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windows mobile 6.1 the Suck

Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".

rocken7 said:
Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Yep....it's you.....and guess what....nobody is forcing you to buy a Windows Mobile device.....so either "suck" it up and learn how to use it, or buy something else.

Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.

bmo.alt said:
Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.
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so true. 6.1 is rock solid. TomTom picks up satellites signal a lot faster. Better battery life.

Yeah, mine is great also. Maybe it is a user problem?

I tell ya what, I've spent time with Palm, which isn't too bad but isn't WM, I've spent time with the Iphone, and let me tell you something, you have to ****ing install openssh on it to be able to ftp to the phone so that you can copy over any file that isn't a song or a pic. (I'm sure I could add a few commas in there) I've also used Symbian phone, which is like palm.. Hands down, right here right now, non come close to WM and what it can do and what you can do with it.
OP the Suck

I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.

It is so easy to bash M$.
My opinion, and that's all any of us have, is that Windows Mobile is the best mobile OS out there. It allows me to do a lot more with my phone than any other OS.

I think doofus had seconds on his retard sandwich today.... what an idiot.

rocken7 said:
I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.
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First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.

Sorry valt, didn't mean to fire up the flame bait. I think AOL chat is still open for business ...

i think that as just an operating system in general WM is kinda crap... but one has to understand that it is mobile os and compared o the rest of the mobile os's its the best i was just nieve in buying this thinking/ hearing WINDOWS and not the mobile part so much...my only quip tho, is that since this is windows MOBILE the mobile functions should be better than that on a normal phone (not a hinderance on performace, i mean this thing has a dedicated phone processor and seperate media proc. right? i think on the msm7xxx series they did not properly implement them or something..)... some mobile phone functions are really good on WM but other like the complexities you have to go through to do normal stuff sometimes.... oh well

I heard they are completely revamping the windows UI stuff in wm7 + 8 but that is not coming out until 2010 which is saaad.

Dude I have been using WM based mobiles since 2003 and I think WM is by far the best OS in the market, its been built for advanced users or people with fair knowledge of computing, if you think it is too much for you to handle why dont you buy a regular handset like NOKIA 3310 or if you think you are advanced enough get one of those crapy symbian mobiles.....

rocken7 said:
Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Go buy full power interface iphone....
Dumbass.

Valtamr said:
First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.
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Wait just a minuet Your giving this guy "Credibility" you must be feeling kind today. I to wondered how he got the "Least bad of the bunch" and still had the worst phone on the Planet. Maybe he should try another retail store with a larger selection! Or maybe he just a bit hard to please! Well I could not live with out my tilt as I felt the same about my Hearms, and when I can hide enough funds away from the warden to get a Diamond, I will feel the same about that. I guess I like the platform or maybe I am easy to please. One thing if I didn't like a Rom I would find a group of Developers ,Join their forum, learn how to cook and flash my own custom roms and create what ever I wanted. Hey wait a minuet that's what I did! Maybe Rocken7 should join XDA go to WiKi learn how to flash find a rom he is Happy with and stop making these silly post, but that's not what he did. Now this is not a burn although Rocken7 you have walked into a room with a bulls eye on you back and said "BURN ME"! with the comment you posted! so beware! We are watching! It might just be that you are a tad to critical! I am sure we have everything you need to make your device what you need it to be. Hope you can make the best of what you got! Good Luck!
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It's as simple as what you want your phone to do and what you're able to do with it. So many people rant and rave about Wm devices on these forums, which are really designed to educate, illuminate, and progress our devices. People who ***** about there new device probably should not have purchased it in the first place! Would I recommend a Hermes, kaiser or diamond to my Dad, Mom or Grandma? Depends if you are wearing Depends. Or to my buddy that's been using a Razr for the past 3 years? They would look like a monkey trying to open a coconut. Two of my best friends just got the Lg Vu and don't even know how to log onto the basic medianet. It's funny how everyone I've caught using a Kaiser "Tilt"; they always tell me how much they hate it and I laugh inside; It's simply not the phone for you; simple as that

I love mine, but I love fiddling with things
There's no way on earth I'd recommend one to anyone who's just after a phone, because (out-of-the-box) it's awful.
I enjoy the customisation aspects of mine. But there are still some 'phone' aspects which I feel are seriously lacking. The fun (for me) is finding stuff to make it work the way I want it to.

Windows mobile is a great operating system, functionality wise, but its interface sucks.
I run PointUI on my phone, which means I can access most features and functions very quickly using just my thumb, without the horrible WM interface. With this, most functions would be easy to use even for a n00b with no WM experience.
The fact that I can run PointUI on WM, or Throttle launcher, or SPB mobile shell, or a number of other options, is what makes WM so great - it can be made to do what people want. Still would have been better if Microsoft had focused on the UI from the beginning.
The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.

