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G1 w/ no data question.

I plan on buying a second hand G1 and rooting it and installing CyanogenMOD 4.0.1. I currently just have a HTC Juno (Shadow) with no data plan and I do not want to get one, is there a way I can disable data so I don't get charged? And do I have to change the APN to use MMS and or SMS with out a data plan? Thank you.
also, will T-mobile give me a unlock code if I didn't buy the G1 from them? (I am a subscriber for more than 90 days)

i have the same question.
thx 4 help.

Just disable the sync and your good to go. Also if u dont have data plan, they wont charge you because it will not work. Thats how Tmobile is anyways. FInally I dont think Tmobile will give you one, just go purchase off of the internet.

shaolinx said:
Just disable the sync and your good to go. Also if u dont have data plan, they wont charge you because it will not work. Thats how Tmobile is anyways. FInally I dont think Tmobile will give you one, just go purchase off of the internet.
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Ok, thanks. I didn't know if they would just start charging me per mb. And do you have to change the APN to get MMS with out data, cause I have unlimited messaging but I heard that MMS uses data on the G1?

shaolinx said:
Just disable the sync and your good to go. Also if u dont have data plan, they wont charge you because it will not work. Thats how Tmobile is anyways. FInally I dont think Tmobile will give you one, just go purchase off of the internet.
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Actually you have apps that go out and try to get updates and other info without you know, so just turning off sync won't work. There is an app on the market (can't remember the name) that stops all outgoing data.

Thx for the answers!
Could anyone tell us the name of this app?

If I remember right it's droid"something" or "something"droid, but of course without the "something"

And you will be charged if you don't have a data plan if you don't stop the data from going out.

here is the app!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541380
its called " droid wall"

Yep that's it. I knew it was droid somthing.

First, T-mobile WILL give you an unlock code for a secondhand G1 if you're not delinquent and have been a customer for 90+ days. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. You have that "feature" every 90 days.
Second, T-mobile tracks G1s (and I'm sure MyTouch3Gs) by IMEI on their network, so they DO KNOW what phone you have. I think you can circumvent the need to buy a data plan, but more than likely you'll receive a "upgrade" message every time your phone tries to download some data. Could just be annoying, but if you're not using data, you might be able to get away with it.
That being said, why buy a smartphone if you're not going to use it as one? I can promise, you won't enjoy your phone to the fullest without data. Sorry.

Thank you everyone for your help.
I know it seems dumb to have a smart phone w/o data, but I don't really wanna pay t-mobile for it. And I can just use wi-fi most of the time.

uansari1 said:
That being said, why buy a smartphone if you're not going to use it as one? I can promise, you won't enjoy your phone to the fullest without data. Sorry.
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Actually, I think that data is a waste of money. I survive and enjoy my android just fine without it. Most places that people visit and commute to everyday has access to WiFi(school,home,work,cafe,etc). There is no need to pay the double bill, unless the said places doesnt have wifi.

G1 and T-mobile Question

I think this is the best place for this question.
I have a G1 now and am considering moving over to the Nexus one. My wife and I are on the family plan and we want to keep that going. Currently she only had a basic phone with basic cell service. I have the basic cell service with the Data Plan added to my line. Her contract is up and she can get a new phone, which is good because her Motorola is getting flakey. Anyhow she wants to start doing text messaging with family. So she wants a new phone that has a full keyboard for texting. She doesn't need/want the data plan as it is $30/mo that she won't use. The problem is that all the phones with full keyboards require a data plan. She is a stay at home mom so if she needs the internet she get on a computer. So my thoughts were to get the new Nexus One for me @ $533 for the unsubsidized rate. I take my SIM out of my G1 put it in the N1. Move her sim from her Motorola over to my old G1 then turn on texting on the her line.
She wouldn't be paying for data and I could just set the G1 up to use our Wifi anyhow. Not that it would be used for anything but updating and installing new apps. So it should be fine. I could wipe the phone and set it up on her Gmail account before pulling my sim so I could then configure Wifi.
Does anyone see any flaws in my thinking? I have already put her sim in my G1 as a test and it could make a receive calls on her number. The one thing that I did notice is that it said it had 3G coverage but I didn't try it.
Thanks

