Please, I'd like to see feedback from people on what circumstances people are seeing their phone get hot charging USB. If your phone gets hot on a USB charge, try powering down the phone completely and then charge on USB, does it still get hot?
And please, if your phone gets hot on USB charge, post how you're charging, your ROM, and how hot does it get? There are many applications for this. I use Battery Snap, you can use any program you like. If you don't have a program, please don't guess at the poll, but feel free to post results in a reply.
Also one would assume ambient temperature in the room is typical, but if yours is not (<20c, >28c) please post that information too.
Please answer the poll by the typical range of temperature your phone gets on a USB charge. I'd suggest charging around the 50-60% mark to get more consistent results.. For example charging if the phone is at 95% wouldn't be useful information etc..
One more slight constraint; if your phone gets hot "one time" but not other times, I'm inclined to think there was something else going on with the phone at that time. If your phone is consistently hot when charging USB then post results here.
Reserved in case I need to add any info..
I charged my phone off my Dell M6400's docking station today, started the charge after pulling the phone out of my horizontal case and the phone was 29.5C, I looked multiple times at the highest I saw it was 31.3, and most of the time 31.1. Using Battery Snap for the data. Started charge at 80%, as that's what charge it was from this morning until 4pm when I started I do not have USB Debug enabled by default on my phone, nor did I have mass storage.. When I got the mount prompt I just hit the back button.
Phone is about neutral to the touch, slightly cool. Normally when it's on my desk like this it's fairly cold to the touch, so I'll have to update later when I've put the phone in the same place without charging, but I'm guessing it's a few degrees warmer on the charger than off of it.
I'll repeat this a bit over the weekend here too as I have time, this time I'll set the phone sit on the desk for a while first, check temperature, then charge.
Please do post when you provide input on the poll so we know the circumstances... I mean, if your computer room is 35C and your phone gets 40C charging, I think that's reasonable My office here is around 24-25C.
Charged again today from about 75%, house is around 23C (wife likes it cold..meh) and the phone was 27C max charging on USB.
My AT&T Nexus One purchased June 2 from Google overheats and reboots.
Here's what I've found out:
I charge with the original AC Adapter and this only happens when I'm charging and the battery is LESS than 40%.
If the battery is 50% or higher, it's fine.
When the Battery is less than 45%ish, the phone gets hotter and hotter, from 33C up to 39.3C (is what I last see), then it will SHUTDOWN AND REBOOT. When it reboots, it would be about 37-38C. If it's still under 45%, temp will keep rising again, till 39.3% and REBOOT again, takes about 5-10 minutes for this to happen.
Weird thing is, if you pop the battery out and FEEL it, IT IS NOT HOT AT ALL. It's the DAMN phone that OVERHEATS.
2 nights ago, I was charging and reading in bed. IT DID THIS 3 TIMES IN A FREAKING ROW.
7AM EST, I called HTC, and doing a Device Swap.
Have not received my replacement unit yet. Funny thing is, HTC told me they send out device swaps of JUST THE PHONE, no battery no battery cover. So I have to keep my battery and battery cover. And I told them about my overheat/charging/battery issue, and they said if it still happens to mine, they can send me a new battery.
Anyways I will be testing the replacement unit with my battery and make sure it's VERY low to see if it overheats and reboots.
Other info: This happened in OFFICIAL STOCK FRF91. I'm currently running CyanogenMOD 6 RC1.
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My AT&T Nexus One purchased June 2 from Google overheats and reboots.
When the Battery is less than 45%ish, the phone gets hotter and hotter, from 33C up to 39.3C (is what I last see), then it will SHUTDOWN AND REBOOT. When it reboots, it would be about 37-38C. If it's still under 45%, temp will keep rising again, till 39.3% and REBOOT again, takes about 5-10 minutes for this to happen.
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Hmm, yeah that sounds like hardware problems to me.. Curious, what are you using to measure? I'd assumed the battery temp stuff was really the battery, not .. something else?
In my case when my phone is cool, the whole phone is cool, not just blindly looking at numbers of course.
Again, would the folks voting really high temps try the things in my first post, and let us know what the ambient temperature of the room is, how hot the phone feels vs the measurement, what's being used to measure it... But particularly I'm curious if totally powering down the phone makes the problem go away.
Dial *#*#INFO#*#* then select Battery Information. It will tell you temperatures there. But I think the temps there is phone temp not batt temp, since in my case when it days 39.3C and I pull the batt, it feels less hot than the phone itself.
Also for my case, it does get hot and reboot while USB charging. Reported 3 time in a row again yesterday and I got pissed and HAD to turn the phone off.
Anyways, waiting for my replacement u from HTC.
Well got my replacement Nexus One today, serial number is higher than my 1 month old Nexus One.
I got it go to up to 39.8C and it did not shutdown and reboot, but stuff started crashing.
Music playing would stop, then if I try to start the song again or choose another one, Music app would Force Close.
Started Navigation app and that right away FC.
Anyone experiencing this?
I think you are using a goofy USB cable, or your room is HOT. Because the only time I've had my phone overheat, I was at a pool, in the sun. The phone's temp was 45 c also. I could still use it, but it was burning hot. An app notified me of the temp (I had it set that way) and I turned the phone off.
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I think you are using a goofy USB cable, or your room is HOT. Because the only time I've had my phone overheat, I was at a pool, in the sun. The phone's temp was 45 c also. I could still use it, but it was burning hot. An app notified me of the temp (I had it set that way) and I turned the phone off.
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I'm using both the original AC adapter and usb cables from google.
Also AC has been on it's under 80F in the room.
The other day on the unit that keep rebooting, when I was navigating, i had to hold it up to the AC vent while i was driving to be able to use it... lol... sigh.
