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http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8476.html
Same spec with Kaiser, but with VGA 640x480 , 262K colors , FLASH, XGA Video out.
That's enough for my next Kaiser replacement.
If it's indeed ever to be released !
More complete spec:
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_9502-2158.php
Looks OK, but for a device that's the same size or larger than the Universal, I'd want a screen you can close, to protect it when it's in a pocket.
That's practically UMPC size, by the look of it.
With a 2.8" screen? Sounds pretty close to the size of the Kaiser.
Bet 640x480 looks real sharp on that size screen.
I dont think this is that big, according to the article the dimension is:
116 x 60 x 17.8
While Kaiser:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_TyTN_II#Specification
112mm (L) x 59mm (W) x 19mm (T)
HTC Universal:
127 mm (L) x 81 mm (w) x 25 mm (T)
So, it is still SMALL device !
specs look identical to Kaiser to me, other than VGA screen
nothing earth-shattering there, imho
dld
As far as i know, WM6 doesn't support 256k colors...
wow... looks good.
any idea when it will be released?
Have any of these devices gone thru FCC approval yet? Don't think they have.
Nice device but no FM radio !
If the stats are the same, such as the processor, and it is higher res, wouldn't it just be like a kaiser, but slower?
Im not sure what the advantage would be of more pixels in the same amount of space would be. 2.8 screen is pretty small, 640x480 on that is going to be ultra fine.
Maybe this is a case of "Less is More", but I will hold my judgment till I can see it in action.
Wow, it looks darn good to me. VGA screens really do look sharp and ultra crisp. I would really want to know if it's a trans-reflective screen, that would push me towards it more.
Kaiser 112x59x19 190g
i-Mate 116x60x18 200g
Size wise, pretty close.
I was getting a little bit of envy until I read this.
...so you would have to be nuts to pay over $800 (xx50 anticipated price) to an overseas company or US importer, for a phone which comes from a company with tech support and return policies which are reported to be horrible, and questionalble quality products.
...I will NEVER buy another IMate product.
They are the worst company I have ever dealt with.
But don't take my word for it- Do a search in the PPC forum. They have horrid, incompetent support.
The only rom upgrades they ever put out, were basically stolen from the work other vendors had done (there were other vendors tags in the rom)
You have been warned.
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I handled two months back
Flying from Singapore to London, sat next to an engineer for the company. All I can say is the demo i held was a high quality steel make, no plastic etc, and the keyboard was sleek but smallish. Form factor similar to Kaizer but heavier.
The design / engineering are in the UK and he had two phones on him, this and another standard phone (no keyboard)
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I'd wonder what kind of battery hit that VGA screen would have as well.
It has the same CPU with Kaiser.
Pops_G said:
If the stats are the same, such as the processor, and it is higher res, wouldn't it just be like a kaiser, but slower?
Im not sure what the advantage would be of more pixels in the same amount of space would be. 2.8 screen is pretty small, 640x480 on that is going to be ultra fine.
Maybe this is a case of "Less is More", but I will hold my judgment till I can see it in action.
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I really don’t know which one to choose from this one or the pro2. As already an owner of the first Touch Diamond which I’m very pleased about I do miss the keyboard but the size of the phone is then again to big does anybody know how the touch keyboard will work. Also if anyone doesn’t mind to tell me what the big differences are between the Diamond2 and Pro2.
Well the Touch Pro 2 has a 3.6 inch screen the Diamond 2 has a 3.2 inch screen, the Touch Pro two has a 3.2 mega pixel camera the Diamond 2 has a 5 mega pixel camera, other than those things and the keyboard and thickness I think that is it.
Thanks! Also I didn’t see the differences in the software so does it mean that the 2 phones have the exact same functions?
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Thanks! Also I didn’t see the differences in the software so does it mean that the 2 phones have the exact same functions?
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Software wise I think they are exactly the same
If the software is exactly the same then its 60% to 40% for the Diamond2
I´ll decide for TP2!
Because keyboard and bigger screen, really don´t care about camera mpx
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Hello,
The only main software difference I found between them is the "HTC Straight talk" for the Touch Pro 2, allowing to make multi party conference calls. Taken from HTC site (product info):
"Straight Talk™
HTC’s Straight Talk makes communication more natural, intuitive and effective. It is a way to seamlessly transit from email to a single or multi-party calls as well as a flawless means to complete conference bridge calls. The innovation is completed by dual microphone and speakers that turn your mobile into a professional quality speakerphone by the simple action of placing your phone face down on the table."
