After I started to use my android phone I quickly came to know about XDA because I was very much interested in trying custom ROM (stock based) than MIUI. But I was glad I bought this particular model (mido). It's been 4 years since then but I still have my first android phone up and running smoothly powered by LOS 18.1.
I am thankful for the hard work that all the developers put in bringing so much to masses for free.
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Yeah those amazing WM times!, I still have my HTC Universal working!.
Glad to aquaintance an old timer!

Long time lurker, first time poster

I started the game rooting my G1. You know like the first Android phone and it had a physical keyboard. Promptly installing Cyanogen MOD and keeping the phone updated well past its prime. I have used ODIN and flashed boot.img, installed custom roms and then the g-suite afterward because it couldn't be included.
That being said the last phone I rooted was a Sony back in 2015.
I just got a Pixel 2 and was happy not rooting.
Had an iPhone 12 pro for a while but promptly lost it. I can't remember passwords for ****. What a waste.
Now I have a silly little Samsung Galaxy A01 (SM-S111DL). TracFone. Don't really have access to a computer. I found the rooting thread but it is for the ATT model. I am a little weary flashing the software provided in the thread because it says for that model only.
Just because I have rooted in the past doesn't mean I am up on the latest methods.
I will keep reading the forums and lurking wisely.
BTW I am 41 years old with a degree in Computer Science but never held a job past Technial Support for Nest Learning Thermostat.
Well I dabbled in consult work with developers looking to access the API for a credit card processing gateway. We worked with SmartBear and mainly ingenico card readers.
Currently unemployed.
Also, I dabble with Ubuntu Linux, which I feel is mainly Russian software, a bit of a conspiracy theorist.
Loved the Android SDK back in the day. I used to spin up one or two instances of a particular phone. Thought I would actually develop an app one day. Didn't quite pan out, kind of past my prime in the technology department.
Any way, print "Hello, World" and all that.

ZaphodBeetle said:
I started the game rooting my G1. You know like the first Android phone and it had a physical keyboard. Promptly installing Cyanogen MOD and keeping the phone updated well past its prime. I have used ODIN and flashed boot.img, installed custom roms and then the g-suite afterward because it couldn't be included.
That being said the last phone I rooted was a Sony back in 2015.
I just got a Pixel 2 and was happy not rooting.
Had an iPhone 12 pro for a while but promptly lost it. I can't remember passwords for ****. What a waste.
Now I have a silly little Samsung Galaxy A01 (SM-S111DL). TracFone. Don't really have access to a computer. I found the rooting thread but it is for the ATT model. I am a little weary flashing the software provided in the thread because it says for that model only.
Just because I have rooted in the past doesn't mean I am up on the latest methods.
I will keep reading the forums and lurking wisely.
BTW I am 41 years old with a degree in Computer Science but never held a job past Technial Support for Nest Learning Thermostat.
Well I dabbled in consult work with developers looking to access the API for a credit card processing gateway. We worked with SmartBear and mainly ingenico card readers.
Currently unemployed.
Also, I dabble with Ubuntu Linux, which I feel is mainly Russian software, a bit of a conspiracy theorist.
Loved the Android SDK back in the day. I used to spin up one or two instances of a particular phone. Thought I would actually develop an app one day. Didn't quite pan out, kind of past my prime in the technology department.
Any way, print "Hello, World" and all that.
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Glad to have an old timer!
Welcome officially