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What is wrong with the freaking GPS?!

Hi guys!
Im freaking out! I have a Dutch MDA Vario3 and I just cant seem to get the GPS to work. Tomtom can find the intern gps but no signal! I waited for about an hour today and yesterday it didnt work also..somebody can help me out? I use tomtom 6.032
help me out will yah...

try using the gps test first or quickgps before tomtom.

kidd78 said:
try using the gps test first or quickgps before tomtom.
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I did quickgps for about ten times!
gps test?
thx for your reply

Were you indoors? Did you move to a different location? You might want to test it with an external gps receiver or try a standalone gps unit (if you can borrow one). Try and find something that is more sensitive than the Kaiser, and, in the same location, see if you can get a signal.
My point is, you might just be in a bad spot. This happens to me at work all the time, it never picks up a signal, even after an hour of searching.

you must set the right com ports up
find out which port gps is on ie. usually com7
go into config (tomtom) annd then guide the tomtom to com7
it will work took me a couple of days to work it out then seemed so obvious

The above advice is all pretty good. If this is the first time you have used tomtom then it can take a good while.
I am assuming tomtom shows the message "no valid GPS signal" after showing briefly the message "No GPS device". If so this is good. It means your com ports are set correctly.
There are two things to be sure of though:
1.
You have aclear view of the sky - especially on the first occassion you get a fix.
2.
Make sure you have a suitable map in the correct location. Obviously getting a fix when there is no map or the map is in the wrong directory will not succeed.
Did quick GPS work and give you a "valid until" date?
GPS test is a nice simple app that will show you the port number you are on so you can make sure tomtom is using the same one. BUT if tomtom only fails at the no valid signal stage then I think your ports are fine.
Finally, some fatal problems can occur if you have changed entries in the "external GPS" settings. This might (according to some folk) require a hard reset to correct. But try the above first.
Mike

Check this thread first..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330412
Try GPSViewer and select the port settings manually and choose "Open GPS".
You should see some som action through GPS strings in the Setup page.
Then try with TomTom or Google Maps.
I never had issues with TomTom, but google map was having hard time initializing. But after using GPSViewer, it works pretty neat and quick!

arunprakashr said:
Check this thread first..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330412
Try GPSViewer and select the port settings manually and choose "Open GPS".
You should see some som action through GPS strings in the Setup page.
Then try with TomTom or Google Maps.
I never had issues with TomTom, but google map was having hard time initializing. But after using GPSViewer, it works pretty neat and quick!
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It tests all com-ports,but gpsviewer cant find anything..

While it is true that you can screw yourself if you mess with the external GPS settings, you might not have to hard reset. Check the Kaiser Wiki; all the way at the bottom, you'll find links to the registry settings for the internal GPS. If you follow those steps, and set your TomTom to Other NMEA Receiver, you'll be fine no matter what you did with the external settings.

mikechannon said:
The above advice is all pretty good. If this is the first time you have used tomtom then it can take a good while.
I am assuming tomtom shows the message "no valid GPS signal" after showing briefly the message "No GPS device". If so this is good. It means your com ports are set correctly.
There are two things to be sure of though:
1.
You have aclear view of the sky - especially on the first occassion you get a fix.
2.
Make sure you have a suitable map in the correct location. Obviously getting a fix when there is no map or the map is in the wrong directory will not succeed.
Did quick GPS work and give you a "valid until" date?
GPS test is a nice simple app that will show you the port number you are on so you can make sure tomtom is using the same one. BUT if tomtom only fails at the no valid signal stage then I think your ports are fine.
Finally, some fatal problems can occur if you have changed entries in the "external GPS" settings. This might (according to some folk) require a hard reset to correct. But try the above first.
Mike
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I have the phone since yesterday! All settings are ok! I first had t-mobile ROM on my phone, flashed it over with a dumpped original dutch htc rom. (gps also didnt work at the original rom that was on it from t-mobile)
I live in de centre of the city. No clouds or anything..
Where can I find gps test? I tried GPS Viewer, didnt work at all, cant seem to find any ports. I did hard reset and still..it doesnt work..