Well I was out running around today and stopped into the local T-mobile shop to run these questions across them.
Basically they said that it should be fine. They would only be concerned if I were trying to disable the data plan on my account while still under contract. Since I will be maintaining my data plan for use on the Nexus there are no concern. He said that I may have issues when trying to set up the phone for Her. I mentioned I could wipe the phone and set it up on her Gmail account before moving my SIM. He said that once her SIM is in it may have and issue the first time it powers on. He said that worst case we could come down to the store and turn on the data plan for an hour or so and get it updated then they could turn it off.
He also mentioned that I may have problems accessing the App Market as they were told that it needs the data network to function. However he admitted that he can access the App Market just fine on his old G1 at home over his Wifi and no SIM Card. So he again thought that I would be OK. The only real issue that I can see is that I may not be able to get OTA updates. That shouldn't be a big deal because the phone is rooted and I am running a cooked ROM on it. We plan on leaving it that way and I will be doing updates in that manner.
So it looks like my questions are answered. I am posting the resolution as others may have the same question.

Used G1 without web plan

If I buy a used G1 on ebay, can my neighbor just put her sim card in it without any web plan? She has a regular voice and text plan on T-Mobile with a cracker jack nokia flip phone and it's a hassle for her to send and receive texts. I figured she can get a phone with a keyboard and make her life easier.
Does she have to turn anything off so she doesn't get charged for web service?

without a data plan its gonna be hard to get past the activiation screen.
all she would need to do is
get a sim with someone who has data,
go through the setup creating her own gmail account
then when she;s at the home screen power off and swap sims again.
she wont have internet but the basics will work!

I have an iPhone on T-Mobile with data. So I can use my sim and put it in her G1 and where do I find the next steps in activating everything?

no sim = unpassable NO SIM screen.
sim without data = activation/learn how to use screen, cant continue after wanting to create gmail account
sim with data = get to step above but it will create the account and allow you through to the home screen.
so yes, as long as the sim has data, she should be ale to activate.
just remember to tell her that the phone is much more fun with data ;D

Thanks. Once I get her to see how much fun and easier to use a smart phone is I'm sure she'll eventually get a data plan.

actually I think the only way to get pass it is with a android data plan, Im not sure of the other data plans t-mobile has.
But I have had my G1 for a year w/o data.I got 5MB of free data when I bought it so you can try it even though your getting it used.I still had this problem when I was rooting it though because I had to log-in without the data.I did by going through the adb shell or something its kind of difficult.
Maybe someone else can give you more information

Ok I got it and I installed the sim card from my iPhone. I went through the activation process and I created a generic gmail account and have been using the G1 for the last 30 minutes. Have it also working through the wifi at home too.
Now I have to install her sim to see what happens.

Download APN droid so that her phone doesn't connect to data services. They will charge her per MB if she doesn't.

I got pretty good at modifying the iPhone and next week I have to learn the EVO. I hope what I learn with this G1 I can use with the EVO later!
I went into MARKET on the G1 and searched APN and all I got was APN Italy and APN Movilphone. Where do I get APN DROID and how do I install it?

The app's name is "APNdroid" by martin adamek. It's in the market.

I must be doing something wrong. I'm going into the market and searching for APNdroid and it keeps telling me
There are no matches in Android Market for the search : APNdroid
Do I have to be rooted or jailbroken or is it another Market not the one on the stock G1 ? Do I have to do it while connected on the cellphone or can I do it over wifi?
I'm not an idiot, I mean how hard is it to do a search, but this is making me nuts!!

OK Now I know what happened. I've been playing with the G1 since yesterday but for some reason today it decided to update its version. It asked if I wanted to update it and I said yes. Apparently the previous owner had never updated it. I now have a way prettier and more modern looking Market and it found the app quickly when I searched for it.
I installed the app and it's working great. I knew I couldn't be that dumb!
Thanks a lot for your patience.

anyone on ATT having data problems?

