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Do you still like your G1?[and a few generic android questions]

Hi guys,
I'm currently a touch HD user, but I'm getting fed up with the slow ass stuff, so I'm planning on switching over to an Android phone.
Basicly, I've got three choices; T-mobile Pulse, G1 or the Samsung Galaxy Spica.
The way I see it, is that the G1 is far out the most customizable and actually has a qwerty, while the Samsung has a better screen, 3.5mm jack,
a camera key and the 800mhz cpu.
So that's the introduction, now the questions:
1. Do you still like your G1? As in, anything you really hate about it or something?
2. Does the standard android[I believe the Samsung runs on 1.5], have an application which can show the next appointments on [a] today screen?
3. Do you really ''feel'' the thickness of a G1 when it's in your [jeans] pocket?
4. Will the G1 be updateable to 2.0? As I read somewhere that 2.0 is supposedly too large or something.
5. Any reasons you'd pick a certain one?

I bought a G1 a few days ago, so I guess I'll explain my choice:
1: I love it, I only hate the stupid lack of 3.5 jack, and I dislike the camera quality: it's as ****ty as my old HTC Trinity
2: on cyanogen since the 1st day so can't answer
3: no, the size is absolutely not an issue for me, had it in my pocket all day
4: I think so, with apps2sd the size is not really an issue
5: I took the G1 because:
A/ It has a nice usable keyboard
B/ It is the better supported device in terms of hacks, devs, etc...
C/ It is the oldest and was poorly released in France (bugs in the original firmware, bad keyboard layout) so non-techy users didn't like it that much and the price is quite cheap for a second hand device

benoitb85 said:
I bought a G1 a few days ago, so I guess I'll explain my choice:
1: I love it, I only hate the stupid lack of 3.5 jack, and I dislike the camera quality: it's as ****ty as my old HTC Trinity
2: on cyanogen since the 1st day so can't answer
3: no, the size is absolutely not an issue for me, had it in my pocket all day
4: I think so, with apps2sd the size is not really an issue
5: I took the G1 because:
A/ It has a nice usable keyboard
B/ It is the better supported device in terms of hacks, devs, etc...
C/ It is the oldest and was poorly released in France (bugs in the original firmware, bad keyboard layout) so non-techy users didn't like it that much and the price is quite cheap for a second hand device
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I agree with everything benoitb85 said above. As for question #2, I believe the Calendar widget is exactly what you are asking for. Just put the widget on your screen and it shows the next thing on your calendar. Then you can tap the widget to bring up the calendar proper. And that is on the Cyanogen mod, and any version of the OS, really. I also highly recommend Cyanogens mod if you get an Android phone.

Personally, I wouldn't get the G1 now. I still like it a lot, but I'm afraid that if you get it now, you'll feel like it's outdated rather soon. Mostly because of the limited RAM, newer phones just have more of it. Plus, there are new phones coming out with faster processors, like the galaxy spica. But, again, I really like mine! Anyway, that answers your first question. As for the others:
2. I'm pretty sure there's an app for that.
3. Yeah, not really moreso than my previous phone (xperia / kovsky), but a lot moreso than the phone I had before that (samsung x820, but then again, that one was 6.9mm thick).
4. It most likely will be, and if not, cyanogen might rescue us!
5. If I had to buy one now, out of those three, I'd go with the galaxy spica, because of the faster processor and more RAM. Then again, I really like having that keyboard. It's really up to you!

Sasimi said:
Hi guys,
I'm currently a touch HD user, but I'm getting fed up with the slow ass stuff, so I'm planning on switching over to an Android phone.
Basicly, I've got three choices; T-mobile Pulse, G1 or the Samsung Galaxy Spica.
The way I see it, is that the G1 is far out the most customizable and actually has a qwerty, while the Samsung has a better screen, 3.5mm jack,
a camera key and the 800mhz cpu.
So that's the introduction, now the questions:
1. Do you still like your G1? As in, anything you really hate about it or something?
2. Does the standard android[I believe the Samsung runs on 1.5], have an application which can show the next appointments on [a] today screen?
3. Do you really ''feel'' the thickness of a G1 when it's in your [jeans] pocket?
4. Will the G1 be updateable to 2.0? As I read somewhere that 2.0 is supposedly too large or something.
5. Any reasons you'd pick a certain one?
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1. i kinda like my g1,but i am spoiled by the new gen of android phones...i actually hate the lame ram specs(192mb) and i actuallywouldnt buy a g1 NOW since the g1 is pretty much dying IMMO..u should really look into the motorola dext(i assume u live in the UK) devs over at another website are REALLY REALLY CLOSE on rooting the device. the motorola dext/cliq is really not a well designed phone on the outside,but the internals are beast. or the htc hero and htc magic 32a if u dont mind having a full touch phone. i know there a better phones,but the only devices i can think of with root access is the g1/dream , hero, magic/mytouch , and cliq is almost there.
2 there is plenty of calendar apps that will do this
3. i personally down mind the thickness of the g1,but i always carry mine in my hand and hardly put it in my pocket.
4.OFFICIALLY the 2.0 update is too large for the g1,but unofficially i am sure devs can get a good enough 2.0 rom that runs well as 1.6. BUT! i can alrdy see getting 2.0 working well on the g1 compared to other phones will be a chore since the g1 wont be getting the 2.0 and devs would need to do do alot of custom work to get the needed missing. idk how to explain it ..i looked into 2.0 and can just see things.
5. pick one of what? i ASSUME u live in uk since u thought abt getting the tmobile pulse...i alrdy suggested the phones u should really consider in answer 1.

