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Objective:
To be able to create a ROM on your phone from your favorite chef. Also you will be able to combine differnt packages from different chefs. So you like Chef A ROM but you like Chef B graphics you can combine the two as long as the Chefs break up their packages according to specs of app.
Also you will be able to browse, download and install apps from developers here at XDA, HTCPedia or any other website if they wish to place their Apps here.
Chefs, developers, and any modder can put up their own work on server and will be responsible for maintaining their work on App Store server. It is up to each modder to set price if any. PayPal system will be part of app.
Project Lead Time
V1 beta will be available after all bugs have been found and squashed.
How it will work:
User can create ROM and flash from phone. User can also browse App Store and select what programs, tweaks and themes to include in ROM or add to current ROM installed on phone.
Theoretical scenario
User wants to install new ROM on phone and does not like any of the custom stuff chefs put into ROM. What is user to do?
User downloads and installs Fusion Visual UC on either Windows Mobile Device.
User then runs Fusion Visual UC and selects all settings user prefers and applications. Through activesync Fusion Visual UC will install custom package on SD card of device and install latest Fusion Power ROM.
New ROM will be loaded on phone. At end of Windows Customization, Fusion Visual UC will take over, issue some prompts and then proceed to install all customized user settings.
At end of customization user's device will reboot and user will have totally customized Windows Mobile build as if user cooked the ROM themselves.
All flavors of Manila will be included to allow user to select what version they like to use.
More to come soon!
Funding
This project requires some funding which I can not do on my own, if I could I would so I am hoping to get some help from the community since it will be for everyone to use as end user or developer.
Costs will be:
Friend who is helping me with code. I already gave him my new TP2 as partial payment and would like to give him some payment as we get further a long. Anything is good...
Server equipment - Would like to keep server in house for the launch of App and for a few months after that. So I will need to purchase equipment for server.
Additional Phones - Would be nice to get a phone for myself for testing reasons and one for graphic designer. No big deal, can make do without but would make everything easier.
I am a student and do freelance IT work on the side. I filled up my schedule as much as I can for this week and next to earn some extra cash to carry the burden of cost. Only downside is it takes time away from App.
Thank you in advance if you contribute to this application.
Everyone who contributes will be set up with free exchange account. Also if developers want to charge for their apps I will try to cut a deal with them to allow donators to access their apps for free.
Developers have no charge to use this app nor are they required to share in their profits.
Developer Info
I will soon post instructions how to setup your packages to be recognized on server for App Store.
Things you can create:
ROMs - fully loaded or base ROM
Packages - All sorts of add-ons for your ROMs
Tweaks - any tweaks, can be CAB, Reg or XML file
Themes - create themes and share them on the App Store
Image Files
Images will be placed up here shortly.
Progress
15-09-09 01:19 AM
Cob webs have been cleared.
Flowchart and App design layout all complete.
First line of code is about to be laid out...
21-09-09 18:13
Busy weekend coding away. The base of the ROM creation tool and app store have been laid. Format for developers to place their stuff on server has been finalized. Will not take much work from developer to place their work on server and in App Store.
If any developer (Chef, app developer or modder) would like to get a head start on getting their packages ready feel free to PM me. Once I am 100% sure that the current format for developers is the one we are going with then I will publish instructions.
This will work on any WinMo device but the first device to be fully supported will be the HTC Touch Pro2.
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Wow does this mean a lot of late nights with Red bull?
SOUNDS AWESOME!!!
I am so there. Count me in dude. Welcome back!
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Wow does this mean a lot of late nights with Red bull?
SOUNDS AWESOME!!!
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Many many many nights and lots of Airzona Green Tea...my fav drink
You can pull it off A. I know you can. We will all be waiting. Take your time so you don't have to stress yourself after release on people complaining about issues.
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You can pull it off A. I know you can. We will all be waiting. Take your time so you don't have to stress yourself after release on people complaining about issues.
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Like there is any question I can not pull it off..
I am teasing...I am not that cocky...just that confident
Hey welcome back At0m. Glad to see you back in action. Pretty interesting concept. So you are making Chefs out of us huh!!
Looking forward...
VizagDude said:
Hey welcome back At0m. Glad to see you back in action. Pretty interesting concept. So you are making Chefs out of us huh!!