I usually only charge on ac but i think i can easily hit 37-39 while charging for over 30 minutes. Its has been up to 40.5 before i think but there were no crashes or anything. everything was stable (its hot but not enough to be seriously scared or anything)
the room at night is around 24? varies alot but the phone also sits on my bed and/or pillow/blanket. try not to cover it when i sleep.
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Ok where do I begin. I love this phone but it's driving me nuts and that's supposed to be your girlfriend/wifes job. My phone seems to be charging EXTREMELY slow. I have batterystatus installed on my phone and when the phone is charging you see the progress bar moving. I've been charging my phone for about 2 1/2 hours now and I'm only at 57 percent, not even using it or having email come to my phone. I'm coming to the conclusion that my battery is shot and I will have to get a new one. Last night I was using my phone and it was charging by my bed. I wake up this morning and the orange LED is on (indicating that it's charging) I'm like wtf it should be green because I've slept for 8 HOURS! I unhook the phone and the battery is at 0 percent and the phone just shuts off on me. I charge the phone and managed to get it to 25 percent before leaving for work. Right now I have my phone plugged into the wall and its taking forever to charge. Should I reflash my ROM and RADIO again. I've been holding off on buying an extended battery because I'm waiting for Seido 3000 Mah Battery.
It's a cheaper option to reflash before spending the money on a new batt.
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Ok where do I begin. I love this phone but it's driving me nuts and that's supposed to be your girlfriend/wifes job. My phone seems to be charging EXTREMELY slow. I have batterystatus installed on my phone and when the phone is charging you see the progress bar moving. I've been charging my phone for about 2 1/2 hours now and I'm only at 57 percent, not even using it or having email come to my phone. I'm coming to the conclusion that my battery is shot and I will have to get a new one. Last night I was using my phone and it was charging by my bed. I wake up this morning and the orange LED is on (indicating that it's charging) I'm like wtf it should be green because I've slept for 8 HOURS! I unhook the phone and the battery is at 0 percent and the phone just shuts off on me. I charge the phone and managed to get it to 25 percent before leaving for work. Right now I have my phone plugged into the wall and its taking forever to charge. Should I reflash my ROM and RADIO again. I've been holding off on buying an extended battery because I'm waiting for Seido 3000 Mah Battery.
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i know that some radios will eat up ur battery and cause rapid drainage, however i can't conclude that as no idea what rom/radio u r using. i doubt if flashing new rom is gona help. flash a different compatible radio and c if that helps; if not ur sol and probably need new battery.
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You could try putting the phone in flight mode to rule out a radio problem. Assuming no running programs in memory I would conclude a battery or charging circuit issue. I assume both mains charger and USB have been tried.
Ensure battery contacts are clean and the contacts on the phone.
You could try the wiggling the battery on and off the phone contacts method as used for the RLOD issue, just in case the charging circuit needs a kick start. The only note of caution here is that there are two cases (to my knowledge) of this trick possibly causing the rasdio to fail. So if I was trying this I would certainly have it in flight mode first - it is afterall a very crude method of forcing pulses of charge through the circuit.
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I've been using Schaps 4.31 (only rom I have ever flashed, very satisfied with it)
Radio: 1.27.15.32
Problem just started 2 days ago. I tried plugging into another outlet thinking that maybe there was a problem with the outlet I was using and the same thing happens.
I feel like my kaiser is on life support, it hurts. I have to keep it plugged in to have it not die on me. I bought this from a friend 3 months ago for $250 but my Carrier AT&T and my EMPLOYER will not replace it because you can't have a transfer in warranty if you buy it from a friend. I think it's BS but w/e. If not I would have sent it in and got a refurbished one. Any other ideas
Hi gqstatus0685
I had an issue like this years ago. I had no friends who had the same phone so I took it into a store to test it.
You will need YOUR phone / battery AND charger and try it as follows:
1. THEIR charger with YOUR battery (if it works your charger may be broken but your battery is probably fine - if it doesnt work your battery or phone could be at fault)
2. THEIR charger with THEIR battery (this should work - if it doesnt your phone may be faulty)
3. YOUR charger with THEIR battery (again this should work, if not, your charger is probably at fault)
Let us know how you get on.
Cheers
Zippyioa
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I've been using Schaps 4.31 (only rom I have ever flashed, very satisfied with it)
Radio: 1.27.15.32
Problem just started 2 days ago. I tried plugging into another outlet thinking that maybe there was a problem with the outlet I was using and the same thing happens.
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First off, let me state that if you are having possible battery issues where you can't charge, I'd be VERY careful of trying to flash anything else. During the flashing process the phone will not charge. So if the battery goes dead during the minute or so it takes to do this, you will probably brick your device (or at best, not have a bootable phone that will not charge anymore since it can't boot).
This does sound like a hardware issue though. Either your charging circuit is shot, or your battery has died... Definetly try out zippyioa's advice to try to determine what isn't working.
BTW: Does it charge better or differently with USB cable vs the wall charger?
Also since you mention having BatteryStatus installed, turn on the indicator that shows the power. When its charging, what does it show for mA? When its not charging, what does this show?
All of a sudden my phone started to charge again. It charges very slow with wall power kind of like the way it's supposed to charge when connected to USB. Quoate me if I'm wrong but USB charge is slower than wall charge. I noticed that the Orange indicator will be lit noting that it's charging but then all of a sudden the indicator disappears and I have to unhook USB and re-plug it again. That's probably the reason why it's dead when I wake up in the morning. I don't touch the cable or move anything it just stops charging. I also noticed that when I get a missed call, SmS, MMS message it will stop charging unless I dismiss the messages. I haven't really confirmed this but I will. Thanks for the advice guys. You guys are the best.
I'm glad you are up and running again. These things do come and go occassionaly.
You are correct with your view on charging. A USB charge from my PC takes much longer than my wall charger.
Seems odd that your phone stops charging if you get an SMS.
It sounds like something is definitely wrong - a re-flash MAY help BUT as mfrazzz said above I would be very careful as a lack of power during a flash could cause MAJOR issues for you.
