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Screen Size (width and height)

Hi, I wonder if you could help me.
I'm thinking of getting the Diamond 2 to replace my Touch Pro 1.
The only thing is I have really fat thumbs Well, at least 1 in 10 keys I type with the onscreen EzInput 2 (the same as Topaz (it's from Rhodium actually)) I miss and press the wrong letter.
Anyway, to the point.
I've worked out the screen size on my Touch Pro
71mm at 4:3 ratio = 57*42mm
and for the diamond 2
81mm at 16:9 ratio = 71*39mm
Is that right and the diamond 2 screen is narrower? (and so harder for me to press the right letter)
I've had to assume the ratios as I cannot find them anywere I looked.
Thanks for your help.
- Anthony

diamond 2 is not 16:9....it's 16:10 (according to pixels...it's 16:9,6 exactly).

So that makes it 69x42 mm does that seem right?

think, yes.

trinode said:
So that makes it 69x42 mm does that seem right?
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Looking at the pics, I think the screen width are indeed exactly the same, or very very close....
Assuming square pixels,
TD2: w=81.3mm*480/sqrt(800**2+480**2)=41.8mm, h=81.3mm*800/sqrt(800**2+480**2)=69.7mm
TD1: w=71.1mm*480/sqrt(640**2+480**2)=42.6mm, h=71.1mm*640/sqrt(640**2+480**2)=56.9mm
of course, pixels may be slightly rectangular, and screen diagonal may be slightly different, so I would say to take those with at least a 0.5mm margin of error....
So my guess would be w = 42 mm for TD1 and TD2, h = 57mm(TD1) or 70mm (TD2)
Maybe I could win a TD2 if I am correct?

jlp_svk said:
diamond 2 is not 16:9....it's 16:10 (according to pixels...it's 16:9,6 exactly).
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Might just be easier to call it 15:9 instead of 16:9.6

you're right.

Super amoled plus not using pentile?

Anybody got info if this is true?
Wondering what type of pixel arrangement these new display from sammy uses.
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muzzsharpe said:
Anybody got info if this is true?
Wondering what type of pixel arrangement these new display from sammy uses.
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Traditional RGB with 50% more subpixels ( 50% more compared to the current SAMOLED i guess ) you can google it.

RGBW
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android53 said:
RGBW
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I think just normal RGB

android53 said:
RGBW
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Pentile matrix has 2 subpixels
RGBW would be 4
50% more means 1,50
2*1,5 = 3 subpixels ==> conclusion: traditional RGB
because 2 * X = 4 (for RGBW)
x = 4/2 = 2,0 which would mean 100% more

PenTile is for high DPI only...
hiraj_panosian said:
Pentile matrix has 2 subpixels
RGBW would be 4
50% more means 1,50
2*1,5 = 3 subpixels ==> conclusion: traditional RGB
because 2 * X = 4 (for RGBW)
x = 4/2 = 2,0 which would mean 100% more
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Actually, both use two subpixels per pixel:
the PenTile OLED, which is:
RGBG
BGRG
And the PenTile RGBW LED, which is:
RGBW
BWRG
are both two subpixels per pixel, on average, meaning the subpixel rendering algorithm reconstructs the image using two subpixels per pixel in both systems. One way of thinking about the RGBW system is that it is a checker board of RGB triplets and W single subpixel "pixels". You may wish to visit the Nouvoyance (dot) com website to read up on it.
The 4.5" OLED display in the phone being discussed uses RGB Stripe architecture which, not using subpixel rendering, requires three subpixels per pixel to reconstruct the image. PenTile arrangements are only used on high resolution (relative to the normal viewing distance) displays, so that the SPR algorithm matches the angular spatial frequences of the human vision system's retinal pre-processing system. The 4.5" display is simply too large to use PenTile, as the spatial frequency, the distance between pixels, will be too large at the normal viewing distance for cell phones. So, Low DPI = RGB Stripe, High DPI = PenTile
This effect is also why the PenTile screen works at the normal viewing distance, but if you put you nose to the display, one sees the SPR and the pattern structure, and the "magic" disappears. But then, if you put your nose to an RGB Stripe system, you will see black vertical stripes (actually they are blue, but the color appears to be balanced by the nearby red and green). And of course, if you use a magnifyer on either type of panel, you will see separate red, green, and blue dots...