Looking forward...
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I will be providing a tool for total customization. Isn't that what we are all here for? To make our high end devices look and run how we like?
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I will be providing a tool for total customization. Isn't that what we are all here for? To make our high end devices look and run how we like?
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one rom and user can customize it them self's I think maybe I am dreaming
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one rom and user can customize it them self's I think maybe I am dreaming
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Updates can be found in Post #3
So.. is this going to be an application that installs app cabs over a base ROM... or a kitchen type setup that recooks a base ROM with the user's preferences ?
Welcome back
Glad to see you back here not because of your fusion or future room but as a friend. we may not know each other but i think, you are still among the elite people that devoted your own time for all the xda community.
WELCOME ....
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So.. is this going to be an application that installs app cabs over a base ROM... or a kitchen type setup that recooks a base ROM with the user's preferences ?
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A crappy chef never shares his secrets or plans for fear they may be stolen.
Fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me.
I think it is best we do not cross paths.
I locked the thread because of the language, not for the complaints.
Let me say that this has been done because every theme can be run on any rooted phone. Since this is the case then themes need to be moved to the "general" theme section since they can be put on any device.
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I don't mind the complaints, but the language in which yall choose to voice yourselves is not acceptable.
Stericson
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Well since complaining is fine....
POST COMPLAINTS HERE BUT WITHOUT THE LANGUAGE!!!!!
Then it wont get deleted!
Ill go first:
I Hate the way android and windows mobile combine!
I hate the new move!
It was dumb because the original one was fine! and i was on it since the beginning!
now i gotta add more bookmarks where as all i had before was one for it all:
Dream - That was all i needed... it seems to clutter my part up now and that stinks! lol
Complaint away!!! lol
Well like I said, there was no point in keeping all the themes seperate when they, so far, work on any device.
As for having a hard time finding them, you just need to have your theme dev label his thread correctly to help you sort through them.
People always hate change, no surprise
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Well like I said, there was no point in keeping all the themes seperate when they, so far, work on any device.
As for having a hard time finding them, you just need to have your theme dev label his thread correctly to help you sort through them.
People always hate change, no surprise
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they DID label them before the move and they do not run on any device lol
Yes they run on any rooted phone with the appropriate rom loaded.
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Yes they run on any rooted phone with the appropriate rom loaded.
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my dear bro. i tried 10 themes from dream and sapphire and not a single of them run in my european hero. i had to do nandroid restore in every case.
Like I said, youd have to be running those roms
but your phone is capable of running them. If your running a hero rom, then look for the themes marked Hero.
If your running cm rom, look for any g1/mytouch theme....
Stericson
in that case i will have to look for hero rom as i have hero and in here i see 100 of themes in them only 10 for hero. dont u think this is difficult to search for these?
and if there is a quation of rom compatibility then how come u r saying every theme will run in every phone?
and 1 more thing... its not that i will leave this forum if u keep theme section like this but the thing is that maximum users are complaining this new system. this forum is for the users and if max users complain about this then whats the point of keeping it?
cheers man.
A phone is strictly a piece of hardware, and any rooted phone, with the appropriate rom(software) loaded, can run any of these themes.
And yes there are only about 10 hero roms, there are not many of them.
And no I dont find it difficult, as I've looked on the first two pages and found them, clearly marked with "Hero"
Stericson
Stericson, I completely see your point about the merging of the theme areas. I have a MyTouch and browsed the Dream Theme area regularly (and almost never visited the Magic Theme area). While this does lead to a certain bit of confusion by putting everything in the same area (just as the Magic 32a/b rom differentiation gets confusing). Would it be possible that when a dev posts their rom, have all of the rom details in the first post, and all of the supported themes in the 2nd post? Granted, this would probably cause alot of work on everybody's part, but it would make our whole environment better as everything corresponding to a rom would be in a single place.
Now, I know what you're thinking. With this, we'd have to worry about the clutter in the Dev forums; however, what about breaking up the Dev forum to have it be strictly a place for Dev's to work and brainstorm, then setup a seperate area strictly for releases/contributions. I don't know, just an idea.
