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So looks like Google aren't bothering with a successor to the N1.
The reason I bought this phone was to avoid manufacturer mods and long waits for firmware updates (if at all).
So does this mean those of us wanting the latest android builds and vanilla roms are done for?
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there is rumor that with Gingerbread, there will no longer be sense UI, Motoblur, etc. This is rumor of course but it would help to defrag the Android community even more if it were true.
It would but I don't see it happening. HTC have put too much into Sense to retire it anytime soon, especially as it has been generally well received.
I just hope a few manufacturers concentrate on hardware and leave the OS to Google.
Didn't Google have that plan with phones that sported "with Google"? Just don't seem to see that mentioned anymore.
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Project Emerald with T-Mobile...?
I'm waiting for the next developer phone from Google. Until then the nexus one is what I'll stay with.
The only thing that might pull me from the nexus is the next generation CPU phones like the dual core qualcom snapdragon, or the omap 2's and whatnot. I figure the nexus will remain the flagship Google phone for the rest of this year most likely.
I'm waiting on any Tegra 2 Android phone..
if gingerbread is the future of android devices, it suppose to support hardware capabilities that may not be on the nexus that has been around for a while.
i really wanted to buy a nexus, but it seems that when android 3.0 is out - it should be followed by high end devices by HTC and others.
i really don't know what to do here...
gingerbread is said to launch mid november - not a long time to hold off.
but hey, what do think? wait or buy nexus now?
That is Exactly what I am doing! The desire HD looks wonderful, but i think There will be a VERY nice phone coming on T mobile with new gingerbread already there around Christmas....Just my guess
It seems T mobile and Google have some sort of special deal when it comes to android, like getting stock android phones.....and there MUST be a stock gingerbread phone coming soon!
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if gingerbread is the future of android devices, it suppose to support hardware capabilities that may not be on the nexus that has been around for a while.
i really wanted to buy a nexus, but it seems that when android 3.0 is out - it should be followed by high end devices by HTC and others.
i really don't know what to do here...
gingerbread is said to launch mid november - not a long time to hold off.
but hey, what do think? wait or buy nexus now?
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First, Gingerbread will run fine on a N1. Second, no matter when you buy a phone in a couple months another one will come out that is even better. The N1 has an awesome modding scene though.
First, Gingerbread will run fine on a N1.
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nobody know that for sure...the minimal requirements may suit the N1 but it may lack the ability to perform certain tasks. we've seen it happen with other phones.
Second, no matter when you buy a phone in a couple months another one will come out that is even better
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true for most cases. to me nexus is different from others by design. that phone feels right. i really couldn't care less about all these samsungs or motorolas that are out there. and other htc devices seem too big like the desire HD that was mentioned.
basicly, the world need a NEXUS TWO!
So you think Google will develop an OS using their development phone, but not all features of the OS will work on the phone they developed it on? I highly doubt that. Google debunked the minimum requirements roomer for Gingerbread, that was nothing but a site trying to get traffic. Do a little thinking on the subject.
If I were getting a new phone soon though, I would wait till the next gen ones come out. I do love my Nexus though!
the nexus one was a success in regard of telling the world "this is what android can do right now". others did follow and it is biting the market share making other mobile OS look like code accidents.
none the less, why shouldn't gingerbread allow "facetime like" video service for capable devices? the technology for that is in the wild. that is only one example. i am sure there are more features just like that.
at this point, maybe it would be smarter to wait.
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the nexus one was a success in regard of telling the world "this is what android can do right now". others did follow and it is biting the market share making other mobile OS look like code accidents.
none the less, why shouldn't gingerbread allow "facetime like" video service for capable devices? the technology for that is in the wild. that is only one example. i am sure there are more features just like that.
at this point, maybe it would be smarter to wait.
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Whether or not Gingerbread includes a facetime like option is irrelevant to how it will run on the N1. Obviously any phone without a front-facing camera will not be able to do something like facetime. Gingerbread itself will run just fine on the N1. Without going into any technical reasons, just think of this. Of all the Android phones out there right now, the top ones are all in the general vicinity of the N1 in performance. If Gingerbread wouldn't run on the N1, then you cut out these phones too which means only as-yet-unreleased phones would run Gingerbread. So on what basis are you questioning it?
