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Android 2.0 Email vs K-9

I'm about to have a G1 soon. Just would like to know, how does the built-in email app in 2.0 compares to K-9...? Which one is better in your opinions?
Thanks in advance.

I use Gmail for my personal use as it pushes the email out as soon as it arrives.
I use K-9 Mail for my work email account - there is no push - K-9 Mail can be set to check the mail at different intervals.
They both are free and they both have a few different features.
My advice - use them both for awhile and then get rid of whatever one you like the least.

Unless you're using a half-complete Eclair rom, you won't be getting 2.0 email until HTC updates their drivers.
But if you're looking for push email, Seven is a good one. It's in beta, so you have to register (but it's automatic, no waiting), but the client isn't that bad. It pushes through their servers like Google does for Gmail, and it also works for other email services like Hotmail, Yahoo, Aol, etc.

K-9 does do Push. If you connect to an IMAP server, K-9 uses the IMAP IDLE command to quietly wait for mail notification. I get notified on my phone as fast as running Thunderbird on my PC.

tdusen said:
K-9 does do Push. If you connect to an IMAP server, K-9 uses the IMAP IDLE command to quietly wait for mail notification. I get notified on my phone as fast as running Thunderbird on my PC.
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Thunderbird isn't push
But the OP was wondering about the Android 2.0 E-mail app if I am not mistaken, not the Gmail app.

Yep. It's my understanding that in 2.0 the Gmail app has been integrated into the Email app, correct?
I'm getting a G1, probably will install Cyan on it. But I don't like 2 email apps. So I wonder if there's a compelling reason to use a half-baked 2.0 on it.
Thanks to all.

tekkitan said:
Thunderbird isn't push
But the OP was wondering about the Android 2.0 E-mail app if I am not mistaken, not the Gmail app.
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I guess it depends on your definition of push.
Most people think of Push email as Instant notification. Thunderbird connected to an IMAP server provides instant notification by using the IMAP IDLE command. This does require a permanent connection to the IMAP server.
Find out more about Thunderbird and IMAP here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/IMAP
And this paper compares various methods of "Push" notifications: http://www.isode.com/whitepapers/imap-idle.html
K-9 Supports IMAP IDLE and so gives instant notification of new mail.
(I'm not the developer, just a fan)

tdusen said:
I guess it depends on your definition of push.
Most people think of Push email as Instant notification. Thunderbird connected to an IMAP server provides instant notification by using the IMAP IDLE command. This does require a permanent connection to the IMAP server.
Find out more about Thunderbird and IMAP here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/IMAP
And this paper compares various methods of "Push" notifications: http://www.isode.com/whitepapers/imap-idle.html
K-9 Supports IMAP IDLE and so gives instant notification of new mail.
(I'm not the developer, just a fan)
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I wasn't aware Thunderbird did that, I don't use it as such, not really a big fan of it. I point all my personal domains e-mail to Gmail
edit: I also tried k-9 for another one of my accounts. Didn't like it that much. The interface was mostly annoying to me.

My phone was out of storage so anytime I wanted to install a new program, I had to uninstall an old one. I installed Diskusage to see what was causing it and K9 mail was taking 95MB. I deleted all messages from the trash and inbox folder and it was the same. I uninstalled it and reinstalled it and it is now normal. Any ideas why K9 mail was taking so much storage?

Definitive Thread - Exchange on Android

It seems that number of people who need Exchange support (via work or school) is growing.
This thread will provide definitive information about status of Exchange on various builds and brief reviews of Exchange apps available on the market.
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Stuff to come:
Exchange on Eclair
2- Exchange on Tattoo
3- Exchange on Hero

Well, 'full' exchange works on tattoo and hero, that's for sure. Myn tried to port the Eclair mail app to donut but the were a lot of lib requirements that made the system slow.
Of course, by full here I mean mail, calendar, contacts. I don't really use tasks so I haven't tracked that between builds.

Email works fine with the "Work Email" app using MYN's Warm Donut Release 3. I haven't been able to test Calendar with anything. (haven't found a free app for that)

I tried the Work Email in Myn's build. Occasionally, I get "sync protocol error." I had to manually refresh the email time to time in order to receive the email.
I gave up using Work Email. Instead, I use Gmail to pull my work email via POP3. I found when I reply my work email in gmail app, it correctly uses my work email address to send instead of my gmail address (just like the desktop version).
I found this is a good compromise because I only need one email app running which saves battery. The only problem is that gmail pulls the work email every hour or so.