Hi!
For what I have seen the Strait Talk is more than software, it also includes the dual speaker system with echo cancellation that the pro2 has. The software part of strait talk is included in the new phone canvas, and that is identical in both the diamond2 and the pro2.
Regards,
PK
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Hello,
The only main software difference I found between them is the "HTC Straight talk" for the Touch Pro 2, allowing to make multi party conference calls. Taken from HTC site (product info):
"Straight Talk™
HTC’s Straight Talk makes communication more natural, intuitive and effective. It is a way to seamlessly transit from email to a single or multi-party calls as well as a flawless means to complete conference bridge calls. The innovation is completed by dual microphone and speakers that turn your mobile into a professional quality speakerphone by the simple action of placing your phone face down on the table."
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@ swissman & paalkr
Exactly this well kind of a same function you have in the “older ones” touch diamond and pro. It’s a nice gadget though but which one of you is really going to use this function and what I mean with it is like in a conference with your business partners etc.
But like orb3000 it’s clear did he wants the TP2 because of the keyboard and bigger screen 0,4 inch bigger than the TD2.
People who want to buy the TD2 or TP2 please tell me your reasons why you go for the TD2 or TP2?
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People who want to buy the TD2 or TP2 please tell me your reasons why you go for the TD2 or TP2?
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I'll go for the TD2: less expensive, smaller thus more pocketable.
No physical keyboard is not a drawback for me (not enough typing to bother with a much thicker device, and I do not use qwerty keyboard anyway (not sure physical keyboard come in azerty variety), or sometime use non-western keyboard which only come as software keyboard)
Smaller screen is a drawback, but I'll accept it to have a smaller device, it is only a size reduction which is less problematic than lower resolution....The only thing I regret is that larger screen would have been possible in TD2 size, but ok, no phone is perfect ;-)
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I'll go for the TD2: less expensive, smaller thus more pocketable.
No physical keyboard is not a drawback for me (not enough typing to bother with a much thicker device, and I do not use qwerty keyboard anyway (not sure physical keyboard come in azerty variety), or sometime use non-western keyboard which only come as software keyboard)
Smaller screen is a drawback, but I'll accept it to have a smaller device, it is only a size reduction which is less problematic than lower resolution....The only thing I regret is that larger screen would have been possible in TD2 size, but ok, no phone is perfect ;-)
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You do have a point there size is almost everything, with the TD that I have never had any problem with it because it fits in my jean, suit etc perfect!
Thanks!
As of right now I'd go with the TD2. Never had a slide out keyboard so having one isn't all that important to me. Size is everything to me and until I can hold a TP2 I am worried that it will be too thick for my liking. Both screens are nice, the TP2's is obviously nicer but I could still live with the TD2 since it's an upgrade to the screen on the vogue or diamond. But in the end it will somewhat depend on if my carrier gets both and the timing of their release.
TP2 is better in terms of specs and look IMO, its colour is uniform throughout, not a bit of silver at the bottom and the rest is black like the Diamond 2. Price is very important also.
Here's a spec sheet comparing the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf
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Here's a spec sheet comparing the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf
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Thanks for the specs and the comparing!
Definitely TP2, i use to own the kaiser and moved over to Touch HD... and i must say i Damn miss the keyboard, plus extra screen size and resturn of tilt - way step up from Kaiser.....Can't wait
Doesn't the Pro still have TV-Out capability?
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Doesn't the Pro still have TV-Out capability?
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It does have the TV-Out.
I say the touch pro 2. This is because it has 2 mics, 2 speakers, a bigger screen, a full tilting qwerty keyboard, and looks way nicer, the only thing i think is better about the diamond 2 is the 5 megapixel camera, but as for the sze of the phone I hink its about as thin as a G1 which is pretty thin for a phone with a keybaord and wont seem that bulky
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I say the touch pro 2. This is because it has 2 mics, 2 speakers, a bigger screen, a full tilting qwerty keyboard, and looks way nicer, the only thing i think is better about the diamond 2 is the 5 megapixel camera, but as for the sze of the phone I hink its about as thin as a G1 which is pretty thin for a phone with a keybaord and wont seem that bulky
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The 2 speakers are nice though but are you really going to use 2 mics, I also hope that it isn’t that bulky because a friend wants to buy it. He always wants to compete with me the same as the TD1 and TP1 its going to start all over.