Have you managed to get the power back up to 100% yet?
If so, does it hold charge when you unplug it?
If not, what happens if you leave it on charge (I would put in flight mode as Mike suggested above to avoid call/SMS interuptions)
Cheers
Zippyioa
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All of a sudden my phone started to charge again. It charges very slow with wall power kind of like the way it's supposed to charge when connected to USB. Quoate me if I'm wrong but USB charge is slower than wall charge. I noticed that the Orange indicator will be lit noting that it's charging but then all of a sudden the indicator disappears and I have to unhook USB and re-plug it again. That's probably the reason why it's dead when I wake up in the morning. I don't touch the cable or move anything it just stops charging. I also noticed that when I get a missed call, SmS, MMS message it will stop charging unless I dismiss the messages. I haven't really confirmed this but I will. Thanks for the advice guys. You guys are the best.
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If the light ghoes out after charging awhile, then you have most likely damaged the USB port with clumsy hands while trying to reset. Take a look at the USB Port. If it is even slightly curved or lower on the right side even by only a mm. then I'm right. This can cause a bad connection & occasionally can be fixed by gently bending at back into shape. HTC uses two different USB ports on the Kaiser, this is easier to fix on the open ended type, but because it is weaker, it's also easier to break, so be careful.
By default the USB port pin block is arrow straight.
My usb port was f**** up, I bent it back into place and it charges now.
I installed battery meter and when not plugged in I'm displaying:
6% I guess that's CPU usage
29.8 degrees/84 degree Fahrenheit have no idea what that is
87mA It fluctuates the lowest I've seen it was at 60 mA/Highest being 437mA
I'm going to add that my Kaiser has the HTC home plugin and battery meter. I only have one push email acct for my GMAIL. I don't get alot of emails on there. Mostly ones I send myself like files and such. No programs running in the background.
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Ok my phone has been charging all night. I wake up this morning and the charging indicator is orange when it should be green. I unhook the phone and Boom phone turns off. My phone is completely dead. I've been charging my phone for a while now (4-5 hours) and my phone is stuck at 57% does not move up. I'm leaning toward a battery problem. I'm going to put my phone in flight mode to further confirm.
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Ok my phone has been charging all night. I wake up this morning and the charging indicator is orange when it should be green. I unhook the phone and Boom phone turns off. My phone is completely dead. I've been charging my phone for a while now (4-5 hours) and my phone is stuck at 57% does not move up. I'm leaning toward a battery problem. I'm going to put my phone in flight mode to further confirm.
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That doesn't sound too good!
Have you tried the tests I suggested above (using store charger/battery)?
Zippyioa
I forgot to add and I'm sorry that about a month ago I had my wall charger in my pocket and it fell into the toilet. I still works maybe thats' what's causing the prob. It was working fine after I dried it off and let it sit.
LOL, I would bet a lot of money that is your problem, try a new AC adapter before you buy a new battery.
yeah I'll try to buy another one and see if that fixes my problem. I mean why would it happen now all of a sudden. By the way I just happened to walk by the toilet and it fell in. I had it in my hoody pocket. Don't keep things there they fall easily like my first Kaiser..RIP 2007-2007
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I forgot to add and I'm sorry that about a month ago I had my wall charger in my pocket and it fell into the toilet. I still works maybe thats' what's causing the prob. It was working fine after I dried it off and let it sit.
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Thats definitely not good! Even if it dried out fully the water could have partially damaged the internal circuits. It may have taken time for the charger to go completely.
As I have suggested several times, you need to try another charge/battery!
Do you have a car charger or a friend with the same phone?
Zippyioa
Yeah. I have a car charger I bought from Ebay. Was hesitant on trying since I heard they fry phones. Tomorrow morning I'll go to store and test out my battery and plug. Hopefully it works. Wish me luck
Right off the bat, my Revo is non-responsive, no buttons will light, backlight, vibration, sound, and of course no splash screen since the screen isn't lighting. The only sense that it is partly there is after a time connected to USB/wall charger the battery warms as if it is charging. Yet, there is no indication during charge on the screen, it stays totally black as described above.
I have been poring over forum posts, CWR threads, and the like, but have come up short on a method of reviving this puppy. thecubed had posted something that seemed promising but doesn't work for me here. At all steps, the phone remains non-responsive and connecting it to the PC yields no mass storage connection. The only step I have abbreviated is letting it charge for an hour since the phone had charged about four hours since it shut down.
Two evenings ago, I flashed from Revolt ROM 1.0 to 1.1. It was successful but since I had just gone through battery calibration and running my battery down until the phone shut down the day before when I flashed it to 1.0, I was hoping (naive?) that I wouldn't have to do it this time (yes, naive!). So, I left the phone on all night, on the wall charger.
I was using it the next day and at one point, while using it in a low reception area, browsing the web, it rebooted on me. No biggie, had that happen in the past. After reboot however, the battery level seemed different so I wanted to get it topped off then calibrate. 1-2 hours later I noticed that the calibration app was showing the mV lower and capacity was at 70%. The battery felt unusually hot. I shut it down, removed the battery and cooled both battery and phone in a small fridge to accelerate the process (was near time to leave work).
Next boot was I recall having an extra FC, one beside the CarHome normal FC with Revolt ROM 1.1. This boot the battery showed maybe 20% capacity so I said "screw it" and deleted battery.bin with the battery calibration app (I recall the mV was low, in the 3600 range). I discharged it on the way home and left the display on to run the last couple percent down. It appeared to try and shutdown but ended abruptly. That was the last time I saw any life from my Revo.
The day after its first and only ever root, I did have an odd occurrence which I posted.
Boot Trouble - Rooted After Phone Downloaded OTA, Not Installed
That time, I had not installed a ROM yet but the phone got itself into a boot up funk. Removing the battery, connecting to wall charger, watching buttons flash ~5 times, disconnecting (which stopped the flashing lights), then battery in, power on... success! I was hoping that would happen this time around but I haven't been able to.