What, if any, is the difference between Push mail and exchange mail?
What service is delivering my Gmail to the phone almost instantaneously? My main email account was with Yahoo. But Yahoo Mail required a periodic refreshing(hourly or whatever). I paid Yahoo $10 to upgrade and then I forwarded my Yahoo Mail to my Gmail account.
I signed in with my Gmail account on Android. Now I get my emails almost instantly from both addresses.....I assume this is using the "Push mail" feature of Android and Gmail. What are the benefits of "exchange mail" and do you need to have your Email running from MS Outlook on a desktop to utilize "exchange mail"?

slow88lx said:
What, if any, is the difference between Push mail and exchange mail?
What service is delivering my Gmail to the phone almost instantaneously? My main email account was with Yahoo. But Yahoo Mail required a periodic refreshing(hourly or whatever). I paid Yahoo $10 to upgrade and then I forwarded my Yahoo Mail to my Gmail account.
I signed in with my Gmail account on Android. Now I get my emails almost instantly from both addresses.....I assume this is using the "Push mail" feature of Android and Gmail. What are the benefits of "exchange mail" and do you need to have your Email running from MS Outlook on a desktop to utilize "exchange mail"?
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Push mail is part of ActiveSync. Google licensed ActiveSync from Microsoft so that WinMo users could use the built-in ActiveSync on their phones to get their gmail and google calendar. With the work email app on android, you can choose to download mail items as they arrive which I assume is using the Microsoft 'push' functionality. I don't know how they work it with the gmail app.

I have been using Touchdown. It has worked great, very easy setup.
Syncs everything, mail, contacts, calender, tasks.

Mail, calendar, contacts work on mssmison's new eclair (non-sense) build.

mrkite38 said:
Mail, calendar, contacts work on mssmison's new eclair (non-sense) build.
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Moxier Mail is also a great solution. MUCH better interface than Touchdown IMO

mrkite38 said:
Mail, calendar, contacts work on mssmison's new eclair (non-sense) build.
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I tried taking the Corporate Calendar from that and running it in Warm-Donut but it won't install

Anybody have any luck getting Exchange connectivity to work with mssmision's 1.4 build on a vogue?
Data is working fine for me, but "unable to open connection to server" whenever I try to set it up.
Gmail sync seems to work fine.
Connecting to exchange 2003, with no SSL.
*seems like I got it working it working by messing around with turning SSL on and off, and re-entering various details. It's syncing now

I have had challenges receiving messages with 1.2-1.4, but original 1.1 ported over to 240 works very well.

seanmcd72 said:
I tried taking the Corporate Calendar from that and running it in Warm-Donut but it won't install
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Corp calendar is only for 2.0.1 onwards, whereas Myn's s 1.6 - it won't run. Try moxier mail which is equally good.

seanmcd72 said:
Email works fine with the "Work Email" app using MYN's Warm Donut Release 3. I haven't been able to test Calendar with anything. (haven't found a free app for that)
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does the 'work email' app only work for over the air connections? the exchange server at work only creates partnerships on 'hard connections'
thanks in advance

OK so i have tried moxier mail, work email, and roadsync, all three seem to use OTA (over the air) sync partnership only.
is there any app out there that uses USB connection to establish a partnership for exchange? or better yet, is there a WinXP driver someplace for the 'android phone' that i can install?
i have this one bump and i can go android 100% any help is greatly appreciated.

piperthedj said:
does the 'work email' app only work for over the air connections? the exchange server at work only creates partnerships on 'hard connections'
thanks in advance
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Not sure about that - I wouldn't think it matters if you could actually make a direct connection via usb...

piperthedj said:
OK so i have tried moxier mail, work email, and roadsync, all three seem to use OTA (over the air) sync partnership only.
is there any app out there that uses USB connection to establish a partnership for exchange? or better yet, is there a WinXP driver someplace for the 'android phone' that i can install?
i have this one bump and i can go android 100% any help is greatly appreciated.
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usb networking doesn't work yet, so no.

piperthedj said:
OK so i have tried moxier mail, work email, and roadsync, all three seem to use OTA (over the air) sync partnership only.
is there any app out there that uses USB connection to establish a partnership for exchange? or better yet, is there a WinXP driver someplace for the 'android phone' that i can install?
i have this one bump and i can go android 100% any help is greatly appreciated.
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OK so i get USB is out for the time. got a suggestion from an other board to place the enterprise security certificate in the android folder.
more questions
1. will this replace the need to create a partnership via USB?
2. where should it go to even begin to attempt to see if it works?
thanks again

This thread is long dead, but just for the record - starting in FroYo (2.2), android has native support for email / calendar / contacts.

