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Hey everyone, I know that a lot of people are eagerly awaiting the release of the T-mobile HD2. However, as noted, the size of the US HD2 is different so many accessories do not fit. So here's a thread where we can list compatible cases/screen protectors etc.
As of now, I only know that case-mate is planning on a release of US sized "barely there" cases in a couple of weeks.
skylinepigeon said:
Hey everyone, I know that a lot of people are eagerly awaiting the release of the T-mobile HD2. However, as noted, the size of the US HD2 is different so many accessories do not fit. So here's a thread where we can list compatible cases/screen protectors etc.
As of now, I only know that case-mate is planning on a release of US sized "barely there" cases in a couple of weeks.
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1.5 mm does not matter allot
I got the Bodyguardz full body skin for my TMO US HD2, you notice the size diff. It doesnt fully reach top to bottom on the screen or back pieces. Also, I ordered the HD2 Dock w/batt charger on Amazon for 39.99, and the TMO HD2 does NOT fit. Friend bought the same one and his EU HD2 fits perfectly. I would suggest waiting for TMO specific accessories.
Does anyone know where the difference in size or shape is? Does that mean the TMO HD2 is bigger? Or just a different shape?
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I found the answer here:
http://pocketnow.com/thought/t-mobile-hd2-vs-htc-hd2-comparison
I purchased the pdair luxury case...
http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=26975
and it fits but not perfect. The bottom part of the case lifts up a little bit and does not reach the front buttons. Like it shows in the picture.
if anyone's interested, heres a website for hd2 accessories, its by the same company at nexusoneaccesories.com
http://www.thinkhd2.com/
Just a heads up to everyone, I just noticed that Zagg has there T-Mobile version of the Invisible Shield available in both screen and full body and that they have listed as maximum protection (I think it is just Full body) but I am going to order my shield tomorrow and hope to get it by the weekend.
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/htc-hd2-t-mobile-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
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Size DOES matter if you use a perfect-fit cover like Case Mate's Barely There. It says in their ad, "will not fit US spec Tmo HD2"
http://www.case-mate.com/HTC-HD2-Cases/Case-Mate-HTC-HD2-Barely-There-Cases.asp
I love this case but as per case mate they have no plans to make a US version for the phone
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http://www.case-mate.com/HTC-HD2-Cases/Case-Mate-HTC-HD2-Barely-There-Cases.asp
I love this case but as per case mate they have no plans to make a US version for the phone
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I think if they get enough phone calls from TMOUS HD2 owners, They may want to comply with the demand.......give them a call as I did. They close at 5PM Eastern Time
CALL CASE MATE at 1-866-689-3432 AND HELP BUILT DEMAND for a great product. Ask them how they can offer a cover for the iPad BEFORE is was released and not offer a cover for the best phone on the US market. I offered to boycott their iPod products but it didn't get me far.
Case Mate
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I think if they get enough phone calls from TMOUS HD2 owners, They may want to comply with the demand.......give them a call as I did. They close at 5PM Eastern Time
CALL CASE MATE at 1-866-689-3432 AND HELP BUILT DEMAND for a great product. Ask them how they can offer a cover for the iPad BEFORE is was released and not offer a cover for the best phone on the US market. I offered to boycott their iPod products but it didn't get me far.
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I tried contacted them; the first time they said they would have a case for the US HD2 out in 2 weeks; then I put a suggestion on their website and they said "accepted"; next time I contacted them they said they had not decided what case they would have for the US HD2 and the last time I contacted them they said they had no plans for a case for the US HD2. This is very poor marketing in view of the fact that the phone has sold several times in the U.S. I would certainly vote to boycott them.
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I tried contacted them; the first time they said they would have a case for the US HD2 out in 2 weeks; then I put a suggestion on their website and they said "accepted"; next time I contacted them they said they had not decided what case they would have for the US HD2 and the last time I contacted them they said they had no plans for a case for the US HD2. This is very poor marketing in view of the fact that the phone has sold several times in the U.S. I would certainly vote to boycott them.