I've tried various different ROMs but it seems since installing the latest releases of Froyo I can't seem to get any kind of consistent data speeds any more.
One minute I'm getting 2mb the next I'm getting 200 or no connection at all. I've tried going back to other roms even 2.1 (cyanogen) but still have the issue. I don't know if it's network related or something is messed up on my phone.
I'm going to go back to completely stock everything (including radio) and see if I still have problems but just wanted to post here to see if anyone else has seen issues.
Thanks

Before you resort to messing with your device you might want to call AT&T and ask them whats up with you area. I found that 16 out of 20 towers in my arean were down and that was the problem. I continued to question them about what they were doing about it and found that the answer was nothing. The towers are Verizon owned and they cant do anything about it. They gave me a $280.19 credit on my account which almost pays next months bill.
I saved myself from the trouble and got next months bill paid.
Now, thats killing 2 birds with 1 stone

Yeah I've been having absolutely terrible data all day. I got on here looking for a thread about this. I'm also on AT&T. It has pretty much stopped working completely for the last two hours.
I read there was a nationwide outtage and people thought it was T-Mo but they claimed it was HTC.
Not real sure what the issue is but it's getting annoying.

vwauditech said:
Be you might want to call AT&T
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ya... I ended up calling them... they said not having my IMEI # on my account would cause strange things eventually when the system does it's scans or whatever... they added the # to my account and data seems fine now... well, fine within ATT standards lol

I have been having big issues with the data connection since froyo came out.
Data will get "stuck" on sending and no program (browser, sync, market, ...) will be able to send or receive data ... they all time out or give a network connection error.

The did do an IMEI scan. They shut off my data because I had an iPhone plan.
I just hulked out at the ATT store for half an hour.
I'm still using a GSM carrier because I want to switch phones whenever I please.
They put me on the smartphone data plan. What happens if I want to grab an iPhone 4 and switch back and fourth?
So Angry. Don't Tread on Me!

Well I feel like an asshole. SwitchPro Widget disabled my data connection.
**** it I'm getting an iPhone.

cstcyr said:
Well I feel like an asshole. SwitchPro Widget disabled my data connection.
**** it I'm getting an iPhone.
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f**kin troll...
anyways i always seem to have some issue with AT&T data. mostly 3G. i could be doing fine at one point and then a few minutes later, i cant load pages or do anything data wise and then im forced to turn the 3G off or connect to wifi if its around. $30/month for this crap?

xXJay_RXx said:
f**kin troll...
anyways i always seem to have some issue with AT&T data. mostly 3G. i could be doing fine at one point and then a few minutes later, i cant load pages or do anything data wise and then im forced to turn the 3G off or connect to wifi if its around. $30/month for this crap?
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If you look around, there's a broad array of AT&T data problems the last 2-3 days... So something is going on, and I highly doubt it has anything to do with any hardware, software, etc, except for specific examples of course.
Perhaps all the ipony 4 lusers downloading new fart apps?

Zenoran said:
ya... I ended up calling them... they said not having my IMEI # on my account would cause strange things eventually when the system does it's scans or whatever... they added the # to my account and data seems fine now... well, fine within ATT standards lol
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Crock'o's###e (it's an Irish crock, so there's an "e" at the end). All they need is the SIM card #, or ICCID, to authenticate the user. The IMEI is irrelevant and if the network needs it, it's auto-pulled from the switch (GSM phones always broadcasts the IMEI when they connect, it's how they nab people for the data plans). What the rep is doing with the IMEI is just updating the billing system, not anything network related (again, since the network already has your info). Now...what happens is that whenever you change the SIM or IMEI in the billing system, it orders the network to push out an OTA SIM update. There is,however, an option to simply send the OTA without fudging with the numbers.