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Actually, both use two subpixels per pixel:
the PenTile OLED, which is:
RGBG
BGRG
And the PenTile RGBW LED, which is:
RGBW
BWRG
are both two subpixels per pixel, on average, meaning the subpixel rendering algorithm reconstructs the image using two subpixels per pixel in both systems. One way of thinking about the RGBW system is that it is a checker board of RGB triplets and W single subpixel "pixels". You may wish to visit the Nouvoyance (dot) com website to read up on it.
The 4.5" OLED display in the phone being discussed uses RGB Stripe architecture which, not using subpixel rendering, requires three subpixels per pixel to reconstruct the image. PenTile arrangements are only used on high resolution (relative to the normal viewing distance) displays, so that the SPR algorithm matches the angular spatial frequences of the human vision system's retinal pre-processing system. The 4.5" display is simply too large to use PenTile, as the spatial frequency, the distance between pixels, will be too large at the normal viewing distance for cell phones. So, Low DPI = RGB Stripe, High DPI = PenTile
This effect is also why the PenTile screen works at the normal viewing distance, but if you put you nose to the display, one sees the SPR and the pattern structure, and the "magic" disappears. But then, if you put your nose to an RGB Stripe system, you will see black vertical stripes (actually they are blue, but the color appears to be balanced by the nearby red and green). And of course, if you use a magnifyer on either type of panel, you will see separate red, green, and blue dots...
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So it's not just a fancy name then eh? Thanks for the well written post !

Thanks to those who replied especially DisplayGeek which from previous postings indicate she(CMIIW) is the definitive source regarding Pentile technology.
So its safe to assume that Super Amoled Plus uses 'traditional' RGB as it has an average subpixel count of 3 (50% more) instead of 2 for the Pentile technologies.
This might be the display technology that I personally might upgrade to. Don't get me wrong, I love the Pentile SAMOLED esp viewing videos on my I9000 but I DO see dots on displayed text compared to reading on SLCD.
BTW DisplayGeek, is SAMOLED+ from Nouvoyance as well?
Do the large RAM reserved (compared to other Android devices) to display driver of the I9000 due to Pentile rendering processor?
Thanks & best regards.

I doubt the ram issue is due to the screen as all the other pentile amoled phones don't have this problem
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Ah, yes the nexus one and earlier desires uses pentile amoled and they do not have the 'low available ram' issue. Thanks.
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Galaxy Note 2 VS GSIII VS Next Nexus

Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?

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Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
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Yes in my view.
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averymlewis said:
Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
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YES it is :good:

My friend got a s3 n I got a note. His s3 reminds me of my s2. Not interested in the s3 anymore.
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The next Nexus sounds like a winner to me. A pure Google experience without the nasty touchwiz, sense, motoblur, etc ui, gotta love it!

Att.Fan1982 said:
The next Nexus sounds like a winner to me. A pure Google experience without the nasty touchwiz, sense, motoblur, etc ui, gotta love it!
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I prefer the hardware of a flagship device, then AOSP from 3rd party dev's to get the best of both worlds.
Hence, an S3 with CM10 is better than a Gnex.
TO THE OP:
Don't take anyone's word for it. Wear some jeans and walk in to a mobile showroom.
Check out the size of it, hands-on. Slip it into your jean pocket. Walk around sit down. Run (no don't do that, you'll get caught).
If you can tolerate the slight heft, by all means go for it.
The extra screen estate and S PEN makes a world of a difference.
All-in-all, if you decide to get a NOTE, wait for the NOTE2 announcement, hands-on, release and the subsequent reviews by trustable sources (cnet's not too bad, even engadget makes good reviews). Patience is key !

In my opinion, the note 2 with jelly bean firmware, could be the best phone ever created...