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I've called them multiple times; depending on who answers the call, the response varies. They need to hear from potential customers frequently to keep the request "fresh on the agenda".
Remember "the squeaky wheel get the grease"
LET'S START SQUEAKIN'!!!
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I got the Bodyguardz full body skin for my TMO US HD2, you notice the size diff. It doesnt fully reach top to bottom on the screen or back pieces. Also, I ordered the HD2 Dock w/batt charger on Amazon for 39.99, and the TMO HD2 does NOT fit. Friend bought the same one and his EU HD2 fits perfectly. I would suggest waiting for TMO specific accessories.
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Can you take a pic of the HD2 with the BodyGuardz on it. I am curious about ordering this for mine.
Can anyone recommend a nice horizontal pouch with belt loop for TMobile HD2?
How about these two from ebay, any one tried? (sorry not allowed to post links)
cgi.ebay.com/SOFT-LEATHER-CASE-COVER-SHIELD-POUCH-fr-TMOBILE-HTC-HD2_W0QQitemZ200461489980QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item2eac6f973c
cgi.ebay.com/LEATHER-CASE-HOLSTER-POUCH-for-T-Mobile-HTC-HD2-HD-2_W0QQitemZ350337015185QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item5191b69d91
For any one who likes their Case Mate cover on their iPod and other products, you might find that the current HD2 cover by Case Mate DOES NOT fit the TMO-US model which is 1.5mm different. I think if Case Mate receives a spark of interest for this item through phone calls from TMOUS HD2 owners, They may want to comply with the demand.......give them a call as I did. They close at 5PM Eastern Time
CALL CASE MATE at 1-866-689-3432 AND HELP BUILT DEMAND for a great product. I find it interesting that they show a cover for the iPad on their website BEFORE its is even available for purchase but no cover for the best phone on the US market.
CALL CASE MATE 1-866-689-3432
i thought i read in the cases thread that they are already making it
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i thought i read in the cases thread that they are already making it
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They, in fact, do make it......for the "international version" HTC HD2, NOT TMO_US HD2.
http://www.case-mate.com/HTC-HD2-Cases/Case-Mate-HTC-HD2-Barely-There-Cases.asp
Look at the bold print just above the price.
If it is available, please enlighten us at where this elusive item is to be purchased.
Hi all, here is a little warning from me and Beards, who purchased the Case-mate barely there silver chrome for out international HD2.
I already returned this case. It was really a bad experience. Although it looks very nice, thin, save the slim design for HD2, unfortunately, it was a nightmare to take the phone out of the case. If you want to take the phone out often, or you are the type that like to change case once a few days like me, or worse if your HD2 crashes or hang and you have to do a soft reset with pen, you really shouldnt buy this case. For the first time I put my phone into the case, and near 10' to take it out, it also nearly scratched all 4 rubber corners of my HD2. If I continue using this case, my beloved HD2 going to be just like the pics in Nightfire123 review, really terrible.
I really recommend not buy this case, if you dont want your lovely HD2 get scratches.
And here is Beard's opinion through our PM:
"When I received my case I was away abroad and it was my daughter who said she thought the case was marvelous.
However, since coming back home and having now tried the case I agree completely, it's an absolute nightmare to take off (only found this out the other day when I had to remove the case from the phone).
Only be grabbing one of the sides and pulling it really hard did I 'eventually' manage to prize it from the phone.
I shan't be returning the case as my daughter threw away all the packaging and it didn't cost a great deal.... I shall however keep the case so that I can use it to experiment against other cases."
U can check this thread from Nightfire123 to see how it will scratch your HD2 after using for a while
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642714
fantasytozi said:
Hi all, here is a little warning from me and Beards, who purchased the Case-mate barely there silver chrome for out international HD2.
I already returned this case. It was really a bad experience. Although it looks very nice, thin, save the slim design for HD2, unfortunately, it was a nightmare to take the phone out of the case. If you want to take the phone out often, or you are the type that like to change case once a few days like me, or worse if your HD2 crashes or hang and you have to do a soft reset with pen, you really shouldnt buy this case. For the first time I put my phone into the case, and near 10' to take it out, it also nearly scratched all 4 rubber corners of my HD2. If I continue using this case, my beloved HD2 going to be just like the pics in Nightfire123 review, really terrible.
