I don't have a HTC Vogue to run Android,i just have a ELFin.
I really hope that Android rom for Vogue can run on ELFin,is that possible?
Plz tell me why.
thanks
you cant use them the elfin, for 2 big reasons
1. our phones along with the kaiser, polaris, and nike all use an ARM MSM 7xxx based processor, the elf runs an OMAP Processor so without heavy changes to the code there is no way to run it, which means it wont work
2. memory constraints, while the vogue is not exactly a high memory phone the elf has even less, this is also the same reason why the titan has a hard time running android
you could probably make it work but you would have to recode alot of stuff
ok,so i'm not a programer.
But Touch can run Android 1.5,so I think it can run the 2.1 rom.
any body can run SenseUI rom for this?
ASPHALT5 said:
ok,so i'm not a programer.
But Touch can run Android 1.5,so I think it can run the 2.1 rom.
any body can run SenseUI rom for this?
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for cdma touch, yes. for gsm touch, no. again, you have too little memory.
but ELFin has 128MB ram and 256MB rom
and that is isn't enough?
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but ELFin has 128MB ram and 256MB rom
and that is isn't enough?
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sorry, sorry - elfIN, not elf. ok, it does have enough memory. but you'd need a working kernel as the 2nd post mentions.
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but ELFin has 128MB ram and 256MB rom
and that is isn't enough?
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there is a project called wing-linux. Its for Omap850 devices. haret is used to run android, so you can easily go back to wm. But at the moment there is only Android 1.5.
it's ok but that project isn't so good,the speed is too slow and that is just for fun
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Hi everybody!
Why should be the device bricking fun limited to brother Raphael?
Android runs on Raphael
HardSPL is being worked on
Sounds promising?
Unfortunately I know little about how far the Xperia diverges from the current HTC branded lineup, hardware-wise.
Could some knowledgeable people share their opinion about porting Android onto Xperia e.g:
Booting linux (SD, MSM7200A vs MSM7201A ...)
Display (~ Blackstone?)
Keyboard (~ Raphael?)
Touchscreen (~ Blackstone?)
Cellular radio driver (~ Raphael? US / Asia / Eu?)
Wifi, B/T (~ Raphael?)
Buttons
GPS (~ Raphael?)
MSM7200A "3D" acceleration, FM radio?
Potential show stoppers?
Thank you!
UPDATE:
I extended the Xperia wiki page with some specifications (because alot of... strange... specs are floating on the web)
Yea that would be awesome to have android on this super bad @ss hardware. We still need a hard SPL before we can flash anything though
romeo0119 said:
We still need a hard SPL before we can flash anything though
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yeah that is true .. hopefully oli, comnex, itsxda, or tom condon are working on something or atleast plan on doing one for this phone ...
The Xperia, uses the same CPU as the Raphael, the model numbers vary due to patent issues but you'll find that a euro x1 matches a euro Raphael etc.
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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Where did you get this info?
cheers
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The Xperia, uses the same CPU as the Raphael, the model numbers vary due to patent issues but you'll find that a euro x1 matches a euro Raphael etc.
The 3D acceleration is in fact a 128MB ATI Imageon (2300/2700G - not sure which, don't own the phone myself =P)
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I thought the 2700G was an intel accelerator, the one used on the Dell Axim? I might be completely worng, Ati might have the same model numbers, I don't know.
As you'll may know. I'm from the Android on Kaiser project.
My Xperia X1 will receive this Friday.
Then I'ma try to get Android 1.0 to work.
0.8 already works. Tested it on a Xperia teste deviece.
But don't know if 0.9 1.0 works.
More infor hopefully this weekend.
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As you'll may know. I'm from the Android on Kaiser project.
My Xperia X1 will receive this Friday.
Then I'ma try to get Android 1.0 to work.
0.8 already works. Tested it on a Xperia teste deviece.
But don't know if 0.9 1.0 works.
More infor hopefully this weekend.