Oddly enough, I ran the "mark the spot" application and at the end, it asked me if I wanted to run a diagnostic test. I selected yes and then about 10 minutes later it sent me a free text message acknowledging that they received my issue.
Now i'm testing my speeds and everything seems back to normal!
I'm getting consistent 1.5 up and 1.5 down whereas I was getting < 100 each way a couple of hours ago.
I'm in MD btw.

ATnTdude said:
Crock'o's###e (it's an Irish crock, so there's an "e" at the end). All they need is the SIM card #, or ICCID, to authenticate the user. The IMEI is irrelevant and if the network needs it, it's auto-pulled from the switch (GSM phones always broadcasts the IMEI when they connect, it's how they nab people for the data plans). What the rep is doing with the IMEI is just updating the billing system, not anything network related (again, since the network already has your info). Now...what happens is that whenever you change the SIM or IMEI in the billing system, it orders the network to push out an OTA SIM update. There is,however, an option to simply send the OTA without fudging with the numbers.
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Ya I've always been thinking the same thing but was rather desperate to get better results after a week of poor performance and, surprisingly, after updating the IMEI # I was getting full speeds again. It could be purely coincidental but I guess there's absolutely nothing wrong with having the correct IMEI on file.
ATT has been sucking lately. I don't know if it's the froyo radio or what but I have been experience a lot of lag when the phone has been off for a bit then trying to initiate a data connection. ATT's data network can be absolutely awesome or absolutely SUCK, depending on the time of day and network utilization. I think I'm ready to jump ship to sprint (apparently they've really cleaned up their network problems in central ohio) or verizon but the Nexus has me stuck to ATT until something significantly better comes a long to switch into.
Too bad all newer phones on other networks all have those craptastic sudo layers like sense and blur... that crap and the "personal touch" of the carrier to android releases always ends up in it being a small eternity before you actually get the latest android. This is why the Nexus stays in my hand... I sure hope someone else releases a vanilla android phone that's support as widely as the Nexus.

khaytsus said:
If you look around, there's a broad array of AT&T data problems the last 2-3 days... So something is going on, and I highly doubt it has anything to do with any hardware, software, etc, except for specific examples of course.
Perhaps all the ipony 4 lusers downloading new fart apps?
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lol +1
but yea i hope it has nothing to do with hardware. i was just fine with my nexus one using 3G up until a few days ago. i hope this is AT&T's way of fixing their 3G. this better get cleared up soon cuz im sooo ready to jump onto Verizon's Droid X or jump on T-Mobile's Galaxy S (while still being able to use my sim card on my nexus). i always had issues with AT&T and i just tried to ignore it while i was on the iPhone 3Gs/Nexus One but now this is ridiculous. i have had a few nights were i would get no data service at all. i was scared as sh*t thinking i messed something up while i was flashing (i happened to have flashed something the night i had no data) but when i woke up the next morning, i had data again. im almost fed up with AT&T. im paying $175 a month for two lines and this is the crap i get?

iboj007 said:
Oddly enough, I ran the "mark the spot" application and at the end, it asked me if I wanted to run a diagnostic test. I selected yes and then about 10 minutes later it sent me a free text message acknowledging that they received my issue.
Now i'm testing my speeds and everything seems back to normal!
I'm getting consistent 1.5 up and 1.5 down whereas I was getting < 100 each way a couple of hours ago.
I'm in MD btw.
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what does that do? does it help AT&T find the spotty service areas?

T-Mobile Adding bigger data plans

So I just spoke to a friend who is a rep a T-Mobile, and he told me that they recently announced internally that they will be adding bigger and better data plans in the very near future.
He said the push is due to the 5gb limit being too low for so many users, and the 200mb plan being way too small.
Just thought you guys would want to know. If you ask any telephone rep at T-Mobile they will confirm it.

I knew there was a reason I was holding off activating my SIM. ;-) Any idea when they will officially announce the new data plans?
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You can change the plan in the future. T-Mobile is less likely to extend the contract upon changing plan (except promotion one).