acegolfer said:
I tried the Work Email in Myn's build. Occasionally, I get "sync protocol error." I had to manually refresh the email time to time in order to receive the email.
I gave up using Work Email. Instead, I use Gmail to pull my work email via POP3. I found when I reply my work email in gmail app, it correctly uses my work email address to send instead of my gmail address (just like the desktop version).
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one thing folks need to understand is that there are some companies (the one i work for for example) who have every exchange security protocol imaginable in place and are not willing to reset for people. this produces problems as with this situation as active-sync is required for a hard line connection to install the security software on your device (3 min security time out- needs to be unlocked more often than typical) and using gmail as a redirector is not a viable option as those features are "not supported'
many of the 'exchange clients' on the market today rely on OTA delivery and security to be in place. IMO there is no true solution to exchange mail for android. there are fixes for calendar and contacts witch is a step in the right direction... but not a 1-fix-it-solution. i have been looking for one for over a year and there is nothing to be done till google and M$ get together and have a pow-wow or sort out what-is-what with security.
YES, there are many good attempts out there but none to help the fully secure.

[Help] Which e-Mail App Do I Use?

On Cyanogen's ROM, there's 2 email apps. One called eMail and the other is Work Email. I want to sync my school email to the phone. So, I don't want it taking them off the server but just copying them. Anyway let me know which one I should be using, and maybe what's different about them?
I'd usually forward to my Gmail but my school filters out forwarded mail to Gmail.

You should use eMail for the task. Work Mail is to connect to exchange server.
My suggestion is K9 Mail. You can download from Market, and it has much more features than stock eMail app.

There is no free Mail app for Android I tried so far that I could say I like.
GMail app misses some important GMail functions, eMail app never ever shows me notifications even though I enabled them, Work eMail is exchange only with nearly no options and K9 has graphical, usability and speed issues.
Maybe I should try Touchdown Exchange for my University Mail (which uses exchange).
Are there any other Mail apps someone could recommend?

Hotmail Syncing

Sorry if this has been addressed already, but I thought it relevant so I'm posting it here. I've always used just my GMail account with the native app and it's worked fine so I never really bothered with my Hotmail account since it's only POP mail and I feel that having it poll my Inbox every 15mins drains the battery heavily. But I read this morning that they've just started rolling out the new Windows Live Hotmail Wave 4 today, which includes Exchange ActiveSync support for Push email and Account syncing for Calendar and Contacts.
As it's being rolled out in clusters, my account hasn't been upgraded yet. But I decided to try to set up my account to Push anyways and it seems like it's working fine.
If you want to do the same in the Stock Email App, Add a New Account. Then input your Email Address and Password then hit the Manual Setup button and Select Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync and use these settings:
Domain\Username: \username@hotmail.com
Password: password
Server: m.hotmail.com
Use Secure Connection (SSL): Yes
Accept all SSL Certificates: No
hit Next, then make sure the Email Check Frequency is set to Automatic (Push) and then just set your other sync options. (I've only synced mail since my contacts and calendar are synced with GMail).
I'm sure some things will change when my account actually gets the upgrade, but for now, it's basically all I need.
Full Disclosure: I'm on 2.2 and using the stock Email App for this. I don't know how this will impact 2.1 or if you're using K9 or Touchdown, etc. so feel free to post you results.

Just tried your settings with the 2.1 email app and it's no go.

Just tested...
...and it works! Running 2.2 (FRF50).
Even though I rarely use it and that it's mostly used for pretty useless mail it's still nice that it works, finally.

prettyboy85712 said:
Just tried your settings with the 2.1 email app and it's no go.
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Using stock 2.1 update 1, it works except there's no calendar option(should only available in 2.2), but the server is not very stable, need a few more retry to connect

Must be why it failed then.

2.2 you can add with out having to change any settings.

Do you know the setting to use in any other apps? The stock mail app doesnt allow showing html pictures, so i'd prefer to use k-9 or touchdown...
THANKS!!
theletterj said:
Sorry if this has been addressed already, but I thought it relevant so I'm posting it here. I've always used just my GMail account with the native app and it's worked fine so I never really bothered with my Hotmail account since it's only POP mail and I feel that having it poll my Inbox every 15mins drains the battery heavily. But I read this morning that they've just started rolling out the new Windows Live Hotmail Wave 4 today, which includes Exchange ActiveSync support for Push email and Account syncing for Calendar and Contacts.
As it's being rolled out in clusters, my account hasn't been upgraded yet. But I decided to try to set up my account to Push anyways and it seems like it's working fine.
If you want to do the same in the Stock Email App, Add a New Account. Then input your Email Address and Password then hit the Manual Setup button and Select Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync and use these settings:
Domain\Username: \username(at)hotmail(.dot)com
Password: password
Server: m(.dot)hotmail(.dot)com
Use Secure Connection (SSL): Yes
Accept all SSL Certificates: No
hit Next, then make sure the Email Check Frequency is set to Automatic (Push) and then just set your other sync options. (I've only synced mail since my contacts and calendar are synced with GMail).
I'm sure some things will change when my account actually gets the upgrade, but for now, it's basically all I need.
Full Disclosure: I'm on 2.2 and using the stock Email App for this. I don't know how this will impact 2.1 or if you're using K9 or Touchdown, etc. so feel free to post you results.
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Worked for me on 2.1 email app. Now, how do I get a widget to show me the unread count?