DavidMc0 said:
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The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.
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Exactly ! WM6.1 is a lot better than 6.0 and most of all 5 ... let's focus on the future and the juicy stuff Apple brings us.

Android on X1

hey, i know theres a way to put it on the kaiser already. any way on putting it on the x1?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782

Would be cool.
I want to install OS X too!

That would be pretty cool to see if it could be done

Im also interested in android for the x1, but just not yet. Dont really think its mature enough yet ( the OS )
cheers

at the current point of time i dont see a reason to use android either...
software for that plattform is still very very limited compared to WinMo

Turboguard said:
I want to install OS X too!
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yeah, I want to install OS2 warp!
seriously... it's a brand new device, don't start to bother with impossible requests

toxical said:
at the current point of time i dont see a reason to use android either...
software for that plattform is still very very limited compared to WinMo
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Learn some Java, write your own games and programs, and change the OS however you like. Maybe that's a reason?

I must say after playing with a G1 for a couple weeks now, getting gmail/contacts/calendar sync straight out of the box is really quite nice, and the interface is a real breath of fresh air for high-end devices.
However Android is still missing some key features (that I personally need) -- and not just whimsical "Hello world!" apps -- so like most other people I'll be waiting a few more software revisions/releases before I jump ship. But I am looking forward to it!

Black93300ZX said:
Learn some Java, write your own games and programs, and change the OS however you like. Maybe that's a reason?
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yeah, like i have unlimited free time My phone has to work and offer good features/software..i am sure android will be great, its just not there yet.

guap said:
yeah, I want to install OS2 warp!
seriously... it's a brand new device, don't start to bother with impossible requests
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i dont see why its an impossible request... its been done to two htc phones already just waiting on a port to the x1..

Sony Ericsson Indonesia said:
i dont see why its an impossible request... its been done to two htc phones already just waiting on a port to the x1..
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Well I think it's technically impossible until some developers get their hands on a X1 (or two), and right now I don't think any of them have any. No doubt a call for donations will be due for such a tall order.

xperia
How do you install Iphone OS on the xperia. It will be so cool. The xperia is way too slow and rough compared to the iphone 3g. Its like comparing a bus with a Ferrari. The Ferrari being the iphone.

greatestkelvin said:
How do you install Iphone OS on the xperia. It will be so cool. The xperia is way too slow and rough compared to the iphone 3g. Its like comparing a bus with a Ferrari. The Ferrari being the iphone.
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Hope for your sake you're just kidding
Also, you can carry a lot of useful things on a bus. With a Ferrari, it's just you and maybe one passenger.

You can already install a gimped version of Android on most WM phones..in fact it was possible several months ago. Someone pieced together a beta build using the Android-SDK. You install it in windows mobile and then choose to run it over WM. It isn't worth it though...not until someone takes the source and codes something specific to the X1 and even then it probably won't be great since the X1 can't do Multi-Touch like the OS is supposedly intended for either.
Just like others have said, the OS is still in rough shape. It would need quite a bit of work to get it going properly on an X1 and even then you would be limited.. However given a recent "leak" of info from MS it seem we should be expecting a WM6.5 upgrade in the comming months before WM7's launch that will give a better experience to users with touch screen phones. This likely means a better looking layout that is easier to navigate by finger.

I'm waiting for my X1. Then I'm gonna try to get Android 2 work.

mlinz said:
It isn't worth it though...not until someone takes the source and codes something specific to the X1 and even then it probably won't be great since the X1 can't do Multi-Touch like the OS is supposedly intended for either.
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Wouldn't "multi-touch" be an OS feature and not a hardware one?

xmoo said:
I'm waiting for my X1. Then I'm gonna try to get Android 2 work.
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Whoo!! i bow down to you hope ur x1 comes soon.. i bought mine to mess around with...

well this is a cool thing, but just for playing around, you cant work on a day to day base with that yet i bet.
Are there even drivers for the SD Card, Bluetooth, GPS, Camera and all that stuff done yet for other HTC phones running Android? Without all of that working its quite useless, on the other hand its important that some people get into it but as a enduser i wouldnt put any hopes in that.

well from what i understand the way you put android on htc devices it runs ontop of winmo so you can play around with it and when ur bored or whatever you can just switch back to windows mobile instead of android.. isnt a bad thing to try out imho..
right now im semi bored and trying out the polaris/kaiser/vouge files... the polaris one doesnt work.. gonna try others..