Sasimi said:
1. Do you still like your G1? As in, anything you really hate about it or something?
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It is still the best phone available, if that answers your question.
2. Does the standard android[I believe the Samsung runs on 1.5], have an application which can show the next appointments on [a] today screen?
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Yes.
3. Do you really ''feel'' the thickness of a G1 when it's in your [jeans] pocket?
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What thickness? EVERYTHING in this physical reality has three dimensions WITHOUT EXCEPTION, so everything has "thickness". If you are asking if you can feel that it is there, yes, you can feel that it is there. If you are asking if it is bothersome... no. Not in the slightest.
4. Will the G1 be updateable to 2.0?
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You would have to ask tmobile about that.
As I read somewhere that 2.0 is supposedly too large or something.
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I am REALLY getting tired of all the people who go around believing all the chicken little's.
a) 2.0 is *NOT* too large.
b) DREAM has *TONS* of space available.
c) There are *TONS* of unused optimizations that can *DRASTICALLY* reduce the size of a system image.
d) 2.0 *ALREADY RUNS* on DREAM.
5. Any reasons you'd pick a certain one?
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physical keyboard beats everything without one.

Thanks for all the responses, I'm unfortunately from the Netherlands and the CLiq/DEXT still isn't released here.[no idea when it will be released either.] So currently I'm leaning on the Spica, but that has no support whatsoever.
Oh, with thickness, I meant well, you know, the dimension after height and width.

What is the Best Android Phone?

My experience is only with a G1 - what is state of the art these days? I would probably want a real keyboard.
Thanks for any advice.

I think this is all about opinion though, so in my opinion, it would be the Nexus One. If you want to know what might be the best Android phone that hasn't been released yet, I would say the HTC Desire, but again, it's just my opinion.

Anartic said:
I think this is all about opinion though, so in my opinion, it would be the Nexus One. If you want to know what might be the best Android phone that hasn't been released yet, I would say the HTC Desire, but again, it's just my opinion.
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Neither have a QWERTY keyboard, right? Any thoughts on a phone with a real QWERTY keyboard?

there are none wich are up to date with android 2.1 :<
there is this LG phone but it still runs 1.5, and the x10 mini pro will also only run 1.5
wtb HTC device with keyboard and 2.1!

well theres the droid, but its not htc.
It should be getting 2.1 soon.

coredalae said:
there are none wich are up to date with android 2.1 :<
there is this LG phone but it still runs 1.5, and the x10 mini pro will also only run 1.5
wtb HTC device with keyboard and 2.1!
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wait for the nexus enterprise

I like querty want to see a phone with an actual keyboard too.
The G1 is definitely an awesome phone but can not last forever as newer and better Roms are officially released.
I don't think these companies understand that not everyone wants an all touch screen phone.
Hopeful to see a decent, rootable replacement for the Dream sometime in the near future.

.. Is the milestone ... Outdated ?

i am about to buy a smartphone (for the first time since my dumbphone SE W595)
and i want something perfect that'll stay with me like 2 years or so
i checked all of the new phones (Desire + n1 + Galaxy S and millions!) and honestly even with all these teachy stuff and zippy processor .. i didn't like a phone more than the Milestone
Big screen + QWERTY keyboard + pretty good camera for a go-go price !
but .. it was released on the end of 2009 and have a 550MHz (though it can be overclocked anytime) and that locked bootloader (ugh!)
wat i want on a phone is 1-watch movies & videos , 2-loading my almost 5500 set of music in it 3- hardcore 3D gaming , 4-good camera , 5-QWERTY (regular teenager stuff) and Android !
is it really the right phone for me or i should wait for something better (e.g Milestone 2?) (as the international Droid 2) ?
Regards , Mike

I would wait, the milestone has been out for a while now and there should be some new models coming out soon. If I were you I would wait for a new qwerty android phone to be released.