I really recommend not buy this case, if you dont want your lovely HD2 get scratches.
And here is Beard's opinion through our PM:
"When I received my case I was away abroad and it was my daughter who said she thought the case was marvelous.
However, since coming back home and having now tried the case I agree completely, it's an absolute nightmare to take off (only found this out the other day when I had to remove the case from the phone).
Only be grabbing one of the sides and pulling it really hard did I 'eventually' manage to prize it from the phone.
I shan't be returning the case as my daughter threw away all the packaging and it didn't cost a great deal.... I shall however keep the case so that I can use it to experiment against other cases."
U can check this thread from Nightfire123 to see how it will scratch your HD2 after using for a while
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642714
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Your opinion is exactly what I like to see and I greatly appreciate your input!!! You make a very good point; there is no soft reset access from the front of the device. Also, the memory card is also not accessible. I'm agreeing with you; maybe I don't want this case.....Buuuuuut, if they did make changes for fitting TMOUS HD2, and take customer complaints on the design into account, the new design may be as to improve on the errors of the previous. Hey, I'm an optimist.
Spoke with Otterbox about the TMO US case. Here is the response if anyone cares.
Update for Case #114446 - "HTC HD2 (Tmobile)"
Dear Francis,
We do not have any information if a case will be made at this time for that device, but it is something that has been requested. I have put in a product suggestion on your behalf, and recommend keeping an eye on our website, as it will have the most up to date information on any new releases that we may have.
Thank you,
Katy
I ask/suggest you click this link and request it too. Hopefully if they see a demand, they'll create the supply. I would really love a commuter case for this. I cant stand most of the options out. Thanks.
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Spoke with Otterbox about the TMO US case. Here is the response if anyone cares.
Update for Case #114446 - "HTC HD2 (Tmobile)"
Dear Francis,
We do not have any information if a case will be made at this time for that device, but it is something that has been requested. I have put in a product suggestion on your behalf, and recommend keeping an eye on our website, as it will have the most up to date information on any new releases that we may have.
Thank you,
Katy
I ask/suggest you click this link and request it too. Hopefully if they see a demand, they'll create the supply. I would really love a commuter case for this. I cant stand most of the options out. Thanks.
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Wow those "Commuter" model ones are sharp!!! I just added my interest/request via that form....hope they release one and soon! A little pricey perhaps, but I'd pay it if they're as nice as they look
sirphunkee said:
Wow those "Commuter" model ones are sharp!!! I just added my interest/request via that form....hope they release one and soon! A little pricey perhaps, but I'd pay it if they're as nice as they look
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Honestly, A good case is worth $30 or so to me. I have a $450 phone and am absolutely OCD about scratches, especially on the screen. I like PDair but they like everyone else has yet to release a US version. I ordered the Fommy rubberized plastic but it isnt shipping for a couple weeks. I have Otterbox cases and can say the fit/finish is second to none. Plus the commmuter is thin and actually protects well. I think if they get enough interest, they will make it.
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Honestly, A good case is worth $30 or so to me. I have a $450 phone and am absolutely OCD about scratches, especially on the screen. I like PDair but they like everyone else has yet to release a US version. I ordered the Fommy rubberized plastic but it isnt shipping for a couple weeks. I have Otterbox cases and can say the fit/finish is second to none. Plus the commmuter is thin and actually protects well. I think if they get enough interest, they will make it.
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Yes I agree, and those are easily the nicest ones I've seen so far.
I also got a very quick reply from their service team...same exact wording as the one you got
I sent them a message as well. Nice looking cases.
Yep, that's a nice looking case right there. We need more people to sign up there (that are also committing to purchase) so we can convince them that there is a demand for it.
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Yep, that's a nice looking case right there. We need more people to sign up there (that are also committing to purchase) so we can convince them that there is a demand for it.