Ps. For an example of the 1st post Rom, 2nd post Themes, check this out by Enomther. A couple people got posts in between his, but you get the idea.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
If only life was that simple
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A phone is strictly a piece of hardware, and any rooted phone, with the appropriate rom(software) loaded, can run any of these themes
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Sorry but this statement is simply not true. A theme designed for the same hero rom running on both the dream and hero will NOT run on both. A good example is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572151 I also think its very clear that the mass majority of htc "android" users are against this move, whats more is that a simply poll on each android themes section would of made this clear and could of avoided the trouble we android users now face.
Oh and I DO understand that clearly labelled post could avoid any problems but that fact remains that most if not all themes moved are not labelled with there device name included.
I make Themes for Hero. I don't think they work on any other device.
For every ROM you must change anything/many things.
No, guys, so I didn't want to use this section to release my themes.
It's hard work.
In the forum "HTC Hero THEMES and Apps" there must be this themes placed...
Give me one of the themes in this new section, that works on an Hero!
Thats completely.....ouhhh!
If I can spell english so good as german I could better explain, what I mean.
Putting all the themes for "Android" was a bad idea. Plain and simple.
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Your argument would hold if there was a Cyanogen ROM that COULD be used on the Hero, which there isn't.
I don't know who's bright idea it was to put all the android themes together, but it did not help in any way, no matter how much you argue.
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A phone is strictly a piece of hardware, and any rooted phone, with the appropriate rom(software) loaded, can run any of these themes.
And yes there are only about 10 hero roms, there are not many of them.
And no I dont find it difficult, as I've looked on the first two pages and found them, clearly marked with "Hero"
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Well consider the fact that not every (and probably no) developer is going to have every Android device and therefor cant test and verify that their theme runs on whatever device. Even if they are all running the same rom you are asking us to assume that they will work for any device with a compatible rom. I dont think that will be the case honestly. But either way, it still begs the case of organization. It would still be more organized to have sub-forums for things like themes on a device to device basis and if the dev finds that their theme works for different devices and chooses to add a thread under another devices themes forum that should be their choice.
There is a reason that personal computers group system sounds in a system folder and give you the option to store your music in a different place. Its more organized!
Well putting all the android thems to gether has just made it a huge mess ...
Instead of having a nice overview i need to go search for themes and i will miss new themes this way
Place restore the android theme sections as they where so a seperate theme section for every device.
anyone else notice the contradictions that happened when stericson talks???
HAHA
you are in a battle with your own statements, which in my opinion... do not make sense when put together cause they say 2 different things lol
If I have to add another bookmark its no big deal. The g1 theme section is a mess either way because of all the different builds out for the g1. I was gonna suggest that they make submenu's for different builds such as cyanogen, dwang, hero etc. Either way its no biggie to me.
Said it before say it again.. Went from working and clean to cluttered and not working so well. Dont know why they wont change it back as I have not seen anyone who likes it better this way. Thought the whole reason for a fourm is to see what the people like and want.... well its pretty clear what we all want we want it to be the way it was. it was working just fine...
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If I have to add another bookmark its no big deal. The g1 theme section is a mess either way because of all the different builds out for the g1. I was gonna suggest that they make submenu's for different builds such as cyanogen, dwang, hero etc. Either way its no biggie to me.
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So let me get this right..... the old dream theme section was a mess and could of benefited from splitting into even more sub sections but now that 3 different devices theme section have been merged to make a bigger mess.... its no biggie?!
Sorry you really have lost me with that one....
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Sorry but this statement is simply not true. A theme designed for the same hero rom running on both the dream and hero will NOT run on both. A good example is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572151 I also think its very clear that the mass majority of htc "android" users are against this move, whats more is that a simply poll on each android themes section would of made this clear and could of avoided the trouble we android users now face.
Oh and I DO understand that clearly labelled post could avoid any problems but that fact remains that most if not all themes moved are not labelled with there device name included.
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If I put this rom on my G1 then yes it will run on my phone. I know very well how themes work and the limitations provided by them.
For now, we will move the hero themes back.
Stericson
Thank you
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If I put this rom on my G1 then yes it will run on my phone. I know very well how themes work and the limitations provided by them.
For now, we will move the hero themes back.
Stericson
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Sincerely THANK YOU! this was a major problem for hero users at this time.