I would also wait. The droid does sound like the perfect phone for you, but the thing is, all the stuff you really look forward to doing kills your battery. I have a rooted droid clocked at 1ghz. Battery life really isn't that great, but overall i sincerely love the phone.

I would wait, too...I have the Milestone, is a really great phone (as you said, big screen+QWERTY is just perfect) but buying it now is pointless, in my opinion. I would suggest to wait for new devices similar to the Milestone to come out and then make a choose.
And the camera isn't that great, really.

Thanks everyone
.. is there any great phones (or leaks) with QWERTYs in the next few weeks which are non-Motorola ? i mean is there any leaks ? (other than that ugly HTC Vision) ?
damn i wish we had a GSM version of HTC Incredible .. it's a perfect phone (only missing a keyboard though)

somebody told me girlfriends are like mobile phones, you only wish for a new and better one, as to what you have.
so there's nothing new about your dilemma.i'd suggest you go for it, because new would come but then it's price will delay or postpone you a prized possession. secondly, nowadays a mobile phone is more worthy if it it's most popular in hacking community, like Xperia X1, in my sane mind i'd never suggest this phone to anyone, but imagine ubuntu and android along with Winmo, the phone is a must have. And my dearest SE P1i.
Go for it, you'd never regret a moment of it am already looking for Xperia X1 and Milestone (second or even third hand).

yeah , your right .. but the thing is .. back in 2008 (when i only knew dumbphones and smartphones prices were a blast) i bought my beloved and now stolen SE w595 .. just a couple a days later , Here Comes SE w902 & samsung i8510 .. a better camera + bigger screen .. stuff
Honestly i felt like my new w595 was turned into bull****! i dont want that to happen next if i buy a milestone
but when i think about it .. it was out for a year .. is there really something new coming ? all the good damn phones comes to the US (droid incredible , samsung epic 4G) while leaving us lay in the dust
everytime i try to convinve myself to buy the milestone by saying (i'm just a teenager .. why would i need a 1GHz CPU and stuff like that ?) but honestly i just can't help it .. for god's sake the galaxy spica is faster than that !
beside that locked bootloader .. when i thought about it for like 2 minutes i say what's the joy having an android when you can't root it/install ROMs ? because back in the days when i had the w595 i used to change themes & flash menus like a maniac !
i've decided to wait for a non-Motorola device , i've taken myself a hour to think about it .. that's my decision .. Thanks everyone !

I literally just picked up the Milestone on Telus two days ago, and don't regret it. It's pretty sweet, and I don't see the Droid X or the Incredible coming (I assume you're in Canada, as you're looking at the Milestone..) any time soon up here.
With the customization and rooting available, it's a pretty sweet phone.
Just me though. Good luck with picking a phone.

The driod 2 is released any day now but I wonder how long we have to wait for a milestone 2
Edit: I bought my Milestone 2 weeks ago. And I love it.

it will outdated in term of operating system, currently we only get android 2.1 which everybody already has 2.2
and next time 3.0 released we can only bite our nail ^^

it will be soon!

Hi guys, actually i've more or less pretty decided to get the milestone already due to it's nice form factor and android, also pretty much i'd like to have a qwerty keyboard for a change.
I'm currently rocking a HD2, and i don't intend to sell it yet. But was interested in android after running froyo 2.2 and sense desire build on it. So i was like pretty much wanting to get an adroid device to play with and see how it goes. No suitable options in the marketplace for nexus 1 and it's way over my budget, i reckon i can get a milestone (brand new) over here in sg for around 550 Singapore Dollars, so i thought i get it! (TODAY, LOL)
So i thought i'd pop by xda for trusted opinions and rooting possibilities, and i'm faced with little support for the milestone as compared to the crazy HD2 forum, LOL. So i'm wondering is it possible to root my milestone? And what do you guys mean by bootloader locked? And why? Pardon me as i'm pretty new to android, had a g1 in the past, but didn't play much with it and sold it, now i'm back! Haha.
I'd appreciate any links to other sites for help and more info and prolly more support than what we're getting here? If you feel uneasy to post, you could pm me. Thanks!!
Any issues i must take note of with buying milestone? Since i read some had wifi and baseband issues, D-pad down button is bad etc. LOL. And the droid's back cover is loose, not sure about the milestone though. Plus is there really a huge difference in droid and milestone when it comes to development/rooting/flashing roms etc.?
The only difference i know of currently is one's CDMA the other's GSM and the droid doesn't support multi-touch natively until the updated the software as well as the droid has got fm radio?
Oh ya, there's no wireless teethering on milestone? Meaning my laptop uses my phone's network?!
Appreciate all advice!!
Sorry for uber long posts!