Full history, being my first root, I used S1C successfully, installed Titanium Backup (ran system and app backup), and RevoToolkit. The phone did download the OTA but I never let it install, instead selecting to delay it by 24hrs when it asked to install. Fearing that deadline and getting one more warning that it wanted to reboot and install the OTA, I went ahead and installed the Revolt ROM 1.0. All went fine, no drama. The next afternoon I thought going to 1.1 was going well too, until this brick hit me.
My hope of hopes is it's just a bad battery and the phone won't respond because the mV is too low. Reading thecubed's comment in his first link (above) how recoverable this phone is lends me hope.
It sounds like a bad battery. I would take it to a verizon store and see if you can try a different battery. If it still will not boot then they should warranty it out for you.
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P.s. I never do anything for my battery. I charge until full then use until empty. Yesterday with moderate tI heavy use I made it from 6am until 8:30 pm
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Thanks for the responses. I will be going to VZW shortly to figure this out. This phone is maybe two months old so hopefully the battery is the answer *fingers crossed*
Impressive battery life! At my office, I'm in a bit of a metal cubicle area and a bit low on signal strength. My phones will sometimes use up the battery trying to keep connected, it seems, so I am usually plugged in most of the time.
While I have your ear, thanks for the great work on Revolt ROM. I am very happy with it and look forward to its future development
Good news and bad.
The good news was they swapped in a new battery and the phone worked. Having the warranty, it didn't cost anything.
The bad news is that it looks like there may be another problem. On the way out of the store the battery was indicating 1% so I quickly got it on the charger in the car. Driving home, about 10 minutes later, I got a warning for battery temperature. Thinking the low battery may just be taking a charge and getting hot from that, I turned the car A/C on full, took the back cover off, and kept the phone in the cold air.
In about two minutes, just feet from home, I noticed the display was off. Faintly I could see the battery charge symbol that shows when the phone is powered down and charging, but the backlight was off and I couldn't see if there was any color or animation to it.
As soon as I shut the car off and the power quit, that faint display disappeared, full black, dead. Now it seems it is behaving exactly the same. I haven't fiddled with it much, holding out hope of hopes it can be started and maybe recovered.
Could calibrating the battery at the wrong time have caused something like this? Do batteries have a safety lockout if they overheat? To be fair, I was running an intensive app at the time, Waze GPS. Maybe the battery didn't keep up and the phone decided it was too low and shut off. I will post back after letting it sit, cool, hopefully charge, and see what comes of it.
My phone is behaving exactly the way you describe too. A couple of days with Revolt 1.1, and this is the only problem. I had my phone hooked to a lithium ion usb battery pack all day, and it showed "100%" while hooked up, but as soon as I disconnected the battery pack, the battery icon changed to red, then it refused to boot like the situation described in the Revolt 1.1 thread in Development. It also would not go into charge mode on the battery pack, but when I came home and hooked it to a genuine AC adapter and it went into power-off charge display. I'm going to give it a few hours on the charger before I attempt to boot it again, and I'll report back.
Still no luck. I haven't charged it too much yet for fear that it isn't charging properly. Seeing the new battery work for about 20 minutes yesterday lent me hope that if I figure out how to get a fresh battery in or just shell out for another new one, I can have a window of opportunity to change ROMs and see if that has anything to do with it.
This morning I got out my digital multimeter to measure the battery pos to neg and am getting nothing (unless you consider 0.01v something). I tested my old LG clamshell's bulging, old, and damaged 1000mAh battery and it reads 3.99v but couldn't keep my old phone up (lacks oomph now).
Comparing that battery to the Revo's, they have the same four contact pattern but different connection scheme which just stops contact when test fitting. After shaving down its casing on the bottom a little bit, it was just enough to make contact. Using four hands (yes, I am very talented ) to hold the phone, hold the test battery properly, and hold the power button, I was able to get the power-up vibration and the first LG splash screen. We lost it after that but that's likely due to the very weak test battery and/or losing contact while holding it in the Revo.
Since the spankin' brand-new battery is now reading zero, I'm left second guessing my decision of not shutting the phone down when I got the temperature warning. Maybe these batteries do have an internal protection to prevent runaway failure and it too is trash. I have no experience with this otherwise so this is just guesswork.
I'm contemplating rigging the new battery into my old LG phone to see if it can tell it "all clear" and charge it up. I'll post anything I find out here. Any other suggestions are highly welcome. Still, last ditch, I'm pretty certain I can set up another ROM to flash on the SD ahead of time, get another battery, and Clockwork to test another ROM if it's the phone or ROM. I may have had 20 minutes of uptime on the last battery.
I think I've gotten to the bottom of my problem. It's a syndrome of things that I have hopefully untangled.
First off, I had been messing with Power Manager, and wanted the phone to not sleep or timeout the display when plugged into both AC and USB. I figured that would help when I'm plugged into the computer, but it was probably a bad choice.
Yesterday I was out on a boat, which probably put me into a weak signal area, causing the phone to expend extra energy staying locked on a tower. In addition, I had plugged it into the external USB power pack, and thrown them in a bag together. This did two very bad things: 1) It allowed heat to build up from both the charging and 2) it invoked the "USB powered" Power Manager profile which kept the display active which created both additional heat AND crazy battery drain.
Here's what I think happened:
1. The battery overheated
2. The USB battery pack couldn't charge as fast as the display and radio could suck it out -- so five hours in that mode BOTH drained the internal battery AND tapped into about 30% of the external battery pack.
3. The USB battery pack will not provide enough initial juice to restart a flat-dead, overheated phone, or the firmware "knows" it is hooked to USB and refuses to start the phone -- for some bizarre reason.
