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I'm using Amon Ra 1.7...Is there any major differences between that and Clockwork??
Should I switch?? I used Clockwork for a bit but switched for some reason(can't quite remember why)
I'm not having any problems, I'm running Froyo and if theres a more then slight chance it will screw something up, I'm not interested..lol
Just wandering
If you want to use RomManager, I think you need clockwork. Otherwise it does not really matter.
If you decide to flash it, better do it via fastboot as there have been some problems in cm5/cm6 (don't know, perhaps those are aready patched, otherwise there is your slight chance to screw it up).
BUMP - curious if there any updates on this discussion. Maybe someone should make a sticky thread with pro/con CWM vs. AR?
Only real difference I noticed was Clockwork Mod allowed you to flash unsigned zip files, where Ra won't let you, and Ra has partitioning built into it with any size partitions you want, and CM Recovery you have to go through Rom Manager and have certain options to choose from.
I like both, but had a serious problem with CM Recovery that, whenever I turned off the usb mount, my pc would reboot and crash fairly hard..
I just switched to clockwork and got the premium licence for ROM Manager.
Using rom manager you can easily label and create backups.
You can easily string update zips together and wipe and flash.
So I select CM6 nightly, then gapps, then rogers port, then follow it up with firerats mtd patch. Click go and that's it. Wipes everything (only if you want) flashes each zip in the selected order, then reboots and Bobs your uncle.
So using clockwork along with rom manger is a lot easier. IMO
I've installed Amon Ra on my Nexus One as part of the process to get cyanogen running on it. I did the fastboot oem unlock + flash amon ra + manual update zip process.
Part of the reason was that for some reason I could never boot into clockwork recovery (yes I followed the wiki to the letter), and could only access the standard recovery (which doesn't allow custom roms, says the signature is invalid), the one in blue font. So I flashed amon ra instead and that worked fine.
Can I now flash back to clockwork, and even better, just do it via rom manager? Is there any risk or downside?
This is because I'm reading that amon ra doesn't have a wipe option, and that its better to wipe when you upgrade roms (or is that another fallacy or am I mis interpreting things)
cheers
1. If you didn't find and delete recovery-item-boot.p and install-recovery.sh, they will restore stock recovery when boot, regardless of what custom recovery you flashed.
rm /system/etc/install-recovery.sh
rm /system/recovery-from-boot.p
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2. You can change your recovery via ROM Manager, or manually. By the way, Amon RA Recovery has wipe option, of course. Where did you read that from?
LFact said:
1. If you didn't find and delete recovery-item-boot.p and install-recovery.sh, they will restore stock recovery when boot, regardless of what custom recovery you flashed.
2. You can change your recovery via ROM Manager, or manually. By the way, Amon RA Recovery has wipe option, of course. Where did you read that from?
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1.) I'm pretty sure I'm booting into amon_ra, it has a nandroid backup option.
My attempt (fail) to install clockwork was exactly the same as how I successfully installed amon: via fastboot flash recovery /path/to/recovery-RA-nexus-v2.1.1-CM.img after unlocking the bootloader. I didn't manually find and delete those files you specified (wouldn't even know how TBH), just followed the Cyanogen wiki.
2.) Cool good to know. I suppose then there's no point in changing really. I was just reading posts and saw it referenced several times. Maybe they were out of date or early on in the piece.
Out of curiosity, is it worth wiping if you're just upgrading between the same version e.g. cyanogen 7.03 to future 7.04?
I much prefer Amon 2.2.1 It is 2.2.1 which is the latest version, not 2.1.1
Stay away from CW 3.+
Amon has a Data/Factory reset wipe for installing new roms, I wipe 5X with it. And, a Dalvik Cache and Cache options. Do those 5X also
If doing nightlies, just wipe the caches
Here is a link to a System Wipe zip you can flash from recovery. That is probably what they were taliking about. CW has that option and Amon will on the next version, I think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723844&page=1767
Ken
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Otherwise, like mentioned you will default back to CW even if you flashed 2.2.1 thru Rom Manager on reboot.
Or, you can flash Amon thru fastboot and remove the two scripts mentioned above by LFact
Thanks mate I'll just keep using Amon
So you're saying to wipe I have to flash that zip, there's no way of just wiping it from the menu options before flashing the relevant ROM?
But in any event since I'm on CM7 I'll only be doing minor version bumps for the foreseeable future lol
I"m confused about the reboot issue: I can reboot into Amon at any stage. I haven't deleted those scripts. But you guys are telling me that unless I delete those scripts if I reboot I'll go back to stock recovery?
Sorry wrong thread.
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@wintermute000
Yes, flash the system wipe zip from recovery like any zip. Only a few seconds. Hopefully , it will be in next Amon version.
Never an issue with Amon--
Get Quick System from market and use it to boot into recovery--exc app
Then you don't need Rom Mgr or CW--better that way
If you install Amon thru Fastboot or Terminal, it will not be erased on reboots--you still need to delete the two scripts mentioned before any rebooting
See post three on this link--DR has a flash able zip to do it--nandroid always first on this stuff
http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/...330-custom-recovery-wont-stick.html#post99962
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Thanks mate I'll just keep using Amon
I"m confused about the reboot issue: I can reboot into Amon at any stage. I haven't deleted those scripts. But you guys are telling me that unless I delete those scripts if I reboot I'll go back to stock recovery?
