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I have been going back and forth for a bit on wether or not to post this thread, but I think it is only fair for us testers and to post our thoughts and concerns. Mods, I apologize for posting a political thread in a technical forum, but this seems to be an applicable and thread worthy discussion So here it goes:
If anyone other than me (and the 5 trillion noobs on this site) have been following the 'black revolution', does anything seem funny about this whole situation with JJ leaving? First, he goes to htc-devs claiming that he refuses to deal with all of the stupid questions and double posts. This is understandable, and I would not be posting this thread if the situation had stopped there. However, the htc-devs forum had a spring-up new users when they found out JJ had moved (including me), but then ubruptly died off after he moved to 4winmoble. Coincidence...I think not.
Even though I personally think that black3.x is not as stable as 2.5, I highly regard JJ roms and I think that he is one of the top developers out. This post is not trash his work. However, I registered for 4wnmobile (grrrr....again) and checked it out to find that:
Is it me or is this forum slow as F***?
Is is me or are there more ads than posts?
Isnt it convenient that a certain developer got his own sub-forum (unlike the other forums where his work was previously posted)
Is it me or upon checking this forum do you see the same noob posts that were seen in xda?
So, my question is...
If our highly regarded (not being sarcastic) chef has moved due to the noobular influx, why did he not stay at htc-devs where he had mod control do delete these posts? Why did he perpetuate his problem by going to 4winmob?
Has JJ gone "hollywood"?
I have no idea....
$$$$$$$$!!!!
excuse me.... must be my turrets acting up again...
Seriously... perhaps JJ can elaborate.
at least your turrets only spits out a sentence. mine spits out 5 paragraphs
I usually stay out of these threads but I mean honestly, who gives a ****? let him do what he wants...
I see it like this:
Everyone has their choices. The ones you choose make who you are.
I personnally keep from postng as much as possible, not to be in the swarm of questions and be reffered to as a "noob". I have read and read the forums to upgrade my devices and fix them when I screw them up. If everyone would just read it would help out a lot.
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I usually stay out of these threads but I mean honestly, who gives a ****? let him do what he wants...
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Agreed. Let this subject die a quiet death.
There are plenty of us left who enjoy this forum and the work that everyone puts in. Chefs, people who share knowledge and answer posts. Noobs are mainly a problem when more experianced people get frustrated by them and start flame wars.
Just ignore them.
XDA still rocks.
Precisely... People come and go, it's natural progression... =)
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I have no idea....
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Sleuth255 said:
$$$$$$$$!!!!
excuse me.... must be my turrets acting up again...
Seriously... perhaps JJ can elaborate.
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Hi Slueth,
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Great moderation by the way in the hermes forum.....
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No NOT $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
i was given my own sub forum which i can completely moderate. I have also got two more moderators with me.
What is this crap about "Hollywood" posted by the member who started the thread? Get real dude, if u dont like then move on.
I also decided that having a general chit chat area on 4WM for people to get to know one another as well as to blow off steam- it is a good idea as it will help keep the tech discussions clean.
Now why dont u all just quit it,,,, for goodness sakes,,,, u are all making a big deal of this.
Yes the site has advertisements as 4winmobile.com is also a comprehensive product review site - WHO CARES!!!!! xda-devs has adds also.
Get over it and move on.....
And by the way, i dont make any money from 4WM - incase you were all wondering..... I just moved there as having control of my own forum seems like an excellent idea since MODERATION on this FORUM stinks!!!!!
Maybe if admin here gave users the power to moderate their threads things will be different. But WHO CARES now - MOVE ON!
Sick of this site, full of,,,, as has been put many times ****WITS!
@Peezy
Quote: Is it me or is this forum slow as F***?
Yes it has been slow at times DUE TO THE DDOS attacks - gee im wondering where they are coming from.
Really professional members on XDA-developers.
JJ, I thought you had your own forum to moderate? I have to say, I have healthy amount of respect for what you've done for the community with the ROMs that you've cooked. In fact, I used to run Black 2.5 on my 8525. I've noticed one of the complaints of people moved forums away from XDA was that that there are too many people posting useless messages like, "WOW~ cool. Downloading now! Thanks man~" Which is strange... Because I thought that was in-line with the spirit of the community. But regardless, I'd like to say thank you for your hard work.
But as you've said repeated, it's time for you to move on. It's too bad that you were frustrated with the moderation in this forum. As forums become popular, they tend to attract lot of n00bs (like myself)...and considering most moderators (like yourself) do not do this full time, I'm sure it's not an easy task. I do, along with many users, appreciate all the hard work. Even if they are not perfect...since I'm not the one who's doing the hard work...I can try to give bit of suggestions here and there...but I really can't complain. I really wish things stayed here on the XDA forums. But too bad things came down to this. But yes...it's time for the community to move on.
I, for one, will stay on XDA. I guess that's my choice. I feel like community is what we make of it. We can always uproot and start a new one...but doesn't change that fact that we owe something to our roots. I've learned everything about my 8525 on this forum. I've never posted much...but I always read and read. It's just in my nature. I figured things out on my own with all the helpful suggestions from other members. So far, I've managed to not brick mine. So I do feel certain sense of loyalty. Correct me if I'm wrong...didn't you get started on these boards as well?
I agree that you've given back to the community infinitely more than I. But I'm still part of this community...and I think I have the right to say that your posts only tarnish your image and past accomplishments on these boards...and bring everybody down. Now that you are a moderator...I've read few posts on your boards about how you'll ban a user for a single misstep. Good luck in that. I guess that's how you get rid of n00bs like me. But being elitist can take you so far. It's just a phone. Yup. A phone. People will drop off as they move away from Hermes and get new phones. Then we are all back to being n00bs again...including you.
Good luck with your board.
Ouch or Wow?
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JJ, I thought you had your own forum to moderate? I have to say, I have healthy amount of respect for what you've done for the community with the ROMs that you've cooked. In fact, I used to run Black 2.5 on my 8525. I've noticed one of the complaints of people moved forums away from XDA was that that there are too many people posting useless messages like, "WOW~ cool. Downloading now! Thanks man~" Which is strange... Because I thought that was in-line with the spirit of the community. But regardless, I'd like to say thank you for your hard work.
But as you've said repeated, it's time for you to move on. It's too bad that you were frustrated with the moderation in this forum. As forums become popular, they tend to attract lot of n00bs (like myself)...and considering most moderators (like yourself) do not do this full time, I'm sure it's not an easy task. I do, along with many users, appreciate all the hard work. Even if they are not perfect...since I'm not the one who's doing the hard work...I can try to give bit of suggestions here and there...but I really can't complain. I really wish things stayed here on the XDA forums. But too bad things came down to this. But yes...it's time for the community to move on.