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Wahey! nice one Xmoo
Very nice information, please keep us updated!
wow allready?? sounds sweet. But how did you flash it onto the phone?
ill buy the x1 only if andriod fully works?! because this combi will rock i hope any1 know what how en when?
Android will never fully work on the X1 because android needs a multitouch enabled display which the X1 doesnt have.
So it will always be somewhat limited...anyway, will be nice to try it out. I dont think there is an Anroid only ROM yet, afaik all the running Android versions on WM phones have to be started through WM.
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Android will never fully work on the X1 because android needs a multitouch enabled display which the X1 doesnt have.
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This statement just doesn't make any sense.
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This statement just doesn't make any sense.
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What about a reason why it doesnt make sense in your opinion ?
The t-mobile G1 has a capactive display that features multitouch, like the Iphone.
WM phones like the X1 or any other HTC WM Phone have traditional touch displays that dont support multitouch, so you would never be able to use android apps that need multitouch to work, or atleast cant use some of the features.
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What about a reason why it doesnt make sense in your opinion ?
The t-mobile G1 has a capactive display that features multitouch, like the Iphone.
WM phones like the X1 or any other HTC WM Phone have traditional touch displays that dont support multitouch, so you would never be able to use android apps that need multitouch to work, or atleast cant use some of the features.
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He's probably right. Android itself is just an OS/platform and it's has no limit on what kind of touch panel you use.
Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know the G1 hasn't got multitouch. The captive touchscreen will most likely support it however this feature has yet to be implemented. As far as the avrage consumer concerns, it does not support multi-touch. Hence stating that android needs full multi-touch capability to work properly would be wrong, as I and probably you too consider the G1 fully functional.
well the screen DOES support multi-touch and the apps will come sooner or later.
Anyway, didnt want to spoil the fun, would also love to check that out, just wanted to point that out.
Got My Phone!!!
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Got My Phone!!!
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get on with it then, watchawaitinfor
ahh, I can't wait till the android comes out on this phone. Hope the porting goes smoothly.
Well its very nice to see ANDROID running on VOGUE..!!!
Can any developer help in running this on the ELF, we ELF users would really appreciate the help..!!!
MOD's please consider this as a desperate plea & don't close the thread..!!!
Thank you..!!!
Sorry, man... you guys are OMAP, not MSM. Plus with your RAM/ROM space it'd be pretty crummy performance. Half the system (the /data partition anyway) would have to reside on sd, and while android is pretty fast for us even from sd, we have twice the RAM.
So, all in all, I don't see it being practical.
I am curious sorry for being lazy and not searching around, what HTC GSM phones that didn't come native with Android are able to run android? for instance: Diamond, Nike? etc...
Thanx,
Nas
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Well its very nice to see ANDROID running on VOGUE..!!!
Can any developer help in running this on the ELF, we ELF users would really appreciate the help..!!!
MOD's please consider this as a desperate plea & don't close the thread..!!!
Thank you..!!!
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This would be difficult:
1. The ELF runs the OMAP chip as mentioned. This makes it incompatible without a lot of extra work.
2. Google/HTC already did a lot of the platform setup for the MSM chips (granted dzo had to rewrite a lot of it). Having to rewrite this code is time consuming.
3. No developers have an ELF. If you can provide one, and can get a dev to champion it, you may see support. It takes a lot of trial and error (i.e. debugging) to bring Linux up on a new device. Support on the Vogue took a year.
4. The Droid technically runs an OMAP processor, but it's several generations ahead of yours.
masalma said:
I am curious sorry for being lazy and not searching around, what HTC GSM phones that didn't come native with Android are able to run android? for instance: Diamond, Nike? etc...
Thanx,
Nas
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In our class of devices:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=801&c=htc_touch_cruise_p3650_htc_polaris_100
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=736&c=htc_touch_dual_p5500_htc_nike_100
Both of these devices are supported by our Android tree (i.e. Myn's Warm Donut). Several people around here run on the Polaris and Nike.
Polaris I think is the better supported device. Not sure about the Nike.
The GSM on the HTC Diamond is further along than CDMA. There's active development there.