Bram87 said:
I have the phone since yesterday! All settings are ok! I first had t-mobile ROM on my phone, flashed it over with a dumpped original dutch htc rom. (gps also didnt work at the original rom that was on it from t-mobile)
I live in de centre of the city. No clouds or anything..
Where can I find gps test? I tried GPS Viewer, didnt work at all, cant seem to find any ports. I did hard reset and still..it doesnt work..
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GPS test here:
http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=24687&associateid=1224
It would help us to know the following:
1.
When tomtom is on does the amber led for GPS flash?
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Does tomtom show "no valid GPS signal"?
3
Have you got a local map installed?
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Did quick GPS download current data?
Mike

1.
When tomtom is on does the amber led for GPS flash?
Jep
2
Does tomtom show "no valid GPS signal"?
also correct
3
Have you got a local map installed?
uuh..west europe map..
4
Did quick GPS download current data?
it says after download "valid for six days and twentythree hours"
So I gues, yes
*thx Mike for helping me so far
Edit* gps test; shows "GPS is starting up"..(slow..)

Mmmm. Did GPS test show any bars in the end?
Mike

mikechannon said:
Mmmm. Did GPS test show any bars in the end?
Mike
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Hi mike..
It works..It took some time (alot) but..It works..Hope it keeps working!
Thank you and wish you a happy new year!

Bram87 said:
Hi mike..
It works..It took some time (alot) but..It works..Hope it keeps working!
Thank you and wish you a happy new year!
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Yep, first time around it can take a loooong time. After that it should be faster.
Happy New Year.
Mike

GPS Not Working

Just got my 8925 and cannot get the GPS to interface with TomTom. It keeps saying GPS connection not found. Is there something special to do to activate the GPS? I have run the QuickGPS.
Thanks in advance,
Tomy51

tried going outside?

Yes, I went outside, tried the 3 different types of GPS's TomTom has ans still not connection.

tomy51 said:
Yes, I went outside, tried the 3 different types of GPS's TomTom has ans still not connection.
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ok i run tomtom as well here is what i do:
1) download quickgps update
2) open gpsrouter com4 baud 4800 (search it if you don't have it)
3) run gpstest (under settings make sure it is at com4 baud 4800)
4) open tomtom (change preferences>show gps stutus>configure> try other NMEA set at com4 baud 4800 or Built-in GPS receiver. I tend to get a quicker fix using other NMEA)
good luck.

Thanks, that would probably explain why my gps isn't working as I do not have gpsrouter or gpstest. I'l go searching the forum to try and find it. Knew it had to be something, thanks agian for the help.

You really shouldn't (don't) need those things to make TomTom work. Just make sure TomTom is set to use the internal GPS (or set it to COM4 etc as above, depending on the version you have).
I use the TomTom that came on CD with the phone (not every carrier includes it) and it works perfectly, but you do need to be patient when you first start it up. Initially, it was always say "No GPS device!" for a good few moments before the internal GPS starts up, and then you'll get "Waiting for a valid GPS signal" - how long it waits then is down to your position etc. If you're outside with a good view of the sky - and your QuickGPS data is up to date - it could just be a few seconds - or you might be waiting forever if you're indoors/covered etc.
Does the "No GPS device!" message dissapear after a few moments for you? If it does then all is fine, you may just need to be more patient. If it doesn't, and it's constantly saying that, then something is misconfigured somewhere.