So, I think my phone demonstrated normal behavior for a flat-dead, overheated phone, and hooking it up to AC brought it right back to life -- after about 5 hours of continuous charging. The battery also got very warm during charging -- more than I recall feeling ever in the past.
I'm hoping there is nothing that software power management could have done to physically damage the battery, but I assume Verizon would claim it could -- as part of the reason they forbid system modifications, and therefore withdraw their warranty if you modify.
At this point I think I have dodge a bullet, and my phone is fine -- other than a few of the quirks others are seeing in Revolt 1.1 (Phone occasionally FC, etc.)
Good to hear your phone is fine. Seems like mine is too as posted above but time will tell. I got the Revo battery set up and charging on my old phone. It seems to be connected well enough. The phone complained the first try that there was no battery but my second try has it displaying that it is charging. The battery isn't warm at all but maybe that's due to a different charging rate for the old phone's 1000mAh battery vs. the Revo's 1500mAh. Or, it really isn't connected perfectly. We shall see.
Success. The surrogate charge setup got the Revo battery up to 4.11v and indicated charge complete. The Revo completed a full boot on the battery and appeared normal.
Not normal was quick heating (still unsure of the cause). Going straight to Battery Calibrator, it indicated 68% and around 3.7v and falling. Not wanting to push my luck, I shut it down. Battery now read 3.9v. Not bad but it sure seems to be getting drained quickly which would explain all the heat. Going to set up later and see if I can get it back to stock and see if the behavior persists.
I don't know how to fix any of your issues but I would like to say thanks for giving such a detailed display of what you've been doing to fix this problem should anyone else run into this issue. Also, That picture in you one post: That is the most jerry rigged set-up to charge a phone I have ever seen in my life and I love it. Good luck getting your phone working I hope everything turns out for the best.
You're welcome. It was a bit of impromptu brainstorming with some fellow tinkerers that helped come up with a way to test charge the battery. Having it come back to life
I've come to a conclusion. Somehow, I think when the battery overheats, it must internally soft protect itself. Charging it on the old phone reset it and then it worked again on the Revo. Why the old phone works and not the Revo, unsure. That would at least explain why the battery tested at zero volts before the charging rig.
After many starts and stops on my Revo now, I have found that what was heating up first was the casing of the phone. I'm guessing heat conduction of heat from the processor as it wasn't the display which was set to minimum brightness (those are the main heat sources, right?). Looking into Settings > About > Battery Stats, it only showed Android System at 98%. It seems like the processor got locked into some some high power continuous use situation which survived reboots.
The battery gets hot later due to the high consumption and proximity to the hot casing (processor), especially with the back on. Withing 1-2 minutes from start, the sides of the phone would be quite warm and after 5 minutes becomes concerning. It seems that's why the battery was never able to get to 100%, but instead its percentage was always falling, phone over consuming greater than charge rate.
With the processor going full tilt, battery cover on, protective case on phone, sitting in a warm car without A/C, that got the battery too hot within 20 minutes. It was a similar situation with the prior battery when the problem cropped up.
I don't know what the cause of this predicament was in the first place however. The phone was plain stock, then rooted, later flashed Revolt 1.0, then Revolt 1.1. Between Titanium Backup, RevoToolkit for CWM, basically nothing unusual, I have no idea how it happened. Maybe I should have done Decrap first since I've read others doing such. Thinking back to my first post/thread, I had a boot issue and only had rooted, Titanium, and RevoToolkit, no ROMs yet.
And, don't get me wrong. I'm not placing blame anywhere, just documenting my "progress." There was a time I was on Revolt where it wasn't behaving this way. I am left without a solid conclusion as to the cause.
How to avoid the battery drain?
I had a similar situation, downgraded and then installed Revolt 1.3. Can't say what did it, but the battery got hot and drained so far it would even start charging.
I got the battery charged on the old phone, and the new one, with Revolt 1.3 is working. But I'm not sure how to make sure the overheating/draining problem doesn't occur again. After 10 minutes the phone is starting to get hot again, battery is down to 57%. With the phone on or off, it does not charge the battery, even with an AC wall charger. With the phone on, it indicates 57% charge, with the phone off, the battery icon just sits at red, no charging is happening. I erased the battery stats in ClockworkMod, but is there anything else to do? Any other ideas?
It sounds like Haxid had it happen and he got back to LG stock and unrooted, all good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233668
Mine happened again this time totally dead battery. Trying to get some charge in it now to boot and remove cwm so I can take it to verizon.
Decrap 1.0 rom this time w/ CWM
I do not believe it is the rom. It has to be an app or hardware.
Were you having spontaneous reboots? That's when it happened to me, after a spontaneous reboot.
Good luck. Hope it all works out.
Bait-Fish said:
Were you having spontaneous reboots? That's when it happened to me, after a spontaneous reboot.
Good luck. Hope it all works out.
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No my phone is actually super stable it just is sucking battery like its candy. Been off charger only 1 hour right now and its down to 83%. It has to be an app doing it but I have no idea which one. The phone shows 64% battery usage by android system.
When mine was hogging battery, same here. All I saw was Android process.
just to add my 2 cents here. I noticed my phone draining like crazy, I tried everything, then I changed the battery. boom. everything is now stable. I'm going to try to exchange that battery I think its my drain and reboot culprit.
So my HTC One does something really weird sometimes and im afraid if this keeps going on something bad will happen to it.
since i got 5 months ago this has happened like 4-5 times. and i charge it every night. so, sometimes when I charge it and go to bed I wake up and check the phone and even though it was charging when I left it it has only charged for like 20% and even though its connnected to the charger the charging icon wont show. plus the phone is too hot. and i dont mean warm or hot on the back. I mean too hot to touch everywhere, not only the back. Everywhere it has aluminium its too hot. this has only happened 4-5 times and I immediately take it off the charger wait a bit to cool off and then start charging it again and everything is fine. While its hot no warnings pop up and the phone works just fine, but its extremely hot and even though its connected to the charger it doesnt charge. why is that?