Try Wing Linux. Its Not Recent but they have managed to get android running.
Can the memory on the phonepart (vm6.1) of the HTC SHIFT be larger ? (Without SD-cart)
im also
wondering the same thing???
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wondering the same thing???
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Is this site totally dead
Why not read the thread currently directly below yours titled 'Shifts Ram'?
i think what we mean
on the hardisk can u make the winmo more bigger is that possible?
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Why not read the thread currently directly below yours titled 'Shifts Ram'?
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Because its not RAM iam missing, its place/space to programs
A MOBILE SHELL cant be inst. because its to large
shifts ram chip
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491109&highlight=ftoz
Hi i am interesting in it. I find chip and his replacement one. The big problem is that ram and flash disk is on one chip and when y replace it, have device without any software, any bootloader. I dont know, if its possible to flash some soft from win7 to absolutly clean chip.I admire shift with 256MB rom, it will be good for this device dou to lock 3d. I cant find if msm7200 support it, but hope that yes, msm7201a have normaly 256MB ram
To upgrade Shift Rom/ram will need a new enabled rom to read new size memory chips and obviously a new set of chips compatible.
I dont know about wiping all memory would erase bootloader too dont think but in case will need to comunicate with msm xscale directly.
Maybe someone that is here since 2 years ago will remember this has been done to Universal device.
look here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM
Good days Mamaich!
But shift is no univerzal, look at pictures on open shift. ram and flash rom memory(for winmobile) is interrated in one chip. If y wish change ram memory, must change flash rom memory. samsung usually made double size rom/ram. It means that y want 256MB ram, it have 512 MB rom. but this chip must be supported by chipset
have anyone msm7200 service chip specification? I see some publicity specification, but there was nothing about ram support
Is it possible a Windows Phone 7 ROM for Topaz?
In the conference, seems WP7 is pretty amazing...
From what I understand, our phones don't have enough horsepower to run WP7. Gotta have at least a 1ghz processor. There are other requirements also but I can't remember them.
yeah true, but do we really need 1ghz. There is always the option, that most topaz users, would not want the entire OS, rather few things from it. Then i dont think we need 1GHZ.
What do you think?
I think the 1GHz and 576mb RAM is needed for Xbox life.Those new HTC phones will play most of Xbox360 games http://www.htc.com/europe/product/7trophy/overview.html
With ours Htc diamonds 2 we can't play xbox game ,but i think all other parts from os will be operating normally like as wm6.5.
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I think the 1GHz and 576mb RAM is needed for Xbox life.Those new HTC phones will play most of Xbox360 games http://www.htc.com/europe/product/7trophy/overview.html
With ours Htc diamonds 2 we can't play xbox game ,but i think all other parts from os will be operating normally like as wm6.5.
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I don't think you will be able to play 360 games in WM7, you can access and update information on your xbox live account, and talk to friends, etc, but you wont be able to play your 360 games on your phone, windows phone 7 has its own games coming to it....
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I don't think you will be able to play 360 games in WM7, you can access and update information on your xbox live account, and talk to friends, etc, but you wont be able to play your 360 games on your phone, windows phone 7 has its own games coming to it....
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Maybe,but watch the trailer for HTC HD7 ,there the show real game play maybe i'm wrong ,but think about it.Sony has portable console -PSP ,but Xbox doesn't so, with those phone with those parameters Xbox have a portable console and it's on your phone ,but we will see when someone buy one of those HTC with wm7 and will share his experience
It's been answered many times in main WP7 thread, strict hardware requirements are needed more, if performance is not a matter, there must exist another WP7 device with a similar Qualcomm MSM7200 platform to extract drivers from.
The simple answer is NO and I really doubt there would be one.
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It's been answered many times in main WP7 thread, strict hardware requirements are needed more, if performance is not a matter, there must exist another WP7 device with a similar Qualcomm MSM7200 platform to extract drivers from.
The simple answer is NO and I really doubt there would be one.