Boinng said:
You really shouldn't (don't) need those things to make TomTom work. Just make sure TomTom is set to use the internal GPS (or set it to COM4 etc as above, depending on the version you have).
I use the TomTom that came on CD with the phone (not every carrier includes it) and it works perfectly, but you do need to be patient when you first start it up. Initially, it was always say "No GPS device!" for a good few moments before the internal GPS starts up, and then you'll get "Waiting for a valid GPS signal" - how long it waits then is down to your position etc. If you're outside with a good view of the sky - and your QuickGPS data is up to date - it could just be a few seconds - or you might be waiting forever if you're indoors/covered etc.
Does the "No GPS device!" message dissapear after a few moments for you? If it does then all is fine, you may just need to be more patient. If it doesn't, and it's constantly saying that, then something is misconfigured somewhere.
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The ATT tilt US version doesn't come with tomtom. I have had a purchased tomtom and the cab that is floating around this forum. The only way i can get it to work with either version is to have gpstest and quickgps. But without gpsrouter i usually have to wait 10mins for a fix. Kinda sucks but hey at least it works now.

redbandana said:
The ATT tilt US version doesn't come with tomtom. I have had a purchased tomtom and the cab that is floating around this forum. The only way i can get it to work with either version is to have gpstest and quickgps. But without gpsrouter i usually have to wait 10mins for a fix. Kinda sucks but hey at least it works now.
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That's a real shame, because it works perfectly with the HTC rom. I wonder what AT&T have done to cripple it?
I just tried mine in the office and despite being inside (though on the top floor) it still had me located in about 30 seconds. There's a real joy in having a full-on, reliable TomTom in your phone - I recommend a ROM upgrade!

Boinng said:
That's a real shame, because it works perfectly with the HTC rom. I wonder what AT&T have done to cripple it?
I just tried mine in the office and despite being inside (though on the top floor) it still had me located in about 30 seconds. There's a real joy in having a full-on, reliable TomTom in your phone - I recommend a ROM upgrade!
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tomtom just sucks without support applications i guess. I have dutty's april 16th and i get a fix within 10-30 seconds now. Yes, I as well can get a fix from my basement within a minute if I have used my tomtom outdoors within the last quickgps upload.

MDA GPS not avalible?

hello all!
i really hate to post a thread on something thats probably already been solved with an easy answer but after 2 hours searching/head scratching and various tools/program downloads i cannot for the life of me get my kaiser's built in gps to work.
on the phone:
T-mobile (uk) MDA Vario 3
R: 1.27.12.32
(edit: i now know this to be an older german/russian version, any advice on a newer version appreciated)
G: 22.45.88.07
D: 1.56.00.00
ive tried setting to com4 with various baud rates (weirdly it hung when i tried it with 4800 and had to soft-reset so didnt work!) ive installed vaious programs (GPStest/GPS info/ GPS Gate etc etc) with all programs including tom tom 7 saying that theres no GPS device!
im pulling my hair out!
im guessing i'll need to update the firmware but hopefully not!
im on my knees for help!
(btw, thanks for reading this!)

quasi_mojo said:
hello all!
i really hate to post a thread on something thats probably already been solved with an easy answer but after 2 hours searching/head scratching and various tools/program downloads i cannot for the life of me get my kaiser's built in gps to work.
on the phone:
T-mobile (uk) MDA Vario 3
R: 1.27.12.32
G: 22.45.88.07
D: 1.56.00.00
ive tried setting to com4 with various baud rates (weirdly it hung when i tried it with 4800 and had to soft-reset so didnt work!) ive installed vaious programs (GPStest/GPS info/ GPS Gate etc etc) with all programs including tom tom 7 saying that theres no GPS device!
im pulling my hair out!
im guessing i'll need to update the firmware but hopefully not!
im on my knees for help!
(btw, thanks for reading this!)
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The best way how to start gps is:
start quickgps and download the data, then if u have installed gps test, start it and wait for it to find the satelites. Dont change the options. Try to be outside and not in house or building.

no
the GPS is not being found, it is either disabled by the rom/radio or is Fubar!
simply downloading location data isnt going to get it to work!
unplug your computer, walk off into the distance, put it on the floor and tell it where it is.
does it turn on and boot to windows?
me thinks not.

