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Ok I'm really frustrated with this.
On 2.1 eclair the youtube app only streams in HQ, not HD.
I updated to 2.2 and even installed the newer YT ported over from gingerbread and it STILL only streams in HQ, not HD.
WHY??? Why does google not want us to stream in HD? YT is like my favourite app yet you can't stream in HD even over WIFI. Even the iphone 4 can stream youtube in HD.
Second of all, what's with people confusing HD and HQ? Looking through posts online people seem to mistakenly say you can stream in HD when in reality they mean HQ. Do people not see the difference? It's night and day....
of course it can
just click the HD button and it will display in HD if the stream is has a higher resolution file to display
is there something I'm missing then?
I've tried many videos that have HD (on computer) on my phone and it's only HQ.
THe quality difference is noticeable.
Because it makes no sense streaming in hd on 800x480 screen unless you have set-up for hd tv output. And as far I know your galaxy sh*t ( ;-) ) can't do that. And if it could, the YT app would allow you to do that.
There is no difference between 480p and 720p on your phone. Go ahead and try it, download an yt video in both variants and see! Apparently the only difference would be in 1080p, where the audio quality would be greater, but practically, just a waste of battery and server time and... everything.
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And ye forgot, even then the videos should be optimized for that, the channel should be YouTube partner and ye, optimized for mobile. I think some videos shot in 720p with smartphones and directly uploaded to yt allow that.
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in the vibrant forum, they hacked a Froyo version of the new YouTube app, you can try that and see if you get better quality.
aside that, there are many other better 3rd party apps that can download & stream video from youtube site on HD
just type in the name of the video you want to watch and it goes straight in HD
like Tube-Mate for YouTube
i made that as my default youtube app
there is also another one that also always plays/downloads only HD versions like Tube-Mate for YouTube, but forgot the name of that other app
Dany0 said:
Because it makes no sense streaming in hd on 800x480 screen unless you have set-up for hd tv output. And as far I know your galaxy sh*t ( ;-) ) can't do that. And if it could, the YT app would allow you to do that.
There is no difference between 480p and 720p on your phone. Go ahead and try it, download an yt video in both variants and see! Apparently the only difference would be in 1080p, where the audio quality would be greater, but practically, just a waste of battery and server time and... everything.
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Umm no.
I'm not one for all the technical details on what the phone can or can't display but there is a CLEAR difference when it comes to streaming youtube. HD vids I load on my phone are CRISP. So-called HD on youtube when streamed on the SGS is not even near crisp, while on the iphone (my sister has one) it is crisp.
A VERY good example is this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdtejCR413c
using the youtube app on the phone, if you search up "lebron commercial" and stream it in "HQ" note the quality. Then use Tube Mate another app to download the video in 720p quality and watch it on your video player.
HUGE difference in quality. It's noticeable.
I'm sorry but I don't understand how people can not notice the quality difference. HQ and HD is a big difference. I've never streamed an HD youtube video and had it appear sharp on my phone. The words HQ appear at the top and the lower quality is definitely noticeable.
AllGamer said:
in the vibrant forum, they hacked a Froyo version of the new YouTube app, you can try that and see if you get better quality.
aside that, there are many other better 3rd party apps that can download & stream video from youtube site on HD
just type in the name of the video you want to watch and it goes straight in HD
like Tube-Mate for YouTube
i made that as my default youtube app
there is also another one that also always plays/downloads only HD versions like Tube-Mate for YouTube, but forgot the name of that other app
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hey just wondering, I used Tube-Mate but even when streaming that lebron commercial it only shows up as HQ, not HD.
If I download it with Tube-mate in 720p and watch it in video player, THEN it's in HD....
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Umm no.
I'm not one for all the technical details on what the phone can or can't display but there is a CLEAR difference when it comes to streaming youtube. HD vids I load on my phone are CRISP. So-called HD on youtube when streamed on the SGS is not even near crisp, while on the iphone (my sister has one) it is crisp.
A VERY good example is this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdtejCR413c
using the youtube app on the phone, if you search up "lebron commercial" and stream it in "HQ" note the quality. Then use Tube Mate another app to download the video in 720p quality and watch it on your video player.
HUGE difference in quality. It's noticeable.
I'm sorry but I don't understand how people can not notice the quality difference. HQ and HD is a big difference. I've never streamed an HD youtube video and had it appear sharp on my phone. The words HQ appear at the top and the lower quality is definitely noticeable.