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I must say by the standart no....But I know that the wp7 UI seems a low ram eater. We just need some awesome hackers that extract the basic rom and place all the features except for some like the xbox part in a rom we could use. Manilla 2.5 or sense was developed for hd2 and where using it. I beleive ut could be done. I think this requirements where made to bring the best of the phone and don't be stuck behind the lame and false publisity of the iphone.
...just we have to wait for WM7 kitchen...
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Is it possible a Windows Phone 7 ROM for Topaz?
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Yes, it is and I'm sure that will be a WM7 ROM for Topaz.
Of course, it could be better to have 1GHz processor but don't forget that Topaz can be safely overclocked to about 700 MHz and also don't forget that there are a lot of marketing reasons to NOT encourage porting WM7 on older mobile phones.
Sorry for bring up an old thread. Just wanna say something.
From a developer standpoint nothing is completely impossible. If someone were to make a direct port from WP7 to a slower device with less ram then some modifications will need to be done to it. This could mean leaving some parts of wp7 out (which may cause instability to applications that require those features) or developing a custom version of a system file for use in WP7 for the phone in question (also may cause instability if the programmer doesn't know what he/she's doing). Obviously it's not a simple "cut and paste" from WM to WP7.
Also, I have already tried to extract a NBH rom with WP7 on it in a WM rom extractor, just to test and see if the format was the same. The formats are different. They have differences in their sections so any normal WM boot loader wouldn't be able to load a WP7 rom in a WM rom format. A solution would probably be to flash a new boot loader to support WP7 roms however this is dangerous and has a very high risk of bricking your device (after all, the one thing that can really save you from bricking your device is your boot load to flash a new rom, so messing with the boot loader itself can do your device in for good unless you have a backup boot loader just lying around).
Take these words into consideration if you're working on a port.
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Yes, it is and I'm sure that will be a WM7 ROM for Topaz.
Of course, it could be better to have 1GHz processor but don't forget that Topaz can be safely overclocked to about 700 MHz and also don't forget that there are a lot of marketing reasons to NOT encourage porting WM7 on older mobile phones.
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Could You pls share link to thread where are info regarding safety overclocking for Topaz mobile? Thanks.
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Could You pls share link to thread where are info regarding safety overclocking for Topaz mobile? Thanks.
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Just search for OCT 1.5
INFO
hmm Actually, you dont NEED a 1ghz processor, however you need a v7 instruction capable processor. TOPAZ has a v6 one, so its a no go.
On the other hand, if devs could get their hands on a the source code, remove the xbox live and strip high-requirement features then make the rom available on it should work, however WP7 was written to take advantage of v7 technology.
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hmm Actually, you dont NEED a 1ghz processor, however you need a v7 instruction capable processor. TOPAZ has a v6 one, so its a no go.
On the other hand, if devs could get their hands on a the source code, remove the xbox live and strip high-requirement features then make the rom available on it should work, however WP7 was written to take advantage of v7 technology.
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Good to read
Is windows phone 7 still not possible for Topaz?
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Is windows phone 7 still not possible for Topaz?
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No it is not possible as MS need different hardware for WP and WM devices does not fit in there except the HD2 (I love my HD2 for this).
But I dont have a HD2 and only have TD2 at present. OK I will have to stay with WinMO 6.5 till I get a new WP7 mobile
Thank you all.
DFT team has released a video of Android running on nand pro2
RHO's CPU is too slow and screen resolution too high for sense, so we decide to make pure Android ROM based on Android 2.2
youtube.com/watch?v=yOGnQ3D5IDk
wow
hey , sound good,
i hope working an topaz,too
i think they both phones have similar technical data.
i dont understand why cpu is to slow, lenin reds built with sense
run much more faster from sdcard than this nand built ????
btw good work from the DFT Team , thx
hello there. let's hope topaz, aka touch diamond2, wont be forgotten.
I'll be willing to pay for good working rom
sounds promising
waiting for more updates
Hopefully it will be working on our phones as well.
BTW, one of the comments said to be using Neopeek's android roms. Can someone post a link, I must have missed them.
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Hopefully it will be working on our phones as well.