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If you type
rm /system/etc/install-recovery.sh
rm /system/recovery-from-boot.p
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in terminal and it shows error message such as 'no file or directory', it means they were already removed. (I think ROM manager automatically remove them when flashing Clockwork recovery. When I changed to RA recovery, I found out those 2 files were gone)
If you're still curious about changing recovery, you can. I accomplished this yesterday by using Amon to flash a ROM with root access, then I downloaded CwM from the market. Installed the recovery using CwM. It's a simple process as long as you have root. As for going back to Amon, I haven't tried that.
Those files are gone (I didn't do rm, I just did basic ls in those directories). So I guess somehow during my Amon flashing it deleted it. Good to know.
Thanks for your patience all, I think I'll just stick to Amon then if I can just as easily wipe using a zip file if I need to. From what I've read I won't need to wipe anyway if I'm upgrading minor versions (i.e. CM7.03 to say 7.04 or nightly) and that's all I'm interested in doing. Hopefully by the time CM8 comes around I'll have taken the plunge on something dual core!!!
The whole reason I started investigating root/flash etc. was to give my N1 more legs until the price/performance point for the dual core phones gets to a better state, and its more than done that, I'm kicking myself for not doing it earlier. I guess once you're familiar with it then its a piece of cake, but I was reluctant for ages as I didn't want to screw up my PHONE (as opposed to say a tablet).
You don't need to remove those files since after you loaded Amon_RA, you installed CyanogenMod. Those files are used in Stock Android to replace whatever recovery you may have with the stock recovery on every boot.
I would still download the flashable zip that rugmankc linked to for formatting /system. Like I said in the CM forums, it normally isn't necessary when upgrading from minor versions, but sometimes it is the only thing you can do to fix a phone. I figure it is better to download it and never use it, then need it and having a hard time finding it.
+1 bass
@wintermute000,
I still wipe Dalvik Cache and Cache between nightlies. Seemed like the time or two I didn't do it, I had an issue.
The deal on using System Wipe if flashing new rom or if a lot of versions in between is:
When you flash a new rom it wipes system, but backs up some files from old rom first and reinstalls them as part of the new rom. After while things get cluttered, so a system wipe prolongs more serious issues. It has reduced the amount of times I need to do a complete wipe and/or sd card redos.
All Props to Temasek on this stuff
Ken
So i apologize if this has already been answered but i need an answer real quick. I recently flashed Clockwork mod recovery on my Nexus One and i don't like it. In my opinion Amon_ra's recovery is better in every way so id rather have that on my phone. So my question is can i just flash amon_ra's recovery over clockwork mod and everything will be good or do i need to take extra steps?
Just flash...
just flash... at the moment amon_ra is better, but a mod for clockworkmod enable multiboot in the nexus one (with kernel bug at the moment -.-)... when they will fix the multiboot mod, i'll change definively in clockworkmod
The WIKI on Cyanogenmod's site for the G1 says that Clockwork Recovery has issues with the G1 due to limited memory. Is this still the case, or is it safe to use Clockwork instead of Amon Ra now?
they are both safe. Amon ra has a better menu but in my case the nandroid in amon ra wont restore my backups. clockwork works fine plus you can use rom manager.
My Preference is Amon RA, I had problem with Clockwork Recovery, nanodroid works well for me. I use Amon RA.
I use clockmodwork 3 (Alpha version by Roalex), because I test roms often and it does not check for the signature of a zip on default. Plus, Clockmodwork recovery 3 is the only recovery available for the HD2, so I use that also because I am most familiar with it.
Clock work works pretty good for me!
I have an AT&T Captivate with the official 2.2 on it. I'm rooted, but that's as far as I've gone with it. I'd like to try out this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1363760
From what I understand, I need to flash Clockwork Recovery for Captivate (MTD). But ROM Manager doesn't seem to be able to do that; it asks me if I have it already, which seems to mean that I'm supposed to get it from another source. I tried ignoring the warning as the thread I linked to says, but it just reboots into Samsung's recovery.
Where exactly can I find this recovery on my own?
Noo you just need clockwork recovery thats it. It will do the rest. Mind you this rom is in early dev, and I wouldn't recommend it for ppl that are starting out. I would recommend I9000 Gb ports or I897 leaks. Or a more stable GB AOSP like nightlies or the stable release from CyanogenMod team.
i totally agree with bass. go with something like cm7 or a leaked beta. in rom manager, when it asks if you have it already, say no, so you can install it. if you check my created threads i have a basic tool that will help you get to a leaked official captivate gngerbread rom as well as CWM. since you are on froyo you will need to use the one with the boot loaders so make sure you have a good battery charge. trust me, i speak from experience, its well worth the time it takes to wait for the charge. otherwise you end up with $500 paperweight.