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Hey,
This might be a problem with the charger.
Try using the original charging set provided with the phone.
Is there anything you do with the phone that may be considered out of the normal when you charge it?
Worst-case scenario, this might be a hardware fault. In that case you should be able to claim it under warranty.
Good Luck
Something similar happens to me on occasion. It'll be plugged in but when viewing in/out mah, it actually shows it's draining. Less than when it was unplugged, but still draining although it says ac plugged in. (using battery monitor to view btw). When it does that, and it's left plugged in (like overnight), it's abnormally hot when I check it. I have to unplug it and then plug it back in (sometimes a few times) before charging levels go back to norm.
Sent from my HTC One
It happened on me for 1 or 2 times as well, the only different is mine is not really hot. After i flashed custom rom, it seems everything is fine. I guess maybe there are some bugs in the original rom. Now i am using the rom based on google edition. Good luck
I am using the original charger and it does this but it also have done this with a samsung charger i have used some times. something else that I noticed is that when I'm charging and using the phone sometimes the battery percentage drops.
Hi guys,
I normally charge my p20 pro every night. Plugging in an hour ago, I recognized that supercharge doesn't work. Sometimes charging completely stops.
Tried to reboot, nothing changes...
Installed battery app and see that maximum charging current is about 1700 mah.
Does anyone now what it could be?
Tried another charger, same situation. Tried different cable, same situation. P20 from my girlfriend on my charger and supercharge works fine.
Thx Benny
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Must be a fault with your phone if thought tried another known good charger and it still doesn't work.
Another strange behavior is that sometimes charging stops. And sometimes usb options pop up like if you connect to a computer... But phone is on charger.
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Sounds like hardware issue. Get a replacement.
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Hi there, I've been dealing with the same issue as you for the past few days. Mine I can confirm has resolved automatically. Do you expose your device to water or moisture alot? I believe that the p20 has been optimized for safety incase the phone is ever dealt with moisture in the charging port. My issue was that the phone kept saying 'supplying power to connected USB device' when in reality, there was no device connected to the phone in the first place. This was on the night I had dipped the device in water, it appears the USB port is more susceptible to being affected by moisture than any other area of the device. I have taken note that while the charging port is wet, the phone does not enter supercharging. As for how I was able to resolve this issue, I first used a blower to clean any dust or debris in the charging port, this allowed the device to return to its normal state and not think that it is connected to another device. However, this still didn't allow supercharging to work, the following day i was desperate to get this fixed without taking it to the service center. And it would still only show 'charging' and not 'supercharging' whenever I connected the device to the charger (it would actually show super charging for a split second and then going back to charging). I finally decided to just clean the port with water instead (I know this might sound risky and stupid) and so I did it. When I tried plugging it in again it would not supercharge, but i already had anticipated this. Instead, I waited for the next couple of hours for the water to dry out and when it did, finally super charge was working once again. So my suggestion to you is:
1) Clean the charging port as well as you can, and have some patience (incase you do end up using water, as the phone does not super charge when it finds the port to be wet.) Also if you do end up using a pin or something similar make sure to gently wipe away the debris (if any) and be careful not to damage any of the connectors of the port.
2) disconnect the charging adapter and make sure it is plugged out for atleast 30 minutes before plugging the cable and adapter again.
3) if these don't help you then you should definitely go to the service centre.
EDIT: IF YOU DO USE WATER PLEASE MAKE SURE TO ONLY USE A SMALL AMOUNT AND NOT BATHE THE CHARGING PORT IN WATER!!
Thx psycho!
My phone got wet yesterday and the day before. Today morning supercharge works again. Yesterday evening the phone said normal charging but not plugged into wall. Only plugged the charger into phone.
That might be a symptom of a short circuit by water.
I got an app to measure the current ampere.
Does anyone know how much ampere the p20 takes from the charger?
I know that the charger goes down with the ampere when getting near 100%.
I will take a measurement in the afternoon again when supercharging.
How long should I take to get from 30 percent to 90 percent for example?
I hope it's not a hardware problem...
Thx guys.
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You're welcome! I couldn't find any solutions online too so I get how you feel. I think it's just the way they programmed this phone, it won't super charge when it detects any kind of moisture underneath it, when that dries up it goes back to normal so it charges as it should. As for the max current you should expect it to be around 4800 mA - 4900 mA on lower battery levels. Expect this to decrease over time but that is normal, it's just how Huawei's super charging works to ensure that your battery lasts longer and is safe to use. So if it charges above 4000 mA when you first plug it in you should be good. You'll notice the phone starts of slow but as each second passes by the charging speed rises. Also expect charging to slow down on heavy uses such as gaming and when the phone is hot. I think you should be fine as long as the phone continously says that it's super charging at all battery levels. Expect a 0-100% in about 1h 20 minutes.
Below is an example of the max current speeds I get out supercharging but note that this varies slightly depending on battery percentage.
This happened to me too ?
It has been 4 days since my phone got wet and it still doesn't support suppercharge. What do I do? ? Currently charging at 1700 mA according to Ampere
markabes23 said:
It has been 4 days since my phone got wet and it still doesn't support suppercharge. What do I do? ? Currently charging at 1700 mA according to Ampere
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Have some patience. As long as the phone displays supercharging in the lockscreen it's fine. It's also possible that there's still moisture in the charging port/battery area that the phone detects which is preventing it from supercharging. I recommend drying the phone thoroughly and waiting. If it doesn't work within a week I recommend factory resetting your device and/or trying a different cable and adapter. If nothing works, i recommend taking your device to the service center. I have personally experienced this myself and the issue had resolved itself within 3-4 of occurance.