WookieFan said:
I knew there was a reason I was holding off activating my SIM. ;-) Any idea when they will officially announce the new data plans?
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Ah that's a question I had, you can hold off on activating the SIM and still use the Streak 7 normally? I briefly had an AT&T tab and I could even use Google Maps without activation!

I am currently using my S7 with a non-activated SIM inserted. I can pick up a 4G signal, just can't use the data. Additionally, you want to have the cell radio working when you check for app updates, since the Android Market won't recognize certain apps if the cell radio is powered off...
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Makes sense, have you tried Google Maps to see if does get some data like the AT&T did?

Not sure what you are asking, but yes, I can use Google Maps / Navigation, as long as I have data (WiFi) and the GPS radio is on. I have not tried Navigation with the cell signal...yet. Not really sure I want to pay for another data service, even if it is pseudo-4G.
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Well like I wrote, on the AT&T Samsung Tab even without activating the SIM, data worked more or less, HTTP on port 80 and for Google Maps. Not sure why but it was handy!

I dont have a data plan and I disconnected wifi. I picked up a cell signal. I was able to do google searches no problem.. when I tried to click a link though it brought me to the TMO page to sign up for prepaid service. So maybe even without data the google things like search and according to you maps.. work. I was kind of surprised when I was able to do a google search with no dataplan and wifi turned off. For a split second I thought I was getting free data! Until I tried clicking on one of the links.. ahhahaha

Sounds a bit like what I'd experienced on the Tab than , I think Google News did work though, albeit slowly. It was certainly convenient for GPS guidance.

Ok, so let's test this further. I'll run mine for a few hours with just the cell and background sync and see if gmail etc work *without* an active data plan...
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Sounds good and I'll be able to join you as my Streak 7 has arrived!

So, I gave it a try and no go, unlike on the Tab where AT&T let some limited data go through with an unactivated SIM, T-Mobile block out all traffic, makes sense.

webvan said:
So, I gave it a try and no go, unlike on the Tab where AT&T let some limited data go through with an unactivated SIM, T-Mobile block out all traffic, makes sense.
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Confirmed, although having the cell radio on does affect what apps you see in the Market.
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I got my Ds7, when I signed up it said 39.99 for 5 GB, when I logged into my account, it says unlimited DATA, gotta love it.

That's a good deal! I've found that the 2gb/$25 of m ipad subscription have always been enough though.
@WookieFan - It also seems that GPS doesn't work in plane mode, even if activated with the smartbar toggle, is there a way to just turn off just the cell phone to try to save on battery life ?

lou0611 said:
I got my Ds7, when I signed up it said 39.99 for 5 GB, when I logged into my account, it says unlimited DATA, gotta love it.
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That's because it's probably like most TMO data plans. It's 5GB of fast 3G/4G broadband data until you go over 5GB then it's EDGE speeds after that. It's still unlimited but just slower. Selling it as a 5GB and showing up as unlimited probably irks fewer folks though. They have done the opposite in the past. It doesn't matter to me either way since the end result is the same IMO. I do like how TMO does it. Much better than being raped with overages or cut off.

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@WookieFan - It also seems that GPS doesn't work in plane mode, even if activated with the smartbar toggle, is there a way to just turn off just the cell phone to try to save on battery life ?
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Not that I have been able to find. But I dont root my devices until the warranty is up. I suspect if yiu have root, you can get an app or a widget that will shut down just the cell radio. I can confirm that no widgets found in the market will shut off my cell radio on a stock S7.
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WookieFan said:
Not that I have been able to find. But I dont root my devices until the warranty is up. I suspect if yiu have root, you can get an app or a widget that will shut down just the cell radio. I can confirm that no widgets found in the market will shut off my cell radio on a stock S7.
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I turned on airplane mode and tunrend on wifi and gps, all seems to be working.

Keep an eye on GPS, it stopped working the other day when I was using the same setup...and also when I wasn't in airplane mode yesterday so there might be other issues at play.