Both actually. The OS has to have support for it, but the screen needs to be able to register more than 1 simultaneous touch. You could technically use a few different types of screens for Multi-Touch, but most used today (Resistive) aren't that great and won't work as well when processing multiple inputs. The iphone, G1 use Capacitive touch screen thats offer a high level clarity and make recognition for a multi-touch enviroment a lot better.
The basic differenence recognition. Resistive, such as that used in most HTC devices (including the X1) has 2 layers with a gap inbetween and works off pressure. When you press on the screen, the "gap" shortends and the screen below pinpoints the pressed area from that, which isn't that great if you touch multiple locations the ability for the lower screen to recognize the location of the press will diminish because not only does the gap shorten there, but it also shorten in the distance between the to points. Other ways are to use tons of little cameras around screen, like the MS Surface, but that isn't that great either, specifically on a smaller screen size.

Native Android phones vs Touch

After using Android on Touch for 2 months, I'm convinced that my next phone will be an Android phone. Now I need to convince my family members who want Iphone. Nobody has either Android phone or iphone at the moment.
I'm using Touch as a proxy for Android phone and my wife uses Ipod Touch as a proxy for Iphone. Unfortunately, it is obvious that Itouch blows Android Touch in terms of UI, speed and stability.
So my question is are android phones such as Droid, Incredible offer much more speed and stability (no FC) than Touch? I want to hear first hand experience rather than spec comparisons.

acegolfer said:
I want to hear first hand experience rather than spec comparisons.
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then you are posting in the wrong forum; most of the frequenters here have the HTC Vogue: Touch CDMA . . .

I believe we've had several members graduate to a "android device" and they have had nothing but good results. Jamezelle I think was one of them, he got an Eris and loved it if I remember right.

There is a night and day difference is speed stability etc. The nexus one, or sony x10 for example run cpu's that are more than twice the speed of our vogue, and a better cpu to boot.
My friend has a sony x10, he compared it with a few of his buddies who have iphones and the screen quality itself was the biggest difference. Vilord got an incredible, went out with some of his iphone buddies, nothing held a candle to the incredible in terms of speed/screen quality.
android = more free apps, faster cpu's faster gpu's, more 'hacking/customizing' ability
iphone = ease of use for non technically oriented people, tons of commercial apps, yeah they cost but they mean better quality too.
Don't take me wrong, I obviously prefer android, but the iphone is also really nice, I wouldn't complain if I had one, especially since they're starting to be able to run android. lol
acegolfer said:
After using Android on Touch for 2 months, I'm convinced that my next phone will be an Android phone. Now I need to convince my family members who want Iphone. Nobody has either Android phone or iphone at the moment.
I'm using Touch as a proxy for Android phone and my wife uses Ipod Touch as a proxy for Iphone. Unfortunately, it is obvious that Itouch blows Android Touch in terms of UI, speed and stability.
So my question is are android phones such as Droid, Incredible offer much more speed and stability (no FC) than Touch? I want to hear first hand experience rather than spec comparisons.
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berardi said:
I believe we've had several members graduate to a "android device" and they have had nothing but good results. Jamezelle I think was one of them, he got an Eris and loved it if I remember right.
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I'm going to say that I completely agree with this statement. I ran android on my touch for quite awhile and switched to an eris. I'll tell you it was a great move, not to knock the vogue, but the screen clarity/size, speed and capacitive touch + multi touch are a huge upgrade.
Being in this forum got me hooked on android, and consequently I had my vogue longer than any other phone in the past (my thanks go to the devs and the community), but I'm sure happy to have an upgrade. Now onto the incredible..
As for swaying people to use the native android devices, one of my buddies and my girlfriend have an iphone and a bb storm. When they saw android on my touch they kinda laughed at it and thought it was a "cool" novelty, crammed on my small device, but now that I have the eris, they both want an android phone. My girlfriend wants my eris when I get the incredible and my buddy is probably gonna sign a 2-year with vzw for the incredible, or get the nexus on t-mobile.
To each their own though, some people like the "simplicity" of the iphone, but when they actually see their options, they may want to change...

acegolfer said:
After using Android on Touch for 2 months, I'm convinced that my next phone will be an Android phone. Now I need to convince my family members who want Iphone. Nobody has either Android phone or iphone at the moment.
I'm using Touch as a proxy for Android phone and my wife uses Ipod Touch as a proxy for Iphone. Unfortunately, it is obvious that Itouch blows Android Touch in terms of UI, speed and stability.
So my question is are android phones such as Droid, Incredible offer much more speed and stability (no FC) than Touch? I want to hear first hand experience rather than spec comparisons.
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I just graduated from the Vogue to the Incredible and as nice as the Vogue was running Android it doesn't compare to running Android on a native device for a few reasons.
A) Everything works out of the box (MMS, GPS, Bluetooth, etc)
B) Way faster (No slow downs, freezes, reboots, etc)
C) Multi-touch (Capacitive vs Resistive)
D) Bigger and brightrer screens. (3.2in or more vs 2.8in)
The Vogue running Android is definitely ready for daily use and its more than a side step to a native phone but it still a bit short of the new phones. Also consider the age of the device. Its amazing how much extra life Android has given this device but its just not a fair comparison.
I love my Vogue and kept it for 26 months only because of Android. Bottom line, if you think Android is nice on the Vogue, you will think its awesome on and actual Android device

mssmison said:
Don't take me wrong, I obviously prefer android, but the iphone is also really nice, I wouldn't complain if I had one, especially since they're starting to be able to run android. lol
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hehe. I was thinking about that the other night. At this point I think an iPhone would be a pretty sweet device to have. The best of both worlds.
I've seen the YouTube videos of it running Android and it appears to be running pretty good.