I can't seem to find a master list of apk's. I'm not talking about just stock, I mean everything. Kind of like a big giant kitchen. Not a list of what should be there, but actual download links. I am thinking the community would benefit from going to a single place to say "hmm....I'd like to try a different email.apk today." Basically a self-service kitchen. I can't count how many times I have to go pull apart a ROM to strip out the keyboard I like to put on my new ROM.
I think this will help cut down on many questions like "where can I find the patched mms.apk......" questions I see all the time. One place.
There is something similar to this in the Vibrant forum, but thought a giant consortium for Galaxy S would be best. Maybe it's something I'd have to work on, but I'd love to have it added to the WIKI. Think about it, you go download your favorite ROM/kernel, whatever, then add some spices........and voila! a kitchen without the hassle of downloading an entire ROM because you want to change one little thing.
Am I crazy? Have I really missed something in all my searches? Am I suffering from Search Overload?
Guess its time to bring a dead thread back to life because I was thinking about this myself just the other day... or is there already one that I'm missing?
I can and will host files if needed I have space and bandwidth that's going to waste.
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PARAGON RC5
So fresh and so clean
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Guess its time to bring a dead thread back to life because I was thinking about this myself just the other day... or is there already one that I'm missing?
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I can and will host files if needed I have space and bandwidth that's going to waste.
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Hosting stock apps might be ok, but def. not paid non-stock apps..!
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Hosting stock apps might be ok, but def. not paid non-stock apps..!
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I wasn't thinking paid appear, but like different free ones that are already out there or apk's for different modified apps that you see on different roms as long as their creators are cool with it
Yes! That's my point. I'd love to have a list of modified stock apps I can scroll through. You know, like a list of all the available email apps (stock, aosp, gingerbread, themed, etc...)The wiki seems like a good place to post it cause then themers/chefs can post up links to their work.
I honestly started digging around last weekend trying to collect links through the forums, but my god is that a lot of work! However thee pay off would be HUGE for all of xda. I just wish I had more time to start it AND all themers/modders/chefs would have to use it! That's what I feel would be more difficult than anything. Trying to get everyone to keep updating it. especially considering many frame work apps are "cross-platform" if you will, meaning an email app from a Desire might work in my Captivate. I'd like to try anyways.
Who's up for helping me? If only I was unemployed i'd have the time.
P.S. This made me happy seeing that someone agrees with me. I thought I had gotten totally ignored.
Sent from my pocket.
Well there are these threads:
[REF] **Captivate MOD/Theme Directory**
has some of the mods listed on there, not much tho (like ROM specific modifications I've seen around)
APK Download
a list of stock APK's and some non stock
So I think starting with this and adding some others would be a good list, especially stickied
It happened something i don't like and i don't understand...
liamstears took all my themed apps (about 70 of them) and all my icons from framework-res.apk an com.htc.resources.apk of my Mixed_Theme and he made his new theme with name Theme Animation 3.6.0...
I don't know how i must react...
Now the 2 themes are almost the same as they have almost all the same icons...
I can't understand why he did that...
I think that every themer must have his own identity. If you see all the themers such as he_stheone64, MaxDroid, david1171, alexdiaz, vistagamer, djdarkknight96 and others i forget now, they have their own identity and their own icons in their themes.
But with much disappointment, i realise that liamstears took almost all the icons from my Mixed_Theme, than making his own work.
I understand that to make an original theme by your own and from beggining neads much, much, much, much and much work. But it totally UNFAIR to take all icons ready made and finished from others themes.... It's tottally UNFAIR and HUGE mistake...
So in my opinion, liamstears didn't respect at all the Noumerous Hours that I spent to give to other users my viewpoint of how can their Desire HD, look like...
So to prove all these things i am saying If you see his old .zip files he had about 10 themed apps in system/app and now he has 70 apps all themed by ME... Also If you open his new theme (i mean all the .apks from his new theme) and also open all the .apks from my Mixed_Theme you will see that he has used almost all my icons...
In the beggining i didn't give much attention, but as i opened all the .apks he has in his new theme calling Theme Animation 3.6.0, everywhere there were MY icons...
The only sure thing is that we both like colorful themes. And to prove that you can see in my signature that i have made Mixed_Theme for my Milestone too, about 6-7 months ago and it was also colorful...But the BIG difference here is that we both like colorful themes doesn't mean that we must the same icons too...
