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Okay. I make regular Nandroid backups. I also brick my phone a lot since I like to play. I don't mind since I simple wipe and reload. However, last night I decided that I was going to try and put my many Nandroid backups to good use. The reason I haven't done so until now was that the process seemed too cumbersome and detailed. I always found it more straightforward, albeit more time consuming, to just reinstall my apps and change all my settings manually. It actually is surprisingly quick when you get used to it. Anyway, after quite some time, I finally managed to successfully configure and flash one of my Nandroid backups using the NNADROID Recovery GUI tool from this forum. To my surprise, it didn't seem to do much. I am not sure what was supposed to happen. I always assumed that all my settings and customizations would be there. While I didn't think my apps would (the Nandroid backup was too small to hold my files) I thought my app settings would and when I reinstalled an app it would contain all my settings. Nothing.
So my big question, after that lengthy background, is what exactly gets restored when you flash a Nandroid backup to your phone? Perhaps I am missing something. After an exhaustive search through these forums, all I've come up with was that Nandroid does a "complete restore" of your phone but no explanation of what that means. Perhaps I missed the post (for all you expert posters, I really look before I ask a question as this is my first ever question on a forum) that explains it. Perhaps one has never been written. Either way, can someone either point me in the right direction or explain what it is I am missing? I think it would benefit people who are new to the process. Personally, I am okay with my "system" however poor it may be. It works. But if there is an easier, more efficient method, I'm all ears.
Thanks.
Everything in the /system and /data I believe. YOu get back all contacts, SMS, app data..etc. IT DOES NOT backup your apps! or anything on your ext partition
I have /data/app, /data/data, /data/dalvik-cache moved to my SD card on an ext2 partition. From what you suggested, that will not be backed up. Is that correct?
I don't need apps restored. I also don't see the value in backing up contacts since this is done via sync anyway. I also use Backup for Root Users (BRU) which does a backup of my settings as well as SMS messages (I have about half a dozen apps to back up SMS messages and I don't really care that much about them). BRU backs up Alarms, Settings, Bookmarks, Shortcuts, Playlists, Data, SMS, Dictionary, Market DB, APN, Contacts/Calls and APKs. Not sure what else I need.
Also, the app data that was restored via Nandroid didn't seem to help me as the settings were not there when I reinstalled apps. It appears that Nandroid is less useful than it appears to be. With my "manual" method, I can essentially restore just about everything inside of 30 minutes, including apps (I use ADB to bulk install). So I am not exactly sure how I would benefit from Nandroid. There has to be something more that I am missing since the forum speaks of Nandroid like the Holy Grail.
It's just way more efficient. A click of two buttons and you have a stable ready to go backup of your entire phone minus anything on your ext partition. So you can easily switch between lets say..cyanogen and thedude's builds without having to wipe and flash or just plain flash.
While that sounds amazing, I am not sure what use it is without my ext partition. All my apps are on the partition and the Nandroid restore doesn't read them. I am assuming without the apps on SD it would be a very good thing. But it seems kind of useless otherwise. I don't want to drive everyone crazy especially since I am find with how I restore. I am just very interested in fully understanding the reasoning which doesn't seem to be coming through in your explanation. My Nandroid restore, which went smoothly, was completely useless to me.
Most people love the idea of an instant restore without hassle. It's useful you'll realize that sooner or later.
(Off topic: Fellow Brooklyner, *high five*) lol
Go Brooklyn. Damn straight.
I would LOVE to realize its usefulness. It takes two second to do a backup and about a minute to restore it. PLEASE explain what makes it so good. Someone needs to write up a detailed explanation of what it does and what gets restored. After my restore I basically has to redo all my settings anyway since the apps are on the SD. Not seeing it. I guess I'll just have to play some more to figure it out. I will have to wait until I brick my phone again (which should happen soon enough, LOL) to find out.
aaronratner said:
Go Brooklyn. Damn straight.
I would LOVE to realize its usefulness. It takes two second to do a backup and about a minute to restore it. PLEASE explain what makes it so good. Someone needs to write up a detailed explanation of what it does and what gets restored. After my restore I basically has to redo all my settings anyway since the apps are on the SD. Not seeing it. I guess I'll just have to play some more to figure it out. I will have to wait until I brick my phone again (which should happen soon enough, LOL) to find out.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459830&highlight=infernix You can look at that. Entire thread on nandroid. Honestly whether you think its useful or not is based on personal preference. It's possible to backup the ext partition by just doing a simple "adb pull /system/sd" and a simple "adb pull /data/data" will backup all your app data but nandroid is just more efficient. Read through the first couple of pages and last couple of pages in that thread and you'll have a better understanding of why we consider it our holy grail. Cheers
Since you say Nandroid doesn't back-up apps. but Back-up for Root users does then would the apps. that I back-up using BRU show as installed in Market/My downloads if I wipe?, or would I have to redownload them from Market...the reason why I ask this is because I paid for two apps. on my old Gmail account and was able to switch them to my new one but I'll lose them or basically have to buy them again if I wipe.