You should probably wait though since you don't seem sure about the N1. The only guarantee you can have is that in a few months from now an even better phone will be released. And then a few months from that once again, and repeat... Dual core snapdragons will start finding their way into phones at some point soon. If you're not rushed then just wait and see what comes out.
Gingerbread will most likely be brought to the nexus one but what about 3.0 and beyond? Do you think they will make a new device? Possibly the n2? What about tablets? Will they start a new android line just for tablets. The android phpne market is very spread out right now, phones like the Motorola charm will probobly never see froyo but phones like the Droid x and vibrant have processors that will not become outdated for several years to come. Are company's updating hardware too quickly?
This is the development forum. You want the q n a forum.
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Gingerbread will most likely be brought to the nexus one but what about 3.0 and beyond? Do you think they will make a new device? Possibly the n2? What about tablets? Will they start a new android line just for tablets. The android phpne market is very spread out right now, phones like the Motorola charm will probobly never see froyo but phones like the Droid x and vibrant have processors that will not become outdated for several years to come. Are company's updating hardware too quickly?
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*sigh*
There is a general section, you know...
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Gingerbread will most likely be brought to the nexus one but what about 3.0 and beyond? Do you think they will make a new device? Possibly the n2? What about tablets? Will they start a new android line just for tablets. The android phpne market is very spread out right now, phones like the Motorola charm will probobly never see froyo but phones like the Droid x and vibrant have processors that will not become outdated for several years to come. Are company's updating hardware too quickly?
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The HTC magic, the 2nd ever android phone, got official Froyo. If a phone isn't getting it, its not because it's underpowered (with the exception of the G1).
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The HTC magic, the 2nd ever android phone, got official Froyo. If a phone isn't getting it, its not because it's underpowered (with the exception of the G1).
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Huh? The magic is a G1 less the keyboard. Processor is the same. And I think a rooted G1 can have 2.2.
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Huh? The magic is a G1 less the keyboard. Processor is the same. And I think a rooted G1 can have 2.2.
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The G1 is memory starved. A rooted G1 can have froyo with the proper SPL.
We will get every future Android update.
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I don't think there needs to be a tablet developer platform designated. Screen resolution differences are something that should be simple enough d'or developers to figure out.
The entire point of a developer platform device is to develop the core OS updates on it, so I fully expect at least another year of official updates for the N1. Especially because we haven't actually seen any faster processor released into the market yet.
The secondary point of a designated developer platform would be to support a core of standard hardware under Android. Smarter OEMs should understand that if they want to have less work to port android to their devices, and to get updates on their devices more quickly, they should try to use hardware components either common to ADP or that have Linux support.
Sure, OEMs can deviate, but anything they include that isn't either compatible with ADP hardware, or already supported in Linux will have to be supported by the company making that handset. So it is up to the consumers to say if they want devices more like the Desire, or more like the X10. Laf!
The Nexus One is the official Google Development phone. Until that changes, we shouldn't have to worry about getting the latest versions first
It is one of the advantages to being a N1 owner.
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We will get every future Android update.
Gingerbread, Honeycomb, IceCream, Jellybean, K..., L..., Mousse, Pie, Q..., ...
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Deserts are my N1's favorite meal!
Android mean Google, then there is no point to buy any phone even if it's amazing, i am with Google devices till they close the company N1 TO N100 i am with Google i just want they put some color in this coming build i feel the stock ROM is black and white
check out the article in businessweek.com/technology/ regarding honeycomb source (sorry, not enough posts to add links to my thread)
looks like we're waiting awhile for a full-scale port of HC
Wow... what a load of crap. I am giving you the biggest middle finger i can right now Google......
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
well this just blows!
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This actually kind of makes sense. By not releasing the code, Google can control what kinds of devices actually run Honeycomb. Look at how many extremely crappy Froyo tablets there are out there from hole in the wall manufacturers. The hardware is crap. Performance is crap. The reliability is crap. It makes Android look horrible. If Honeycombs source got released today, you'd see crappy $100 tablets in Wal-greens running Honeycomb. They would suck huge monkey balls and make Honeycomb look horrible. People would buy the $100 iPad alternative, find that it was a POS, return it and never buy an Android device again.
I wish they would have released it though and done something else. Like maybe not allow any maker to use the "Android" name in advertising unless it met their requirements? Similar to what they do with the "With Google" on the back of phones.
Heck they could take it a step further and only allow phone manufacturers to produce pure Google Experience phones instead of wrapping it up with their own skin.