How can now the users, of Desire HD section, decide what theme to use, if there are 2 theme almost the same???
I honestly admire the work of every themer here in xda, including liamstears and i also honestly admire liamstears for his several MODs (like Browser MOD which removes the limit of 5 opened tabs) and in description of my Mixed_Theme i mentioned him for that MOD, but i can not seat here and just watch things happening... and as i explain in P.S. in bottom, the MODs are different and to take all .pngs are different...
I was very tired to make my Mixed_Theme, as all themers who makes original themes by their own. We are talking about 2000 icons and about 3 weeks of work with 6-7 hours/day and i made all icons ONE by ONE from begging...
I can say more things but i am so tired and disappointed... So i stop here...
So here is the right thing that in my opinion can be done:
Conclusions are yours, but as you can understand if liamstears doesn't delete his new theme and try to give you his own theme and make his own icons from beggining, i must delete mine.... as there is no point for users to have 2 same themes with very little differences... So i will wait 1 day...
P.S. All themers, including me, take several MODs from Developers (brightness, PowerControlBar in notification bar, Modded apps like Black HtcDialer, etc). For example to include the Black HTCDialer.apk in my Mixed_Theme, i first asked he_stheone64 (as he is the developer of Black HTCDialer.apk) and after he gave me the permission, i included in my Mixed_Theme.... So to take several MODs, with the permission of developer who maded, it's completly different thing, of taking of one theme all the icons and to put them in your theme... And that is because 1)users will have 2 same themes and most important 2)you don't respect the work and the spended hours of the themer you took the icons.
The whole thing about Android is openess, but if someone's work is being used without permission or without credit being given then that's not good etiquette.
It's not for me to take sides here as I haven't used either theme but I hope you guys manage to sort things out
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The whole thing about Android is openess, but if someone's work is being used without permission or without credit being given then that's not good etiquette.
It's not for me to take sides here as I haven't used either theme but I hope you guys manage to sort things out
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I totally agree with you. If someone wants to use others hard worked resources, he should definitely rely on owner's decision. I have worked on CM 6.1.3 themes and know exactly how painful task it is. Respect others hard work and bring your own ideas instead of using someone's and giving credit to yourself (without even asking him!).
If this is a formal complaint .....PM at your earliest convenience.
Cheers,
M_T_M
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If this is a formal complaint .....PM at your earliest convenience.
Cheers,
M_T_M
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So i saw right now you are our Moderator here in Desire HD section...
So what is your suggestion for all these???
All i am saying can be easely proved...
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The whole thing about Android is openess, but if someone's work is being used without permission or without credit being given then that's not good etiquette.
It's not for me to take sides here as I haven't used either theme but I hope you guys manage to sort things out
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I agree, but that's different from open source idea...
If all of you have 2 themes almost the same, what's the point???
Every themer must have his own viewpoint on how your phones could be look like...
And every themer must have the guts to work hard to present to the users something different...
I understand where your irritation is coming from. I've had two of my large scale themes taken by a particular user and then passed off as completely his own work with him asking for donations for all his hard work. The same user is still using various fragments of my work and claiming it as his own (some people will never learn).
While is annoying and irritating, I don't think it is big enough reason to stop what you are doing. There are always going to be people that will take your work and use it or pass it off as their own. I don't think you should delete your thread/theme and stop releasing it to people as long as you still enjoy doing it.
I don't care if people ask me if they can use my work (and if someone doesn't credit me, as long as they aren't trying to pass it off all of it off as his/her own work and/or asking donations for it). In my threads, I put up a file with all my images and xml files so people don't have to rip all the images out of the various apk's, and they will only have the images from the apk's that I have themed and not the stock images in there as well.
Edit1: I was looking at the last page of your thread, and it appears that you have some users that really like your theme and enjoy using it.
Think of it this way, if people are taking your work, then you're doing something right.
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I understand where your irritation is coming from. I've had two of my large scale themes taken by a particular user and then passed off as completely his own work with him asking for donations for all his hard work. The same user is still using various fragments of my work and claiming it as his own (some people will never learn).
While is annoying and irritating, I don't think it is big enough reason to stop what you are doing. There are always going to be people that will take your work and use it or pass it off as their own. I don't think you should delete your thread/theme and stop releasing it to people as long as you still enjoy doing it.