Tomorrow I'm going to buy a new smartphone and I'm attracted to buy HTC diamond because of the model and the specification.
Can you guys give me a suggestion if i should buy HTC diamond or HTC Diamond 2,with the pros and cons.and can any of you give me some link of how to modding,tweaking and flashing ROM for newbie,
thanks before
Regards,Dethinsanity
Diamond2 in comparison to 1 has a bigger screen and that's mainly the difference. If I were you I'd buy the Diamond2. I have D1 though but it's nonsense to upgrade it only because of the screen and some minor issues (don't remember if it doesn't have a memory card slot).
Another proposition is to buy the Touch HD. Similar price, bigger screen (meaning size not resolution), nicer (IMO), and you get a 3.5mm jack
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Diamond2 in comparison to 1 has a bigger screen and that's mainly the difference. If I were you I'd buy the Diamond2. I have D1 though but it's nonsense to upgrade it only because of the screen and some minor issues (don't remember if it doesn't have a memory card slot).
Another proposition is to buy the Touch HD. Similar price, bigger screen (meaning size not resolution), nicer (IMO), and you get a 3.5mm jack
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have the same opinion about TD2
but HD is tooo big for me....
how bout the ROM,tweaks and such things? do D2 have them?
thx for the suggestion
Of course, look here. There are less modifications though than for D1, but that's because the D2 already has the new Manila2 and all the stuff
The good news is also that D2 will get an free upgrade to WM6.5.
benko286, but don't you think that the large screen is worth it? HD is one of my favorite pda, mainly because of the design and the screen.
Kamill said:
Of course, look here. There are less modifications though than for D1, but that's because the D2 already has the new Manila2 and all the stuff
The good news is also that D2 will get an free upgrade to WM6.5.
benko286, but don't you think that the large screen is worth it? HD is one of my favorite pda, mainly because of the design and the screen.
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So Touch Diamond<Touch Diamond2< Touch HD?
but in my country the price difference between Touch Diamond 2 and Touch HD is kinda high.
Touch diamond = $400-$450
Touch Diamond 2= $500-$650
Touch HD = $750-$800
with that price in mind, which one do you suggest I should buy?
thanks
Just buy the one you can afford. I'm very sure that you won't be disappointed even with the Diamond1. All HTC products are basing on the same components, they differ only a little bit:
Diamond1:
- has a smaller screen in size and resolution (VGA which is passing away) - there's a problem with porting new Manila etc.
+ is smaller and more handy in comparison to D2
Diamond2:
+ bigger screen resolution (WVGA)
+ better camera (5MPx)
+ bigger battery
+ memory card slot
+ more RAM
Touch HD - same as D2 but:
+ larger screen
+ 3.5mm jack
Kamill said:
Just buy the one you can afford. I'm very sure that you won't be disappointed even with the Diamond1. All HTC products are basing on the same components, they differ only a little bit:
Diamond1:
- has a smaller screen in size and resolution (VGA which is passing away) - there's a problem with porting new Manila etc.
+ is smaller and more handy in comparison to D2
Diamond2:
+ bigger screen resolution (WVGA)
+ better camera (5MPx)
+ bigger battery
+ memory card slot
+ more RAM
Touch HD - same as D2 but:
+ larger screen
+ 3.5mm jack
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thanks for the info dude,it's very useful for me. About the ROM do you have suggestion for HTC touch D2 and Touch HD?
Kamill said:
Just buy the one you can afford. I'm very sure that you won't be disappointed even with the Diamond1. All HTC products are basing on the same components, they differ only a little bit:
Diamond1:
- has a smaller screen in size and resolution (VGA which is passing away) - there's a problem with porting new Manila etc.
+ is smaller and more handy in comparison to D2
Diamond2:
+ bigger screen resolution (WVGA)
+ better camera (5MPx)
+ bigger battery
+ memory card slot
+ more RAM
Touch HD - same as D2 but:
+ larger screen
+ 3.5mm jack
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yepp it has bigger battery but also bigger screen so i am not sure which can live longer without charging, it will be interesting test
@benko286, yeah but everything depends on how are you using the phone, what ROM/radio do you have - it would be hard to do a good test
@Dethinsanity, I don't know what roms are for D2 and HD, only D1 - sorry
I've heard the X1 has a dpi of 310 to 298. I want to know exactly, I searched but i couldn't find a app that tells the dpi. Also does a rom have an effect on the dpi being displayed ? For example Manilla 2.5? Thanks in advance
Would this work?