And this is why Richard Stallman is always, always, always right.
yeah this blows, a lot. Engadget has a good article too.
This is not going to help Android gain more market share. The money hats are sure working on Google.
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I wish they would have released it though and done something else. Like maybe not allow any maker to use the "Android" name in advertising unless it met their requirements? Similar to what they do with the "With Google" on the back of phones.
Heck they could take it a step further and only allow phone manufacturers to produce pure Google Experience phones instead of wrapping it up with their own skin.
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How can you have open source, but still tell OEMS what they can and can't do?
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How can you have open source, but still tell OEMS what they can and can't do?
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By doing exactly what he said in his post. Not allow them to use the android name. Also, don't allow them access to the market and other google apps. They can't force OEMS to do anything, but they can give them incentives. I think them restricting the android name to google experience devices would be excellent. Ubunutu is based on Debian Linux, but you don't see them calling it Debian anywhere. In fact, if you didn't look it up, you would have no idea that Ubuntu even had anything to do with Debian. It's very similar, but it's been modified and is therefore no longer called Debian, just like sense, motoblur, touch-wiz and others should not be called android.
They already do that though. The $100 tablet you can buy at Walgreens doesn't have the Google name on it. Doesn't have the market or google apps. Still makes Android look bad. Besides, not giving them the Android name would be great for OEMs. They would drop it all together, call it HTC Sense OS or MotoBlur OS or whatever and the consumers would then be extremely confused.
I was upset about this at first, but it makes perfect sense. Like people have said, it makes Android look like crap. IMHO, Honeycomb is an embarrassment as far as polish when it comes to iOS. Get me right, I'm an Android fan through and through, but lacking polish and stability can really hurt Android right now. I'm sure we'll get the source eventually while it's still relevant. Remember, the first commercial device running that software is barley a month old...
I see a final SDK Honeycomb build in our future.
i assume we will never see a 3.0 aosp at all. it isnt meant for phones and i think google initally wanted to branch off but decided against that. and from seeing our development they have realized that >3.0 is bad for tablets and 3.0 is bad for phones. they know we will try to do it anyway and just discover that the other half (phones or tablets depending on version) is very inadequate so they plan on making ice cream the version of android that works on both
still sad that they wont even let us try to get it working, hell the preview release is running pretty well already, this " we decide what is good for you " stance is worrying from an open source os
By "indefinitely" I understand the exact release date is not definite. Thats all. Android >>>>>>>> iOS
Pretty terrible news. Really puts a mark on future android releases for the community. Really sad even if there are business reasons for it.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. They're either open source or not. They can't try to have it both ways.
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And this is why Richard Stallman is always, always, always right.
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Yep. I can't tell you how many times I've rolled my eyes at something he's said and considered it to be extreme but it's true.
They are probably just working on making it stable...
Remember, google is the forerunner for open source.
chrome(based off chomrium open source)
chome os( based off chomrium open source)
android(obviously linux)
Definitely disappointing. Would love to see my Nook Color running Honeycomb AOSP.
I don't buy their reasoning. I don't see why anyone would go rushing to put Honeycomb on a phone??? If anything it's all these cheap tablets running pre 3.0 that is making Android look bad.
This is pathetic!!!! So much for it being "Open Source"!!!
It's probably full of stolen code or something.
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Definitely disappointing. Would love to see my Nook Color running Honeycomb AOSP.
I don't buy their reasoning. I don't see why anyone would go rushing to put Honeycomb on a phone??? If anything it's all these cheap tablets running pre 3.0 that is making Android look bad.
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That's the point. Google is trying to avoid cheap tablets running Honeycomb. Let's be completely honest here. In terms of polish, iOS is a better OS than Honeycomb. That's to be expected given that Honeycomb is a first-gen tablet OS. Google is pushing it as it's answer to iOS though. They don't want it plastered on crappy ass tablets that barely run and definitely don't want it on phones that won't run it well at all. It would make Honeycomb look awful even though it's a very nice OS if it's run on a device that can actually run it.
Samsung will likely release a next gen tab in Barcelona. Will this mean minimal support for our tab?
I was a big defender of android for 2 years. But i have had it. Will switch over to iphone 5 and ipad 3. Our tab rom from Samsung is suboptimal to say the least. Still no ICS. App quality still sucks for business, science, musicians etc. Improvement too slow. I thought differently 6 months ago but now it seems we can not catch up to Apple ecosystem.