The rumour going round at the moment is that the Note 2 will have a lower resolution screen than the original Note - 1280x720 vs 1280x800.
If this is true, it is a mistake in my opinion as it will remove one of the differentiators between the Note 2 and the S3, probably leaving only the larger screen and S-Pen.
It wouldn't necessarily stop me getting a Note 2, but I doubt that I would bother if I already had an S3.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
The rumour going round at the moment is that the Note 2 will have a lower resolution screen than the original Note - 1280x720 vs 1280x800.
If this is true, it is a mistake in my opinion as it will remove one of the differentiators between the Note 2 and the S3, probably leaving only the larger screen and S-Pen.
It wouldn't necessarily stop me getting a Note 2, but I doubt that I would bother if I already had an S3.
Regards,
Dave
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What are the main differences that this lower resolution could bring that would be easily noticeable? I'm reading a lot of comments about this, but I thought DPI setting was more important than resolution.
Could you explain us why less 80 pixels would be so terrible?
By the way, if Samsung will really do this, probably it's for a great reason! Or not?

Kangal said:
I prefer the hardware of a flagship device, then AOSP from 3rd party dev's to get the best of both worlds.
Hence, an S3 with CM10 is better than a Gnex.
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Hmmmmm, interesting point but the nexus is a flagship device
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viniciusrsouza said:
Could you explain us why less 80 pixels would be so terrible?
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I didn't say it would be terrible, just that if I had an S3, I doubt I would move to a Note 2 if it had exactly the same screen resolution.
However, from my perspective, I frequently connect to remote desktops using my Note, and those additional 80 pixels make quite a bit of difference in that scenario to what you can physically fit on the screen.
If the Note 2 does have a 720p screen, it is leaning more towards phone than tablet, and I rather like where the Note sits at present.
Regards,
Dave

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I didn't say it would be terrible, just that if I had an S3, I doubt I would move to a Note 2 if it had exactly the same screen resolution.
However, from my perspective, I frequently connect to remote desktops using my Note, and those additional 80 pixels make quite a bit of difference in that scenario to what you can physically fit on the screen.
If the Note 2 does have a 720p screen, it is leaning more towards phone than tablet, and I rather like where the Note sits at present.
Regards,
Dave
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Sorry Dave you've got it all wrong.
1280 x 720 isn't less pixels than the NOTE 1.
If its in RGB format, each pixel will have 4 subunits. Pentile has 3.
So you're effectively increasing the subpixel count by 30%
Sure you're "losing" 80 pixels on the width, but that doesn't really affect anything.
Videos would look better because of 16:9 size.
Browsing will have same content but "zoomed out" slightly.
That's pretty much it.
Comparing RGB to PenTile is a joke though, compare the SGS to SGS2's screen to understand.
Anyone with a small 4.8in PenTile screen going to a 5.5in RGB screen is effectively upgrading to much better display with a bigger size. I'll say it one last time, throwing pixels and resolutions at a phone is not going to make it easier/better to use. At one point it can become a moot point.

1280x800 has the advantage that when you use a video you can view full screen 16:9 video and the extra 80 pixels are for your status bar, so in a 1280x720 res screen you will need to expand the desktop to view 16:9 video. This is the main reason for 1280x800 and why I think its a better resolution ratio of 16:10.
This would be the same as if the next note would be 1920x1200 rather then 1920x1080 which I think would be nicer having a higher pixel density, if Samsung went to the full HD res though this would eat into performance and battery life. So going to full HD with the improved hardware over the current note performance would end up similar to what the current Note is but unless battery would be upped to 3500mah it would like reduce overall life.
I prefer the 16:10 screen ratio which in use is really 16:9 as the extra 80 pixels are your status bar, I would have liked the higher res even if pentile at 1920x1200, the density would be nice to have and as with the samsung screen used in the new Ipad that pixel density is quite possible. Not sure if they have managed it in Oled screens yet and if they can do it in RGB or pentile but I think it would have more then likely made me upgrade if this is the screen they want.
As is my contract has expired and I may upgrade from my current note but there isnt much in the specs Ive seen so far that is tempting me, if the screen is dropping to 1280x720 even if going always from pentile and being slightly larger. This isnt a good point to me in terms of wanting to upgrade to the note 2, most likely if this is the case they have got the extra .2 inches by keeping the width the same as in the current note and extending the height to go from 16:9 to 16:10. I like 16:9 aspect of the current note with those extra 80 pixels for the status bar taking them away will make the real ratio more like 16:8 if you keep the status bar on screen so I dont think this is a great move.
Touchwis and all the other samsung software on the s3 does nothing for me, I will end up with a cm10 version of paranoid android which I am currently more then happy with cm9 PA 0.5 atm. I tried the JB version but many things just dont work great on JB for the current note yet and we will need to wait on an official note release and source code of this to get the modders to final in cm10.