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This is a function of the Youtube app itself and NOT something merely SGS related. Want to get mad about it...Write google. This occurs on all android phones running the Youtube app...
video quality difference is definitely there
the problem comes with the 3G/3.5G speeds
HD plays fine on WiFi, but not on 3.5G (HSPDA)
masterotaku said:
This is a function of the Youtube app itself and NOT something merely SGS related. Want to get mad about it...Write google. This occurs on all android phones running the Youtube app...
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I realize that. I did ask why wont google let us stream in HD.
AllGamer said:
video quality difference is definitely there
the problem comes with the 3G/3.5G speeds
HD plays fine on WiFi, but not on 3.5G (HSPDA)
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HD plays fine on WIFI for you?
seriously?
errr I can't possibly have a worse YT app then yours, mine is 2.0.26.
The button says HQ, not HD at the top of the video.
As mentioned, if I stream it's high quality, but not sharp.
Use Tube-Mate to download same vid in 720p, then watch in video player = HD quality and very very sharp.
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I realize that. I did ask why wont google let us stream in HD.
HD plays fine on WIFI for you?
seriously?
errr I can't possibly have a worse YT app then yours, mine is 2.0.26.
The button says HQ, not HD at the top of the video.
As mentioned, if I stream it's high quality, but not sharp.
Use Tube-Mate to download same vid in 720p, then watch in video player = HD quality and very very sharp.
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Well it's probably due to the carriers. If you were a carrier with a 3G network would you want to stream 480p or 720p video to phones with 480p resolutions??
It makes sense for the carriers, so it probably made sense to Google as well.
There are also QOS (Quality Of Service) issues to consider. It's safe to say that google and your carrier cannot reliably guarantee that you could have the bandwidth via 3g/3.5g to always and reliably be able to stream HD video. Users in this scenario would likely make the mistake of blaming the carrier, google and youtube for making a crap system and crap app, rather than making the reasoned leap that perhaps the network isn't always going to be up to the task. It's best to impose a limitation few would complain out, to guarantee more reliable service and a more reliable perception of that service for everyone.
In my experience the difference in quality between streamed and directly downloaded (and higher resolution) video is minimal, and usually dependent on the source material as well as how old the youtube video is..
But you can directly download them with apps like Tube Mate....so I'm unsure of the problem, other than it merely being a lack of patience. But if patience is the issue(due to the amount of time it takes), it'd likely have trouble streaming in a timely manner anyway.
yeah I'm aware of the amount of bandwidth required to stream HD over 3G but that's not my concern. My concern is over WIFI because I can't seem to stream in HD over WIFI. There are people here saying they can stream HD through WIFI (not sure if it's more confusion with HQ and HD) but there DEFINITELY is no option to stream in HD through wifi for my youtube app, which is the latest one (the eclaire 2.1 app wasn't able to either).
I can only stream in HQ, not HD. The quality diff is noticeable. That lebron james commercial I posted is a very good example. Just dl it with tube-mate in 720p and watch it. Compare the quality with streaming the same video in "HQ" on the youtube app...big difference. I don't get why we can't even stream in HD through WIFI?
I also don't get why some people are saying they CAN stream in HD....
Unless for some reason my youtube app is gimped (highly doubt it), these people are still mistaking HQ for HD...
and yes the whole point of youtube is to stream, so of course I would want to stream in HD. Why would I want to have to search up the video, then download it, then watch it. That's not how youtube is supposed to work....
again bandwidth/speed isn't an issue since I'm on WIFI
sorry just had to get this off my chest.
Just an update.
I found what appears to be the best app to stream HD youtube vids.
It's JetVD, available for free from the market.
It streams 720p PERFECTLY. That lebron commercial above is crystal clear.
If you choose mp4 high quality, you get the same quality as what the youtube app streams. You can also download if you want.
I love the YT interface and being able to view my account, my favourites, see related videos...etc.
I guess I'l have to use both and switch to JetVD to stream 720p.
Shame for some reason Google decided to gimp the YT app (even on WIFI).
+1 for JetVD
Been using it since Hero days, used to let me download while streaming another video, or download multiple videos at once, but the most recent updates are missing this useful ability.
Still, its free and works great for viewing HD and saving them to ur phone for offline use as well!
i have jetVD installed too
still can't decide which one is better
So took a closer look at YouTube functionality for the first time last night. I knew there wasn't a dedicated YouTube app (dammit Microsoft!) so I downloaded the plug-in and the Lazy YouTube app I think it is..