I am just trying to make a rational decision, no ideological arguments.
I know I know...go ahead, hit me...
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chris
There's a couple of nice ICS roms over in the development forum, I'm using the latest Galaxian Soup alpha and it's awesome.
I agree.. I'm feeling frustrated from lag and the low support from my device. Yes Apple taking the full control for IOS.. But I realise that its for good.....
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I am still not sold on the iOS
here at the WEF
I also need to admit that I am in a bad mood right now...which prompted me to start this thread.
I am here in Davos at the wef. looking around I see only ipads. the special wef app on my tab 8.9 fcs all the time, looks terribly designed and can not be used in landscape on the tablet!
on the ipad the same app looks great andworks in landscape. that just fuelled my anger....
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There's a couple of nice ICS roms over in the development forum, I'm using the latest Galaxian Soup alpha and it's awesome.
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None of the roms for the 8.9 seem to display hdmi out correctly or have other significant issues.
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I also need to admit that I am in a bad mood right now...which prompted me to start this thread.
I am here in Davos at the wef. looking around I see only ipads. the special wef app on my tab 8.9 fcs all the time, looks terribly designed and can not be used in landscape on the tablet!
on the ipad the same app looks great andworks in landscape. that just fuelled my anger....
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well but that ain't really androids or samsungs fault. if someone designs a crappy app for android and a well working app for ios then of course it will look better on ios....
as for support. the older iphones aren't getting any updates and ipad1 is missing out on a lot of features that the ipad2 got via software. so it aint like android is all bad and ios is all good.
that being said, yeah samsung is being slow releasing stuff and touchwizz is bloated crap. they should try and please people releasing updates as fast as possible instead of bloating them and making them slower.
I've only owned my sgt 8.9 for a month and I think th nhardware is fantastic and going from iphone 3-4s and my wifes ipad 2 to this android and samsung show they can pull it off better than apple in most ways.... But.....
Time between releases isn't practical, the features of true clean android os (no samsung excess besides ebook) are fantastic but samsung kill it with touchwiz and excess compulsary samsung apps, and the market is great but also it's own worst enemy. (but we cant do anything about that because its un-regulated so to speak). Been muking around with custom roms and my hats off to the develooers as they're are really trying to polish up and bring us the best experience possible but they're relying on samsung to continue support but sadly they just are developing enough for our developers to improve on.
It's sad when a combination of 2 great products with both ability, style and funding can't bring it together and focus on fewer models or realeases to perfect something thats already almost there and really flex there muscles in the face of the competition.
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None of the roms for the 8.9 seem to display hdmi out correctly or have other significant issues.
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This is true, I suppose it really depends upon what you are using the tablet for.
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well but that ain't really androids or samsungs fault. if someone designs a crappy app for android and a well working app for ios then of course it will look better on ios....
as for support. the older iphones aren't getting any updates and ipad1 is missing out on a lot of features that the ipad2 got via software. so it aint like android is all bad and ios is all good.
that being said, yeah samsung is being slow releasing stuff and touchwizz is bloated crap. they should try and please people releasing updates as fast as possible instead of bloating them and making them slower.
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agree, but that is why we need to consider the whole ecosystem that generates design standards, a sense of esthetics and professionalism and coolness...
samsung seems to push new bricks with better technology at a frantic speed but this does not improve usability. they are bad at engaging users and are terrible on the softwareside. It also seems that the ios ecosystem has the more demanding users that care less about tech and custom roms but overall usability.
I have my tab now for 5 months, there has not been a release of any appropriate rom by samsung for a 600$ Tablet! not acceptable...and my sgs i9000 is also not supported anymore by samsung...
I have an 8.9 and I feel your pain as well. I want Android to work out but it seems the manufacturers are only interested in the initial sale of the item, after that support dwindles quickly. Compare this to Apple who understands that your building a relationship with your customer. I think it sucks that the Kindle Fire has better support then the Galaxy Tab and most honeycomb devices.
App support with Android is poor at best. When compatibility has to be reviewed for each device by the developer (Hello hulu, netflix, & Gameloft!), you have a poor ecosystem. A number of really good games avail on the iPad do not even have Android the radar.
Still, I hang in there, because I don't like Apples restrictive system. Hoping manufacturers & developers will get on board and fix things. If it doesn't change in the next year though, I'm out and going back to iPad, because at the end of the day I want to use my device not hack it.