gabriel.twl said:
Hi guys, actually i've more or less pretty decided to get the milestone already due to it's nice form factor and android, also pretty much i'd like to have a qwerty keyboard for a change.
I'm currently rocking a HD2, and i don't intend to sell it yet. But was interested in android after running froyo 2.2 and sense desire build on it. So i was like pretty much wanting to get an adroid device to play with and see how it goes. No suitable options in the marketplace for nexus 1 and it's way over my budget, i reckon i can get a milestone (brand new) over here in sg for around 550 Singapore Dollars, so i thought i get it! (TODAY, LOL)
So i thought i'd pop by xda for trusted opinions and rooting possibilities, and i'm faced with little support for the milestone as compared to the crazy HD2 forum, LOL. So i'm wondering is it possible to root my milestone? And what do you guys mean by bootloader locked? And why? Pardon me as i'm pretty new to android, had a g1 in the past, but didn't play much with it and sold it, now i'm back! Haha.
I'd appreciate any links to other sites for help and more info and prolly more support than what we're getting here? If you feel uneasy to post, you could pm me. Thanks!!
Any issues i must take note of with buying milestone? Since i read some had wifi and baseband issues, D-pad down button is bad etc. LOL. And the droid's back cover is loose, not sure about the milestone though. Plus is there really a huge difference in droid and milestone when it comes to development/rooting/flashing roms etc.?
The only difference i know of currently is one's CDMA the other's GSM and the droid doesn't support multi-touch natively until the updated the software as well as the droid has got fm radio?
Oh ya, there's no wireless teethering on milestone? Meaning my laptop uses my phone's network?!
Appreciate all advice!!
Sorry for uber long posts!
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Man, it's really lacking in support for milestone over here at xda, or there's nothing to support at all? LOL. For the first time, i'm a little disappointed with xda. Hahahaha, i hope people could point me in the right direction for milestone news and tips etc. Anyways, heading to get it now!!

Quick answers:
- You can root the phone, as in, have access to modify the system at root level.
- A locked bootloader means you can't use any other kernels except those signed by Motorola themselves. We're all hoping for methods like 2ndboot and kexec to help us out here
- You can tether via USB,WiFi, or Bluetooth.

i have a Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 with windows mobile.. I originally wanted the Milestone but since i could get the X1 for half the price of the Milestone i decided to get it. I am now in the process of selling the X1 and getting the Milestone (probably next week)

Lesiroth said:
Quick answers:
- You can root the phone, as in, have access to modify the system at root level.
- A locked bootloader means you can't use any other kernels except those signed by Motorola themselves. We're all hoping for methods like 2ndboot and kexec to help us out here
- You can tether via USB,WiFi, or Bluetooth.
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Thanks. I went ahead and get it anyway. Haha. I'm hoping for more support and some flashing goodness soon! Plus 2.2 froyo!! Some issues or concerns i found so far. I realised that the device gets hot pretty easily and not normal kind of heat, rather at the area below the camera at the back when holding landscape. And in gmail app, you can never empty your trash permanently. This kinda sucks, as the trash always restore.

Quick answers:
- You can root the phone, as in, have access to modify the system at root level.
- A locked bootloader means you can't use any other
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Thanks. I went ahead and get it anyway. Haha. I'm hoping for more support and some flashing goodness soon! Plus 2.2 froyo!! Some issues or concerns i found so far. I realised that the device gets hot pretty easily and not normal kind of heat, rather at the area below the camera at the back when holding landscape. And in gmail app, you can never empty your trash permanently. This kinda sucks, as the trash always restore.
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where did you get it for 550? I was at a starhub shop the other day and it wasn't even close to 550.