quasi_mojo said:
no
the GPS is not being found, it is either disabled by the rom/radio or is Fubar!
simply downloading location data isnt going to get it to work!
unplug your computer, walk off into the distance, put it on the floor and tell it where it is.
does it turn on and boot to windows?
me thinks not.
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I dont understand what do u mean. I think the mda cant have the gps disabled, I have htc kaiser and the steps that I wrote always works for me.

perhaps you are running different firmware/roms ???
having fiddled with gps gate some more, an amberish/red led on the right side has started to flash, but still no programs can find the gps! i thought tomtom7 had it when it paused on com4 but then it stayed like that for 15 minites!
Grrrrr
and sorry mikulec for the harsh response, this is really getting on my nipples now!

quasi_mojo said:
perhaps you are running different firmware/roms ???
having fiddled with gps gate some more, an amberish/red led on the right side has started to flash, but still no programs can find the gps! i thought tomtom7 had it when it paused on com4 but then it stayed like that for 15 minites!
Grrrrr
and sorry mikulec for the harsh response, this is really getting on my nipples now!
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yes I have a different rom.
Another option - try to disable the assisted gps, for that u need to install schaps advanced config - that is a very helpful application.
There can be also one possibility that your gps is faulty.

i will try that and post back
cheers for your help so far!

quasi_mojo said:
i will try that and post back
cheers for your help so far!
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U are welcome and I wish u luck.

ok, i disabled assisted gps
now all my gps programs are reporting
'could not open com7 it may be in use'
but nothing else happens!

quasi_mojo said:
ok, i disabled assisted gps
now all my gps programs are reporting
'could not open com7 it may be in use'
but nothing else happens!
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Go to settings/system/external gps and tell me what settings(in the 3tabs-programs,hardware,access) u have set there.

Have you seen this Configuring Tomtom 6 thread linked to from the Wiki yet? If you've tried all of that and still it doesn't work, if it was me I'd hard reset and make Tomtom Navigator the only program I next installed then I'd test it again without making any configuration changes to it (at least the version I use, I don't know if other versions require any fiddling about to get them to work but TTN 6.032, Google Maps and Microsoft Live Search have all been just a case of once it's installed do a soft reset (not even sure this essential but I do it anyway) and then when I start them up, they work fine). Be very patient and give it ages out in the open to find satellites the first time after a fresh install/hard reset.

No GPS after official update
Hi,
I've got very similar problem : i've upgraded my Kaiser with a official rom/radio from Orange FR (wm 6.1, rom 3.31.73.0 FRE, radio 1.65.16.25).
Since this upgrade, my Kaiser cannot find the inboard GPS. I tried using Google maps, ViaMichelin, OrangeNavigation, and many GPS tools... none of them was able to find the GPS !
That sucks.
I called Orange 2 days ago, and i'm waiting for a response. I'll post there if any news.
Mathieu

yes please mathieu, would be good to hear what they suggest!

GPS not working :/

I tried to use my GPS with three apps: Google Maps, TomTom, and LiveSearch.
The GPS would not work with any of them, the problem is that my phone is not finding any satelites. I have tried this in numerous places in the city, and nothing.
On TomTom, I have it configured to the built in GPS, but I read someplace to also try to set it to COM:4 and 4800, but that didnt help either.
Can anyone help me?
edit: Oh and all 3 programs are installed on my phone, not the memory card. I dont know if that makes a difference but just sayin'.