I can understand the frustration fully. I have an LG Optimus S, and my wife just upgraded off her Samsung Moment. Sometimes, vendor support for the latest version of android is minimal at best. In contrast, Apple EOLs their hardware, and there is no coming back from that. Every hardware update/major version release sees the previous oldest supported platform unsupported. Additionally, even the previous version sees missing features on the software side (ref iphone 4 + siri) that hafe been proven to run on the older platform.
Atleast with android, you can rely on strong dev communities to build new versions of the software in a timely manner. All weekend I ran the ICS alpha/beta and it is very nice!
I like my tab mainly for the size and form, and for 360 dollars it was a deal. It doesn't work any better them my Acer A500, which is more use full in the long run. Anyways my first android was the Samsung Moment which was terrible, htc hero, evo, nexus s, Acer A100, Acer A500, nook color, I pad 2, and now this 8.9. So I have had a lot of experience and I can surely say this is my last android mobile device. I'm tired of being a lab rat for these half baked devices all has had major problems. I don't want to have to rely on developers to fix things. I have only kept the I pad for a month and couldn't live without Google's services, but now I'm over it. Until they get more control over these manufactures to provide updates in a timely manor and manufactures fix their hardware I don't see a reason to stay. I guess the flexibility of android comes at a price and we all get burned.
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This is a really interesting thread, because it portrays what I think would be a very different opinion versus if you asked the same question other in the dev board. And the different demographics involves paralleled a conversation I had the other day at work.
I am a complete Android head - half the appeal for me is tinkering with the thing. I see that as normal - no, actually I see that as a big part of the experience. I hate the iPad because it is so rigidly locked down in every respect. I had an iPad, but found it stifling and could get on with it even jailbroken.
I was shocked, however, when a girl at work gave a ten minute scathing diatribe on Android based on her experience with a low end Samsung phone. "But that was a low end Android phone!" I said. "It was bound to be slow and clunky. That's not a fair assessment of Android to base it on that experience. Plus, even if it was underpowered hardware, you probably could still have found a ROM for it out there that'd solve most of the problems you were having".
She didn't care. She just wanted the thing to work out of the box and her eyes glazed over when I started talking about ROMs.
It was a new perspective for me and I find myself recommending devices differently now. Time was I would have recommended the GT 8.9 unequivocally. The form factor plus hardware (in my opinion) beats anything else currently on the market. And I'd put my ICS equipped 8.9 up against any iPad in terms of user experience and I'd say it comes out on top. However, if you want a tablet that you get out of the box and use, it's not this one. The stock Samsung Android install is an abortion and unless you are happy to tweak (or have a family member who'll do it for you) it's not the device for you.
And therein lies the problem with 99% of Android devices on the market. Until vendors get over this need to differentiate their devices by adding layer after layer of bloat on top of Android, Android will continue to play second fiddle to iOS in terms of the user experience - even if that iOS user experience is rigidly controlled and prevents you from doing basic things like moving an icon a couple of spaces away from another.
I never had a problem with android until I lost my nexus one. Then I entered the world of other manufacturers devices. So far they all suck. HTC has the ****ty looking sense the I dare to define a great punch in the face to good design, Samsung is notoriously known for making good hardware but not giving a crap about the software, I'm not sure why this is, why they think that the software is not as important to the device. My next try will be with Asus, they seem to update their software on top of having decent hardware. This in regard of tablets for phones, i'll switch to a nexus device as soon as my HTC dies or the galaxy nexus comes to t-mobile.
I went through apple and i dont like the company. First of all i'm forced most of the time at work to use imacs to work on visual effects, i dont know where studio owners get their facts, but those machine sucks for production! They are designed for customers not professionals, they have the guts of a laptop and none of the benefits. Then i have a macbook that gave me nothing but hardware problems for 3 years, an iphone 4 that i can't use because its super locked to at&t and i used to have an ipod touch which died unexpectedly during a vacation. The only apple stuff i'm kinda happy about are my two ipods that still survive (and yet do not allow, me to officially get my music out of them).
So as you can see I'm fed up with apple and their shady hardware, they killed all the great professional stuff they had (shake, final cut pro, quicktime pro, apple servers and raids) and i don't think osx has any advantage over windows anymore either.