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Commited or not, as long as they keep seeing TMO HD2, I think we are in good shape. But as always is comes down to the bottom dollar. Hopefully we can just keep getting people to request it through the site.
Yeah, I sent in my request as well. I probably won't get it considering I've got this new invisibleSHIELD from Zagg, but I'm all about more accessories for our phone
I too just send my requests in. hopefully they will change there minds and make it for us. if enough peep flood their mail box for TMO HD2.
Added mine as well and moving this thread to the ACC forum that everyone asked for.
I asked too
Hello Everyone,
I put in a request at otterbox too.
1 Defender series Black
1 Defender series Yellow
I hope they realize that they could corner the market on these cases for the USA version HD2
I told them that too
Thank you,
Monnie
I put in a request when the thread opened:
Update for Case #115321 - "Tmobile HTC HD2"
We do not have any information if a case will be made at this time for that device, but it is something that has been requested a lot. I would say to keep an eye on our website, as it will have the most up to date information on any new releases that we may have.
Thank you,
Natasha Meggenberg
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the case is coming
go on otter boxes site and its there under htc devices
alucardunit1 said:
the case is coming
go on otter boxes site and its there under htc devices
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You did see that the one that's coming is for the European version of the HD2, right?
I just got a reply from my request for a T-Mo US HD2 Commuter Case...
Update for Case #123461 - "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2"
We are exploring case options for this device. Please stay tuned to otterbox.com for details as they become available.
Best,
Chris Lanphear
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Sounds a little more optimistic than previous replies.
i have the defender case for my 3gs....it has saved my iphone twice....once from a ladder...3 feet to a concrete floor and another time down a half flight of concrete steps...about 10 steps. it paid for itself many times over and the iphone still works great
Requested as well
I have requested one as well.
I have requested one as well.
Haven't you checked the website? Their is a upcoming HD2 commuter series for $35. Can't wait for it, been their for a while though.
When this comes back into stock i'm getting it!:
http://www.otterbox.com/iphone-cases/iphone-3g-3gs-cases/2600-series-pda-case/
I was looking online and was wondering which series i should go with for tmo hd2.. the defender series sounds cool but ive seen iphone otterboxes and their HUGE. whereas with the commuter it might be more suited to my use of the phone(in jeans pocket). Been to official sight and seen the tech specs but that doesnt tell me anything about first hand use. If you got either series, tell me your thoughts plz!
After reading some of the other posts ive decided on the defender case, I believe it to be the best value and i HATE peel and stick screen protectors and the pix showing the actual size compared to the phone won me over. Now just hoping that with the defender, phone will still slide in compartment under radio. Thx for all the info guys! BTW got the case free, go go internet surveys!!!
I got a defender case coming in this week. I'll keep you posted.
One thing I am curious about.
I see MANY more posts in this forum about Otterbox, than about any other case, and wonder why?
Is it because...
1. The case is much better than any other?
or
2. Someone is actively using this forum to promote that product, getting free advertising for it?
In asking about option #2, I am not implying that either of you who wrote so far to this thread are involved in that. Yet, it seems to be a common practice in the mobile products world--for someone working for a company to post to forums such as this one, pretending to be an impartial user, telling everyone how great a product is, when in fact they are an employee of that company, getting paid to promote the product.
Not making any assumption about it happening here (just wondering, due to the very large number of posts about that one case), but I don't like it when #2 occurs. Of course any company has a right to promote their product, but they should do it honestly, with paid ads, not with fake "user reviews" in forums. (I have even seen on manufacturer's web sites, awards programs, where one can receive points towards free products, by posting positive "reviews" of the product on forums. I think such activity really subverts forums like this, so that one doesn't know whether someone's "review" is a paid ad or not. (And yes, points towards free products is payment.)
Sorry, for all the digression, but just curious, why such a large percentage of posts on this forum are all about Otterbox?
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One thing I am curious about.
I see MANY more posts in this forum about Otterbox, than about any other case, and wonder why?
Is it because...