I'm kinda set on that ICS one I linked to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1202673
if I start with that, can I then reboot into recovery and install the ICS rom I linked to?
You don't know how to use cwm or to root yet you want to try a rom in early dev that might give you a TON of issues. Don't get me wrong Im running build 10 and apart from random lag and under par battery life its been acting fine. Just saying you should be able to figure it out if you are thinking about that specific rom.
The Captivate is the only one that seems to require a special recovery for Cyanogen ROMs from what I understand. I want to make sure I'm doing this right.
and yes, I'd like to start with that ROM.
...actually, did you even read my post at all? I say right in the beginning I'm rooted, but you say that I don't know how to root?
Easy brother bass was not trying to low blow here. He was just making an observation from past experience. The early dev roms can be tricky little buggers to get loaded and running right. I too speak from experience I have had some nasty boot loops and or soft brick of my phone. I don't know about your past but if this is your first custom rom flash you may want to practice a bit before taking on an early stage rom.
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Easy brother bass was not trying to low blow here. He was just making an observation from past experience. The early dev roms can be tricky little buggers to get loaded and running right. I too speak from experience I have had some nasty boot loops and or soft brick of my phone. I don't know about your past but if this is your first custom rom flash you may want to practice a bit before taking on an early stage rom.
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I agree, you should start off with something more stable to get used to flashing. The other day when build 10 came out I flashed just like I have been doing by performing a Dalvik and cache wipe then flashing the ROM and I ended up not getting past the splash screen. I had to take the phone back to stock, flash CM7 and then go back to ICS. For some reason in the process I lost 3 button combo so I had to use the ADB for reboots.
The point is take some time and learn from the beginning, don't just jump right in to the middle it will make your life easier in the long run.
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Sorry, it's just weird for him to say "you don't even know how to root" when that's the first thing I said about my phone...
I guess you've got a point. Maybe I'll start with something else.
If I wanted to start with CM7, could I start with this recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1202673
I would recommend ODIN, its much much easier. First off does your phone 3 button combos work? If not I would recommend flashing a 1 click GB rom w/ bootloaders. and then use a kernel like Boog's to flash cwm. If your 3 button works just flash any kernel with cwm and flash from that. In both cases make sure you have all the necessary .zips in your internal SD card.
The simple answer is you need to replace your stock recovery with a modified 2e or 3e recovery that clockworkmod is compatible with.
Since you are on 2.1, I believe you will need the 2e, but it may be easier for you to Odin to froyo and use a 3e recovery instead.
heres a video on how to do it.
here is the link for a modded 3e recovery file that you can download. that should take care of your problem if not let me know.
make sure to follow directions from video. after replacing this recovery file you should be able to flash clockworkmod thru rom manager just make sure to boot into recovery from rom manager if the stock recovery still shows up you may have to select the option to update packages from stock recovery once or twice to get cwm to take.
these directions have been used on both my captivate and my buddy's fascinate with no problems.
popodopolus said:
The simple answer is you need to replace your stock recovery with a modified 2e or 3e recovery that clockworkmod is compatible with.
Since you are on 2.1, I believe you will need the 2e, but it may be easier for you to Odin to froyo and use a 3e recovery instead.
heres a video on how to do it.
here is the link for a modded 3e recovery file that you can download. that should take care of your problem if not let me know.
make sure to follow directions from video. after replacing this recovery file you should be able to flash clockworkmod thru rom manager just make sure to boot into recovery from rom manager if the stock recovery still shows up you may have to select the option to update packages from stock recovery once or twice to get cwm to take.
these directions have been used on both my captivate and my buddy's fascinate with no problems.
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Wtf?
2.1 didn't require anything special for recovery. Update.Zip on sdcard and you are good. You damn sure don't replace recovery2e with anything else and it damn sure is not easier to use recovery3e.
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popodopolus said:
The simple answer is you need to replace your stock recovery with a modified 2e or 3e recovery that clockworkmod is compatible with.
Since you are on 2.1, I believe you will need the 2e, but it may be easier for you to Odin to froyo and use a 3e recovery instead.
heres a video on how to do it.
here is the link for a modded 3e recovery file that you can download. that should take care of your problem if not let me know.
make sure to follow directions from video. after replacing this recovery file you should be able to flash clockworkmod thru rom manager just make sure to boot into recovery from rom manager if the stock recovery still shows up you may have to select the option to update packages from stock recovery once or twice to get cwm to take.
these directions have been used on both my captivate and my buddy's fascinate with no problems.
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Uh no.... If he is on 2.1 and iss on 2e why in God's name would you want to flash 3e? In the end of the day why the hell don't you just flash a kernel with it baked in? (if you really want to flash something that is.)
Also DO NOT,by all that is holy, use Rom Manager. Its useless on our Galaxy S phones (not knocking on the dev, its brilliant for HTC's and Motorolas).
Sorry I miss typed he is on froyo so the links that I gave him will get the job done
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If he is on 2.2 its better for him to just flash a kernel with it baked. Gives him CWM + all the great tweaks.