I, for one, will stay on XDA. I guess that's my choice. I feel like community is what we make of it. We can always uproot and start a new one...but doesn't change that fact that we owe something to our roots. I've learned everything about my 8525 on this forum. I've never posted much...but I always read and read. It's just in my nature. I figured things out on my own with all the helpful suggestions from other members. So far, I've managed to not brick mine. So I do feel certain sense of loyalty. Correct me if I'm wrong...didn't you get started on these boards as well?
I agree that you've given back to the community infinitely more than I. But I'm still part of this community...and I think I have the right to say that your posts only tarnish your image and past accomplishments on these boards...and bring everybody down. Now that you are a moderator...I've read few posts on your boards about how you'll ban a user for a single misstep. Good luck in that. I guess that's how you get rid of n00bs like me. But being elitist can take you so far. It's just a phone. Yup. A phone. People will drop off as they move away from Hermes and get new phones. Then we are all back to being n00bs again...including you.
Good luck with your board.
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I'm going to guess that by the lack responses that I'm the first to blink, take a deep breath, and decide to say wow, or ouch. Wow for the last post and ouch for it as well. Whoever you are JELLYCOW, that's the most eloquent, constructively insightfull, and conclusively solid summary I think I've ever read in my life. Thank you. Well said; Top Notch; Classy to say the least.
So to JJ... Keep it real yo. As devolpers go, You're work is stellar, and I'm addicted. I went Black... and the only back I ever will go, is gonna be XDA Devs... I started with my Blue Angel and followed the phones as they came out. But my Hermes... it's heart & soul are from you. It's one of the many handsets that run your OS's, past present & yet to come. Keep doing your ****, we all gotta be good at something. This is what you do... you do it well. Your fans and testers, we will follow... Thanks bro.. Peace
NOW WILL SOMEBODY GET JELLYCOW A DAMN PUBLIC RELATIONS JOB WHILE YOU CAN STILL AFFORD THEM... CAUSE THAT ONE IS GONNA GO FAR... THAT LAST POST IS THE PROOF.
Now i'm going to suck down half a bottle of Hershy's Chocolate Syrup, have a glass of Almond Milk, and tuck my hermes into bed with me so it can wake me up in the morning... cause I'm passing out!!!
[And role credits... that's all folks]
-DJBlu
Well said
Agreed, well said JellyCow. I'm also a Noob, read daily and post infrequently and an avid Black 2.5 user. No question at all that JJ is very talented and deserves a lot of credit...though I think some people go overboard with the brown nosing. He kind of reminds me of some of my coder friends. Extremely talented but volatile. Sometimes extremely talented or tech savvy people just are not equipped with the personality or patience to deal with noobs. Often that only comes with maturity and age. Either way..try not to take yourself too seriously and remember that you started doing this for FUN.
Please, could someone move this PRECIOUS thread full of WONDERFULL non-requested advices to the off-topic section?
... I'm trying to read about WM6 ... thanks!
N1kko, L2readthruthreads.
Having downloaded most of JJs delicacies, I wondered what happened to him and his goodies.
This gives some closure.
All the best JJ.
Ok people, get over it.. like said before its the nature of the beast, people move on and new people take over... just because JJ is making a decision to move on doesnt mean that other people will stop cooking. Its not like this is the first time that a chef/developer has left to have a board they can moderate on due to frustrations from other members.
And who cares what his motivation to move on is?!? i mean honestly?!? JJ is going to do whats best for JJ, he is a big boy and can do what he wants. Its not like he is disappearing or quitting cooking, just moving. He was kind enough to let everyone know where he is going so you can join him, but that doesnt mean you have to abandon XDA either.. everyone has the freedom of choice, so make a choice and quit complaining.
Also i have had many conversations with JJ, and i like JJ, i personally dont want to see him go, but i also understand his frustration. This frustration is a double edged sword.. On one hand we have a developer that is good for the board, cooking roms, etc.. On the other hand we had a frustrated developer that was being abusive to noobs and other members which was making the boards harder to moderate...
JJ, i have an amazing amount of respect for you, and you know that, your a great guy and i do consider you a friend personally, but from a moderator standpoint in regards to the poor moderation; you were part of the problem just as much as the st00pid n00b questions that frustrated you.
With all that being said, i wish you well and hope to have future conversations with you!
Well, I cant say that the backlash was not expected, especially from JJ. I think he has every right to explain his concerns, and I am happy that he did. Again, for people who dont know how to FULLY read a post, I respect JJ's work and equally respect his talent as a developer. My reasoning for even posting this thread (sorry again mods for not posting in 'off-topic') is to give US tester a chance to air out our concerns.
We spend a LOT of time reading and learning how to get the best out of our devices. We pride ourselves in being memebers of this great site, and we pride the work that is published here. We all know that there are some problems with the noobs, and I agree with you shogunmark that this is just natural progression. What is NOT, however, is our ability to deal with it. We have all flamed before, and for those of you who have taken time to even ponder if there is a better solution, I thank you.
Im not here to flame JJ, that would be stupid seeing that I am currently using his ROM. I posted this thread to stir up the pot, and also to address our 'roots'. To speak out for us loyal xda-followers. I have once thought about finding another home, and I'm sure most of us have thought that too. I feel stupid for even attempting to follow JJ around the world for his stuff, and again I'm sure some of you feel the same way too.
The fact of the matter is that I started here, and this is where I am gonna stay. I thank all of you who share the same sense of passion and resolve to make sure that we keep xda the best site around!
It's my belief that this needed to be aired out. Thus the reason for my somewhat tongue-in-cheek initial post.
XDA developers forums are having issues not because of the way we run this board but because we're currently offering WM6 while the rest of the world is still running WM5.
History repeats itself. Have a look through the archives and you'll see astounding similarities when XDA was first to release WM5 while the rest of the world was still running 2003.
We will never silence the voice of a n00b here.
Look, I am probably treading on water I should not be. With that being said here it goes. I know most would consider me to be a noob, well as far as WM based phones I am. I however do have the aspiration to learn, and when I say learn I mean learn, and not beg someone to help me without doing research first. I would consider myself VERY technologically advanced and a “noob” in some other areas. I believe that we are all here for the same reason, mine is to grasp a better understanding in a area I have the aspiration to learn more in. I know my spelling and grammar may not be up to par. But don’t criticize me for my basic downfalls. It utterly disgusts me when a member posts a new thread and 80% of the people bash him for doing so. Myself and everybody else are on here for the same thing, learning, development, hacking, and ways to improve a device that needs improvement. So I ask you (the ones who do the bashing). Who the hell do you think you are, you were once in the same position as the “noobs”, and how did you get as far as you got? I am pretty sure it was brainstorming and asking question’s, so in closing I will say to the “bashers” get off your self riotous proverbial podium and help spread your knowledge to better this community and help others as they have helped you in the past.
ffs!!