I don't care if people ask me if they can use my work (and if someone doesn't credit me, as long as they aren't trying to pass it off all of it off as his/her own work and/or asking donations for it). In my threads, I put up a file with all my images and xml files so people don't have to rip all the images out of the various apk's, and they will only have the images from the apk's that I have themed and not the stock images in there as well.
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Look mate, i have done such much work (as you did also) that i have changed almost ALL icons in ALL apps in /system/app. So there are not many icons left to be changed...
And the hole point for me is saperated in 2 things:
1) what's the point to be out there 2 same themes???
2) As i respect the work of all other developers-themers i demand the others to respect mine....
By the way i like colorful themes and you like minimalistics.... So users have 2 different choices... that's how the things should be.... Every themer to deposit his clear opinion.... And as i said both me and liamstears like the colorful themes... So the right thing would be for him to seat infront of his computer and search and port different colorful icons to users...
But that takes much much time, so the ready icons are sweeter....
Whilst I totally understand your point I guess you should consider this: if your work is good enough to be "copied" or "used" by someone other and claimed as his/her own, then it's good work really!
That not asking is totally lacking finesse and etiquette is another consideration of course...
I assume you contacted the thief?
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Whilst I totally understand your point I guess you should consider this: if your work is good enough to be "copied" or "used" by someone other and claimed as his/her own, then it's good work really!
That not asking is totally lacking finesse and etiquette is another consideration of course...
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I see the point of you, but in my opinion in the same section there is no reason all you to have 2 same themes....
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I assume you contacted the thief?
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I don't like to use such words...
Of course i contacted him, and after i did that he put my name in the bottom of his first post...
But i haven't realise from beggining what excatlly he have done... After i downloaded his new theme and i opened every single apk i realise the HUGE mistake of his....
In every .apk has almost all my icons...
And when i realise what was going on, i decided to make this thread and of course i didn't notify him...
I am confused now also
You seemed fine when we talked in private but now you are trying to humilate me and make me look stupid? Why? What is the point of this?
At the end of the day BOTH of us have spent days/weeks/hours on each of our themes, BOTH of us have done lots of work and BOTH of us deserve the praise for the work we have done.
Yes I have used quite a few icons from your theme but why is that different to you using multiple amounts of mods and ideas from other people?
Our themes are different and are ment for different people, the most important icons in out themes are different, a couple of icons I released in that theme of yours were a quick release why I make some of my own as I had lots of requests and just wanted to fill them requests asap.
We both have our own tastes and both want to do our own thing so why cant we just get on with it in a civilised manor?
And if our themes are so similar then why did you release yours in the first place? Knowing that mine is already there which is what yours was going to be anyway?
At the end of the day your crying because someone is using icons from your theme but hey wait a minute, If I look into your theme oh wait a minute you didnt make all of it! You have used many mods from other people and even used icons from other people! I see 1 of your icons you even got from me! I know because I say there with photoshop when I didnt like 1 icon and now you have it exactly the same!
Android OS = Open source!
Everything you release is released knowing that anyone can do what they want with it basically.
I have mentioned you in my thread and thanked you for icons but that is all thats needed, this thread isnt.
You should continue to make your theme but really you should loose the attitude.
You didn't use few of my icons, you used almost ALL my icons... and you took over about 60 apps themed by Me in system/app...
And in the morning we talked I haven't realised exactly what you did...
I don't want to humiliate you, I wrote that I admire you for you MODs like the Browser MOD you did...
But now I am telling this for 1000time...
THERE ARE 2 SAME THEMES OUT THERE...
So if you don't delete your theme and try to make it from begging to show your viewpoint you will force me to delete Mine Theme...
And in you last theme obviously you didn't spend much time...
In previous themes yes I agree you have done good work, but not in your last one, as you used almost ALL my icons and not just FEW...
And I DIDN'T take a single icon from anybody that's for sure...
And if you think I'm crying what can I say???
I agree Android=Open Source but you tell me what's the point to exist 2 same THEMES out there for the users????
P.S Read few post above to see the opinion of another themer here and try to realise that it's nothing wrong with my attitude but with yours...
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Liamstears, there's a difference between open source and being polite. It's fine if you're modifying Kalagas work, and use it for yourself, but repack it as your own and release it is just wrong.