If you don't want to wait, there's always the Samsung Epic 4G or Galaxy S Pro, whatever it is called in your region. If you don't mind that there is no camera flash.
Sent from my Droid

thepwneddroid said:
If you don't want to wait, there's always the Samsung Epic 4G or Galaxy S Pro, whatever it is called in your region. If you don't mind that there is no camera flash.
Sent from my Droid
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Are those phones even out yet ? Would you be able to install custom ROMs for them in the future?
The milestone looks better in my opinion.. (physically) but seeing how its got a locked bootloader... im afraid of buying a phone (with so many options at this day) that could be already stuck on its final OS version.
If only the Xperia X10 had a physical keyboard (i dont like the mini pro version) id probably buy it. I want an android phone with a physical keyboard not only for texting but also for emulators and the milestone seems the way to go ... as its about $420 too. (amazon)

I'm in the same boat as some of you. A former Xperia X1 user who got tired of flashing with ROMs that aren't stable and sluggish. I don't want to get an official ATT phone cause I am on the MediaNet unlimited plan and I like to tether to my laptop. I also like having a QWERTY keyboard and been wanting to try Andriod OS. Some questions:
1) What specifics should I look for to ensure I'm getting the Telus version of DROID and unlocked for AT&T to ensure 3G?
2) I saw recent news that there is no official support for Tethering or wifi router mode on DROID, but are there apps (even the Xperia X1 did).
3) Can anyone tell from just what's listed on Overstock and Amazon whether those phones will work on ATT 3G? Many thanks.
I already sold my X1, been using my old Samsung BLackjack 2....need new phone...SOON!

Any good ROMs for Galaxy S

Hello ,
Now im thinking which phone to buy. I like Galaxy S but i read that samsung have a lot of problems(gps, lag, slow UI, Very slow when you install more programs, slow on multitasking) and etc. So is there good ROM for Galaxy S to fix it and make a galaxy as functional as htc desire ?

if you want to be able to mod your phone easy my advice is stay away from samsung, I have one and its very unfriendly

There are no true custom roms for the Galaxy S yet, there are modded roms that reqire specific base roms first.
Cyanogenmod has the Galaxy Series on it's roadmap but there is no working release yet.
HTC phones are the best if you want many options for custom roms and quick releases of future updates but overall I am pretty happy with my Galaxy S even though I do miss the options I had with my Magic in terms of roms.

Im not looking a phone to mod it, im asking are the ROMs will make galaxy much better than stock and functional like a HTC Desire ? Because its necsesary to write a rom in a galaxy S

MisterMonitor said:
Im not looking a phone to mod it, im asking are the ROMs will make galaxy much better than stock and functional like a HTC Desire ? Because its necsesary to write a rom in a galaxy S
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I never had any issues with GPS on my phone, it worked fine for me driving around.
The lag is a minor annoyance at best. The new JPH Froyo build seems to be running pretty well for me so far, just installed it this morning and is solid thus far.

What??
I have purchased HTC for year and I never happy with it!
Now have a Galaxy S and it is another, better world!
For the first time, after many year with htc device, have seen my Galaxy S in top of all other device in Quadrant benchmark, 2307! From now, Samsumg rock!
I still have Eclair JM7, but it is always stable, fast UI, no problem with gps at all(as already sayd), a lot of apps installed ...all good!
The only thing, have installed clagfix.
Who had say to you that things, probably doesn't know Galaxy S
Regards
MisterMonitor said:
Hello ,
Now im thinking which phone to buy. I like Galaxy S but i read that samsung have a lot of problems(gps, lag, slow UI, Very slow when you install more programs, slow on multitasking) and etc. So is there good ROM for Galaxy S to fix it and make a galaxy as functional as htc desire ?
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cyberz said:
What??
I have purchased HTC for year and I never happy with it!
Now have a Galaxy S and it is another, better world!
For the first time, after many year with htc device, have seen my Galaxy S in top of all other device in Quadrant benchmark, 2307! From now, Samsumg rock!
I still have Eclair JM7, but it is always stable, fast UI, no problem with gps at all(as already sayd), a lot of apps installed ...all good!
The only thing, have installed clagfix.
Who had say to you that things, probably doesn't know Galaxy S
Regards
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Highly doubt you got that score without One Click Lag Fix. The normal Quadrant score is around 800. If it wasn't for the people on XDA our phones won't be anywhere near as awesome as they are now !

MisterMonitor said:
Hello ,
Now im thinking which phone to buy. I like Galaxy S but i read that samsung have a lot of problems(gps, lag, slow UI, Very slow when you install more programs, slow on multitasking) and etc. So is there good ROM for Galaxy S to fix it and make a galaxy as functional as htc desire ?
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Well, if choice is between desire or galaxy s, you can choose the sgs with your eyes closed. As soon as we will have a stable froyo with voodoo kernel stable release, this phone will ROCK! I would wait new HTC models though...
On second thought, *MOVE* this ****ing thread, wrong section!