Multiply 800 x 480 = number of dots
measure the horizontal and vertical length of your X1 screen in inches
Multiply the horizontal length by the vertical length = area of X1 screen
Divide number of dots by area of X1 screen = DPI
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Would this work?
Multiply 800 x 480 = number of dots
measure the horizontal and vertical length of your X1 screen in inches
Multiply the horizontal length by the vertical length = area of X1 screen
Divide number of dots by area of X1 screen = DPI
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Thanks for the reply, I did 384,000 divided by 3.75(width 1.5inch x length 2.5) and got 102,400. That can't be right? What did you get maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Viper89 said:
Thanks for the reply, I did 384,000 divided by 3.75(width 1.5inch x length 2.5) and got 102,400. That can't be right? What did you get maybe I'm doing something wrong?
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I think you should do 480/1.5 or 800/2.5
or square root of 102400
azaberl said:
I think you should do 480/1.5 or 800/2.5
or square root of 102400
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Ya the Square root gave me a more realistic number. I got 320dpi. So does that mean we have a retina display according to Steve Jobs with his Iphone 4 with 326 dpi lol. "Retina display" Good one steve haha.
According to this Wikipedia article the display's pixel density is 311 PPI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density#Devices_sorted_by_size (sort the table by PPI). The difference between 311 and 326 for the iPhone is minimal, so I guess you could call it a 'Retina display', although personally I prefer the term 'awesome'.
powerfox said:
According to this Wikipedia article the display's pixel density is 311 PPI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density#Devices_sorted_by_size (sort the table by PPI). The difference between 311 and 326 for the iPhone is minimal, so I guess you could call it a 'Retina display', although personally I prefer the term 'awesome'.
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Hmm interesting 311, when I do it ring-bearer's way I still get 320 DPI. Is their a difference between DPI V.S PPI? Any way I agree with the term awesome.
Viper89 said:
Hmm interesting 311, when I do it ring-bearer's way I still get 320 DPI. Is their a difference between DPI V.S PPI? Any way I agree with the term awesome.
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DPI is used in printing where an image is made up of dots. Each dot is one of four colors (cyan, magenta, yellow, black). These dots are similar to subpixels. Because of differences and limitations with printing, most printers need to use many dots to represent a single pixel. PPI is used for displays and digital images. PPI measures whole pixels, whereas there could be ambiguity if DPI is used for a display because dot may refer to a subpixel. Most people and software confuse the terms so in common use they're fairly interchangeable. The most important thing to remember is that a pixel on a display will correspond to many dots in a printed image and so a 5" 300 PPI image on a computer will have more detail than a 5" 300 DPI print from a common inkjet printer.
If you calculate the PPI of the display with this method, you get 311. That method only relies on the diagonal size, which we know to be 3", whereas ring-bearer's method relies on the length and width. I'm guessing that you just measured the dimensions of the screen instead of calculating them (trigonometry isn't very fun), so the difference is probably just from rounding your measurements.
powerfox said:
DPI is used in printing where an image is made up of dots. Each dot is one of four colors (cyan, magenta, yellow, black). These dots are similar to subpixels. Because of differences and limitations with printing, most printers need to use many dots to represent a single pixel. PPI is used for displays and digital images. PPI measures whole pixels, whereas there could be ambiguity if DPI is used for a display because dot may refer to a subpixel. Most people and software confuse the terms so in common use they're fairly interchangeable. The most important thing to remember is that a pixel on a display will correspond to many dots in a printed image and so a 5" 300 PPI image on a computer will have more detail than a 5" 300 DPI print from a common inkjet printer.
If you calculate the PPI of the display with this method, you get 311. That method only relies on the diagonal size, which we know to be 3", whereas ring-bearer's method relies on the length and width. I'm guessing that you just measured the dimensions of the screen instead of calculating them (trigonometry isn't very fun), so the difference is probably just from rounding your measurements.
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K, thanks for explanation . Followed the link in blue and clicked "List of displays by pixel density" and then clicked Sony Ericsson and it has the X1 listed at 312PPI? Typo possibly .
Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
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Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
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Yes in my view.
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Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
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My friend got a s3 n I got a note. His s3 reminds me of my s2. Not interested in the s3 anymore.