1. The case is much better than any other?
or
2. Someone is actively using this forum to promote that product, getting free advertising for it?
In asking about option #2, I am not implying that either of you who wrote so far to this thread are involved in that. Yet, it seems to be a common practice in the mobile products world--for someone working for a company to post to forums such as this one, pretending to be an impartial user, telling everyone how great a product is, when in fact they are an employee of that company, getting paid to promote the product.
Not making any assumption about it happening here (just wondering, due to the very large number of posts about that one case), but I don't like it when #2 occurs. Of course any company has a right to promote their product, but they should do it honestly, with paid ads, not with fake "user reviews" in forums. (I have even seen on manufacturer's web sites, awards programs, where one can receive points towards free products, by posting positive "reviews" of the product on forums. I think such activity really subverts forums like this, so that one doesn't know whether someone's "review" is a paid ad or not. (And yes, points towards free products is payment.)
Sorry, for all the digression, but just curious, why such a large percentage of posts on this forum are all about Otterbox?
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I have to wonder, do you have a particular post that you are suspicious of?
Me personally, from seeing how well the Defender case is made, decided to get one....since the bumper case that comes with the HD2 just won't cut it for me. Also, I'll be using a RAM two-ball swivel mount in conjunction with the belt holster that comes with the Defender case to make a pretty nice PDA mount in my car.
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Sorry, for all the digression, but just curious, why such a large percentage of posts on this forum are all about Otterbox?
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Probably because there is VERY FEW options for a good quality rugged case in the market at the moment.
The defender is a bit bigger, but not by much, however, I have the Commuter, and it slides good into a pocket, etc. The defender is silicone so I think you would have to use holster to make it more accessible.
To the guy wondering why people like Otterbox, it's because nobody else makes good rugged cases for phones. Iphone has speck, casemate, etc. HD2, has.. Some ****ty Body Glove case from T-Mobile?
I just got my defender case. And my god, I've never felt more like a man than I do now. It also doubles as a kickstand.
********UPDATE 2**********
Please go here for Otterbox!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868821
********UPDATE**********
This Tough Case option is officially closed. Case-mate opted not to produce this. Read more here LINK
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Please submit your design wish list here (cost, color, etc.)
For me, I want it executed like the Galaxy S above. Black color is great and looks professional and handsome. ABS plastic has to cover the corners for protection. Power button cover to help prevent accidental shutoff. No covers on frequently accessed ports (headphone, microusb)
Here's is the response from Case-mate:
Thank you for contacting case-mate and your interest in our products. At this time, we do not have any specific information on when, or if, the item you are requesting might become available. Our product development team is always working on new products. I will gladly share your feedback/request with them!
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Yeah, I know... kind of generic. I've offered them a link to this thread. Please vote above if you are interested in order to try to give us more choices.
I've submitted messages to otterbox and case-mate so lets hope they can come up with something. Only thing im looking at right now is one of those amzer TPU cases but im not really thrilled about it :-/
I hope they are listening.
You can post on their facebook as well. They are very active on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/casemate
They already make the red Pop! Case that you see on the AT&T site. It can't be that much more effort to make the Tough Case as well.
Which Windows Phone 7 handset do you own?
* Samsung Focus (34%, 518 Votes)
* HTC HD7 (24%, 359 Votes)
* Samsung Omnia 7 (17%, 256 Votes)
* LG Optimus 7 (9%, 129 Votes)
* HTC Mozart (7%, 109 Votes)
* HTC 7 Trophy (4%, 63 Votes)
* Dell Venue Pro (3%, 41 Votes)
* HTC Surround (2%, 27 Votes)
* LG Quantum (0%, 12 Votes)
As of 26Nov10.
Samsung Focus is clearly the front runner. Come on Case-mate, hook us up!
http://wmpoweruser.com/which-windows-phone-7-handset-do-you-own/
Please go here and vote 3 votes. Yes people... we can make this happen if we show interest!
http://feedback.case-mate.com/forum...sung-focus-tough-case-please-add-this-to-your
Although im not a fan of the read pop, i wouldnt mind seeing how it looks on the phone. After all, im using a Nexus One sleeve pouch thats hacked up because Windows phone 7 likes to turn itself off when locked and in a tight sleeve case!
smuook said:
Please go here and vote 3 votes. Yes people... we can make this happen if we show interest!
http://feedback.case-mate.com/forum...sung-focus-tough-case-please-add-this-to-your
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Done. To be honest i would MUCH rather i have an Otterbox defender, but ill take what i can at this point.