PaulForde said:
Highly doubt you got that score without One Click Lag Fix. The normal Quadrant score is around 800. If it wasn't for the people on XDA our phones won't be anywhere near as awesome as they are now !
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He said he used CLagFix, so very possible to get 2k+ Quadrant.
As for GPS stuff, my GPS works 60% of the time, and struggles the rest, I feel like it's kind of hit and miss depending on which ROM you are using, GPS settings, possibly area you are in, etc.
Also, I absolutely love this phone(I have a captivate but w/e still a Galaxy S, and I use I9000 ROM's anyway), and find it pretty easy to mod, and it's pretty much unbrickable.

TrOjAnUK said:
if you want to be able to mod your phone easy my advice is stay away from samsung, I have one and its very unfriendly
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Not true really TBH. Look at how much hassle you have to go to to root a HTC Desire for example with creating a goldcard then flashing an old firmware the finally being able to root it where as the Galaxy can be done from a simple update zip.

Yes, but we cannot be sure customs roms will eventually arrive. Imho all devs will go for Desire Hd and Desire Z

carlocb said:
Well, if choice is between desire or galaxy s, you can choose the sgs with your eyes closed. As soon as we will have a stable froyo with voodoo kernel stable release, this phone will ROCK! I would wait new HTC models though...
On second thought, *MOVE* this ****ing thread, wrong section!
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And that will happen like in a year or so the way things move know...
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The lag is becoming less of an issue with newer ROMs but the GPS has a problem with accuracy regardless of what anyone here tells you. GPS was slow to fix in earlier firmwares but corrected in subsequent releases, this led some to claim that GPS is fixed, you'll see several comments from people waxing lyrical about getting GPS signal indoors when they couldn't before, but take it out into inner city roads when traffic is crawling a bit and it gets very confused placing you in the wrong lanes/directions etc due to poor accuracy.... basically it fails where even my old HTC magic excels, however drive on wide lane motorways and it's near flawless because accuracy isn't as critical.
Personally I'll still choose the SGS ahead of the Desire, but if you're not willing to tinker at all, then wait to see what improvements froyo delivers or choose the Desire because the JF3 firmware that ships out with most is awful, frustrating... useless!!

mrwookie6379 said:
Not true really TBH. Look at how much hassle you have to go to to root a HTC Desire for example with creating a goldcard then flashing an old firmware the finally being able to root it where as the Galaxy can be done from a simple update zip.
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Not true... i rooted a Desire yesterday, never done it before on a desire and took me like 5 mins haha
plug phone in PC, and run unrevoked... simple...

PaulForde said:
Highly doubt you got that score without One Click Lag Fix. The normal Quadrant score is around 800. If it wasn't for the people on XDA our phones won't be anywhere near as awesome as they are now !
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Hi,
true, about 896. But still true which is a system partitioning bad configuration, not hardware issue
I hope Samsung fix the lag in next release!
Regards

Keefo said:
Not true... i rooted a Desire yesterday, never done it before on a desire and took me like 5 mins haha
plug phone in PC, and run unrevoked... simple...
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If it took you 5 mins then it's true. It probably took less than 30 secs to root my SGS.

If I knew what I know today
.... I would never have traded my Nexus One for a Galaxy S. Here's why:
Spec wise the Galaxy S is the better phone. In real world, its utterly horrible. I suspect that the phone has not problems in the hardware, but the software really kills the experience.
What's great about it:
- It has Swype keyboard, and thats really impressive. Alas, it's not something Samsung created, they just bought it.
- Great camera application with lots of functions, takes great pictures. This is in my opinion the best thing Samsung has brought to this product.
- Acceptable battery lifetime, compared to similar phones.
- Reliable bluetooth operation, this is my first Android phone that works every time and all the time in my car.
What I expected but did not get:
- A screen that performed better outdoors. I washes out completely, and is not any better than the other phones I have had. It is bigger though.
What's driving me nuts:
- Exchange sync sucks bigtime. I keep loosing all my contacts until I force sync it again. My calendar doesnt work at all. Coming from CM6 on Nexus One I'm used to everything just working.
- Lag. This is supposed to be a fast phone. It's not in any way fast doing anything at all. If I upgrade an application from the Market, I can forget about using the phone until it has finished installing. Its a snail, and I don't care if its caused by the filesystem, the kernel or just Samsungs programmers. Its totally unacceptable and shows that this phone should not have been released. (Oh yeah, I am running lagfix, that doesnt really help, it just pushes the problem a bit ahead in time)
What Samsung couldn't bother to implement:
- Working GPS. My Nexus One and HTC Magic has far better GPS precision (and I'm not talking about fix time, which is also horrible on the Samsung). I'm glad I'm not using it for navigation.
- Stereo FM. Come on Samsung, this is 2010. I'm not using it, but why include it half heartedly?
What Samsung found more fun to do instead:
- Selection of three custom fonts, of which two are too ugly to use. Seriously?
- Widget that shows how many applications are running. Who cares about that, isn't Android supposed to end all this focusing on what is running and what is not ....
- Four different phones released that are basically the same. "The GPS isn't working. Should we fix it? Nah, lets make a phone version with four software buttons instead."
I'm about to give up on this thing. I upgraded my HTC Magic to CM6 the other day, and it seems to be running circles around my Galaxy S.
My only problem if I'm giving up on this phone, is what to get instead. Maybe the HTC Desire HD, but again it's basically the same as my Nexus One with just a bigger screen.