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The next Nexus sounds like a winner to me. A pure Google experience without the nasty touchwiz, sense, motoblur, etc ui, gotta love it!
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The next Nexus sounds like a winner to me. A pure Google experience without the nasty touchwiz, sense, motoblur, etc ui, gotta love it!
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I prefer the hardware of a flagship device, then AOSP from 3rd party dev's to get the best of both worlds.
Hence, an S3 with CM10 is better than a Gnex.
TO THE OP:
Don't take anyone's word for it. Wear some jeans and walk in to a mobile showroom.
Check out the size of it, hands-on. Slip it into your jean pocket. Walk around sit down. Run (no don't do that, you'll get caught).
If you can tolerate the slight heft, by all means go for it.
The extra screen estate and S PEN makes a world of a difference.
All-in-all, if you decide to get a NOTE, wait for the NOTE2 announcement, hands-on, release and the subsequent reviews by trustable sources (cnet's not too bad, even engadget makes good reviews). Patience is key !
In my opinion, the note 2 with jelly bean firmware, could be the best phone ever created...
The rumour going round at the moment is that the Note 2 will have a lower resolution screen than the original Note - 1280x720 vs 1280x800.
If this is true, it is a mistake in my opinion as it will remove one of the differentiators between the Note 2 and the S3, probably leaving only the larger screen and S-Pen.
It wouldn't necessarily stop me getting a Note 2, but I doubt that I would bother if I already had an S3.
Regards,
Dave
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The rumour going round at the moment is that the Note 2 will have a lower resolution screen than the original Note - 1280x720 vs 1280x800.
If this is true, it is a mistake in my opinion as it will remove one of the differentiators between the Note 2 and the S3, probably leaving only the larger screen and S-Pen.
It wouldn't necessarily stop me getting a Note 2, but I doubt that I would bother if I already had an S3.
Regards,
Dave
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What are the main differences that this lower resolution could bring that would be easily noticeable? I'm reading a lot of comments about this, but I thought DPI setting was more important than resolution.
Could you explain us why less 80 pixels would be so terrible?
By the way, if Samsung will really do this, probably it's for a great reason! Or not?
Kangal said:
I prefer the hardware of a flagship device, then AOSP from 3rd party dev's to get the best of both worlds.
Hence, an S3 with CM10 is better than a Gnex.
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Could you explain us why less 80 pixels would be so terrible?
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I didn't say it would be terrible, just that if I had an S3, I doubt I would move to a Note 2 if it had exactly the same screen resolution.
However, from my perspective, I frequently connect to remote desktops using my Note, and those additional 80 pixels make quite a bit of difference in that scenario to what you can physically fit on the screen.
If the Note 2 does have a 720p screen, it is leaning more towards phone than tablet, and I rather like where the Note sits at present.
Regards,
Dave
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I didn't say it would be terrible, just that if I had an S3, I doubt I would move to a Note 2 if it had exactly the same screen resolution.
However, from my perspective, I frequently connect to remote desktops using my Note, and those additional 80 pixels make quite a bit of difference in that scenario to what you can physically fit on the screen.
If the Note 2 does have a 720p screen, it is leaning more towards phone than tablet, and I rather like where the Note sits at present.
Regards,
Dave
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Sorry Dave you've got it all wrong.
1280 x 720 isn't less pixels than the NOTE 1.
If its in RGB format, each pixel will have 4 subunits. Pentile has 3.
So you're effectively increasing the subpixel count by 30%
Sure you're "losing" 80 pixels on the width, but that doesn't really affect anything.
Videos would look better because of 16:9 size.
Browsing will have same content but "zoomed out" slightly.
That's pretty much it.
Comparing RGB to PenTile is a joke though, compare the SGS to SGS2's screen to understand.
Anyone with a small 4.8in PenTile screen going to a 5.5in RGB screen is effectively upgrading to much better display with a bigger size. I'll say it one last time, throwing pixels and resolutions at a phone is not going to make it easier/better to use. At one point it can become a moot point.
1280x800 has the advantage that when you use a video you can view full screen 16:9 video and the extra 80 pixels are for your status bar, so in a 1280x720 res screen you will need to expand the desktop to view 16:9 video. This is the main reason for 1280x800 and why I think its a better resolution ratio of 16:10.