I use ASTRO to back up my apps. I don't think it shows up in the Market unless you backup Market data. I use aTrackDog to track updates to my files. When I reinstall apps, I do it via ADB or a file manager like ASTRO or Linda. I have the APKs backed up (even the paid ones, go ROOT!). The Market seems very forgetful when you wipe. I have to do another build anyway since my phone just crashed. Which brings me to an off topic question regarding apps to SD for which I will open a new thread. My phone keeps crashing and I think it's my apps to SD method.
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Since you say Nandroid doesn't back-up apps. but Back-up for Root users does then would the apps. that I back-up using BRU show as installed in Market/My downloads if I wipe?, or would I have to redownload them from Market...the reason why I ask this is because I paid for two apps. on my old Gmail account and was able to switch them to my new one but I'll lose them or basically have to buy them again if I wipe.
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The purchased apps will stay but any free apps will not, unless you backup and push your market.db back
You can backup your market.db. Backup for Root Users lets you do this
alritewhadeva said:
The purchased apps will stay but any free apps will not, unless you backup and push your market.db back
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I know the purchased apps will stay but the problem is I didn't purchase them from the Gmail account that I'm on now I purchased them from my original Gmail account so if I wipe they might still show up in Market/My downloads but I'll have to purchase them again so that's why I asked if you use BRU will they reinstalled them and show in Market/My download as installed or will I have to reinstall them myself from Market/My download if they show up?
If you install them using BRU they won't show on market under my downloads
I saw this and looked because I've wondered myself. I recently managed my first backup restoration and it took a few tries. To combat the losing apps on your ext partition I found (yes, through hours of research ... honest) the easiest solution is to use one card for one firmware and switch cards if I want to flash or use another. That way I have all the apps for that particular firmware. It isn't the ideal solution but cards are cheap enough to do it.
Like the solution, sort of
Dyonas, I like your solution. By keeping two SD cards it solves a lot of issues. However, so far I have not been given a detailed response of what exactly happens with a Nandroid backup. Let's assume that I have two identical SD cards with identical partitions and something goes wrong when I do something with the phone. If I do a Nadroid restore and put in the "stable" SD card (remember, for arguments sake, they are identical in every which way minus the last minute corruption), would that essentially restore it to like new? If I didn't have identical SD cards, what exactly would be restored (I understand apps do not get restored)?
Again, I am fine with my method of restoring but I think this would be a tremendous help for the community as a whole if someone could actually say what it is that happens with the restore. I will continue with my nightly Nandroid backups just in case I need them (which has happened once). But simply saying Nandroid is "amazing" or a "must" doesn't explain anything.
Thanks all.
aaronratner said:
Dyonas, I like your solution. By keeping two SD cards it solves a lot of issues. However, so far I have not been given a detailed response of what exactly happens with a Nandroid backup. Let's assume that I have two identical SD cards with identical partitions and something goes wrong when I do something with the phone. If I do a Nadroid restore and put in the "stable" SD card (remember, for arguments sake, they are identical in every which way minus the last minute corruption), would that essentially restore it to like new? If I didn't have identical SD cards, what exactly would be restored (I understand apps do not get restored)?
Again, I am fine with my method of restoring but I think this would be a tremendous help for the community as a whole if someone could actually say what it is that happens with the restore. I will continue with my nightly Nandroid backups just in case I need them (which has happened once). But simply saying Nandroid is "amazing" or a "must" doesn't explain anything.
Thanks all.
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Nandroid backups are stored onto your sdcard. They don't change anything on your phone. The backup stays there until you want to use it. When you do use it to restore it restores you're phone to the exact way it was when you did the backup. It doesn't matter where the nandroid backup is unless you are using cyanogen's 1.4 image and are recovering from the recovery menu. In that case you would have to move the nandroid folder to your other sdcard. Hope I answered your question Look in dream android development for the switchrom.sh script. Backups everything included ext partition and you can easily restore it from recovery console.