Android 2.3

Will it be possible for us to get 2.3 ported on the milestone?

We haven't even got official 2.2 yet...

cherrybombaz said:
Will it be possible for us to get 2.3 ported on the milestone?
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needs higher memory requirements like 512Mb, so only Miletone2 and in 2012..
(it took 1yr for milestone1, so thats easy to estimate from now+12months)

Dexter_nlb said:
needs higher memory requirements like 512Mb, so only Miletone2 and in 2012..
(it took 1yr for milestone1, so thats easy to estimate from now+12months)
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Is that really true? What would require higher memory than Froyo? I don't see anything in the features which would require 512MB..

Guys: let's focus on what is REALLY important from 2.3. We don't need all those features...I mean: we WOULD like to get them all but I think it's a hard challenge for developers (the upgraded kernel hasn't even been released for 2.2, I don't want a 2.3 with battery draining and kernel_issues just becuase of Motorola laziness...). I just need a 2.1 (which covers all the "basics" of what a smartphone MUST do) with some improvements from 2.3! I'll start with mine:
1) New Keyboard: I really want to try the new keyboard and think shouldn't be so difficult to port it to 2.1 (just a hope!)
2) Download manager: not a must-have but hey...would be useful!
3) New UI and "smoother" animations: I'm quite sure this is almost impossible to port..
4) Support for WebM: see above...
By the way maybe the whole gingerbread can run on 2.6.32 kernel! So a good porting would be ready when motorola releases the official 2.2 sbf. Am I correct?
EDIT: Look at these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AAFF9PN-WU&feature=channel
Youtube 2.0 is also available for 2.1! I can't notice any difference with 2.3!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCgf8RW7B88&feature=channel
Newer streetview and Maps navigation are available on 2.1...No voice controls though!

Dexter_nlb said:
needs higher memory requirements like 512Mb, so only Miletone2 and in 2012..
(it took 1yr for milestone1, so thats easy to estimate from now+12months)
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And also (correct me if I'm wrong)
Probably some features like GPU accelleration in openGL 2.0 may be a little difficult to port over right?

mardurhack said:
3) New UI and "smoother" animations
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it's a sweet dream... but i would be awesome

@89luca89: I didn't see anywhere that 2.3 supports GPU acceleration! This would be AWSOME especially for the browser!! How have Opera's guys been able to enable hw acceleration on their browser? Do you think it would be also possible on custom browsers like Dolphin or is that a "Presto" (the Opera's rendering engine while Chrome's one is Webkit) feature? Thanks!
@razer54: Being sincere...I'd really like (read as NEED) a smoother browser than smoother animations...Launcher Pro is smooth enough for me! And menus scrolling is too! The only one who lacks smooth interaction (scrolling, pinch2zoom etc.) is the browser! But, as I wrote above, there could be the possibility to port Opera's hw acceleration on a browser like Dolphin (or the stock one being the source code public). Couldn't it?

I presume everyone has seen this:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
Heaps of the new improvements look awesome, improved responciveness, native audio control, new keyboard, dalivik garbage collector, native voip, updated video drivers - all this stuff would make lots of apps (including games!) much better on Android.
I really hope game devs start getting serious about Android with the approah of the Playstation phone and Android 2.3 available. I'm no expert but I assume while some things like the new keyboard may be possible to port back to 2.1 or 2.2 on milestone, we will never see the bulk of 2.3 on our phones.

Ballinor I almost forgot to ask if copy&paste can be ported from 2.3!!
EDIT: Ok I changed my mind...I NEED Gingerbread!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that will be possible to install it on Milestone!

can someone port the new keyboard? there´s already a couple of leaked keyboards but they all appear small on our precious .... its like a hyper compact keyboard ....