This would be the same as if the next note would be 1920x1200 rather then 1920x1080 which I think would be nicer having a higher pixel density, if Samsung went to the full HD res though this would eat into performance and battery life. So going to full HD with the improved hardware over the current note performance would end up similar to what the current Note is but unless battery would be upped to 3500mah it would like reduce overall life.
I prefer the 16:10 screen ratio which in use is really 16:9 as the extra 80 pixels are your status bar, I would have liked the higher res even if pentile at 1920x1200, the density would be nice to have and as with the samsung screen used in the new Ipad that pixel density is quite possible. Not sure if they have managed it in Oled screens yet and if they can do it in RGB or pentile but I think it would have more then likely made me upgrade if this is the screen they want.
As is my contract has expired and I may upgrade from my current note but there isnt much in the specs Ive seen so far that is tempting me, if the screen is dropping to 1280x720 even if going always from pentile and being slightly larger. This isnt a good point to me in terms of wanting to upgrade to the note 2, most likely if this is the case they have got the extra .2 inches by keeping the width the same as in the current note and extending the height to go from 16:9 to 16:10. I like 16:9 aspect of the current note with those extra 80 pixels for the status bar taking them away will make the real ratio more like 16:8 if you keep the status bar on screen so I dont think this is a great move.
Touchwis and all the other samsung software on the s3 does nothing for me, I will end up with a cm10 version of paranoid android which I am currently more then happy with cm9 PA 0.5 atm. I tried the JB version but many things just dont work great on JB for the current note yet and we will need to wait on an official note release and source code of this to get the modders to final in cm10.
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Sorry Dave you've got it all wrong.
1280 x 720 isn't less pixels than the NOTE 1.
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Sorry - that is plain nonsense. Pixels are pixels regardless of whether you are using RGB stripes or Pentile.
Subpixels are a *completely* different issue, and given we've no reason to believe at this stage that the Note 2 will not have a Pentile screen, the point is largely moot.
Sure you're "losing" 80 pixels on the width, but that doesn't really affect anything.
Videos would look better because of 16:9 size.
Browsing will have same content but "zoomed out" slightly.
That's pretty much it.
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Eye of the beholder. I'd much rather have those 80pixels back because it makes a world of difference on an RDP session.
Comparing RGB to PenTile is a joke though, compare the SGS to SGS2's screen to understand.
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On small screens, as the resolution increases the disadvantages of Pentile become less and less apparent.
Anyone with a small 4.8in PenTile screen going to a 5.5in RGB screen is effectively upgrading to much better display with a bigger size. I'll say it one last time, throwing pixels and resolutions at a phone is not going to make it easier/better to use. At one point it can become a moot point.
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Again - where is the evidence that the Note 2 won't have a Pentile screen? I'd be prepare to bet that it does!
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Dave
Pentile vs rgb will double red and blue sub pixels, this will improve colour accuracy but doesnt improve resolution. 1280x800 pentile is still 1280x800 pixels rgb 1280x720 is lower resolution but more sub pixels will improve colours but going up to 5.5 your reducing the actual pixel density but increasing the overall colour density if that makes any sense.
Nearly all digital cameras use a pentile type sensor in cmos cameras with a bayer sensor, I am pretty sure all phone cameras will have such sensors. There arent many complaints in this and even though a true rgb sensor would give best results as resolution goes up you will barely notice this.
Going to 720p is still a bad idea because if your status bar is using 80 pixels then in wide mode your video only has 1280x640 of useable screen pixels. The status bar can be shrunk to use less but as long as its on screen you wont have a standard 16:9 viewable area on the screen. Pentile or not your still losing pixels and also screen ratio so its not a good thing how I see it.
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1280x800 has the advantage that when you use a video you can view full screen 16:9 video and the extra 80 pixels are for your status bar, so in a 1280x720 res screen you will need to expand the desktop to view 16:9 video. This is the main reason for 1280x800 and why I think its a better resolution ratio of 16:10.
This would be the same as if the next note would be 1920x1200 rather then 1920x1080 which I think would be nicer having a higher pixel density, if Samsung went to the full HD res though this would eat into performance and battery life. So going to full HD with the improved hardware over the current note performance would end up similar to what the current Note is but unless battery would be upped to 3500mah it would like reduce overall life.