SEARCH BEFORE YOU POST!
with any forum it is normal to be expected that you go through at least the wiki or whatever stickys are on the thread they are looking at before posting. I am not sure what was said to you (or what you saw) to feel this way but i have seen people get angry over posts by people that clearly chose not to read simple things, and i have seen some people go a lil overboard (possibly because they get asked the same question 10 times in one thread) case in point the radio issue with Dutty's Rom, a thread that clearly states to read post 2, and yet the question gets asked, over and over again "why don't i have sound" I must comment people like Dave Shaw that took it upon themselves to answer without getting angry.
Yeah we are all here to learn and make things better, but some people come here acting like they are owed something, or hear by word of mouth or other forums go get this app, or rom from xda, and want to take shortcuts. And for the people that have essentially made this community what it is, its can be a lil disrespectful, like coming into someones house and not wiping your shoes (or taking them off).
So sorry if someone went at you a lil harsh, in general this place has great members, the odd a$$hole from time to time or some people that are just having a bad day. Regardless, welcome aboard and READ THE WIKI (just kiddin)
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with any forum it is normal to be expected that you go through at least the wiki or whatever stickys are on the thread they are looking at before posting. I am not sure what was said to you (or what you saw) to feel this way but i have seen people get angry over posts by people that clearly chose not to read simple things, and i have seen some people go a lil overboard (possibly because they get asked the same question 10 times in one thread) case in point the radio issue with Dutty's Rom, a thread that clearly states to read post 2, and yet the question gets asked, over and over again "why don't i have sound" I must comment people like Dave Shaw that took it upon themselves to answer without getting angry.
Yeah we are all here to learn and make things better, but some people come here acting like they are owed something, or hear by word of mouth or other forums go get this app, or rom from xda, and want to take shortcuts. And for the people that have essentially made this community what it is, its can be a lil disrespectful, like coming into someones house and not wiping your shoes (or taking them off).
So sorry if someone went at you a lil harsh, in general this place has great members, the odd a$$hole from time to time or some people that are just having a bad day. Regardless, welcome aboard and READ THE WIKI (just kiddin)
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I fully agree with you, and personally ive never had someone attack me. I do firmly believe that better research needs to be done before a post!!, but sometimes the member really isint sure what to search for. Ill make it clear its not everybody bashing just a few, all i hoped for in my thread/post is to make people realise that there is one common goal here.
thanks for hearing me.
Great post!!!
I could not agree with you more..there is a real patronising attitude thrown up by quite a few members to questions that sometimes aren,t as easy to search for as they should be!!
If there is some (hopefully constructive) criticism allowed at the forum, the wiki, the threads, I'd like to express few points:
- Wiki entries contain lots of links, and more than half of those where you hope or expect to find the answers you're looking for, point to some kilometric threads in this forum (some several hundred posts threads sometimes). It would be useful if the respective information would be edited as wiki text too, like in other wikis, not only links to such kilometric threads.
- The search functionalities (built in and Google) not always return what you're looking for, sometimes because you don't formulate the keywords well, sometimes you can't (when the keyword you're looking for IS just 3 letters for example, the forum search returns nothing;
- the results point you to interminable threads where you just can't sit and read all 989 posts to get the picture..
As you see, it's not always easy to find your way, some people hate too many related threads and prefer few kilometric ones, others demand to move all kaiser-graphics-driver related threads in a subsection, and so on. Others again, spend hours in the forum and may know them as their own pocket and demand this from everyone else...
Here Here!
I couldn't agree more. I am relatively new here as far as posting but I read and search a lot, and I have tried to be as helpful as possible when I do post. I don't know how many times I have done a search and found a thread or three with someone asking the exact question I have only to see them shot down by some "senior member" telling them to do a search.
If you know where the info is, just post a link to it...then the next time, the likely hood of getting a hit on a search will increase even if you didn't use exactly the right keyword or search term.
Think of the forum as a great big data base with a very imperfect means of accessing the info...searches and question postings. Half the battle is trying to figure out what something is called in order to search.
Rich
if you want to know why most members are getting tired of the same old questions, check the kaiser upgrading section and see how many times it has been asked "why don't I have sound after flashing a rom?" I understand your anger with the "senior" members, as you call them, but it is kind of like riding in the car with a 3 yr. old constantly asking "Are we there yet?" every 5 seconds. Trust me, my kid is 5 yrs. old and I know how it feels. Just remember, sometimes a kind word will change someone's attitude completely.
BTW, Please search before you post.
Here, here KD8DNS!
I do agree that there is an abundance of arrogance on these forums, and it has been noted on other reputable forums such as modaco. Too many Yanks, if you ask me. lol
Sometimes it's hard to search for what you are looking for, and reading 51 pages plus, can seem a bit much. Computers and laptops I'm quite fluent in, but Pocket PC's are another thing all together.
I'm certain I'm guilty of posting commonly asked questions as some member’s explanations are not so straight forward and precise. I know I am a qualitative person and do not interpret half sentences with very lax grammar by some members.
That being said, people who post on the Kaiser Accessories page requesting advice for the best bluetooth headsets really have no excuse. Headphones is not a difficult area to get your head around, so why there are about 10 threads spanning over two board pages revolving around the same theme- 'what is the best Bluetooth headset'- is beyond me.
I side with P1tater here a bit... I am a noob in every sense of the work, technamolology and me just dont go much... but I found that by reading... alot... and just mooching around looking at all the stickies, wikis etc I learned about nearly all the things I needed to know before toying with my phone... thats pretty important I would say... TBH I am quite surprised at the restraint shown sometimes... esp when someone asks a question that was answered in a post or two before they asked...
I am by no means a senior member in the sense that I am experienced in WM devices and would class myself as a relative inexperienced user of WM devices but even I am sick to the teeth of the same questions being asked.
Does this make me arrogant or elitist. I don't think so.
One could argue that there are some noobies who are too lazy to read a thread or do the research. After all it's not as if it's life or death you find the answer to your question so why not spend the time reading the all posts in a thread.
I for one do not want to brick my device through lack of knowledge of what I'm doing and therefore will read a thread thats 989 posts long.
I do agree that the search functions on this forum are pathetic but that shouldn't detract from the fact that the info is mostly available.
I have read some posts made by noobies in the middle of threads stating that they couldn't be bothered to read the full thread. Now that is just plain laziness and a reason why some threads are so long.