Kangal said:
Sorry Dave you've got it all wrong.
1280 x 720 isn't less pixels than the NOTE 1.
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Sorry - that is plain nonsense. Pixels are pixels regardless of whether you are using RGB stripes or Pentile.
Subpixels are a *completely* different issue, and given we've no reason to believe at this stage that the Note 2 will not have a Pentile screen, the point is largely moot.
Sure you're "losing" 80 pixels on the width, but that doesn't really affect anything.
Videos would look better because of 16:9 size.
Browsing will have same content but "zoomed out" slightly.
That's pretty much it.
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Eye of the beholder. I'd much rather have those 80pixels back because it makes a world of difference on an RDP session.
Comparing RGB to PenTile is a joke though, compare the SGS to SGS2's screen to understand.
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On small screens, as the resolution increases the disadvantages of Pentile become less and less apparent.
Anyone with a small 4.8in PenTile screen going to a 5.5in RGB screen is effectively upgrading to much better display with a bigger size. I'll say it one last time, throwing pixels and resolutions at a phone is not going to make it easier/better to use. At one point it can become a moot point.
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Again - where is the evidence that the Note 2 won't have a Pentile screen? I'd be prepare to bet that it does!
Regards,
Dave

Pentile vs rgb will double red and blue sub pixels, this will improve colour accuracy but doesnt improve resolution. 1280x800 pentile is still 1280x800 pixels rgb 1280x720 is lower resolution but more sub pixels will improve colours but going up to 5.5 your reducing the actual pixel density but increasing the overall colour density if that makes any sense.
Nearly all digital cameras use a pentile type sensor in cmos cameras with a bayer sensor, I am pretty sure all phone cameras will have such sensors. There arent many complaints in this and even though a true rgb sensor would give best results as resolution goes up you will barely notice this.
Going to 720p is still a bad idea because if your status bar is using 80 pixels then in wide mode your video only has 1280x640 of useable screen pixels. The status bar can be shrunk to use less but as long as its on screen you wont have a standard 16:9 viewable area on the screen. Pentile or not your still losing pixels and also screen ratio so its not a good thing how I see it.