Now, just say that you're sorry, and that's it. And next time, i hope you'll ask before you release other peoples work without permission.
Liamstears, copyright still exists in open source. You can never claim the work as your own, unless explicitly given that right by the copyright holder.
My most important point here is that if one themer takes almost all icons from another themer, then the users will be confused and they will not be able to select a theme for their phone... That's why I insist that every one of the themers must have their unique identity...
And unfortunately the identity of a theme is made by how it's be looking, that means by the icons...
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leppie said:
Liamstears, copyright still exists in open source. You can never claim the work as your own, unless explicitly given that right by the copyright holder.
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BazookaAce said:
Liamstears, there's a difference between open source and being polite. It's fine if you're modifying Kalagas work, and use it for yourself, but repack it as your own and release it is just wrong.
Now, just say that you're sorry, and that's it. And next time, i hope you'll ask before you release other peoples work without permission.
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I agree with both of you and that is why he is mentioned in my thread and thanked for his icons but what I dont get it why he was ok with it and then decided to open this thread?
Also im sorry if hes p***** off I didnt mean to but I dont see why hes going to the extent of saying he will delete his theme theres no need for that. He does good work and should keep it up, people like his theme and mine for different reasons and people choose 1 or the other and people like the choice, you shouldnt take it down.
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My most important point here is that if one themer takes almost all icons from another themer, then the users will be confused and they will not be able to select a theme for their phone... That's why I insist that every one of the themers must have their unique identity...
And unfortunately the identity of a theme is made by how it's be looking, that means by the icons...
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Mine is designed to use 1 of my 2 skins and when skins are used the themes look completely different
They were a lot users that liked your previous releases too...
Now all users that liked my theme, they find it also in your latest release...
I'm not extent it cause I am bad guy or anything else, I just say that there is no reason to exist 2 same THEMES in the same section...
That's all...
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kalagas said:
They were a lot that liked your previous releases too...
Now all users that liked my theme, they find it also in your latest release...
I'm not extent it cause I am bad guy or anything else, I just say that there is on season to exist 2 same THEMES in the same section...
That's all...
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Yes I understand and agree BUT I think themes are different, I have had people say they prefer your theme to mine and people say they prefer mine to yours after my 3.6.0 release, both themes should exist
But how can be different themes if both use almost the same icons in all apps in system/app and almost the same icons in framework-res.apk and in com.HTC. resources.apk
There are no other icons inside the phone...
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Please delete it. Because it contains illegal version of venom tweaks. The venom team do not allow others to use their tweaks. Thanks.
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Please delete it. Because it contains illegal version of venom tweaks. The venom team do not allow others to use their tweaks. Thanks.
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tweaks are virtuous and have more functions,i just confuse it because i compare supervivo and laouzhu too much times)
thx for finding mistake
proof in attachment
saneksem said:
tweaks are virtuous and have more functions,i just confuse it because i compare supervivo and laouzhu too much times)
thx for finding mistake
proof in attachment
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they are venom tweaks, thrown into the virtuous rom
why do you guys feel the need to link chinese kang crap all the time
it really bugs all of us
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they are venom tweaks, thrown into the virtuous rom
why do you guys feel the need to link chinese kang crap all the time
it really bugs all of us
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kang crap?bugs?
1.only chinese kernels have multitouch fully fixed
2.this rom has all functions working and fully smooth sense 4.1
3.I don't understand why venom doesn't give permission to post this rom,because anyway this rom will be installed on many devices,i just must to send rom link to everybody in PM now
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kang crap?bugs?
1.only chinese kernels have multitouch fully fixed
2.this rom has all functions working and fully smooth sense 4.1
3.I don't understand why venom doesn't give permission to post this rom,because anyway this rom will be installed on many devices,i just must to send rom link to everybody in PM now
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1. are they providing kernel source? if so, link it and im sure the kernel devs here will add it in...if not, its not gpl compliant
2. they took someone elses rom (virtuous) and fixed some stuff, great...tell them to provide fixes back to the guys who did 99% of the work....and they arent using a full sense 4.1 rosie, unless they resized one themselves (doubt it)
3. if we provide access to tweaks, they d be in every rom, and nothing would be unique...we do not give permission...