@ zoolooc
you made the following point:
- Wiki entries contain lots of links, and more than half of those where you hope or expect to find the answers you're looking for, point to some kilometric threads in this forum (some several hundred posts threads sometimes). It would be useful if the respective information would be edited as wiki text too, like in other wikis, not only links to such kilometric threads.
perhap you would like to take this on board to help out your fellow noobies.
k-c
New users posting new threads to get attention to their own problem adds nothing to the community as a whole, especially when it's a redundant question which can be found by searching and/or reading. This abuse of the community by new members for their own impatience and selfish needs is why senior members become angry at the situation and vent.
I also find it ironic that you've started this post, as I've started a thread to discuss solutions to the constant abuse, because the last thing I want to do is vent my frustrations at new users...
REDUNDANT THREADS - What can we do about it?
P.S. I've created a total of 11 threads on this forum, with 7 of them being contributions, 3 of them being legitimate discussions for the community and the last one being questions to further my contributions. That's out of 500+ posts that I currently have.
I've noticed that out of your 12 current posts, 7 of them are new threads (including this one). That's pretty bad forum etiquette as far as I'm concerned.
Abrasive American’s and attention seeking noobs seem to clash
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I resemble that remark
Actually I'm sure that my posts fall under the "arrogant" heading because I do come off that way when I'm frustrated and irritated. And with my giving up the nicotine...I irritate easily right now. However, ignorance is no excuse. I have not started a single thread and I don't think I've asked a single question thus far on flashing my Tilt. Why? I lurked and read. I took notes on the gotchas. I now flash pretty regularly and have UC up and running with a ridiculous amount of changes. This tells me it's possible to not muck up the forum with all this redundant "me me me" and "my problem must be unique" posts.
Look at any of Dutty's ROM release threads. Now go read one of them from beginning to end. Guess what...you could cut them easily in half if you took out the redundant questions and their redundant (and usually snide if they're mine) responses. Now, for those of us that actually spend large amounts of time here...that's frustrating. It's not that we don't understand that you have a problem and you just want an answer. We just expect that you make some sort of token effort first. You're changing your phone's software. This in itself expects a certain amount of knowledge and a certain comfort level with the actions and risks involved. But in reading these threads, it doesn't look like we've got that with a large number of members...which is scary.
So pardon me if I seem rude, crude, snide, snarky, or arrogant. But I stand by my belief that if you are incapable of even the most basic of research before embarking on flashing the ROM on your device, then you don't belong here because you obviously are not as prepared as you need to be before making such device changes. I'm trying to be a little less blunt about it right now, but don't expect me to have Dave Shaw's patience. (BTW Dave...how the heck do you manage that??)
well, this has turned in to a thread with a relevancy factor of 0.0
I'm closing this thread before it degrades further...
This is a discussion that has been hashed, rehashed, buried, resurrected and left to walk the planet in the shadows of the living.
Please report redundant threads to the mods, I love merging them and thus confusing the flow of them!
The search function is being actively worked on. Google seems to work better than the vBulliten search so the Admins are currently working on tight integration of the Google search for you.
Bottom line is that you get out of this site what you put into it!
WDF is up with retarded people moving on from small nokia's to the fuze and other ppc phones? They have no idea what they're doing! I mean come the fk on! One guy doesn't know how to transfer ringtones from his storage card to his /windows folder! I was just on the aee tee n tee forums. I mean FFS! Don't buy something you are not capable of handing! Is the world full of that many retarded/stupid people? They buy something that they are not fully capable of understand/using and then they complain about how bad it is. People are such idiots..
LOL! I've been thinking the same thing. I always thought I had the best of the best, which included all the extras I've got on it. But, when I see a f'n 12 year old girl T-X-T'n her mutha f***'n BFF on her brand new Touch Pro, I say WTF!!!!
I will make a general statement here....
People should be tested and then licensed before they are allowed to breed.
I HATE seeing people with expensive electronics... THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE!
Whether it be a Diamond, or even a Touch, it just isn't right. Especially like MacBooks, MacBook Pros, Vaios... ugh. "How do I install an app???" GAH!
an old wize man once said, "Never Believe a noob when he says "it didnt work !" "
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I HATE seeing people with expensive electronics... THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE!
Whether it be a Diamond, or even a Touch, it just isn't right. Especially like MacBooks, MacBook Pros, Vaios... ugh. "How do I install an app???" GAH!
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Completly agree mate!!
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WDF is up with retarded people moving on from small nokia's to the fuze and other ppc phones? They have no idea what they're doing! I mean come the fk on! One guy doesn't know how to transfer ringtones from his storage card to his /windows folder! I was just on the aee tee n tee forums. I mean FFS! Don't buy something you are not capable of handing! Is the world full of that many retarded/stupid people? They buy something that they are not fully capable of understand/using and then they complain about how bad it is. People are such idiots..
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I don't agree with you and think that really you are just fed up with the noobs asking (in our opinion) questions that have rather simple answers just because they didn't take the time to search for the answer themselves. We have all been NOOBS at one time and had to figure out how to use our devices ourselves one way or the other. I myself only moved to a WM device a year ago (Previously had a Nokia 6620). The biggest difference was that I did tons of reading, research and soon discovered that there was so much more my device could do and learned how to customize by device. The point is, Everyone who gets a new device has to learn how to use it somehow. We just have to have some patience and try to help them learn how to use these forums so that they can teach themselves. It doesn't serve any purpose to be rude and call all these new WM device owners "retards" "Stupid" "Idiots", or to assume that they don't know how to handle these devices. They are still learning as we all did at one point.
Really if you are that annoyed with them then don't help them out. Just ignore the posts. Starting a thread like this doesn't serve to help this community. Isn't the purpose of this community suppose to be to help each other out though cooperation, sharing what we know about out devices with others, so that they can later help out other noobs themselves. It kind of defeats the purpose of this forum to constantly flame the noobs whenever they have a question and really if we don't try to help them by pointing them in the right direction, we are not being productive members of this community ourselves.
I'm not a programmer and will never pretend to be one or even understand anything about programming, so I can't contribute to this community that way; however, I can still contribute by helping other people understand the basics of their devices, solve / work around some of the quirks of their devices. You never know who you might be helping - one of these noobs my be a great programmer who after learning how to use their device and work around the devices short-commings, figure out how to improve on things themselves and share with the rest of us or write a really cool new app to share with the rest of us.
if you check out point # 8 and #9 by Administrator Peter Poelman here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=221545
this basically says it all.
8. Stay cool
Think of this as a on-line temple. A sacred place, dedicated to collaboration, learning and collective wisdom. Don't shout and try not to get angry. Maybe the world should adhere more to the basic filosofy of Internet protocol design: "Be strict about what you send, and liberal about what you receive". This forum has people from all countries, cultures and levels of mental maturity. This means that no matter what you're like, you'll have to adjust to people that are most definitely not like you. But on the other hand, try to be gentle with people, even in the event they're not gentle with you. It will gain you many reputation points if you help to keep the peace.