Dexter_nlb said:
needs higher memory requirements like 512Mb, so only Miletone2 and in 2012..
(it took 1yr for milestone1, so thats easy to estimate from now+12months)
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I'm sorry but what you're saying is mostly a dull statement. I wouldn't expect this coming from you at all, seriously. You didn't even explained what would need more memory. Its clearly stated the most of the higher specs would be used for new Multimedia standards and gaming improvements (Concurrent garbage collector being one of them!).
It took a bit more then half of year for Milestone 1 to get unofficial 2.2, the biggest problem being unlocked boot loader.
This is the same thing as telling its impossible to get Froyo to G1. Officially, that is correct. Unofficially, Cyano and everyone in XDA and other communities are doing everything to keep G1 alive. And I can tell you, Froyo on G1 is working smooth and without problems.

greglord said:
I'm sorry but what you're saying is mostly a dull statement. I wouldn't expect this coming from you at all, seriously. You didn't even explained what would need more memory. Its clearly stated the most of the higher specs would be used for new Multimedia standards and gaming improvements (Concurrent garbage collector being one of them!).
It took a bit more then half of year for Milestone 1 to get unofficial 2.2, the biggest problem being unlocked boot loader.
This is the same thing as telling its impossible to get Froyo to G1. Officially, that is correct. Unofficially, Cyano and everyone in XDA and other communities are doing everything to keep G1 alive. And I can tell you, Froyo on G1 is working smooth and without problems.
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The 512mb of RAM is a statement from Google. They just want less fragmantation in android devices.
What that really means is it'll probably run on the Milestone if we didn't have that damn bootloader..
It'll probably be ported to the Droid.

It will be ported to Milestone too..

greglord said:
It will be ported to Milestone too..
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Yup,but without proper kernel

I hope so!!!
Unfortunately I'm not an expert in programming, but I'll give all my support for testing!
Milestone is too young do be abandoned, it is still an optimum phone in my opinion!

mardurhack said:
@89luca89: I didn't see anywhere that 2.3 supports GPU acceleration! This would be AWSOME especially for the browser!! How have Opera's guys been able to enable hw acceleration on their browser? Do you think it would be also possible on custom browsers like Dolphin or is that a "Presto" (the Opera's rendering engine while Chrome's one is Webkit) feature? Thanks!
@razer54: Being sincere...I'd really like (read as NEED) a smoother browser than smoother animations...Launcher Pro is smooth enough for me! And menus scrolling is too! The only one who lacks smooth interaction (scrolling, pinch2zoom etc.) is the browser! But, as I wrote above, there could be the possibility to port Opera's hw acceleration on a browser like Dolphin (or the stock one being the source code public). Couldn't it?
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you got a point, i wanted to speak about browsing experience when i wrote animation ^^

max_3000 said:
The 512mb of RAM is a statement from Google. They just want less fragmantation in android devices.
What that really means is it'll probably run on the Milestone if we didn't have that damn bootloader..
It'll probably be ported to the Droid.
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Can you please post a link where I can see such Google statement? Thanks.
(And to be clear, I'm not interested in links to the old rumors that have been denied and ridiculed directly by a google engineer a long time ago.)

mardurhack said:
Guys: let's focus on what is REALLY important from 2.3. We don't need all those features...I mean: we WOULD like to get them all but I think it's a hard challenge for developers (the upgraded kernel hasn't even been released for 2.2, I don't want a 2.3 with battery draining and kernel_issues just becuase of Motorola laziness...). I just need a 2.1 (which covers all the "basics" of what a smartphone MUST do) with some improvements from 2.3! I'll start with mine:
1) New Keyboard: I really want to try the new keyboard and think shouldn't be so difficult to port it to 2.1 (just a hope!)
2) Download manager: not a must-have but hey...would be useful!
3) New UI and "smoother" animations: I'm quite sure this is almost impossible to port..
4) Support for WebM: see above...
By the way maybe the whole gingerbread can run on 2.6.32 kernel! So a good porting would be ready when motorola releases the official 2.2 sbf. Am I correct?
EDIT: Look at these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AAFF9PN-WU&feature=channel
Youtube 2.0 is also available for 2.1! I can't notice any difference with 2.3!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCgf8RW7B88&feature=channel
Newer streetview and Maps navigation are available on 2.1...No voice controls though!
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i agree...
obviously we won't get all the new implementations, but it would be nice to have some of them... the easier ones to port...

I think one of the most important think to port it"s the jit no ? if i remember well, the jit from froyo was ported to eclair, so the one from gingerbread can be ported to froyo no ?