Tells the how, but not the what [SOLVED]
I fully understand how to backup and restore. But you said what everybody else use saying that it restores your phone to the way it was when you backed up the phone. But what exactly is restored is the question. Data? Cache? Apps? Settings? Etc. I know apps seen't but is the app data. The one nandroid restore that I performed did not seem to help me much in terms of my settings and app data. However, I have my methods using several programs and will continue my nightly nandroid backups until I figure it all out. Thanks. I will mark this as solved. If someone cares to write a detailed post on this they can just start a new thread.
aaronratner said:
I fully understand how to backup and restore. But you said what everybody else use saying that it restores your phone to the way it was when you backed up the phone. But what exactly is restored is the question. Data? Cache? Apps? Settings? Etc. I know apps seen't but is the app data. The one nandroid restore that I performed did not seem to help me much in terms of my settings and app data. However, I have my methods using several programs and will continue my nightly nandroid backups until I figure it all out. Thanks. I will mark this as solved. If someone cares to write a detailed post on this they can just start a new thread.
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EVERYTHING except apps. App data, everything on your /system. Everything except apps. Your app data won't restore unless the apps are already installed. It's that simple. Don't know why its so hard to understand.
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Okay. That makes sense. I was wondering why my app data wasn't restored after a restore. But according to what you said the app needs to be installed first (which doesn't make too much sense). All I know is that I did a nandroid restore and it did not restore some of my settings which were definitely in the backup. It's no big deal. I will run a few restores to test for myself. I just didn't like the answer that every kept giving which was "everything" which explains nothing. But i am pretty sure I understand it now and one or two restores should give me a complete picture.
ive been running CM for quite some time, and ive always flashed over the recent versions without any major issues, but over time ive got many, many files that have been created and abandoned on my SD-Card and felt that it is getting close to a time for a fresh start... my biggest issue is how to 'document' all of my installed apps so i make sure they all get re-installed after a total wipe of the phone and sd-card.
im not really concerned about and game status as long as i atleast get the game back (most are free from the market)
i used ta use titanium, but had issues with restoring files and it over writing something and soething else breaks, so i havent used that in a long time (maybe something i should look back into?)
im looking for suggestions here, if i wanted to wipe my entire phone, and start clean, but wanted to make sure i got atleast all my programs back, what would you suggest?
Steps:
1. full system backup, and full SD-Card copy
2. ???
currently useing RA 2.0
radio 5.08
CM 6.1 RC1
ive only got 24mb left of internal space, but everything possible has been moved to SD card... should i start looking into apps2SD card mod from dark?
download appbrain and sync your file list.
You'll have better luck with Titanium Backup if you prevent it from trying to restore system apps or data. Go to the backup/restore tab, tap the bit to edit filters, and filter to show only user data and application. Then do your batch restore.
+1 for Titanium Backup and the batch makes it simple!
I'm fairly new at this rooting thing, I initially rooted stock, and then went on to a custom rom someone on the board made. However, I'd like to play with other ones, but I don't want to have to reinstall my apps every time. Is there a recommended way to backup, and what exactly should I be backing up?
I've installed Titanium Backup and backed up most of my apps that way, is that the preferred method and all I really need to do?
Thanks!!
dcsipe said:
I'm fairly new at this rooting thing, I initially rooted stock, and then went on to a custom rom someone on the board made. However, I'd like to play with other ones, but I don't want to have to reinstall my apps every time. Is there a recommended way to backup, and what exactly should I be backing up?
I've installed Titanium Backup and backed up most of my apps that way, is that the preferred method and all I really need to do?
Thanks!!
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I had a bad experience with using the "Backup" and "Restore" options in Recovery completely destroying my Nook's boot partition, so I'd personally stick with Titanium Backup. I paid for it, and it was well worth it. This let's me install any ROM and with literally a single tap, all my apps are reinstalled.
Titanium Backup is just amazing. It's probably one of (if not THE) the most useful apps ever for anyone who frequents XDA. And free, if you don't mind tapping for each app. Just don't restore system files etc (ie the "red" colored apps).
Depending on which recovery you are using, you may have to use the accompanying kernel...
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Q I installed Titanium Backup and it is driving me nuts, it creates the folder on my SD card, says it's complete, but the folder is empty. I tried just the apps, apps and system, but still the folder is empty. The notification note says complete with the time, but still an empty folder even after I deleted it before a new backup.
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Uninstalled TB, and reinstalled it, works fine now. Must have been a flakey install.
I find appbrain the easiest solution to reinstall my apps. Then if necessary, use titanium to restore data.
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Personally I run all my ROMs from a MicroSD card. This way I don't have to worry about screwing up my Nook and I can pop the Card into my PC and use "dd" to make Images and Flash them back. It makes switching ROMs quick and easy and if I decide I like the New ROM I can use Titanium Backup to mass Restore(Pro key needed) all my Apps. If I don't like the ROM or if something bad happens I can just "dd" a Backed Up Image to get my my Old Install back and it's like I never switched ROMs. Aaahhh.... Life is good.