9. Help others if you can
OK, you can post that message now. If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping eachother, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
Take Care
Rod
@Rod.
No. Not really. I'm cool. I know we were all noobs at one time or the other, but I myself do not remember asking questions such as those. It could be some are naturally talented in technology. But I'm just saying, don't buy things that you don't know about. I tend to know things inside out before I even buy it.
i think what kraize is saying is bull at the end of the day we slag off noobs because they dont kno how to use the devices and wish they knew how to but because no one will tell them how theyll never become wiser if this goes on then the next generation of ppc user will be screwed because they been treat with contempt and told they shouldnt use these devices these people could be the next rom and software developers if they have the passion and apply them selves
so really they are not idiots theyve just been let down by a bunch of eletists who used to love teaching new things, but have lost the passion due to snootines or whatever
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@Rod.
No. Not really. I'm cool. I know we were all noobs at one time or the other, but I myself do not remember asking questions such as those. It could be some are naturally talented in technology. But I'm just saying, don't buy things that you don't know about. I tend to know things inside out before I even buy it.
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Hi Kraize. I fully agree with you that it is best to learn as much about a device before you buy it. Everyone should do this for anything they buy - Car, TV, Stereo, Computer, etc... I don't buy anyting until I have done some thorough research on the item - read reviews etc... to make sure it is a good device. I admit that I still didn't know much about WM devices when I purchased mine, only read reviews and certain web sites and asked lots of questions at the store where I purchased it. (but even the Rogers store clerks can't tell you about the full potential of these devices**They just don't know the devices they sell that well). I have to say though that if it wasn't for this forum, I wouldn't have learned as much about my device as I had. Keep in mind, I didn't start any NOOB threads asking silly questions. I joined in March 2008, but had been visiting this site since December 2007 after I purchased my device and learned as much as I could just searching, reading, searching more, reading and reading and reading and experimenting. I origianally only joined this community so that I could download some of the cool apps that have been developped by the other members here, but then found out that I can actually help others with what I had learned. To this date, I still have not started a single thread asking a question. I only PM'd one individual with one NOOB type question (asking about the difference between the touch Elf and touch Vogue ROM's ) as I could not find this information in my searches. (thanks to TheChampJT for answering this for me).
With this said - I won't say for sure that I won't ever feel the need to start a new thread asking a question, and I hope that if the time comes, people are understanding and either offer constructive answers or point me in the right direction.
What I would undertand ranting about, would be ranting about the ones who join this community and don't even try to find the answers for themselves or they do one search and don't dig deep enough to find their answers. Most answers are already out there but they just don't want to bother. I have spent many hours searching and finding my own answers, so I know it is possible and to see others not even try really burns me. I understand why they have questions, I had them myself, but for goodness sakes, if you have a new device and don't understand how to use it to it's full potential, then you have to do some reading and learn how to use it. Don't just immediately expect others to give you step by step instructions on what to do. Even if someone did do this, you wouldn't even understand how to use the device still since you didn't do it yourself.
It's all part of the adventure - learning how to maximize your device and understanding it and everyone deserves a chance to have this. Those who want an immediatlely easy to use and set up device - should get an IPhone
@ Everyone.
I'm trying to say here that I'm not dissing those who want to learn about the devices. I'm dissing those who are lazy and non-appreciative about it. Like a lot of other people, I've been a lurker for this site for a very long time. A couple years in fact. But those people that just ask things and wonder things without even reading the manual or typing it up on google dissappoint me. Btw. I've never really said anything about this site. I meant like on the AT&T forums. Too many people don't know a thing. I feel that CS and reps in stores feel the same way when retards come in asking how to turn on the phone (Beleive me, it has happened. In front me my eyes when I was buying the fuze).
hotrod pming is fine i have asked question by opening thread got flamed and understood but at the same time i was overjoyed with the few users who helped these peole dont need flaming they need teaching and its our right as winmo users to help them
I have a dream that one day this communtiy will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all mobiles are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former mokia owners and the sons of former motorola owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that my three little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the OS on there mobiles or there ability to flash a rom but by being able to ask a question this wonderful of all sites and not get flames
I have a dream that one day, down in XDA, with its vicious Senior members, with its policy having its lips dripping with the words of "NOOB" and "READ THE WIKI" in such a nasty way. that this will all end and we can teach so they to can teach the ways on winmo
Or when you check the comments on freewarepocketpc before downloading and see tons of idiots asking for installation instructions. On the other hand WM phones are being marketed more and more as entertainment devices. It's not a f'n iPhone!
But a cab file? Google dammit! It's so damn simple!
Here's my rant (not quite sure if it's off topic, but it's ranting about stupid people):
Context: Our router failed. After a week of saying I was wrong and trying every random solution from the internet, my father finally admitted (claimed he knew it all along) that the router was broken and got us a new 110$ b/g/n router. We are 3 in the house and we only surf the web, no BitTorrent or anything fancy.
-Your father got a new router and it's working perfectly
-Nice!
-It's an N router
-But our computers don't support n, what's the point? There are 40$ routers that do the job
-Ours do, it's going to be way faster.
-Actually, I doubt so. Our router is already faster than the internet connection itself, there's a bottleneck.
-Yes but it's an n router, it's faster
-No, it can't be faster, we already topped the possible speed with our previous router. It's not like we were a dozen using the same connection to share file accross a football field. Another D-Link 524 would have done the job.
-You don't understand, it's faster, it's the new technology.
*goes back to work*
This thread is not going any where.. It's going to cause some flaming and such
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an old wize man once said, "Never Believe a noob when he says "it didnt work !" "
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this is probably one of my favorite quotes if ever read
you just have to look at the diamond threads
how many " phone bricked" threads are started
i will always try to help
but its suprised me how many are try to do thing that they haven't a clue about what they are "trying" to do
....or won't even take 5 mins to read a 1st post on a tread telling them what to do.
Mmmmm Its a shame, maybe a MOD wanna be here
I think that here are many **** people that dont read his own post... this Thread is embarrasing and ****s up all the forum... SENIORS and... saying this kind of things... its a real shame fellows, that needs to read again the threads many people pm me by msn real lost mens telling me men! I brick my phone... and i just help them... thats all!
Expensive, cheaps, guys, old men, are the same just need to have experience but y'all screw up that hope.
GOD you are so Tough and I think the champ must be some more quite.
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I think that here are many **** people that dont read his own post... this Thread is embarrasing and ****s up all the forum... SENIORS and... saying this kind of things... its a real shame fellows, that needs to read again the threads many people pm me by msn real lost mens telling me men! I brick my phone... and i just help them... thats all!