The Otterbox defender is nice. It is noticeably bulkier but does provide maximum protection. I'm not really a fan of clear plastic membrane over the screen, but that's just me. There is no doubt that the Defender is a great case. But I really like the Case-mate Tough Case, slightly more than the Otterbox. I see the Tough Case as equivalent to the Otterbox Commuter series. The big difference is that the Commuter doesn't have the ABS plastic on the corners like the Tough Case. I personally think this is a design flaw. Like a said in post 1, 90% of the time you drop the phone, it is going to land on a corner first with the most impact. That initial impact is what is going to break your screen. The Tough Case , having ABS plastic over silicone on the corners, is a better design imho. But I would take either one at this point, to be honest.
I can't see me walking into a meeting with a Red Pop! Case. For the life of me, I can't see why they would only produce only the red one (as of today)? A gray and black one would have worked fine and suited the taste of many more buyers imo.
Thanks for voting btw!
The votes are at 36 on the Case-Mate Product Forum here:
http://feedback.case-mate.com/forums/26011-product
That should be enough to get their attention. If you haven't yet, please vote and drive the count up. The bigger the better. They will have to answer soon.
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The Otterbox defender is nice. It is noticeably bulkier but does provide maximum protection. I'm not really a fan of clear plastic membrane over the screen, but that's just me.
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I love my iPhone 4 defender case, its huge but i dont have to worry about the phone dropping and cracking in half. As far as the membrane, its not bad.. im indifferent.
After only a short time, the request for a Case-mate tough case climbed rapidly up their Product Feedback list. It had 90 votes, 16 comments, and ranked 5th. The good news is that they heard your voice... the bad news is that they declined it.
Status: declined
The Pop! is our new version of the "Tough / Hybrid" style case - we won't be adding this version for the Focus, sorry!
Dayna Hogan-Mclean Admin
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http://feedback.case-mate.com/forums/26011-product/suggestions/1250667-samsung-focus-tough-case-please-add-this-to-your
This deactivates it from voting.
Sorry folks, don't know what to tell you. I can't see bringing a Red Pop! case into my next meeting, and it doesn't provide nearly the protection as the Tough Case. This is really disappointing.
Anybody for an Otterbox?
The Pop model is fine if they offer it in another color (like black). A friend of mine has one and it's a really nice case IMO.
naplesbill said:
The Pop model is fine if they offer it in another color (like black). A friend of mine has one and it's a really nice case IMO.
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you can vote for a black model here:
http://feedback.case-mate.com/forum...lors-for-the-samsung-focus-pop-c?ref=comments
They don't make any Pop! cases in black. I'm gonna hold out and wait to see what Otterbox does. They seem more receptive to customer feedback than Case-mate.
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They don't make any Pop! cases in black. I'm gonna hold out and wait to see what Otterbox does. They seem more receptive to customer feedback than Case-mate.
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thats weird , i saw a black one on youtube (for iphone 4)
here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkVSvr4b77k
I'm a little confused by that video. I had done browsing some of the cases on their site and the only color I saw close to black was dark grey. See here: http://www.case-mate.com/iPhone-4-Cases/Case-Mate-iPhone-4-Pop-Cases.asp
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I'm a little confused by that video. I had done browsing some of the cases on their site and the only color I saw close to black was dark grey. See here: http://www.case-mate.com/iPhone-4-Cases/Case-Mate-iPhone-4-Pop-Cases.asp
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im not sure but it since the focus pop isnt even ont he site yet, i think they dont update the website very fast...
i searched for "case mate pop iphone 4 black" and got a few results with it, so its not a custom model
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Mate-iPhone-Pop-Black-Grey/dp/B00422Z1G0