I prefer the 16:10 screen ratio which in use is really 16:9 as the extra 80 pixels are your status bar, I would have liked the higher res even if pentile at 1920x1200, the density would be nice to have and as with the samsung screen used in the new Ipad that pixel density is quite possible. Not sure if they have managed it in Oled screens yet and if they can do it in RGB or pentile but I think it would have more then likely made me upgrade if this is the screen they want.
As is my contract has expired and I may upgrade from my current note but there isnt much in the specs Ive seen so far that is tempting me, if the screen is dropping to 1280x720 even if going always from pentile and being slightly larger. This isnt a good point to me in terms of wanting to upgrade to the note 2, most likely if this is the case they have got the extra .2 inches by keeping the width the same as in the current note and extending the height to go from 16:9 to 16:10. I like 16:9 aspect of the current note with those extra 80 pixels for the status bar taking them away will make the real ratio more like 16:8 if you keep the status bar on screen so I dont think this is a great move.
Touchwis and all the other samsung software on the s3 does nothing for me, I will end up with a cm10 version of paranoid android which I am currently more then happy with cm9 PA 0.5 atm. I tried the JB version but many things just dont work great on JB for the current note yet and we will need to wait on an official note release and source code of this to get the modders to final in cm10.
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When watching videos the Status Bar hides. And if you have on-screen buttons, they hide too.
When using the NOTE, you primarily use it on Portrait mode. So the extra 80 pixels don't help for the Status Bar or the On-screen buttons. Its pretty much "wasted" on the empty spaces in the Browser and Apps, making things look a tad more "zoomed in".
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foxmeister said:
we've no reason to believe at this stage that the Note 2 will not have a Pentile screen, the point is largely moot.
On small screens, as the resolution increases the disadvantages of Pentile become less and less apparent.
Again - where is the evidence that the Note 2 won't have a Pentile screen? I'd be prepare to bet that it does!
Regards,
Dave
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I'm just arguing about the rumours, never claimed they would hit retail.
Samsung putting a 5.5in 1280 x 720 PenTile screen is a mistake in my humble opinion. It would be downgrading. If it is 5.5in 1280 x 720 RGB, I'd say its an improvement.
Sure the pixel density suffers a little.
And you might lose the Home button to wake the device, or comfortably push the Back and Menu keys.
A better screen (little less blurry, yes I can see the PenTile again, can't unsee it)
But what you get is a more modern design.
Virtual keys that we can mod the shlt out of.
And a larger screen when doing stuff like watching videos and toggling the Status Bar/Buttons off.
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Sorry - that is plain nonsense. Pixels are pixels regardless of whether you are using RGB stripes or Pentile.
Subpixels are a *completely* different issue.
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I already addressed this in that comment which you haven't quoted.
You're right you are still losing 80 pixels.
....However the phone is held in portrait mode most of the time, so the 80pixel is lost from the horizontal axis.
It doesn't mean horizontally the screen is smaller, it means horizontally there's less detail.
Though in most Apps this is just loss of clarity (which is compensated by a much clearer RGB layout). Even in the browser, these pixels usually just fill up blank spaces.
THEREFORE, this is not a deal breaker.
And at least we fall unto a standard ratio and resolution. Otherwise I would completely agree with you.
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Eye of the beholder. I'd much rather have those 80pixels back because it makes a world of difference on an RDP session.
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I see. Others have also chimed in on this.
To be honest, I don't RDP or chroot anymore. It was handy at first, but its still feels like a beta test on each use. And its not a primary function of the NOTE, and I don't think the majority utilize this function. I know when I need those functions, and I just carry an Ultrabook.
Should be even easier in the future with Win8 hitting smaller form factors like tablets.
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martcerv said:
Pentile vs rgb will double red and blue sub pixels, this will improve colour accuracy but doesnt improve resolution. 1280x800 pentile is still 1280x800 pixels rgb 1280x720 is lower resolution but more sub pixels will improve colours but going up to 5.5 your reducing the actual pixel density but increasing the overall colour density if that makes any sense.
Nearly all digital cameras use a pentile type sensor in cmos cameras with a bayer sensor, I am pretty sure all phone cameras will have such sensors. There arent many complaints in this and even though a true rgb sensor would give best results as resolution goes up you will barely notice this.
Going to 720p is still a bad idea because if your status bar is using 80 pixels then in wide mode your video only has 1280x640 of useable screen pixels. The status bar can be shrunk to use less but as long as its on screen you wont have a standard 16:9 viewable area on the screen. Pentile or not your still losing pixels and also screen ratio so its not a good thing how I see it.