Expensive, cheaps, guys, old men, are the same just need to have experience but y'all screw up that hope.
GOD you are so Tough and I think the champ must be some more quite.
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Hmmmmmm........
I keep reading this line over,
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I think the champ must be some more quite.
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I think the champ must be some more quite.
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and over again!
Maybe I'm the only lost one, but WTF are you saying, and further more, about me?
Easy men easy...
WTF what? I saw your post numbers... your star (ten EUR donate) your Avatar and I saw a Guy that likes to help people... but nop he is tire about helping idiots.... but.... Does it makes any sense? is not my problem man!... just be a little more relax... with that tongue men! be cool... flamming threads arent welcome anywhere, well in www.apestan.com you can post your fury about XDA n00bs.
Thats all.
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WTF what? I saw your post numbers... your star (ten EUR donate) your Avatar and I saw a Guy that likes to help people... but nop he is tire about helping idiots.... but.... Does it makes any sense? is not my problem man!... just be a little more relax... with that tongue men! be cool... flamming threads arent welcome anywhere, well in www.apestan.com you can post your fury about XDA n00bs.
Thats all.
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I understood your post, but am confused at the take on me referring to a REAL LIFE person. I think you should read my post again. No mention of xda users in it, in fact I've found myself to be helpful here, and hope there are some that would say the same.
Hei there, i'm a ****ing man who has an android website..
Yesterday i had a very nice conversation with haykuro. I wanted to suggest him to not be so bad with other developers writing publically that everything belong from haykuro..
After other sentences the conversation gone ahead and i discovered that haykuro thinks to be the best developers here ( I think jf is the best ) , even when i tried to explain that i made some roms and i know people sometimes is frustrating he remarked me that he is ahead of everything and withouth him i could not post every rom.. ( this is not true because i released dream roms for italian users learning from JF )
Haykuro released publically some logs withouth explicit authorization, so i did (with his authorization) and i would like to share it with you all..
Link here: http://www.androidiani.com/news/androidiani-presents-haykuro-2999
....Wrong section? Should this even be in Dream?!
alritewhadeva probably there is no section ok for this topic ...
But as haykuro is an android developer , i think that this section will match more than others.
The internet is serious business.
What is the point of this thread? I think that Haykuro has made a great deal of effort to contribute to this community and should be rightfully acknowledged.
Okay then. Maybe you should stop bashing him...He's done so much and yes he has a high ego. Too high for his good I agree, but after all he's done? I agree JF is better than him. Without Haykuro we wouldn't have the Magic Rooted or the Rogers Dream rooted...we wouldn't have gotten an early taste of hero. The kid has done so much and he just asks for a little credit. Lots of people on this forum are not giving credit where credit is due and it's completely understandable why he doesn't like the XDA forums and why he's asking for credit. He's a good guy.
Actually, it's not.
In fact, I don't think any section "will match more than others".
*off to look for the "I have to pick petty internet fights to compensate for the fact that I'm a guy named Andrea" section on XDA*
double post!
I shouldn't even feed into this. But before its locked... let haykuro have his ego. At 17 look what hels provided the community with. And even after he "left" xda he still made major accomplishments. Your poking him with a stick and wondering why he's not being nice. Let the man work.
Quick! Someone repossess his android device!!
- in before the lock.
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Okay then. Maybe you should stop bashing him...He's done so much and yes he has a high ego. Too high for his good I agree, but after all he's done? I agree JF is better than him. Without Haykuro we wouldn't have the Magic Rooted or the Rogers Dream rooted...we wouldn't have gotten an early taste of hero. The kid has done so much and he just asks for a little credit. Lots of people on this forum are not giving credit where credit is due and it's completely understandable why he doesn't like the XDA forums and why he's asking for credit. He's a good guy.
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I'm not stating he hasn't done good things i'm thankfull he done a lot of things..
you are forgetting he is taking a lot of greetings for things not done.. Furthermore he did tweets for other developers telling the world that thoose developers didn't thanked him...
I think this is not a good way to communicate
BTW haykuro is a good developer (i stated it a lot of times here and on my post ) But should try to think before posting..
discredit good developers is not the right way ... if i was on fatal1ty and nk02 i would be a little angry with him :
First because haykuro offended them
Second because haykuro didn't helped them
Third because haykuro twitted to the world the work was from him
If you find this post ridicolous or can't say anything more thant ( this is not the right section ) please don't post below
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MODS, please close this useless thread and send it to the trash.
As a new member I have learned that XDA is a place where everyone can come to learn about pretty much whatever they want. What I have also learned is that XDA is not a place to post about general, non-technical, topics where users are bashing other members and phishing for things that are irrelevant.
I think people are blowing this out of proportion, it isn't like hes asking for money hes just asking for a simple one word acknowledgement which in most cases he deserves.
Well haykuro has gone crazy lately, he now shows he is 17 immature little boy who needs to grow up. I've been following him on Twitter and reading post he has made on des, and he is becoming a tucking asshole. Now. Example:
Mike makes a Rom and thanks haykuro for his help, and then most members thank mike
Haykuro doesn't like this and wants all credit to him while all he did was. Help a little.
And the above example is actually true. Which happened not so long ago.
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I think people are blowing this out of proportion, it isn't like hes asking for money hes just asking for a simple one word acknowledgement which in most cases he deserves.
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again .. It's ok i say thank to haykuro for what he did..
But please haykuro stop stress other people.. Not everyone is stealing your work..
Dladu, i agree with you.. But the way he asks the word is wrong..
Where are the mods? I miss them. =(
Hey, let's go continue this conversation on that one really popular high-profile Android-related site - you know, androidiani.com!
Oh wait, the comments there are moderated, much like Communism. *sigh*
Haykuro is one of the best. He has contributed so much in so little time that it's amazing. If he wants proper credit, for sure. If he wants some credit for things he only had a helping hand in, why not? If he wants credit for making the sun rise, hell I'd give him that too!!
The only reason theres been any conflict is because some of the other devs have an ego just as big, or bigger, than him, thus preventing them from being able to give credit unless they feel they should.
Does it hurt you all more, to give a little credit (even if you think its not deserved), than it hurts for haykuro to feel like people take his work and don't aknowledge it?
Everyone else should temper their egos because Haykuro is an asset we should try to keep.
Wow.
Maybe it's just me, but even after reading all of that, I still don't care.
Haykuro wants credit he feels is due from other developers. That's between those developers and himself.