BTW, one of the comments said to be using Neopeek's android roms. Can someone post a link, I must have missed them.
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Click here. Anyway its a little bit outdated but try it and be sure to update kernel, rootfs,...
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Click here. Anyway its a little bit outdated but try it and be sure to update kernel, rootfs,...
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Thanks!
It's indeed outdated, perhaps I should just wait.
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RHO's CPU is too slow and screen resolution too high for sense, so we decide to make pure Android ROM based on Android 2.2
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Well, i don't know if this will be the same decision for topaz. But if yes then it's a bad bad info for me
I just hate pure android and sense in android rocks!!
I also don't understand this because i have lenin build and it's fasttt from sdcard!!!
Shouldn't be even faster from nand??
Anyway thanks for all who make this possible even if it no feet my needs!!
Thank you
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Shouldn't be even faster from nand??
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AFAIK nand is not faster than sd-method. But it would allow you too get rid off winmo.
actually guys, your phone won't improve that much after NAND. believe me i'm hd2 user and i have used android since first versions based off xdandroid..
as far as speed goes, read/write is actually faster on sdcard!
only andvantage of nand is stability and power consumption, ofcourse after all quirks are polished.
qc's 528 msm's are too slow to run sense well. it can get slow even on 1ghz. wvga is too much to handle, and sense is very ram sensitive! maybe if someone could get it upscaled from hvga, but in that case it would be streched..
i also own both diamonds(I and II) and i would love to see winmo gone. but on good port like leo(feels like native device) we had advantage of few devices with same components built in and much work being already done, and i do not see wvga android with small screen and 528mhz released by htc.
i'm just being realistic here, not mean or anything else.
1 - Topaz is very small mobile phone. I am don't wants to use such big phone like HD2.
2 - Battary life in topaz is more longer
3 - It have smaler screan and that is why it is more clear.
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1 - Topaz is very small mobile phone. I am don't wants to use such big phone like HD2.
2 - Battary life in topaz is more longer
3 - It have smaler screan and that is why it is more clear.
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you misunderstood my post, i'm just tryin to say how thing are and hd2 was best example i could think of. i like my diamonds very much. first gen was really awesome on looks, but low on hardware(slow and small ram..etc).
i wish there will be some goodies from dft soon
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actually guys, your phone won't improve that much after NAND. believe me i'm hd2 user and i have used android since first versions based off xdandroid..
as far as speed goes, read/write is actually faster on sdcard!
only andvantage of nand is stability and power consumption, ofcourse after all quirks are polished.
qc's 528 msm's are too slow to run sense well. it can get slow even on 1ghz. wvga is too much to handle, and sense is very ram sensitive! maybe if someone could get it upscaled from hvga, but in that case it would be streched..
i also own both diamonds(I and II) and i would love to see winmo gone. but on good port like leo(feels like native device) we had advantage of few devices with same components built in and much work being already done, and i do not see wvga android with small screen and 528mhz released by htc.
i'm just being realistic here, not mean or anything else.
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quited d2 and joined moto defy~~~
What happened to this project??? I didn't see MAGLDR
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What happened to this project??? I didn't see MAGLDR
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It was closed-source, and I don't believe they ever made a public release. Since none of the code is available to the public, no other dev can pickup where they left off...
Crappy model to go with. Were still pushing forward with NAND using open source concepts, and RHOD is getting there (just very slowly). I'm hoping each device will have at least one dev that will step up and get the dirty work done to look towards NAND on all devices... but that hasn't happened yet. There's not even that much (developer) steam behind NAND on RHOD...
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It was closed-source, and I don't believe they ever made a public release. Since none of the code is available to the public, no other dev can pickup where they left off...
Crappy model to go with. Were still pushing forward with NAND using open source concepts, and RHOD is getting there (just very slowly). I'm hoping each device will have at least one dev that will step up and get the dirty work done to look towards NAND on all devices... but that hasn't happened yet. There's not even that much (developer) steam behind NAND on RHOD...
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I am very much upset with that you are right!