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The status bar DOESN'T consume 80 pixels. It uses 54 pixels (or 4.2% space).
The on-screen buttons consume 96 pixels (or 7.5% space).
They both utilize the space from the vertical plane, the 80 pixels, are lost from the horizontal plane.
On certain functions, like video playback, they Hide, and the content uses the whole screen.
On certain Apps, like Angry Birds, they Hide, and the content uses the whole screen.
On certain ROMS, like AOKP, they can be customized with any picture/logo, glow effect, order, function, or gesture. They can also be toggled ON/OFF at anytime or Pre-Set for any Apps (Paranoid).
There's just more opportunities to work with on-screen buttons, I think Google made the right call.
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I already addressed this in that comment which you haven't quoted.
You're right you are still losing 80 pixels.
....However the phone is held in portrait mode most of the time, so the 80pixel is lost from the horizontal axis.
It doesn't mean horizontally the screen is smaller, it means horizontally there's less detail.
Though in most Apps this is just loss of clarity (which is compensated by a much clearer RGB layout). Even in the browser, these pixels usually just fill up blank spaces.
THEREFORE, this is not a deal breaker.
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Losing 80 pixels from the screen and then losing further pixels due to the soft buttons makes a *huge* amount of difference if your primary usage mode is landscape, and definitely roams into deal breaker territory for me. That would mean that I would be better off with an SIII since at least it still has physical buttons.
Whilst I do use my Note as a phone, I don't use it often in portrait except when actually making phone calls. That would not be the case if it had been a 720p device, but the Note changed my usage due to the dimensions of the screen.
What I'd like to see from the Note 2 is "like the Note, but better" - 720p with soft buttons is in my opinion not like the Note, and not better. Your mileage may vary of course, and I appreciate that, but the Note 2 as described here is just a bigger SIII with an S-Pen - I would never have bought the original Note if it had just been a bigger SII with an S-Pen!
I could possibly see myself living with 720p if there were physical buttons, or 1280x800 with soft keys, but 720p with soft keys? No thanks!
Of course, next week we should know for certain exactly what the Note 2 will be.
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Dave
Well I would imagine the Note 2 would be like the S3 except with a larger screen and S-Pen. In that nature that's a good thing because the GSIII has a vast amount of motion features that I use on the daily bases. As for a matter of fact I had put cm10 on my GSIII and after using it for a while converted back to stock because the Touchwiz camera, motions, and other features just outdid stock Jellybean. So a Note2 with GS3 features sounds like a win not to mention it should be a JB build so we'll get the new notifications and Google Now. But I think its fair to say everyone pretty much eliminated the New Nexus device. Do you think think theres that much difference between a 4.8in screen Vs a 5.3/5.5?
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Well I would imagine the Note 2 would be like the S3 except with a larger screen and S-Pen. In that nature that's a good thing because the GSIII has a vast amount of motion features that I use on the daily bases. As for a matter of fact I had put cm10 on my GSIII and after using it for a while converted back to stock because the Touchwiz camera, motions, and other features just outdid stock Jellybean. So a Note2 with GS3 features sounds like a win not to mention it should be a JB build so we'll get the new notifications and Google Now. But I think its fair to say everyone pretty much eliminated the New Nexus device. Do you think think theres that much difference between a 4.8in screen Vs a 5.3/5.5?
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As a quick rule of thumb just remember this:
1-On-screen buttons waste 0.3 inches.
2-A screen difference is notable for each 0.3inches.
So if you go from an iPhone to something like 3.9 inches (Desire); you're gonna notice the improvement.
To a 4.2 inch (Xperia Arc) device again, notice the improvement.
To a 4.5 inch (Epic Touch), then to a 4.8 inch (S3), then to a 5.1 inch (Streak), then to a 5.4 inch (Note 1/2).
....So Yeah, there is much difference between an S3 and NOTE.
I own the Note and the Nexus. I skipped getting the S3 to see what the Note 2 will bring to the table and I might hold off on the Note 2 to see how the next Nexus will look and to see if Asus or anyone else makes a good 7" tablet to counter the no rear camera, no sd slot and small storage on the Nexus 7.Before I pull the trigger I want to make sure I have the best combo of devices. I am looking to have a phone tablet combo for sure. Either a Note 2 and a Note 10.1 or a 7" Tablet with the next Nexus or S3:victory: