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GPS won't fix after moving

Hi,
I used my Touch Diamond and Touch Cruise in US w/ GPS for a while, then I came back to Istanbul for a trip. Now, both of my HTC phones won't have a fix to a coordinate, even if the GPS receiver is detected, and actually showing satellites in programs (say, iGO).
Does anybody know what I should do?

Have you tried updating the coordinates through the program quickgps?

wontcachme said:
Have you tried updating the coordinates through the program quickgps?
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yes, I've ran quickgps, didn't work out. Then I hard-resetted the diamond, and tried again. Nothing got me a result.
Can you actually suggest a GPS software, to check if it is the software or hardware, acting weird.

Google maps?

Both of these units by HTC has the static navigation thing enabled. For more information, have a look at this link http://www.etenblog.com/2007/11/20/static-navigation-explained/

If the GPS has been turned off while having travelled over a long distance (like you did from the USA to Istanbul), your GPS needs much more time to get a new fix. This is something you can't do anything about. QuickGPS should help, however since I have QuickGPS (just a cpl of weeks) I haven't travelled yet to the other side of the world With my older BT GPS it took me a very long time as well the first time when I turned it on after I exited the airplane.
How long have you been waiting to get a fix while standing still outside in the open air?

akito said:
If the GPS has been turned off while having travelled over a long distance (like you did from the USA to Istanbul), your GPS needs much more time to get a new fix. This is something you can't do anything about. QuickGPS should help, however since I have QuickGPS (just a cpl of weeks) I haven't travelled yet to the other side of the world With my older BT GPS it took me a very long time as well the first time when I turned it on after I exited the airplane.
How long have you been waiting to get a fix while standing still outside in the open air?
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Actually, I've used beelinegps (http://www.visualgps.net/BeeLineGPS/default.htm). I've put a chair in the middle of backyard and kept the phone there for ~2hrs, in the night (so that it wouldn't overheat) w/ open sky.
The satellites are shown, but it simply won't fix.
After hard reset I haven't updated quickgps again, suspecting that it was deviating the calculation to the other side of the world .
In the worst case, I'll update quickgps and put the phone in charge and leave it to open sky for a night, and see what happens.
Is there any other solutions, btw?
Thanks

s_kates81 said:
Both of these units by HTC has the static navigation thing enabled. For more information, have a look at this link http://www.etenblog.com/2007/11/20/static-navigation-explained/
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Hi,
I've actually tried to figure out how to disable static navigation.
Neither sirfdemo nor sirftech.exe worked just the way they are.
I believe the problem was the intermediate driver/port of windows. So I disabled that, and let the programs scan thru the ports. But that way, they can't figure out actual hardware port number and baud rate.
Does anyone know how I can access gps chip directly?
Thanks

Solved!
I finally solved the issue.
I got HTC GPS Tool from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=360477 and installed it. After that choose clear memory and cold start. That was it, nothing much about static nav.
Thanks

TD's GPS thread

Hi all,
Could you please, be kind and post you experience with TD's GPS...
Since I got my TD(4 days) I have not been able to test the GPS at all
I have loaded some soft that could help me here. ( I travel a lot between Korea and Japan). Cannot really use the phone here, but WIFI works great and I thought I would give the GPS a test run.....no luck YET..
TD's own: QuickGPS has downloaded(through WIFI) all the info and it is up to date......But how do I set up the GPS itself???
Phone did not come with preloaded GPS software so,I have loaded following soft on itnone of them would recognize the gps)
i.e. " no GPS found."
1.Google Navigator 3.4
2.GPSvp (http://gpsvp.com)
3.Effica GPS Utilities (http://www.efficasoft.com/gpsutilities/index_wm_ppc.html)
I would really like to test out the GPS here first.I am returning to EU (home) in october or november and I would like to use it there as well.

sorry for the bump
I tried the search...not just this forum but all of XDA.....I cannot seem to find one successful step-by step activation as of yet???
Nobody has internal GPS running on their TD??
Anyone?

Runs perfect and is good quality.
Make sure you let windows manage gps (in external GPS settings):
programport COM4
hardwareport none
and in last tap check the checkbox.
Programs find gps at Com4 at 19xxx baud.

THX RIEL
thank You for you reply.
Will try tommorow morning.

Riel said:
Runs perfect and is good quality.
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Don't you have a problem with the static navigation? This behavior "drives"
me nearly crazy, because beside of that, the GPS in TD is superb...

On mine, no programs can access the GPS and the programs will lock and crash the phone when it tries to connect to GPS.
The onlt one that does not lock the phone is TomTom, but it wont connect to GPS.
I've tried combinations of the recommended port stttings, but I still get no GPS.
I have not activated A-GPS, so I don't know if the phone came with this already activated - how would I check this?

My GPS is a pain in the arse, From what i have read its because of the static navigation. So far it says i live in house number 20 when I live in house number 16 and when i'm on route I'm yet to hear a " You have arrived at your destination" because its accuracy is off about 50 metres.
Hopefully there will be a fix for this very soon.

can someone get me up to speed a bit? what is the 'static navigation' that i keep hearing about..
admittedly, i find sometimes the gps is slightly less accurate at placing my exact location compared to my old Trinity, but otherwise its worked great for me..

PaulusUK said:
On mine, no programs can access the GPS and the programs will lock and crash the phone when it tries to connect to GPS.
The onlt one that does not lock the phone is TomTom, but it wont connect to GPS.
I've tried combinations of the recommended port stttings, but I still get no GPS.
I have not activated A-GPS, so I don't know if the phone came with this already activated - how would I check this?
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Hey, have you got installed TomTom 7? I'm running TT7 and when I select "internal GPS receiver" it connects perfect. I know this doesn't exist in TT6, but I can also get my GPS running in TT7 if I set it to use a BT receiver on COM4 at 57600 baud. (Assuming you didn't mess around with the standard GPS settings, like HTC meant them to be )
Google maps is using the selection of "use windows settings".

racerx_ said:
can someone get me up to speed a bit? what is the 'static navigation' that i keep hearing about..
admittedly, i find sometimes the gps is slightly less accurate at placing my exact location compared to my old Trinity, but otherwise its worked great for me..
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Check this thread out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402039&highlight=static+navigation
and this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401833&highlight=static+navigation

hi guys
Same problem here. AGPS is disabled. I have tried Garmin,TomTom, iGo and google. 95% of the time it can not lock onto the sats. Once in a while it will work fine. Last night it picked up the sats in my bedroom on the second story and this morning outside in clear sky it found 4 sats but with very low signal and could not give me my cordinates, gave up after 15 min.
I have tried GPS tools and even that won't lock onto the sats. Data is upto date with quick gps.
So is it the hardware problem or has it to do something with radio? It can't be faulty TD because there are a lots of people with the same problem, and why lots of other users have no problems accessing the sats?
How is your gps working?

hi
great going sofar...thanks to all. We still have no real answers.
Let's keep this one going.
Looks like GPS is an issue with TD.
( Other than GPS...I am loving this sweet phone )

Now I am trying different roms to see if it is related to that. Will let you guys know if find anything.

Strange, on all ROMS my GPS reciever just works perfect.
Almost the best piece of hardware on the device
As I mentioned in Another topic, I use the GPS for TrackMe, at the same time I am navigation via Igo, and at the same time I showoff Google Maps with GPS support.
It functions very well!
Did you get the GPS-Fix downloads? It speeds up a lot.

Yes got the gps fix downloads but still no go. Still have not lost the hope. I hope its not some hardware problem.

I was fed up messing with mine, so I did a hard reset, and its sorted ...... for now!

same as Paulus
I did a hard reset....and it works perfect. No other adjustments done.
Tried the TomTom, Tracky Pro, GPS VP, and the HTC GPS Tool....all work no problem...outside I get a fix within a minute sometimes seconds.

I think one of the quirks that the TD's GPS has is that, when it's in Acquiring Satellites mode it doesn't seem to spit out any sort of status. The first time I noticed that I thought my internal GPS wasn't working, since with my external Holux unit I can see the satellites which the Holux was trying to lock onto.
Whereas with the TD's built in GPS it just snaps from nothing to.. acquired. So it's hard to see wheter it hasn't gotten a signal because it's in a poor area of reception or not. Usually I'll just try and stay still till I can get a lock.

GPS in ATT Tilt

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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???
Did HTC or XDA devs publish a spec sheet? Did anyone ask this question before? Did Google develop the art of searching?