EuphoriaPL said:
I tried to use my GPS with three apps: Google Maps, TomTom, and LiveSearch.
The GPS would not work with any of them, the problem is that my phone is not finding any satelites. I have tried this in numerous places in the city, and nothing.
On TomTom, I have it configured to the built in GPS, but I read someplace to also try to set it to COM:4 and 4800, but that didnt help either.
Can anyone help me?
edit: Oh and all 3 programs are installed on my phone, not the memory card. I dont know if that makes a difference but just sayin'.
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You didn't wait long enough. Look for GPSTest on this forum and run it for a few minutes outdoors with visible sky.

khaytsus said:
You didn't wait long enough. Look for GPSTest on this forum and run it for a few minutes outdoors with visible sky.
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no i waited a good 5-10 minutes

ok I am running GPSTest but i do not know much about what it is showing.
i am seeing 2-3 green bars, sometimes yellow, and on the bottom there are a bunch of numbers.
the bars are green so im guessing this is a positive thing.
it is still not working with google maps or tomtom, with google maps i waited so long that it showed me an error message saying google maps cant detect my gps, so it cant be that i havent waited long enough.
in GPSTest settings, it says my GPS is on Com:6 and 9600 baud, so in tomtom and google maps i plugged that into the GPS settings values, but still nothing

Try setting it to COM4, and see if that helps.

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Try setting it to COM4, and see if that helps.
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did u even read my post? i said i did

Hi there.. I read this post and might have an answer... after I did a rom update (to an official rom too non the less) my TomTom software no longer would EVER find a satilite signal.. was depressing.. no matter how long I waited.. I did COm 4.. every bad rate from 2400 to 57600.. nothing worked... Then I decided to try that GPS toggle program (I attached it) and it worked great.. just do a soft reset after installed... Let me knwo if this works for you... It is basically a swtich in your today screen that "turns on" the gps chip.. even will show you how many satilites you are locked onto.. Once it turns "green" after you turn it on, start TomTom set in Com , 4800 and it will work like a champ I hope...
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hey its difficult to say whats the problem really. howmuchever i have read about GPS problems (while going thru it myself) i have realized the following
1. its an issue with win 6.1
2. its a radio issue
3. you need to trial and error and check which radio version with which combination of ROM works best.
i am currently using PDAViet with the latest Radio version 1.70.19.09
finally, as a junior member, id like to request some of the senior members if they could come together and setup a thread which addresses the best combinations of ROM and radio versions most suitable for GPS applications.
that would help beginners a lot, as i myself have gone through a lot of searching for the proper combination
p.s. - even with what i have, it takes about 3-5 minutes before i get a lock, as against when i was on winmobile 6, i got a lock under 1 minute flat!!

Just wondering why dont you use Garmin, it is wonderful in my Tytn2 now, when I am in my car, it takes about 10s to get full GPS signal ...

GPS SCAN software

I dont know about others, but I've been having problems about my TTN6 acquiring gps signal. What I would have to do is to open my GoogleMap and scan my location there and then open my TTN6. Even the GoogleMap is having a hard time. I have my setting on Com4 and 4600.
I also use QuickGPS and always updated. Not really sure if it is because of cold start but i doubt it. There are times that I'd be using my gps already and I'd have to soft reset my phone(due to alignment issues) and when it comes back on, I would take awhile for it to find a signal(even though i'm on the same spot when I soft reset the phone).
Any help if appreciated.

rxdrift7 said:
I dont know about others, but I've been having problems about my TTN6 acquiring gps signal. What I would have to do is to open my GoogleMap and scan my location there and then open my TTN6. Even the GoogleMap is having a hard time. I have my setting on Com4 and 4600.
I also use QuickGPS and always updated. Not really sure if it is because of cold start but i doubt it. There are times that I'd be using my gps already and I'd have to soft reset my phone(due to alignment issues) and when it comes back on, I would take awhile for it to find a signal(even though i'm on the same spot when I soft reset the phone).
Any help if appreciated.
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Try another radio! Radio has alot to do with your GPS fix, big time!

phone info
well i'm using pc.ultimate.v10 wwe and the 1.65.14.06 radio. any advice what combination?