Well to my shock the video quality was about as good a gameboy color. So I looked for some HD videos. Same thing. Connected to my wi-fi at home and it looked significantly better. Not sure about HD but better.
Now is this really the current situation or did I miss some hidden options?? I would be embarassed to be out somewhere with friends and be like "Hey check out this funny video I saw the other day" and then load it up and it looks like it's converted to 8-bit video.
Yea this all we have at the moment. Video only looks good thru wifi. I'm right next to a tmobile tower at my work and can download content faster then wifi but youtube videos still come out low quality when using 3g data. Someone please come up with hack to let app play hd thru data connection!
Yeah seriously, the HD2 didn't seem to have this problem so why on the HD7?!?
I currently have CM7 installed, and the HDMI mirroring works great. But when I view photos, the resolution is not 1080p, it's the resolution of the screen. Is this possible to view photos at 1080p resolution over HDMI on CM7 or stock ROM?
This is the main problem of this STUPID hdmi out. It's only mirroring. that means the resolution of the screen is the ONLY resolution in OUTPUT.
then the 800x480 resolution is upscaled.
Viewwing photos or video we had the same problem: also video in full hd that this phone can play smoothly, BUT the hdmi out is ONLY 800x480...so...it's useless that this phone can decode full-hd video....
When watching video over HDMI is look better than 800x480?
When I record an HD video on my phone, the play it via HDMI out, it seems to be full HD. I was hoping there was a way to do that for photos... I guess not. Perhaps it can be a feature in CM7 or something.
just last sunday i was watching 1080P on friends TV. no problems!
Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
Dac0908 said:
Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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No. True for photos displayed on the phone, yes, but not for video. When playing video (at least with the stock player) it no longer does mirroring, it outputs a true hd-image.
Dac0908 said:
Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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you know you can see on 55" led tv if you are wathing 1080p or something ells!
TrymHansen said:
No. True for photos displayed on the phone, yes, but not for video. When playing video (at least with the stock player) it no longer does mirroring, it outputs a true hd-image.
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Well that's an improvement then. Good news, for some people.
HDMI was for me one of biggest advantages O2x had few months ago, and now I find it almost useless. Yes, it's there and it totally works, I bought the cable and HDMI coupler so I can extend it with another one - but never really use it. Photos were always too blurry to care (when displayed on TV, camera is decent), videos are not so practical even though they work better than I expected, some using stock player and some using MX Video Player.
I have PC connected to TV, Picasa, media server, and PS3 which work far better. Oh well. Still, phone makes a damned good remote controller
It's not an improvement. It's been that way since the phone was released.
Still its a pain in the ass that it won't work with photos.
Dac0908 said:
Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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your information is wrong, it outputs in full hd.
If it were outputting at just 800by400 on your hd tv you would bloody notice because it would be pixelated and difficult to make anything out if it had been stretched that far to fit a large tv..... .
OMG seriously, really?
My post was already debunked by TrymHansen. Try to write something useful, ok? Quoting it again is just counterproductive
Anyway, part about HD video is debunked, I was wrong and life goes on. But I still stand behind blurry low-res photo gallery and that is the topic here.
Dac0908 said:
OMG seriously, really?
My post was already debunked by TrymHansen. Try to write something useful, ok? Quoting it again is just counterproductive
Anyway, part about HD video is debunked, I was wrong and life goes on. But I still stand behind blurry low-res photo gallery and that is the topic here.
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I'm totally with you at this. I can not help the fact that most of the people are blind and can not recognise the quality and resolution of a picture or video.
The hdmi output for the photos are totally unusable, it displays the photos in low resolution and low color depth.
Hello all ,
I've got a Note for a week now and altough it's an amoled screen , i've tried every kind of video from avi to mkv ( 720 p quality ) and even reencoded files to mp4 or h264. But black aren't deep black and more dark grey , sometimes even pixelated ( blocks ). I even got the impression that this was also sometimes the case with some games ( for instance the opening sequence in Asphalt 6 HD ).
Is this normal with Samsung devices and is there a way to improve this.
Thanks
SEE?
Gnote has same specs as the galaxy s2!
just 200 more hz on CPU.
Should play all those files man!
if no worky on note byt works on SGS2 then u have somekinda fail version manufacture thing!
try getting it replaced if it does not play avi or any files!!
it really should work! try some file on sgs2 if its ok there then u phone deff a bad batch!
get it replaced! u have good Reasons to get it fixed?
helped?