There's a LOT on this and if you only look at the specs, you'll know. In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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seriously...I means SERIOUSLY???? Have you ever looked at the back of your Tilt where it says GPS?? or did you never read specs on the tilt or are you unable to understand english??
LEARN TO SEARCH!!!

Durrr.....why am I hungry? It doesnt say anywhere on my body that its hungry.

Yes, the ATT Tilt has GPS
It does have a built-in GPS. This same issue threw me off at first too, until I figured it out..
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP. Actual Kaiser and TyTnII owners may already know about the GPS, but the ONLY part of the "AT&T Tilt" documentation referring to GPS is the brief mention of being able to get TeleNav. I know this because I have one. The specs/box mention that it has GPS, but that's all.
Now if I remember correctly, the GPS is COM3 or COM4 by default (unless you changed it in Start->Settings->System->External GPS). I changed mine to COM0 just for the hell of it, and it functions normally.
TomTom should work just fine, set it to 4800 baud, and try it with each COM port available in the options. It sometimes takes a few minutes for TomTom to display that the GPS is in "connected, but no valid signal yet" mode.
If you want to be able to use your Tilt's GPS as an external for some other device, the best thing I've found is GPSGate, but any COM-port splitter should work (as long as it presents a new Bluetooth and/or Serial service)
GPSGate is also useful since you can tell it to log your GPS data to any URL, à la those logging/who-stole-my-phone programs. It can also multiplex the GPS port for use by multiple programs (but I think that functionality is also built into WM and is called the "GPS Intermediate Driver", but I may be mistaken)
Hope this helps!
--Weasel

It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??

Well I didnt' come to this forum to get this kind of response...and no I have never looked at the back of my phone...I let others do my dirty work
Administrators ... delete my account ... please...

bartimeus said:
It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??
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Oh I only researched it for 2 months and played with a friend's phone for another month before buying...

weasel5i2 said:
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP.
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Thank you.......

kareem9nba said:
In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.
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...and this is all I wanted to know...

bigone5500, just keep a list of those who flame others and those who are helpful, then when and "IF" you decide to donate, check your list.....
this site is a very good place for great info, do not let those who's only purpose here is to belittle others run you off.....

GPS stopped working for my ATT TILT
my GPS was working fine. my tomtom was working fine, googlemaps was working fine. then all of a sudden a few weeks ago it just stopped working! usually i would use GPS test to get a working signal and then I would run tomtom and it would work. a few months ago it started to take a much longer time to acquire a valid gps signal (it would take a few to 5 minutes). but now it just doesnt find one at all! is there anything i could do to try to fix this? what com port should it be on? im thinking i mightve changed one of the settings unknowingly. please help!

Problem in getting Garmin XT to work on my Kaiser

Hallo All Gurus,
I'm trying out Garmin Mobile XT for WindowsMobile V4.20.50w with my TyTnII using Malsing's map (named as gmapsupp). I followed all recommended installation procedures installed Garmin XT and mailsing map in SD card \Garmin. But when I execute Garmin XT, I couldn't get it work and I noticed:-
a) when I'm at "GPS Info", it keep showing me "Acquiring Satellities"
b) In view map mode" keep showing "Searching for Satellites"
c) When I keyed in a address and hit GO or "Where Am I", it keep showing "Awaiting Better GPS Accuracy"...
I also noticed my GPS signal level only show 1 small bar and "GPS info" mode showed me only 1-2 satellite icon on the circle.. I never able to get 5 bars..
Tried many days and still can't get it works...
Before I use Garmin, my MapKing works fine...
Any guru can show me anything I missed out...?
Thanks in advance...
PS: I based in Singapore

ahchek said:
Hallo All Gurus,
I'm trying out Garmin Mobile XT for WindowsMobile V4.20.50w with my TyTnII using Malsing's map (named as gmapsupp). I followed all recommended installation procedures installed Garmin XT and mailsing map in SD card \Garmin. But when I execute Garmin XT, I couldn't get it work and I noticed:-
a) when I'm at "GPS Info", it keep showing me "Acquiring Satellities"
b) In view map mode" keep showing "Searching for Satellites"
c) When I keyed in a address and hit GO or "Where Am I", it keep showing "Awaiting Better GPS Accuracy"...
I also noticed my GPS signal level only show 1 small bar and "GPS info" mode showed me only 1-2 satellite icon on the circle.. I never able to get 5 bars..
Tried many days and still can't get it works...
Before I use Garmin, my MapKing works fine...
Any guru can show me anything I missed out...?
Thanks in advance...
PS: I based in Singapore
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Garmin MXT only works with Garmin GPS receiver i.e. Garmin 10X .. or u can purchase the Garmin microSD and your internal GPS can be used..
p/s: unl
Good luck

pcboyy said:
Garmin MXT only works with Garmin GPS receiver i.e. Garmin 10X .. or u can purchase the Garmin microSD and your internal GPS can be used..
p/s: unl
Good luck
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ERM i have mobile xt running on my kaiser fine without a stand alone without a garmin 10x. from what i have heard he just isnt waiting long enough to get a sat signal. in the start screen were view map and were to go are located there is a 5 bars in top left hand side and untill they are green nothing will work and if you go to gps info you need at least 5 sat's to get a lock but just wait longer as it runs fine on mine just takes like 3-8 mins to get a lock depending on weather and radio.

vj4 said:
ERM i have mobile xt running on my kaiser fine without a stand alone without a garmin 10x. from what i have heard he just isnt waiting long enough to get a sat signal. in the start screen were view map and were to go are located there is a 5 bars in top left hand side and untill they are green nothing will work and if you go to gps info you need at least 5 sat's to get a lock but just wait longer as it runs fine on mine just takes like 3-8 mins to get a lock depending on weather and radio.
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yes, thats it, also u can run quickgps before launching garmin.

Thanks you guys for all advise.. True that I have difficulties in acquiring satellites due to bad weather, very thick cloud.. I managed to get through successfully once yesterday evening.. But, when I tried this morning, again it start "Awaiting for GPS accuracy"...
Need your further advice:-
a) When compare to my friend's HTC Diamond, he can obtain GPS much faster, almost within 1-2 mins.
Do I need to get Quick GPS activated every time I use garmin XT?
b) Why those Satellites that I searched all lost after I closed the garmin?
c) I just upgrade to WM6.1, is this one of the factor?
Appreciate any further kind advice please.

ahchek said:
Thanks you guys for all advise.. True that I have difficulties in acquiring satellites due to bad weather, very thick cloud.. I managed to get through successfully once yesterday evening.. But, when I tried this morning, again it start "Awaiting for GPS accuracy"...
Need your further advice:-
a) When compare to my friend's HTC Diamond, he can obtain GPS much faster, almost within 1-2 mins.
Do I need to get Quick GPS activated every time I use garmin XT?
b) Why those Satellites that I searched all lost after I closed the garmin?
c) I just upgrade to WM6.1, is this one of the factor?
Appreciate any further kind advice please.
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I had the same issue after upgrading to WM6.1.
Then I upgraded to HardSPL 3.56 and Radio 1.70.x.x, L26 v12 ROM.. all is well now

dvn2008 said:
I had the same issue after upgrading to WM6.1.
Then I upgraded to HardSPL 3.56 and Radio 1.70.x.x, L26 v12 ROM.. all is well now
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Hi dvn,
What is HardSPL 3.56 and Radio 1.70.x.x, L26 v12?? ROM updates? Where to find? Same installation as WM6.1?? Sorry I am not sure of all these ROM stuffs..
Appreciate your kind pointer please.
Thanks.

ahchek said:
Thanks you guys for all advise.. True that I have difficulties in acquiring satellites due to bad weather, very thick cloud.. I managed to get through successfully once yesterday evening.. But, when I tried this morning, again it start "Awaiting for GPS accuracy"...
Need your further advice:-
a) When compare to my friend's HTC Diamond, he can obtain GPS much faster, almost within 1-2 mins.
Do I need to get Quick GPS activated every time I use garmin XT?
b) Why those Satellites that I searched all lost after I closed the garmin?
c) I just upgrade to WM6.1, is this one of the factor?
Appreciate any further kind advice please.
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As far as i know a different hard spl will not help i have used 3 differnt hard spl's and it has never affected me. a new radio will help this is were your problem will be! quick gps only needs to be run once a week make sure you dont have ur ip dummied to another country as this will make it useless. click download when connected to wifi or gprs/hsdpa if your lucky enough to be happy and afford to pay for your internet. it should get you a file that lasts for 6days 23 hours. wm6.1 has nothing to do with it. you will not get a fix inside your house flat shed etc you need to be out side or in a car (with phone on dashboard) so basicly the phone needs a clear view of sky. based on what you have said i would change my radio its all in the wiki I cannot recommend one to you as i am in the UK and different one's work better in different places. so try a few and see what works best. garmin forgets the satilites it connected to last time because you turned ur gps reciver of so it isnt connected to them and unless you restart garmin straight away the satalites are not in the same place in the sky so it has to relocate them(this is the same for every one)

ok mine is quite funny case.. if i use GMXT, the satellites will take looong time to be locked.. i tried GPSProxy (its a software) and run it 1st.. perghhh.. now it takes only 20sec to lock (with GPSProxy) and i continue to use my GMXT

pcboyy said:
ok mine is quite funny case.. if i use GMXT, the satellites will take looong time to be locked.. i tried GPSProxy (its a software) and run it 1st.. perghhh.. now it takes only 20sec to lock (with GPSProxy) and i continue to use my GMXT
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Hi pcboyy,
Just only GPSproxy?? When I install it, it prompted me for some more files related to Net...
When I activated GPSproxy, I .. a lot of setting.. how to??? Appreciate your helps...

ahchek said:
Hi pcboyy,
Just only GPSproxy?? When I install it, it prompted me for some more files related to Net...
When I activated GPSproxy, I .. a lot of setting.. how to??? Appreciate your helps...
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simple steps but hard to explain.. kindly refer here
http://www.malsingmaps.com/wiki/index.php/All_about_GPSProxy
pls try and let us know your result

GPS 'Hardware' on the Tilt

hi Guys,
i have been scouring the site and i have found lots of info on getting a quick fix on the GPS and which radios work best, i have downloaded lots of radios, tried different roms but no matter what i try, I cant get a fix PERIOD. i have also googled to try and find out if the GPS itself is a replaceable part on the tilt but no info seems to be available, having said that I would definately appreciate any input, i have tried stuff like GPSgate, GPSproxy, HTC GPS tool, GPSTest, VisualGPSce, QuickGPS, QuickPosition and NONE of those tools has shown me what a GPS fix looks like, I have seen up to 8 satellites on the HTC tool, they show up and dance around for about 1 or 2 minutes and then dissapear never to be seen again until after a reboot of the phone.
i have also borrowed a friends Tilt, and placed them side by side, and watched his phone get a fix in about 1 minute, and then stuck around for about 20 more minutes and then finally end the test in frustration.
is the GPS a replaceable part?
any input would be greatly appreciated
Phone: AT&T branded TILT
ROM:Ultimate-X2.V11.Premium (wm6.5)
RADIO:1.71.09.01
Protocol:25.75.40.02.eMoH

My advice to you would be to just keep trying to find a radio ROM that works for you. I recently got a Tilt, and I flashed some odd 5 or 6 radios before I found one that enabled WiFi and GPS for me. Ironically, its the one you are currently using xD.

illspamu said:
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No but the antenna sticker (with fragile embedded tracks) is. That said, you mentioned you still get greyed out satelite details showing and changing in your nav software so that may not be an issue (you've not mentioned if this sticker above the battery bay has been disturbed at all). If you are worried about whether your new setup has contributed to the problem, the answer is simple, was it working OK before you changed the ROM/Radio or SPL from original WM 6.0?
Oh and welcome to the forum illspamu - I hope you don't live up to your name

illspamu - I hope you don't live up to your name[/QUOTE said:
@ashakur
thank you, havent given up I know there is a radio out there for me.
@Flying Kiwi
thanks
I am a total newb to this, so this info about the antena is something i need to check, it is worth mentioning that i did buy this tilt with a broken screen so someone probably used it for a hockey puck, its been a great phone minus the GPS but I recently became demanding and want to see it working.
the GPS has never worked beyond showing me some satelites for a couple of minutes and its been the same regardless of ROM/Radio.
about the handle, worry not, its amazing how an email address like that can keep spammers off
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my apologies ashasaur for mispelling your name,