martcerv said:
1280x800 has the advantage that when you use a video you can view full screen 16:9 video and the extra 80 pixels are for your status bar, so in a 1280x720 res screen you will need to expand the desktop to view 16:9 video. This is the main reason for 1280x800 and why I think its a better resolution ratio of 16:10.
This would be the same as if the next note would be 1920x1200 rather then 1920x1080 which I think would be nicer having a higher pixel density, if Samsung went to the full HD res though this would eat into performance and battery life. So going to full HD with the improved hardware over the current note performance would end up similar to what the current Note is but unless battery would be upped to 3500mah it would like reduce overall life.
I prefer the 16:10 screen ratio which in use is really 16:9 as the extra 80 pixels are your status bar, I would have liked the higher res even if pentile at 1920x1200, the density would be nice to have and as with the samsung screen used in the new Ipad that pixel density is quite possible. Not sure if they have managed it in Oled screens yet and if they can do it in RGB or pentile but I think it would have more then likely made me upgrade if this is the screen they want.
As is my contract has expired and I may upgrade from my current note but there isnt much in the specs Ive seen so far that is tempting me, if the screen is dropping to 1280x720 even if going always from pentile and being slightly larger. This isnt a good point to me in terms of wanting to upgrade to the note 2, most likely if this is the case they have got the extra .2 inches by keeping the width the same as in the current note and extending the height to go from 16:9 to 16:10. I like 16:9 aspect of the current note with those extra 80 pixels for the status bar taking them away will make the real ratio more like 16:8 if you keep the status bar on screen so I dont think this is a great move.
Touchwis and all the other samsung software on the s3 does nothing for me, I will end up with a cm10 version of paranoid android which I am currently more then happy with cm9 PA 0.5 atm. I tried the JB version but many things just dont work great on JB for the current note yet and we will need to wait on an official note release and source code of this to get the modders to final in cm10.
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When watching videos the Status Bar hides. And if you have on-screen buttons, they hide too.
When using the NOTE, you primarily use it on Portrait mode. So the extra 80 pixels don't help for the Status Bar or the On-screen buttons. Its pretty much "wasted" on the empty spaces in the Browser and Apps, making things look a tad more "zoomed in".
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foxmeister said:
we've no reason to believe at this stage that the Note 2 will not have a Pentile screen, the point is largely moot.
On small screens, as the resolution increases the disadvantages of Pentile become less and less apparent.
Again - where is the evidence that the Note 2 won't have a Pentile screen? I'd be prepare to bet that it does!
Regards,
Dave
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I'm just arguing about the rumours, never claimed they would hit retail.
Samsung putting a 5.5in 1280 x 720 PenTile screen is a mistake in my humble opinion. It would be downgrading. If it is 5.5in 1280 x 720 RGB, I'd say its an improvement.
Sure the pixel density suffers a little.
And you might lose the Home button to wake the device, or comfortably push the Back and Menu keys.
A better screen (little less blurry, yes I can see the PenTile again, can't unsee it)
But what you get is a more modern design.
Virtual keys that we can mod the shlt out of.
And a larger screen when doing stuff like watching videos and toggling the Status Bar/Buttons off.
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Sorry - that is plain nonsense. Pixels are pixels regardless of whether you are using RGB stripes or Pentile.
Subpixels are a *completely* different issue.
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I already addressed this in that comment which you haven't quoted.
You're right you are still losing 80 pixels.
....However the phone is held in portrait mode most of the time, so the 80pixel is lost from the horizontal axis.
It doesn't mean horizontally the screen is smaller, it means horizontally there's less detail.
Though in most Apps this is just loss of clarity (which is compensated by a much clearer RGB layout). Even in the browser, these pixels usually just fill up blank spaces.
THEREFORE, this is not a deal breaker.
And at least we fall unto a standard ratio and resolution. Otherwise I would completely agree with you.
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Eye of the beholder. I'd much rather have those 80pixels back because it makes a world of difference on an RDP session.
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I see. Others have also chimed in on this.
To be honest, I don't RDP or chroot anymore. It was handy at first, but its still feels like a beta test on each use. And its not a primary function of the NOTE, and I don't think the majority utilize this function. I know when I need those functions, and I just carry an Ultrabook.
Should be even easier in the future with Win8 hitting smaller form factors like tablets.
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martcerv said:
Pentile vs rgb will double red and blue sub pixels, this will improve colour accuracy but doesnt improve resolution. 1280x800 pentile is still 1280x800 pixels rgb 1280x720 is lower resolution but more sub pixels will improve colours but going up to 5.5 your reducing the actual pixel density but increasing the overall colour density if that makes any sense.
Nearly all digital cameras use a pentile type sensor in cmos cameras with a bayer sensor, I am pretty sure all phone cameras will have such sensors. There arent many complaints in this and even though a true rgb sensor would give best results as resolution goes up you will barely notice this.
Going to 720p is still a bad idea because if your status bar is using 80 pixels then in wide mode your video only has 1280x640 of useable screen pixels. The status bar can be shrunk to use less but as long as its on screen you wont have a standard 16:9 viewable area on the screen. Pentile or not your still losing pixels and also screen ratio so its not a good thing how I see it.
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The status bar DOESN'T consume 80 pixels. It uses 54 pixels (or 4.2% space).
The on-screen buttons consume 96 pixels (or 7.5% space).
They both utilize the space from the vertical plane, the 80 pixels, are lost from the horizontal plane.
On certain functions, like video playback, they Hide, and the content uses the whole screen.
On certain Apps, like Angry Birds, they Hide, and the content uses the whole screen.
On certain ROMS, like AOKP, they can be customized with any picture/logo, glow effect, order, function, or gesture. They can also be toggled ON/OFF at anytime or Pre-Set for any Apps (Paranoid).
There's just more opportunities to work with on-screen buttons, I think Google made the right call.

Kangal said:
I already addressed this in that comment which you haven't quoted.
You're right you are still losing 80 pixels.
....However the phone is held in portrait mode most of the time, so the 80pixel is lost from the horizontal axis.
It doesn't mean horizontally the screen is smaller, it means horizontally there's less detail.
Though in most Apps this is just loss of clarity (which is compensated by a much clearer RGB layout). Even in the browser, these pixels usually just fill up blank spaces.
THEREFORE, this is not a deal breaker.
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Losing 80 pixels from the screen and then losing further pixels due to the soft buttons makes a *huge* amount of difference if your primary usage mode is landscape, and definitely roams into deal breaker territory for me. That would mean that I would be better off with an SIII since at least it still has physical buttons.
Whilst I do use my Note as a phone, I don't use it often in portrait except when actually making phone calls. That would not be the case if it had been a 720p device, but the Note changed my usage due to the dimensions of the screen.
What I'd like to see from the Note 2 is "like the Note, but better" - 720p with soft buttons is in my opinion not like the Note, and not better. Your mileage may vary of course, and I appreciate that, but the Note 2 as described here is just a bigger SIII with an S-Pen - I would never have bought the original Note if it had just been a bigger SII with an S-Pen!
I could possibly see myself living with 720p if there were physical buttons, or 1280x800 with soft keys, but 720p with soft keys? No thanks!
Of course, next week we should know for certain exactly what the Note 2 will be.
Regards,
Dave

Well I would imagine the Note 2 would be like the S3 except with a larger screen and S-Pen. In that nature that's a good thing because the GSIII has a vast amount of motion features that I use on the daily bases. As for a matter of fact I had put cm10 on my GSIII and after using it for a while converted back to stock because the Touchwiz camera, motions, and other features just outdid stock Jellybean. So a Note2 with GS3 features sounds like a win not to mention it should be a JB build so we'll get the new notifications and Google Now. But I think its fair to say everyone pretty much eliminated the New Nexus device. Do you think think theres that much difference between a 4.8in screen Vs a 5.3/5.5?

averymlewis said:
Well I would imagine the Note 2 would be like the S3 except with a larger screen and S-Pen. In that nature that's a good thing because the GSIII has a vast amount of motion features that I use on the daily bases. As for a matter of fact I had put cm10 on my GSIII and after using it for a while converted back to stock because the Touchwiz camera, motions, and other features just outdid stock Jellybean. So a Note2 with GS3 features sounds like a win not to mention it should be a JB build so we'll get the new notifications and Google Now. But I think its fair to say everyone pretty much eliminated the New Nexus device. Do you think think theres that much difference between a 4.8in screen Vs a 5.3/5.5?
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As a quick rule of thumb just remember this:
1-On-screen buttons waste 0.3 inches.
2-A screen difference is notable for each 0.3inches.
So if you go from an iPhone to something like 3.9 inches (Desire); you're gonna notice the improvement.
To a 4.2 inch (Xperia Arc) device again, notice the improvement.
To a 4.5 inch (Epic Touch), then to a 4.8 inch (S3), then to a 5.1 inch (Streak), then to a 5.4 inch (Note 1/2).
....So Yeah, there is much difference between an S3 and NOTE.

I own the Note and the Nexus. I skipped getting the S3 to see what the Note 2 will bring to the table and I might hold off on the Note 2 to see how the next Nexus will look and to see if Asus or anyone else makes a good 7" tablet to counter the no rear camera, no sd slot and small storage on the Nexus 7.Before I pull the trigger I want to make sure I have the best combo of devices. I am looking to have a phone tablet combo for sure. Either a Note 2 and a Note 10.1 or a 7" Tablet with the next Nexus or S3:victory:

Display Question ?

Hi, i'm currently using Nexus 4 and want to know the display array of Nexus 6. it's important for me cause i care about the display performance. Super AMOLED is using Pentile array on sumsung devices, but i don't what's array technology on nexus 6. i like RGB more than Pentile.
so, can you guys check it for me ? i mean i want to know whether the display uses RGB array or Pentile array of nexus 6's display.
thx in advance.

Diamond PenTile matrix.

this was a big issue with lower resolutions, but with how over the top we've gotten in resolution (2k is WAY more than we need) there really isn't any reason to worry IMHO.

5.96" vs 5.7" vs 5.5" screens

2014, Nexus 6: 5.96 inch screen
2015, Nexus 6P: 5.7 inch screen
2016, Pixel XL: 5.5 inch screen
It seems like the large screen for the Pixel/Nexus (Nexel? Pixus? Pexus?) devices are trending downward. To me, this is a real shame, since I love the size of my nexus 6.
I was considering the 6P as an upgrade in the near future, but the lower screen size is one of the main reasons for me to avoid upgrading. Although the drop from 6 to 6p is less than 5%, and the drop to the Pixel XL is less than 10% of the screen size.
Is the drop in screen size between the 6 and 6P noticeable (does the bezel have a larger effect than the screen size). Anyone have experience with both devices? Is there a reason Google has been lowering the screen size (battery performance, ergonomics, heat?)

Likely the sizing will just be the screen with wider bezels. My friend got a Note 7 (exploding battery edition) and the specs for that is 5.5" vs the 5.96" of the Nexus 6 yet when you put them size by size they are virtually the same length, although the note 7 is slightly more narrow.

andy_n_ said:
2014, Nexus 6: 5.96 inch screen
2015, Nexus 6P: 5.7 inch screen
2016, Pixel XL: 5.5 inch screen
Is there a reason Google has been lowering the screen size (battery performance, ergonomics, heat?)
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I think the resolution is more important.
My N6 has 2560 x 1440 pixels.
Most apps support max. 1920 x 1080 pixels.
The more pixels the more battery drain.

I am a big fan of the 5.96 screen. My last phone was a great device but I can't imagine going back to a 5.7.

Outatime67 said:
I am a big fan of the 5.96 screen. My last phone was a great device but I can't imagine going back to a 5.7.
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There will be new phones with bezelless display.
So phones will be smaller.

My girlfriend has the LG g4 at 5.5 inches. My last phone was the SG2 at 4.5". My S2 compared to her device was absolutely minuscule. But I just bought an N6. Putting this next to her 5.5" display makes her phone appear small to me now! I think that the screen size of the N6 is perfect. I also like the dimensions of the device. I will be keeping this until there is another comparable 6" device around. I now think that 5.5" is the absolute smallest I would every buy again.

cameraddict said:
My girlfriend has the LG g4 at 5.5 inches. My last phone was the SG2 at 4.5". My S2 compared to her device was absolutely minuscule. But I just bought an N6. Putting this next to her 5.5" display makes her phone appear small to me now! I think that the screen size of the N6 is perfect. I also like the dimensions of the device. I will be keeping this until there is another comparable 6" device around. I now think that 5.5" is the absolute smallest I would every buy again.
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Yeah... that's what I was afraid of. I love the N6, but its starting to show its age. I really wish for a good 5.9"+ phone to upgrade to.