He didn't say anything about the files not running, he mentioned a complaint about graphics performance due to non-AMOLED-style deep blacks.
Ffs...
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Hello ,
I probably didn't express myself completly correctly.
The Note can play al those video file and even mkv without any lag , the problem consist in the fact that the blacks in the video are not realy black but more greish , like if the contrast was not calibrated right.I even got blocks in the black part of the video.I don't have that problem with photos.
It's also like there is oversaturation , i have tried the stock video player , act video and mx player , all give me the same result.
BerreZ said:
Hello ,
I probably didn't express myself completly correctly.
The Note can play al those video file and even mkv without any lag , the problem consist in the fact that the blacks in the video are not realy black but more greish , like if the contrast was not calibrated right.I even got blocks in the black part of the video.I don't have that problem with photos.
It's also like there is oversaturation , i have tried the stock video player , act video and mx player , all give me the same result.
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It looks to me like its video quality issue. If you run video provided by samsung "lightness & slimmess", you can check whether black colour is properly displayed (skip to 0:55 for the best result).
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I have done what you said and the black of this video are completely black.
This is a 1080p hd video.Does that mean that only hd videos work propely, I hope not.
The video with the problems could be played flawless on my Htc Sensation or on my Asus Eee pad transformer both with a slower processor.
Sounds like the OP's video bitrates are too low, since he is describing black crush. Higher bitrate videos do not exhibit those problems.
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This is propably the reason , but what do you mean by "OP's" .
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OP = Original Poster.
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Niuseek said:
It looks to me like its video quality issue. If you run video provided by samsung "lightness & slimmess", you can check whether black colour is properly displayed (skip to 0:55 for the best result).
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Here endeth the lesson!
Mine does this too. the samsung video plays fine but most other blacks are purplish and blocky. This happened in the green lantern film downloaded from the market, the first part of it is very dark and was unwatchable. It happens to a lesser extent in 1080p trailers downloaded from the net. When I use a black screen for my lockscreen it is the same. Even the starry background during the orbiting planet part in quadrant benchmark is a blocky purple mess. It is not even constant. Occasionally it seems OK. I am going to send mine back.
seepage said:
Mine does this too. the samsung video plays fine but most other blacks are purplish and blocky. This happened in the green lantern film downloaded from the market, the first part of it is very dark and was unwatchable. It happens to a lesser extent in 1080p trailers downloaded from the net. When I use a black screen for my lockscreen it is the same. Even the starry background during the orbiting planet part in quadrant benchmark is a blocky purple mess. It is not even constant. Occasionally it seems OK. I am going to send mine back.
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If the Samsung video plays fine, and other videos play fine, like MKV's in Diceplayer then it must be the videos you are looking at.
Good luck finding a device that plays back crap videos in perfect quality.
If you do find a device that makes these videos look good, I would question the bit depth of that device.
What is the point in getting a device with a HD screen and watching videos in sd or HD with low bitrate? It's like trying to watch VHS videos on a LED.. yes it will be pixelated. I suggest watching higher quality videos. Either MKV or xH264 mp4 with larger file size and bitrates of at least over 3mbps.
I think this whole issue can be explained by the technology in place here.
Super AMOLED does not light up black pixels at all, so when slightly gray/dark gray colors appear in the black, they tend to stand out much more than they do on different screen technologies.
Solution: higher bitrate videos, and/or deal with it
i have been doing some testing and i know exactly what the op is talking about as I'm suffering the same issue. i have a galaxy s2 and the note side by side, with the same video and the s2 renders correctly but the note is blocky and not rendered right.
I'll post a side by side photo when i get home tonight, but there is definitely a problem.even using high bitrate videos. i tried to even the playing field eg set brightness to max, adjusting the colour to normal, warm or even cool but it does NOT render correctly. it almost looks like the old days of 16 bit vs 32 bit colour on a pc. side by side with my s2 and s1 it is very obvious.
YUP. Am observing this too.
The initial Galaxy S (first) had a pentile matrix screen too so it would be useful to compare a video exhibiting the blockiness on a Galaxy S side by side with the Note.
It definitely does seem like it is rendering at 16bit, sometimes even 8bit.
Also I have observed this in the general OS too i.e Icons, pictures etc...
Am note sure what to think...