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Have some patience. As long as the phone displays supercharging in the lockscreen it's fine. It's also possible that there's still moisture in the charging port/battery area that the phone detects which is preventing it from supercharging. I recommend drying the phone thoroughly and waiting. If it doesn't work within a week I recommend factory resetting your device and/or trying a different cable and adapter. If nothing works, i recommend taking your device to the service center. I have personally experienced this myself and the issue had resolved itself within 3-4 of occurance.
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Yes, Charging will appear and then the device will say SuperCharging and will go back to Charging a split second after. Haaaay. This is so frustrating. Today marks the 5th day
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Yes, Charging will appear and then the device will say SuperCharging and will go back to Charging a split second after. Haaaay. This is so frustrating. Today marks the 5th day
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I had the same issue, except that before it wouldn't say supercharging for even a split second and it would only say charging. Overtime though, the phone eventually started saying supercharging for a split second (just like in your case). I feel as though this is a good sign.
Avoid charging your phone overnight if you can, it isn't good for the phone, heat etc, supposed to shut off and not allow anything through but it still does and it's best avoided.
In regards to your device not taking the full effect.
It does actually sound like a fault, allow a complete discharge (also something you shouldn't do) then give it a shot, plug straight into a wall rather than an extension.
Other than that I'd say RMA.
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Avoid charging your phone overnight if you can, it isn't good for the phone, heat etc, supposed to shut off and not allow anything through but it still does and it's best avoided.
In regards to your device not taking the full effect.
It does actually sound like a fault, allow a complete discharge (also something you shouldn't do) then give it a shot, plug straight into a wall rather than an extension.
Other than that I'd say RMA.
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It's been proven that keeping charger connected at 100% charge does not damage the battery and some times it's even good to discharge the phone completely so battery is 0% since it helps the battery and operating system to keep proper % level registered. Since it has happened that battery begins to think at 45% is 0% and 100% is 100% so when it reaches 45% it shuts down and tells you batter is empty 0%. This is because battery has been miss calibrated in the operating system which has an file that registers which point battery is empty and full. So this is why emptying the battery fully few times does help calibration to stay correctly with 0% as 0% and 100% as 100%.
For the OP it seems somethings odd with supercharge, could be USB port on the phone, USB controler on main board or the charger and cable.
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It's been proven that keeping charger connected at 100% charge does not damage the battery and some times it's even good to discharge the phone completely so battery is 0% since it helps the battery and operating system to keep proper % level registered. Since it has happened that battery begins to think at 45% is 0% and 100% is 100% so when it reaches 45% it shuts down and tells you batter is empty 0%. This is because battery has been miss calibrated in the operating system which has an file that registers which point battery is empty and full. So this is why emptying the battery fully few times does help calibration to stay correctly with 0% as 0% and 100% as 100%.
For the OP it seems somethings odd with supercharge, could be USB port on the phone, USB controler on main board or the charger and cable.
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OMFG there is always one, Lol i'm not going to go into this any more than i absolutely have to.
To put it mildly, you're completely wrong, and i don't care what you've read, please understand physics, if you push power towards something and continue that pressure, whether electric or otherwise, something has to take the brunt of that force, capacitors can't do this forever, which is why they burn out.
I've worked in the mobile industry for over 20 years, i've seen what 6 months of charging every single device on the planet does EVERY SINGLE TIM, iPhones down to nokia 100's
Please don't go on about this, i've seen this 1,000's of times on 1,000's of devices.
Your battery will either bloat or lose efficiency, or your actual device will inherit anomalies, i really do not have time to type what i typed nearly 10 years ago so you can understand.
Don't talk to me about capacitors, which is the only thing which is stopping that charge from getting to the motherboard of the device.
The only reason you should charge your device overnight is because your provider wants your device to die so you can buy another, and that's IT.
I've seen a battery which was a highly rated lithium battery stretch a device in half with industrial sized screws, the battery stretched from 0.4" to 2.2 inches.
The only thing i did was to charge it a lot and it split the device in half (same device used to diagnose mercedes benz cars and BMW's)
Please don't drop "it's been proven" in here, you're very very wrong and the only person you're helping is your provider.
You make your decision who you'd like to listen to, i can't be arsed arguing any more than i already have.
To the OP.
RMA your phone, that's not right.
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OMFG there is always one, Lol i'm not going to go into this any more than i absolutely have to.
To put it mildly, you're completely wrong, and i don't care what you've read, please understand physics, if you push power towards something and continue that pressure, whether electric or otherwise, something has to take the brunt of that force, capacitors can't do this forever, which is why they burn out.
I've worked in the mobile industry for over 20 years, i've seen what 6 months of charging every single device on the planet does EVERY SINGLE TIM, iPhones down to nokia 100's
Please don't go on about this, i've seen this 1,000's of times on 1,000's of devices.
Your battery will either bloat or lose efficiency, or your actual device will inherit anomalies, i really do not have time to type what i typed nearly 10 years ago so you can understand.
Don't talk to me about capacitors, which is the only thing which is stopping that charge from getting to the motherboard of the device.
The only reason you should charge your device overnight is because your provider wants your device to die so you can buy another, and that's IT.
I've seen a battery which was a highly rated lithium battery stretch a device in half with industrial sized screws, the battery stretched from 0.4" to 2.2 inches.
The only thing i did was to charge it a lot and it split the device in half (same device used to diagnose mercedes benz cars and BMW's)
Please don't drop "it's been proven" in here, you're very very wrong and the only person you're helping is your provider.
You make your decision who you'd like to listen to, i can't be arsed arguing any more than i already have.
To the OP.
RMA your phone, that's not right.
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To bad for you then, since your fact are wrong. It's been proven my bigger professionals out there that it's a myth that battery gets damaged when keeping charger connected at 100% since when it reaches 100% charge point it will stop charging the battery, but mobile will still be running from Charger. So yeah just admit you are wrong, i'm not the one that's wrong.