and these guys dont care and just steal whatever they want that isnt theirs to take...linking to this garbage on xda, just pisses all of us (team venom, cant speak for virtuous) off...we cant control what is done in the wild west of chinese forums where theft and piracy are the norm, but seeing it on legitimate development sites like xda is gross...these guys even disable tweak protection in our app (which requires roms to have Viper in them for tweaks to work) so they can call it whatever they want
/end rant
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1. are they providing kernel source? if so, link it and im sure the kernel devs here will add it in...if not, its not gpl compliant
2. they took someone elses rom (virtuous) and fixed some stuff, great...tell them to provide fixes back to the guys who did 99% of the work....and they arent using a full sense 4.1 rosie, unless they resized one themselves (doubt it)
3. if we provide access to tweaks, they d be in every rom, and nothing would be unique...we do not give permission...
and these guys dont care and just steal whatever they want that isnt theirs to take...linking to this garbage on xda, just pisses all of us (team venom, cant speak for virtuous) off...we cant control what is done in the wild west of chinese forums where theft and piracy are the norm, but seeing it on legitimate development sites like xda is gross...these guys even disable tweak protection in our app (which requires roms to have Viper in them for tweaks to work) so they can call it whatever they want
/end rant
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I don't wish to offend you and venom team,i respect venom's hard work of tweaks and ROM's,and so i respect chinese associates.maybe,some of them are stealing rom files,but only they made most useful rom.I hadn't seen any analog or better version of sense 4.1 rom's in "incredible s development".
But more and more people are writing to me in pm,deleting links was useless.
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1. are they providing kernel source? if so, link it and im sure the kernel devs here will add it in...if not, its not gpl compliant
2. they took someone elses rom (virtuous) and fixed some stuff, great...tell them to provide fixes back to the guys who did 99% of the work....and they arent using a full sense 4.1 rosie, unless they resized one themselves (doubt it)
3. if we provide access to tweaks, they d be in every rom, and nothing would be unique...we do not give permission...
and these guys dont care and just steal whatever they want that isnt theirs to take...linking to this garbage on xda, just pisses all of us (team venom, cant speak for virtuous) off...we cant control what is done in the wild west of chinese forums where theft and piracy are the norm, but seeing it on legitimate development sites like xda is gross...these guys even disable tweak protection in our app (which requires roms to have Viper in them for tweaks to work) so they can call it whatever they want
/end rant
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I don't wish to offend you and venom team,i respect venom's hard work of tweaks and ROM's,and so i respect chinese associates.maybe,some of them are stealing rom files,but only they made most useful rom.I hadn't seen any analog or better version of sense 4.1 rom's in "incredible s development".
But more and more people are writing to me in pm,deleting links was useless.
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I don't wish to offend you and venom team,i respect venom's hard work of tweaks and ROM's,and so i respect chinese associates.maybe,some of them are stealing rom files,but only they made most useful rom.I hadn't seen any analog or better version of sense 4.1 rom's in "incredible s development".
But more and more people are writing to me in pm,deleting links was useless.
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you are breaking our sharing rules and violating xda policy by sharing illegal roms then, thanks
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you are breaking our sharing rules and violating xda policy by sharing illegal roms then, thanks
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you are breaking our sharing rules and violating xda policy by sharing illegal roms then, thanks
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i'm not going against venom,but now xda users are like in vacuum and they must wait for a month or two longer to become original fully working oficial venom build
as soon as a moderator reads this u are at risk of getting banned ! why u want to get BANNED
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
As an addition, developers have the right to hold exclusivity over their work for as long as it is deemed necessary by the dev or freely share it. However, if the work is claimed as exclusive, it must remain as such. No selective sharing will be allowed (ie allowing certain people to use it and not others). Should the dev decide to start sharing the work with others, the work automatically becomes fair game for all to use.
In regards to permissions, same rules remain for this but if permission was already given, unless there is a very valid reason, it cannot be revoked (same applies to major updates on the work). Under that same premise, permissions cannot be denied unless the work is exclusive or under severe circumstances.
In plain English: If you want to keep your work exclusive, go for it. However, if you are going to share your work, do it fairly.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA (including but not limited to ROMs, RUUs, apps, games, kernels, themes, icons, etc) unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
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Thread closed because it doesn't serve any purpose.