I am wondering whether Sammy reduced the bit depth throughout the OS to keep the frame rate as high as possible due to the higher resolution of the screen...?
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ballfire said:
i have been doing some testing and i know exactly what the op is talking about as I'm suffering the same issue. i have a galaxy s2 and the note side by side, with the same video and the s2 renders correctly but the note is blocky and not rendered right.
I'll post a side by side photo when i get home tonight, but there is definitely a problem.even using high bitrate videos. i tried to even the playing field eg set brightness to max, adjusting the colour to normal, warm or even cool but it does NOT render correctly. it almost looks like the old days of 16 bit vs 32 bit colour on a pc. side by side with my s2 and s1 it is very obvious.
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Oh wait - you tested the Galaxy s1 as well which has a pentile matrix AMOLED and your test video rendered correctly???
yeah the s1 renders correctly. i tried do a screen capture of the video on my phone but it didn't seem that you can't do a screen capture of video running i tried the default video player, mobo player and mx player. none render correctly nor can do screen capture of the video still
I'm curious to know what he means by 'rendered correctly' on the S1. I think its more likely that the S1 resolution just isn't good enough to expose the weaknesses in the video encoding - the Note has nearly three times as many pixels as the S1 and the screen size is considerably larger so the 'faults' being described here are IMO the screen being good enough to expose weak video. Like someone mentioned earlier, it like watching an SD video in a lossy format on an SDTV and then an HDTV...
BerreZ said:
Hello all ,
I've got a Note for a week now and altough it's an amoled screen , i've tried every kind of video from avi to mkv ( 720 p quality ) and even reencoded files to mp4 or h264. But black aren't deep black and more dark grey , sometimes even pixelated ( blocks ). I even got the impression that this was also sometimes the case with some games ( for instance the opening sequence in Asphalt 6 HD ).
Is this normal with Samsung devices and is there a way to improve this.
Thanks
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You are describing video with "bad" gamma. It is not the screen or the device it is your source material.
The "blocks" you see are compression artifacts. Most video you will get that is compressed will have this effect. If the demo video doesn't show these artifacts then it can't be the device. That of course doesn't rule out a dodgy video player app included with the device. Maybe that is sub par and has crappy coding of the codecs and makes bad video worse?
The reason you see them better on the note is because OLED screens will show shadow detail very well. A few stages above pure black will show up. Videos these days are calibrated, made and tweaked to look good on an LCD as it is the dominant tech and that is what the video makers are looking at while they adjust their settings. This means that colors and black levels adjusted to look good on an LCD may look like crap on an OLED.
On LCDs the backlight haze will often wash out these shadow details and crush the blacks so you won't see these artifacts as much.
You problem is that your screen is TOO good!
There lies a fault with the video player. There should be a gamma adjustment to be able to pull these "grays" closer to black.
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I'm curious to know what he means by 'rendered correctly' on the S1. I think its more likely that the S1 resolution just isn't good enough to expose the weaknesses in the video encoding - the Note has nearly three times as many pixels as the S1 and the screen size is considerably larger so the 'faults' being described here are IMO the screen being good enough to expose weak video. Like someone mentioned earlier, it like watching an SD video in a lossy format on an SDTV and then an HDTV...
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what i mean is, i have the note, s2 and a s1.
lined up side by side playing the same video, the note's video in some parts is grainy, blocky, pixelated, the colors not correct compared to the s1, s2.
and this is with screen brightness set on max on all phones, display all set to standard, using the default samsung video player. but it makes not difference if you use moboplayer, mx player it is still bad.
like i said i'll post a picture when i get home later. i'm hoping it is a fixable with a software upgrade as i watch a lot of shows on my phone and so far i'm not impressed with what i'm seeing. even using 4gig 720p videos.
i've checked the video on my monitor and the video is perfect so it is just not getting rendered correctly on screen.
i hooked up the note using my s2 samsung mhl cable and in the lounge the video on the 55in 1080p tv is obviously inferior to the s2
Anyone else experience issues with Standard Video on applications such as YouTube TV or Amazon Video? BOLD support is useless, sent ticket in on this 2 weeks ago and then called and the girl was clueless.
Too bad seems like s software issue otherwise the phone is great but its getting returned, no point with this amazing screen to watch 480p video...oddly enough regular YouTube does support 1080p.
Yes. YoutubeTv is 480p on mine as well. I wonder why. Normal YouTube does 1080p so I don't see why tv couldn't.