I'm not a party to whatever events led to all of this, but I'm comfortable saying that if he contributed to the efforts of others, he deserves some modicum of credit. The reason people put in countless hours working on this stuff for free is to further the community, and if their only compensation is community recognition and they get slighted -- that's a problem for everyone. I'm not just talking about Haykuro here, either, it applies to anyone and everyone whose contributions have any value.
Cheers!
Without Haykuro, we wouldn't be as far along as we are today. MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS BASH THREAD.
Haykuro has done a hell of a lot for this forum, i know that, but is he the best developer here? i'd say so.
But i've said it before and i'll say it again, his attitude is terrible.
I'm all for him getting all the credit he deserves, i'd actively go out of my way to make sure he gets his credit, and i know he's only 17, but he needs to sort out his attitude now. If he leaves it any longer it could 'stick' with him and no one wants to ascociate themselves with someone that egotistical.
I know he's done a hell of a lot for XDA, but think of everything XDA has done for HIM! With all the donations we gave him, we even bought him a phone for christs sake! Then one day some of his work gets leaked and thats it, he runs off, never to return. I know it must be frustrating, but **** happens and you need to deal with it.
I respect Haykuro immensely as a developer, but his attitude towards his work needs to change.
most of you probably wont agree with me, but thats just my thoughts on the subject
As of lately our beloved forum has seen some of the worst negativity and bashing I have ever seen. I am not completely innocent in this either. I have made a couple of comments I shouldnt have made too and I apologize to whoever I may have offended. But to be honest this type of behavior and just meanness has to stop. I love XDA and everything we do but we are losing members and developers daily because of all the hate here. If you dont like a rom or whatever work has been done just please keep all the negativity to yourselves. If you have a problem with someone keep it in pm and not in their thread. We have to turn this forum around or we are setting ourselves and our phones up for doom. We have lost alot of good people and maybe if the see the drama has stopped they will come back. I too am on the fence about getting a different phone and moving on but i love this phone. I am capable of building my own roms and themes but I love having a place to share ideas and our work. I am begging my fellow XDA brothers and sisters to help in the effort to make XDA what it once was. With that being said I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and joyous holiday season!
Good stuff man and you are definitely right! Lets stop the bs and get along.....merry christmas xda
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As of lately our beloved forum has seen some of the worst negativity and bashing I have ever seen. I am not completely innocent in this either. I have made a couple of comments I shouldnt have made too and I apologize to whoever I may have offended. But to be honest this type of behavior and just meanness has to stop. I love XDA and everything we do but we are losing members and developers daily because of all the hate here. If you dont like a rom or whatever work has been done just please keep all the negativity to yourselves. If you have a problem with someone keep it in pm and not in their thread. We have to turn this forum around or we are setting ourselves and our phones up for doom. We have lost alot of good people and maybe if the see the drama has stopped they will come back. I too am on the fence about getting a different phone and moving on but i love this phone. I am capable of building my own roms and themes but I love having a place to share ideas and our work. I am begging my fellow XDA brothers and sisters to help in the effort to make XDA what it once was. With that being said I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and joyous holiday season!
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I agree, but it has to start with XDA being able to control this.
They need to start banning people for at least a week or something so they can learn. This is for XDA as a whole not just our community.
This is not the only place where things are getting out of hand.
People won't stop until something is done, until then there will always be someone trolling trying to get a rise out of people.
I am guilty myself of saying things I shouldn't of, but it just gets to me sometimes. Especially since I cant control it, but I at least base my opinion.
I guess we must all do our part as well and start reporting people.
I've also noticed that there is favoritism going around since some have been banned and not others that have done the same if not worse, not gonna name anyone to not start another flame war.
But that's not OK and if that's the case then there's no point on trying.
I hope everyone reads this and does their part. We have a great phone and we must stop if we want some great development to continue.
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Its gotta be a group effort or it won't change. If someone is being negative then you just ignore them and if it is offensive then report it to a mod and let them handle it. This should be said for Devs too, you dont have to respond to every negative post and get everyone riled up even more then people go to choosing sides , show a little more maturity and only answer questions pertaining to the Rom ive never seen a forum with Devs who get offended so easily .....just ignore and concentrate on the questions about development of your ROM. I hope this turns around and we have a sucessful forum once again cause this is a really great device we have
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I agree, but it has to start with XDA being able to control this.
They need to start banning people for at least a week or something so they can learn. This is for XDA as a whole not just our community.
This is not the only place where things are getting out of hand.
People won't stop until something is done, until then there will always be someone trolling trying to get a rise out of people.
I am guilty myself of saying things I shouldn't of, but it just gets to me sometimes. Especially since I cant control it, but I at least base my opinion.
I guess we must all do our part as well and start reporting people.
I've also noticed that there is favoritism going around since some have been banned and not others that have done the same if not worse, not gonna name anyone to not start another flame war.
But that's not OK and if that's the case then there's no point on trying.
I hope everyone reads this and does their part. We have a great phone and we must stop if we want some great development to continue.
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I agree with you there has to be some type of enforcement of the rules and it should be a zero tolerence. There has to be consequences for ones actions, without them members are running a muck. And they should be enforced equally no matter who it is or how popular they are. But we as members have to start this by being diligent about abiding to the rules and reporting those who dont follow them.
I agree ...
Although it is not actual "Negativity" or "bashing" that actually starts most of the trouble ...
It is the fact that , it has become the norm, for people to come here and expect to be spoon fed answers, and if they don't get them, they get upset.
XDA is first and foremost, or at least it was, a development community.
Now what does that mean to the end users, well, it means, you should come here to learn and if you have something to share, to participate.
If you are just coming here to "expect" everyone to feed you the answers just so you can pimp out your phone, that is not what it is about ..
READ READ READ, then you can ask better questions.
I am sure the DEVs and most experienced users here get annoyed, with every right, when people ask the same question , OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, when with a little reading they could have solved it themselves.
I hope everyone has a great holiday season!!!
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I agree ...
Although it is not actual "Negativity" or "bashing" that actually starts most of the trouble ...
It is the fact that , it has become the norm, for people to come here and expect to be spoon fed answers, and if they don't get them, they get upset.
XDA is first and foremost, or at least it was, a development community.
Now what does that mean to the end users, well, it means, you should come here to learn and if you have something to share, to participate.
If you are just coming here to "expect" everyone to feed you the answers just so you can pimp out your phone, that is not what it is about ..
READ READ READ, then you can ask better questions.
I am sure the DEVs and most experienced users here get annoyed, with every right, when people ask the same question , OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, when with a little reading they could have solved it themselves.
I hope everyone has a great holiday season!!!
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I too get annoyed when new members or even old members ask the same questions but there is a way to handle it. People are so quick to jump on someone for asking a question then everyone gets defensive and then the fun starts. With the way the threads have been lately you have to read thru 10 pages of pure and utter chaos and crap to find your answer. It does seem that those of us that have been here for awhile want to see a change. I have received alot of pm's in support. I know with some work and help from the mods we can make it the way it was. I am totally committed to this.