rxdrift7 said:
well i'm using pc.ultimate.v10 wwe and the 1.65.14.06 radio. any advice what combination?
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The tricky thing with radios is that they are different for every ROM, location and provider! So realy the only thing to do is try acouple out! Or go to the Ultimate Radio thread and read to see if someone from your area has recomended one or two! Here is the link to the thread! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393182
Where are you located? If you are by me than I can recomend a couple!

location
i'm southern california

rxdrift7 said:
i'm southern california
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Ok, thats far away and much warmer than Minesota! Yea I dont know any for California! There should be some suggestions in hte radio thread though! Sorry, wish I could help you more!

not sure if there's a difference, but on my device, i have set it to com 4 and 9600 and things seem to work fine here in Malaysia and in my travels to Indonesia.
my first GPS lock took some time and doing, and i finally got it working after i ran this "GPS Test" program. Forgot the original thread & poster i found it here, but here's a post with the same. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374349

I had a similar problem. Not being comfortable flashing another radio, I tried a program called Franson GPSGate. It allowed me to use mulitiple programs that utilize the GPS signal at the same time through the same COM port.
I also get fizes in under 15 seconds when I have GPSGate running first. (it primes the GPS signal and keeps it ready for programs that need it). Just another option.

agreed
GPSGate is a great program. Trialware though. I have started tinkering with a program called "AmazeGPS" that will give you turn-by turn directions, and update your route as you travel, unlike google maps. definetly not as handy as google maps for local searches though. best used if you have an address already. The Radio on your phone does affect GPS, as well as all the other connectivity areas (data, phone, bluetooth, and even wifi, i think). if you are looking for something with good connectivity, 1.71.09.01 is an awesome choice. the tradeoff is that it is a bit of a battery hog. i am assuming that you will be using this in a vehicle or something, as gps itself is a battery hog, and if you plan on using it frequently, you probably have it plugged in somewhere. I live in Arizona, by the way. hope this helps!

Try the attached program, if you are able to see the satellite signal...

I live San Diego, using the PC.Ultimate.V16 rom with Tomtom7. I have my GPS configuration with other NMEA GPS, 57600 baud rate, COM4 and I get a connection in 15 seconds.

I think this question was just asked in another thread.... use GPSTest and then when it acquires a signal open up TTN6 or 7 annoying I know but it works for quite a few people

Excellent
Nice the GPStest, now i try to make functionally mi Googlemaps...
Tks

Here is my advice... I get that same problem sometime in my TomTom (I used to use 6.. but now using TomTom 7)... I installed that GPS Toggle that is a start menu item... It is nice.. it says GPS OFF or GPS ON.. When you turn it on, it says "SEEK : XX" XX beign the number of sats it is searching for... Then when it gets a lock it says "LOCK : XX" and also shows how many "bars" you have.... Sometimes I use it to just test out the GPS function w/o loading TomTom... But I have also found if I turn the GPS ON with it before loading TomTom it locks on faster (a lot faster)... I think it sort of jump starts the GPS chip to lock on faster... It is the same software you have to use if you have a HTC Mogul and want to use TomTom (For some reason TomTom doesn't see the GPS chip in that phone w/o this little program or something simmilar)...
I attached the one I use as a cab.. Just copy it over to your storage card... use file explorer and run the cab file... Then after it is installed do a soft reset... You may have to go into the Today screen options in settings and put a check infront of it to see it on the screen... Hope this helps
rxdrift7 said:
I dont know about others, but I've been having problems about my TTN6 acquiring gps signal. What I would have to do is to open my GoogleMap and scan my location there and then open my TTN6. Even the GoogleMap is having a hard time. I have my setting on Com4 and 4600.
I also use QuickGPS and always updated. Not really sure if it is because of cold start but i doubt it. There are times that I'd be using my gps already and I'd have to soft reset my phone(due to alignment issues) and when it comes back on, I would take awhile for it to find a signal(even though i'm on the same spot when I soft reset the phone).
Any help if appreciated.
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