5.5 -6 is optimal IMO
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andy_n_ said:
Yeah... that's what I was afraid of. I love the N6, but its starting to show its age. I really wish for a good 5.9"+ phone to upgrade to.
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So far I am happy with the N6! Even being a 2 year old device. When I bought it, it already had the final N Preview installed. It's battery life is absolutely amazing! I regularly get 36-40 hours on battery with 6-7.5 hours of SOT ( I don't play games, and only watch the occasional video). It feels so damn fast as well! I think I will be okay with it for at least another couple of years as long as the final release of N doesn't blow the battery life and performance!

andy_n_ said:
Yeah... that's what I was afraid of. I love the N6, but its starting to show its age. I really wish for a good 5.9"+ phone to upgrade to.
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Same here, I would like some of the newer hardware features and bigger battery. I went from HTC One Max to the Nexus 6. I don't think I could ever go back to less than 6in screen. I'm hoping Sony has a come back some of there new devices look and spec out real nice. They seem to be the only ones still putting out 6+ in devices.

bryanfritz1 said:
.... and bigger battery.....
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I like that, hope the designers will like that too...

NLBeev said:
I think the resolution is more important.
My N6 has 2560 x 1440 pixels.
Most apps support max. 1920 x 1080 pixels.
The more pixels the more battery drain.
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Nope. Its the screen size -- number of square inches, that relates to power consumption. One pixel with a brightness of "1" will consume the same amount of power as TWO pixels each with a brightness of "0.5".

doitright said:
Nope. Its the screen size -- number of square inches, that relates to power consumption. One pixel with a brightness of "1" will consume the same amount of power as TWO pixels each with a brightness of "0.5".
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Don't understand. Imo 3686400 pixels use more power than 2073600 pixels.

5.7" or greater! Phablet ftw

NLBeev said:
Don't understand. Imo 3686400 pixels use more power than 2073600 pixels.
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This isn't the first time he's said something like this, but in essence he's saying that the screen's actual resolution is half what is stated on the box and all the marketing materials. I think he's saying this because the screen is in a pentile arrangement, with twice as many green pixels as blue or red, and those green pixels are apparently smaller than the blue or red.
Since the green pixels are smaller, they would have a brightness of 0.5, and would require two of them to equal the brightness of a single blue or red pixel. Thus his claim that screen size relates to power consumption.
In the resolution department I think his assumptions are flawed, but he may well be right about the brightness. All I know is that all this technical discussion is getting away from the OP's question about screen sizes. Any of the three screen sizes would work for me, but I would prefer a 6" display.

I have both the 6 and the 6P. There is quite a difference in the screens, even though the size difference is only about .2 inches. The 6 is proportionately wider though physically the 6P is taller. Though the 6P is newer and has a fingerprint sensor, the 6 is my daily driver. It isn't just the 5.96 screen but also the fit and feel of the phone in my hand. The larger screen area makes using the phone a pleasure and the tapered sides makes the phone feel actually smaller than the 6P.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
In the resolution department I think his assumptions are flawed, but he may well be right about the brightness.....
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I understand. Thx for the explanation.
Also about the screen size I agree with you.
Nevertheless the battery consumption of an amoled display is a critical point and is related to the number of pixels.

Should we expect a 6" Pixel phone in the near future, versus only 5.5?

mikeprius said:
Likely the sizing will just be the screen with wider bezels. My friend got a Note 7 (exploding battery edition) and the specs for that is 5.5" vs the 5.96" of the Nexus 6 yet when you put them size by size they are virtually the same length, although the note 7 is slightly more narrow.
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Popularity is where the $ is. Look at the majority of flagship phones. I really like my Nexus 6, and must admit that I wish more phones were as wide- but sales trends are a major consideration for the bottom line. Lenovo has an interesting project tango "Phab 2 Pro" on the way. At 6.4 inches with same resolution and special cameras / software for camera modules and sensors that work hand-in-hand for Tango and the augmented reality experiences it will deliver. Augmented Reality Development anyone?

ronaldheld said:
Should we expect a 6" Pixel phone in the near future, versus only 5.5?
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We van only expect phones with stupid names.
The size of the display will be discussed forever. Let's hope that in the future it stays possible to make phone connections with friends, customers, family.....etc
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And......rooting and the fun of flashing apps and Roms that can do more than the official os.