LONG time XDA'er here. You Mods these days are really something else. Personally this is the SECOND developer ( Dj_Steve and Mohgk ) I've seen you drive away on 2 of 2 devices in the last 3 months. Statistically you are hurting the forum more than moderating and using your common sense. That has to say something.
All you needed to do was read the threads, warn in threads, and clean up the spatter. I moderate on several other sites. This is just sad and seriously makes me think about alternatives. It been like this for the last 1.5 years here on XDA.
Had you properly moderated, you would have seen the initial posts which flamed the threads. If someone told me my work was unappreciated and garbage after I spent hours on something, I'd be a little miffed too.
In any case, great moderating. Good luck to the other upcoming Devs. Happy holidays everyone
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I think one of the main problems is that due to android's growing popularity, we're seeing a lot more ignorant douchebags in here who just want to take & not give, and who have zero knowledge of forum etiquette. I was a sidekick dev back in the day & xda is sadly starting to remind me a lot of the old Danger forums- a wild jungle of a place where you had to hack through post after post of word-vomit & ignorance before you can actually find any REAL knowledge. Yes, we need to take out the trash & start cracking down on the jackassery. Badly. I'm tired of seeing threads devolve into personal attacks & 8th grade bickering over stupid ****. Its gotten to the point where I hesitate to even post sometimes.
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I think one of the main problems is that due to android's growing popularity, we're seeing a lot more ignorant douchebags in here who just want to take & not give, and who have zero knowledge of forum etiquette. I was a sidekick dev back in the day & xda is sadly starting to remind me a lot of the old Danger forums- a wild jungle of a place where you had to hack through post after post of word-vomit & ignorance before you can actually find any REAL knowledge. Yes, we need to take out the trash & start cracking down on the jackassery. Badly. I'm tired of seeing threads devolve into personal attacks & 8th grade bickering over stupid ****. Its gotten to the point where I hesitate to even post sometimes.
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+1 I agree 100%
I also hesitate to post bc of all the dbags. I've been on xda for a good while now and I've never seen things this bad. Its really frustrating to see all this **** cuz no one behaves like this in real life. I wish ppl would just be chill and not try to be internet thugs. Any who I would really love to see this forum turn around and be more friendly and productive. Well that's my piece lol I'm down to do whatever I can to change this place.
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kabuk1 said:
I think one of the main problems is that due to android's growing popularity, we're seeing a lot more ignorant douchebags in here who just want to take & not give, and who have zero knowledge of forum etiquette. I was a sidekick dev back in the day & xda is sadly starting to remind me a lot of the old Danger forums- a wild jungle of a place where you had to hack through post after post of word-vomit & ignorance before you can actually find any REAL knowledge. Yes, we need to take out the trash & start cracking down on the jackassery. Badly. I'm tired of seeing threads devolve into personal attacks & 8th grade bickering over stupid ****. Its gotten to the point where I hesitate to even post sometimes.
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DITTO!!! Could not agree More ...
The mods just bann everyone its anoyying especialy when they dont know what happens its sad
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Good chance if we all keep talking bad about the MODs in here we will all get banned ...
Problem is HOW they select their MODs, some are great, some just won the popularity contest ....
tcboo said:
I agree ...
Although it is not actual "Negativity" or "bashing" that actually starts most of the trouble ...
It is the fact that , it has become the norm, for people to come here and expect to be spoon fed answers, and if they don't get them, they get upset.
XDA is first and foremost, or at least it was, a development community.
Now what does that mean to the end users, well, it means, you should come here to learn and if you have something to share, to participate.
If you are just coming here to "expect" everyone to feed you the answers just so you can pimp out your phone, that is not what it is about ..
READ READ READ, then you can ask better questions.
I am sure the DEVs and most experienced users here get annoyed, with every right, when people ask the same question , OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, when with a little reading they could have solved it themselves.
I hope everyone has a great holiday season!!!
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+1 I know I don't know everything but I always try to use the search button to find my answers before starting a new thread or asking in the thread. I really find it annoying when someone asks a question that has been answered in the OP especially. When I do try to help I'll try to point them in the direction but not spoon feed them the link.
I remember when I used to have my Vibrant. Moderators would shut down a thread and clean up the whole thread and then re-open it later on after cleaning up all the bs. Threads still are getting cluttered up with Thank you's and downloading now posts. We have a thanks button for a reason.
Peace & love
" can't we all just get along? "
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mongo41 said:
As of lately our beloved forum has seen some of the worst negativity and bashing I have ever seen. I am not completely innocent in this either. I have made a couple of comments I shouldnt have made too and I apologize to whoever I may have offended. But to be honest this type of behavior and just meanness has to stop. I love XDA and everything we do but we are losing members and developers daily because of all the hate here. If you dont like a rom or whatever work has been done just please keep all the negativity to yourselves. If you have a problem with someone keep it in pm and not in their thread. We have to turn this forum around or we are setting ourselves and our phones up for doom. We have lost alot of good people and maybe if the see the drama has stopped they will come back. I too am on the fence about getting a different phone and moving on but i love this phone. I am capable of building my own roms and themes but I love having a place to share ideas and our work. I am begging my fellow XDA brothers and sisters to help in the effort to make XDA what it once was. With that being said I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and joyous holiday season!
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Well said my friend....hence my signature.
There is enough hate in the world. Why can't we all get along here ...?
mongo41 said:
As of lately our beloved forum has seen some of the worst negativity and bashing I have ever seen. I am not completely innocent in this either. I have made a couple of comments I shouldnt have made too and I apologize to whoever I may have offended. But to be honest this type of behavior and just meanness has to stop. I love XDA and everything we do but we are losing members and developers daily because of all the hate here. If you dont like a rom or whatever work has been done just please keep all the negativity to yourselves. If you have a problem with someone keep it in pm and not in their thread. We have to turn this forum around or we are setting ourselves and our phones up for doom. We have lost alot of good people and maybe if the see the drama has stopped they will come back. I too am on the fence about getting a different phone and moving on but i love this phone. I am capable of building my own roms and themes but I love having a place to share ideas and our work. I am begging my fellow XDA brothers and sisters to help in the effort to make XDA what it once was. With that being said I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and joyous holiday season!
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I agree stop all the bs and grow up.
Agreed. It's like a Damn soap opera in this *****.
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+10000. How do we stop the idiotic few that are ruining it for the majority? Mods have a full time job.
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quest4fire said:
+10000. How do we stop the idiotic few that are ruining it for the majority? Mods have a full time job.
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Use the report button lol
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