Also they did say one thing, damage did occur only on very old batteries that exsisted years ago, then those kind of batteries couldn't handle and would become damaged when charger was connected at 100% and it was different type of battery back then as well. Now we got something called Ion battery which can handle the full charge better than old batteries did.
Also idc how many years you been working with phones, alot of people still think wrong and have wrong facts still.
But now your words are against over 10 or more proffessionals out there that has proven opisit answer, so yeah just admit you are one with wrong facts.
Not last but least, alot of people take old facts with new batteries and still belives that battery are affected same way. But answer is no it isn't affected same way. lithium ion is another kind of battery we use for quite few years now. But before lithium ion came then it was a another kind of battery that did not handle itself well with 100% charge and would easily wear out alot quicker and get damaged.
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To bad for you then, since your fact are wrong. It's been proven my bigger professionals out there that it's a myth that battery gets damaged when keeping charger connected at 100% since when it reaches 100% charge point it will stop charging the battery, but mobile will still be running from Charger. So yeah just admit you are wrong, i'm not the one that's wrong.
Also they did say one thing, damage did occur only on very old batteries that exsisted years ago, then those kind of batteries couldn't handle and would become damaged when charger was connected at 100% and it was different type of battery back then as well. Now we got something called Ion battery which can handle the full charge better than old batteries did.
Also idc how many years you been working with phones, alot of people still think wrong and have wrong facts still.
But now your words are against over 10 or more proffessionals out there that has proven opisit answer, so yeah just admit you are one with wrong facts.
Not last but least, alot of people take old facts with new batteries and still belives that battery are affected same way. But answer is no it isn't affected same way. lithium ion is another kind of battery we use for quite few years now. But before lithium ion came then it was a another kind of battery that did not handle itself well with 100% charge and would easily wear out alot quicker and get damaged.
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Lol ok as I said I'm not going to go into it
You overcharge your phone and see how you get on.
Tell me have you ever got anything close to these battery stats for SOT
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/how-to/screen-time-leaderboard-post-longest-sot-t3780178
14 hours 20 mins?
No I know you haven't
You carry on and I'll do my thing.
Max up time for an iPhone 6 183 hours.
That's a week to you.
I know you have never seen these numbers.
But whilst you're sitting there with your head in the sand overcharging your phone every night lol.
Spare a moment for what you could have.
Don't spread crap without proof.
I have tangible proof I've seen and had to replace devices because of it. Screens, batteries, buttons.
I've seen more kit then you'll ever see.
You carry on the way you are but don't tell people to do what you do. It's idiotic and until you realise that you'll believe what you've read.
FYI you're relying on capacitors.
The second they fail your screwed.
Lol lithium is lithium..
You charge it it expands, please try to understand the logistics and dynamics of what your are attempting to talk about.
Or I'll tell you what, you keep overcharging your poor phone and I won't and we'll see who's phone lasts the longest after a year. I promise you I'll put you to shame.
You're taking someone else's word you don't know over someone with first hand experience of this behaviour
On your head be it
Supercharging Works Again!
So after 11 days my p20 pro's ability to supercharge is back and Im so relived. Thanks for all your help!
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So after 11 days my p20 pro's ability to supercharge is back and Im so relived. Thanks for all your help!
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Did you noticably change anything? Or does it appear random?
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Did you noticably change anything? Or does it appear random?
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It just appears randomly. When I was at work earlier, it worked. But now that I'm home and I plugged in my phone it doesn't work again. It just promps every once in a while. It's like trying to supercharge and something is stopping my phone from doing it
my pro had a swim last night, and now it doesn't charge at all..
Hello people,
I am trying to diagnose/save my old Nexus 5x.
It got soaked in strawberry juice a week ago. I wiped it off as much as I could, and left it. I did not test it, because the battery had run out days ago. After trying to charge it yesterday, I noticed it would not charge or turn on anymore.
In a rescue attempt, I opened up the phone (and was surprised how easy it was to get the bare pcb in my hand), and found a ****ton of gunk. The juice didn't only get in, the acid also did its work on the steel parts. I cleaned it as much as possible with a cleaning cloth, and finished with and electric toothbrush, to get the gunk out of all the nooks and crannies. It turned out quite clean again, although I cannot see if it also got under the main IC's.
Before the cleaning, I got my hopes up because I saw the gunk was mainly concentrated around the battery connector. I think the juice or corrosion shorter the battery terminals and depleted the battery. After cleaning it properly I measured only 0,8V.
To my surprise, after reassembly, the phone worked again. It started taking charge, and after a minute or 2, I could start it up. It worked as normal and it was taking on 1,5A of current. I left it like that for a while, and then I noticed it stopped charging at 50% charge. The voltage was 3.2v according to AccuBattery app, and the battery temperature 49C. The latter was odd, since the battery felt cool. Nowhere near 49C. So I'm also doubting the voltage value of 3.2v.
Anyway, the phone was still working at that point. It was just wouldn't go past 50% charge. I tried unplugging the charger (phone stayed on, so battery works at least a bit) and reconnecting. But it still wouldn't charge. After trying to reboot, it never came back to life since. Basically, when I plug in the charger, the red light starts flashing (and phone is drawing 700-800mA. After a couple seconds, the screen comes on, showing the battery icon. After that, the Google icon shows. And then it shuts down again. At that point, the current also drops to a stable 300mA @ 7,5v. It does not charge though. All the power seems to go into one of the main IC's (not the charging one), which is heating up noticeably in this state.
Can anyone tell me what could be happening? Why is the IC drawing that power while off and "charging"? Any tips? The faced the phone booted and worked for a while, gave me hope.
Edit: Now its drawing 650mA @ 7,5v after being plugged in instead of the previous 300mA.
Edit2: It's booting! Drawing 600mA @5v.now while phone is on, while idle and under load no change. I'll keep you posted. AccuBattery and android say it has 50% charge again, but shows a negative charging current.