PS: I keep Two cards, One for my Everyday ROM, and the Other for Testing.
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Hi,
ok, so I've read a bit, but I want to clarify.
My wife's O2X has poor battery life, starts lagging terribly after few days, reboots sometimes, locks up sometimes, etc.
So I want to try new ROMs. Most of them.
I've already root'ed the phone.
What I would prefer is to keep contacts, messages, sync settings, wifi settings, bookmarks, photos, and, preferably applications along with their data. I know this is much to ask.
For contacts, we sync them to here Google account, so that's somewhat safe.
But for others?
I've read about Titanium backup, that it does wonders. My question, however is, does Titanium backup work only for SAME ROM? E.g., if I flash from stock to CM7 or BD, can I still restore the backup?
Does it backup/restore applications themselves, just the data?
thanks, and sorry if this was stupid.
Hi,
Titanium backup will backup your application with data (if selected).
Restoring apps to other roms should be okay, I did that before.. but I didn't try to restore contacts from one rom to another before. Cm7 is different from stock rom, so im not sure if can restore contacts and messages.
But if you use sprite backup, it can backup and restore from one rom to another without problems. Only that the options are very limited comparing to Titanium backup. It is included with Modaco roms.
Cheers!
titanium backup can restore apps from one rom to an other if the app is compatible. ive done it a lot.
not sure about all messages and such but ive seen some apps on the market that can do it. just search for backup and you get a ton of apps for backing up different stuff.
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If you want to backup all what you mention in one motion, a good idea is to perform a clockwork mod backup.
And to use Appextractor in the paid version: it can restore apps + data, wifi settings, messages, and many other things.
The main issue is the size of the backup, as it is a complete and total backup of the all the system, around 700MB for me.
But doing this you have 2 things for the price of one.
Besides that way there is no app that can do all you want in one motion.
About compatibility, backups should be compatible with other ROM except for specific data perhaps.
Hello!
The best available BackUp solution for contacts, SMS, calendar data etc. is MyPhoneExplorer.
http://www.fjsoft.at/en/
Best App for backup of apps is Titanium Backup – as already mentioned.
thank you all very much.
I've got all the info I've needed.
Hi
I messed up my phone today trying to revert back using a nandroid backup i had.
Problem is, when i restored it, my captivate would get to the splash screen and just go on forever. I thought maybe it will take awhile but no, it keeps going and ive left it for so long.
Im running Team ICSSGS along with IcyGlitch B5.
I can get into the OS after i format everything but i wanted to get back into my phone with all my apps still there.
Any help please?
Thanks
Copy Glitch V14 B6 to your SD card, then try a fresh restore, followed by flashing B6 before you reboot.
Say, what is Nandroid
Never did Nandroids. Just backed all my apps, account and Wi-Fi settings by TiBu. Then copied /sdcard/TitaniumBackup into computer.
Does Nandroid knows the filesystem to format etc? And if apps were on SDCard - will it really restore them?
pc103, i tried that several times to no avail.
i finally installed appextractor and used that and did pretty much what i needed. not all my user data is there but thats ok, saves me from having to redownload everything.
bravomail said:
Does Nandroid knows the filesystem to format etc? And if apps were on SDCard - will it really restore them?
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Good details are at What exactly is a nandroid backup?
Jay3161 said:
pc103, i tried that several times to no avail.
i finally installed appextractor and used that and did pretty much what i needed. not all my user data is there but thats ok, saves me from having to redownload everything.
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Check out the smbk functions in Super Manager. They let you choose between [sys] / [user] apks +/- data when restoring. That and Super Backup makes an easier reload when Nandroid's not an option.
bravomail said:
Never did Nandroids. Just backed all my apps, account and Wi-Fi settings by TiBu. Then copied /sdcard/TitaniumBackup into computer.
Does Nandroid knows the filesystem to format etc? And if apps were on SDCard - will it really restore them?
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As a longtime TIBU user I have run into trouble. I was using ROMs in the i9000 [Saurom, Continuum, Apex] family but also Native I897 ROMs [ Serenity, SaruromKK4]. Never a complaint due to TIBU. But moving over to CM9 and 4.0.4 IMM30B I have found that a full restore breaks things. Both the media player and messaging stop working [some installs]. I have had to be selective, and ...
Nandroid? pc103 links to info that shows Nandroid will not replace TIBU.. Perhaps TIBU has more control/functionality than my FULL restore approach.
I'm almost positive nandroid does recognize the file system- I think that is the point of nandroid basically, to take a snapshot of your entire phone including file systems and cache- but I ran into issues restoring apps with TiBu after a nandroid backup/restore between two rom versions, and it seemed to be due to a different format of file system. I'm no expert however...
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