There are two faces to every coin, but I'm sure one day I will find a good tablet/phone/computer maker for my needs, it's just a trial and error job.
Good luck with Apple I hope you'll be more lucky than me!
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It was a new perspective for me and I find myself recommending devices differently now.
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nice post mate. i totally agree with you and half the fun for me with android is the messing about and tweaking stuff. the only android phones i would recomend without thinking twice are the nexus series (because they are bloat free) and the s2 because its just and awesome device. but yeah if you have something more "consumerish" and don't feel like messing around with it you aren't gonna have the nices experience.
for the technologically unprepaired person an iProduct is probably better because it just works as they think it should (even though its awefully restrained and restricted)
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I never had a problem with android until I lost my nexus one.
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i'm still running my n1 and loving it
as for apple machines for production...i have a lot to do in the video sector and we use macpros with final cut (7 not x )
i must say they are awesome machines but also have a few downsides.
they are friggin expensive (as everything apple)
they are not the error free devices everyone thinks they are. only last month we had 2 graphics cards dying 1 hdd giving up and 2 OS corruptions. so the myth about apple products not breaking down is...a myth!
so yeah if you are prepared to tinker i would go with android all the way. if you are my mum or someone else that just wants to USE something and not get involved with it...then i guess the i is the way to go.
I showed my stock skyrocket when I first bought it, she didn't even wanted to look.
Then I installed my preferred launcher (Launcher 7) and custom roms, lots of small tricks and clean ups (hid all the extra apps like Ti Backup, Root Explorer, etc.) and let the Windows Phone 7 interface dominate with big Twitter and Facebook buttons, Big camera and email button, weather. She was sold. She played with it while I was watching tv for a good while.
If the iPhone 5 will feature yet another 3.5" display, I'll take your phone no problem, she said.
I think the Android Interface, esp. the launcher, the widget handling, etc. leaves a lot to be desired. WP7 less is more approach works for some.
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WP7 less is more approach works for some.
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I agree in fact I'm very curious to try one WP7 device for a while and maybe start suggesting that instead of iphones.
SGSChris said:
Samsung will likely release a next gen tab in Barcelona. Will this mean minimal support for our tab?
I was a big defender of android for 2 years. But i have had it. Will switch over to iphone 5 and ipad 3. Our tab rom from Samsung is suboptimal to say the least. Still no ICS. App quality still sucks for business, science, musicians etc. Improvement too slow. I thought differently 6 months ago but now it seems we can not catch up to Apple ecosystem.
I am just trying to make a rational decision, no ideological arguments.
I know I know...go ahead, hit me...
cheers
chris
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If you need an application that you cannot live without then go with ipad. You might be prepared that new ipad3 will blow ipad2 away but this is a bout making more and more money.
I was with Apple before Android. Now I am proud not following the iCrowd.
After stripping all bloatware and services my Sammy serves me well.
In regards to ICS I tried it on Xoom and didn't see anything vitally important.
It seems that in one year every piece of hardware becomes largely irrelevant and in two obsolete.
its still fck alpha so whats the point here??
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qhinton said:
I like my tab mainly for the size and form, and for 360 dollars it was a deal. It doesn't work any better them my Acer A500, which is more use full in the long run. Anyways my first android was the Samsung Moment which was terrible, htc hero, evo, nexus s, Acer A100, Acer A500, nook color, I pad 2, and now this 8.9. So I have had a lot of experience and I can surely say this is my last android mobile device. I'm tired of being a lab rat for these half baked devices all has had major problems. I don't want to have to rely on developers to fix things. I have only kept the I pad for a month and couldn't live without Google's services, but now I'm over it. Until they get more control over these manufactures to provide updates in a timely manor and manufactures fix their hardware I don't see a reason to stay. I guess the flexibility of android comes at a price and we all get burned.
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this is soooo true... despite to the fact how much i hate apple as company...
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Adapt0r said:
If you need an application that you cannot live without then go with ipad. You might be prepared that new ipad3 will blow ipad2 away but this is a bout making more and more money.
I was with Apple before Android. Now I am proud not following the iCrowd.
After stripping all bloatware and services my Sammy serves me well.
In regards to ICS I tried it on Xoom and didn't see anything vitally important.
It seems that in one year every piece of hardware becomes largely irrelevant and in two obsolete.
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If you like to use half finished products just not to follow the iCrowd than i am sorry for u... just that.