Finally MS do something useful to their antiquated service!

Tried it, but doesn't work (yet)
Do you get an e-mail when your account is upgraded?

Guess that is cool if it works, but you can only have 1 Exchange Activesync account on any device...that includes iPhone, WinMo etc...

Has this stopped working for anyone? I'm just getting 'unable to connect to server' now.

Same here, getting the "Unable to open connection to server."-message now.
The wierd thing is that yesterday I got the little yellow bar up top in Hotmail telling me to restart the browser to try the new version (which is what actually got me to try this) but nothing really changed, rollback?

Rusty! said:
Has this stopped working for anyone? I'm just getting 'unable to connect to server' now.
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Can confirm this
techlogik said:
Guess that is cool if it works, but you can only have 1 Exchange Activesync account on any device...that includes iPhone, WinMo etc...
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Technically true, but two Push accounts can be accomplished on both Android & WinMo(windows live + exchange)

For us with X10's who are stuck with version 1.6 of Android,
What are the settings to get this working in K9? Has anyone successfully got it working with that mail prog?
Thanks!

Still not working here. Go Microsoft

Small update:
My Hotmail account was upgraded to Wave 4 this morning... Hotmail via Exchange? Still no go. It worked for about an hour back on 17th June, and nothing since.

Well it's all working again now

so its real push service?
if yes i need try this
i wa susing SEVEN but lack of html =(

Yes, it's proper push.

[Q] IMAP Push email on Mail app ?

Is there is no support for PUSH email through IMAP on the stock mail app ? I've been using K9 and while K9 works great, the UI on the mail app looks more pleasing and easier to navigate than K9. I'd like to migrate my work email to it, but only if I can get push.
I'm leaning towards its not possible through IMAP because I couldn't find anything while in the settings, but it's worth a shot to ask.
Anyone know ?

efox29 said:
Is there is no support for PUSH email through IMAP on the stock mail app ? I've been using K9 and while K9 works great, the UI on the mail app looks more pleasing and easier to navigate than K9. I'd like to migrate my work email to it, but only if I can get push.
I'm leaning towards its not possible through IMAP because I couldn't find anything while in the settings, but it's worth a shot to ask.
Anyone know ?
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The stock HTC mail app has always supported this, so I'd be very surprised if anything has changed. Sounds like you already have the IMAP setup within your e-mail account, so you just add a new account and choose "Other (POP3/IMAP)" from the options and enter your particulars. Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync is also supported.

wnp_79 said:
The stock HTC mail app has always supported this, so I'd be very surprised if anything has changed. Sounds like you already have the IMAP setup within your e-mail account, so you just add a new account and choose "Other (POP3/IMAP)" from the options and enter your particulars. Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync is also supported.
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Doesnt work. On K9 it works flawlessly. With the mail app it doesnt.
The ONLY thing it could be, is my understanding of what SmarySync does. I've tried varies combinations of peak and off peak. But there is no push option. Its either smart sync, or some interval (every 5mins, 30mins, 1h etc..). With smart sync enabledd, it takes minimum 5 mins before I get a notification that I have an email. lol...thats the most laziest 'push' ive ever seen if that is what htc is calling push email. lol
Anyone get a non Google and non Microsoft Exchange email account added with working push ?

bump

I'm not entirely sure if this has changed but it used to be that POP and IMAP were client-based protocols meaning that the client initiates the act of message retrieval and the server sends messages as they're requested. Push requires a server initiated connection or at least would have to have a way to ping the client to make sure it's still available. Hopefully someone who knows more will chime in to confirm this or correct me where I'm wrong...

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Doesnt work. On K9 it works flawlessly. With the mail app it doesnt.
The ONLY thing it could be, is my understanding of what SmarySync does. I've tried varies combinations of peak and off peak. But there is no push option. Its either smart sync, or some interval (every 5mins, 30mins, 1h etc..). With smart sync enabledd, it takes minimum 5 mins before I get a notification that I have an email. lol...thats the most laziest 'push' ive ever seen if that is what htc is calling push email. lol
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Far as I know, push doesn't work with the stock mail app. Smartsync just extends the sync interval when you don't use the mail app for a while.