I had an iPhone for a couple months. Honestly I prefer even Windows Mobile.
Yes the iphone is beautiful, shiny, all that jazz great apps don't get me wrong, it's fantastic.
BUT
I mean this in the most sincere way - I firmly feel it is NOT your device. Apple's name is written all over every aspect of your device. I'd compare it best to communist Russia - good overall standard of living maybe, but no individuality, no choice, nothing. Sure there's cyanomod (sp) but the breaking point for me was when my iphone was having a problem and the only way to fix the problem is plug it in and resync / restore with itunes (epic facepalm).
Now Android is leaps and bounds ahead of Winmo, with regards to UI, but truthfully, just being able to troubleshoot your own device, having those errors here and there, it really is something to be appreciated when you are on a device that is owned by someone else. I can only imagine how wonderful it must be to have a droid or nexus one - I dream of it as a present day utopia.
Whatever you do, make sure you really try the iphone and see if you can really make peace with it. I absolutely could not. Everything is completely dumbed down. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for the ease of use and minimalist experience, but I feel Android strikes the right balance - flush between iPhone and Win Mo. YMMV, maybe you like your phone to just do what it's told and have no connection to it. For me, I get quite emotional with these little things. Pretty soon I'm going to have to buy a ring for this Vogue, it's going on 3 years...
Call me corny, I just feel NO emotional connection to the iPhone. I feel like it was just handed to us and we're told this is your phone, use it. Almost like going to a public library and lending out a computer but you can't do anything to it.

br125 said:
one of my buddies and my girlfriend have an iphone and a bb storm. When they saw android on my touch they kinda laughed at it and thought it was a "cool" novelty, crammed on my small device
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That is so funny...it was like I was reading a post about myself in the 3rd person or something....That is the exact same reaction I received from my g/f and her brother who rocks the BB Storm...but the funny thing is, last week, he asked me what I thought about the incredible because he is now thinking of making the switch from BB. Who's laughing now!

berardi said:
I had an iPhone for a couple months. Honestly I prefer even Windows Mobile.
Yes the iphone is beautiful, shiny, all that jazz great apps don't get me wrong, it's fantastic.
BUT
I mean this in the most sincere way - I firmly feel it is NOT your device. Apple's name is written all over every aspect of your device. I'd compare it best to communist Russia - good overall standard of living maybe, but no individuality, no choice, nothing. Sure there's cyanomod (sp) but the breaking point for me was when my iphone was having a problem and the only way to fix the problem is plug it in and resync / restore with itunes (epic facepalm).
Now Android is leaps and bounds ahead of Winmo, with regards to UI, but truthfully, just being able to troubleshoot your own device, having those errors here and there, it really is something to be appreciated when you are on a device that is owned by someone else. I can only imagine how wonderful it must be to have a droid or nexus one - I dream of it as a present day utopia.
Whatever you do, make sure you really try the iphone and see if you can really make peace with it. I absolutely could not. Everything is completely dumbed down. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for the ease of use and minimalist experience, but I feel Android strikes the right balance - flush between iPhone and Win Mo. YMMV, maybe you like your phone to just do what it's told and have no connection to it. For me, I get quite emotional with these little things. Pretty soon I'm going to have to buy a ring for this Vogue, it's going on 3 years...
Call me corny, I just feel NO emotional connection to the iPhone. I feel like it was just handed to us and we're told this is your phone, use it. Almost like going to a public library and lending out a computer but you can't do anything to it.
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I agree 100%. I'm sold with Android. I like to tweak things to make it work.
But my family members like simplicity over functionality. They don't even know what jailbreak means. Nevertheless, they like Ipod touch. Go figure.
I have to convince them that the new Android phones just work out of box. As you can expect, demonstrating Android using HTC Touch won't make them convinced.

I am supposed to get a business demo of the Incredible, so Ill report back here. They're apparently on back order even for business demos, so it might be a week or two. I currently have the xv6900 running on Verizon with Myns RLS5 on NAND.

yes i have also graduated from my vogue to an eris, and then to the motodroid, and android is 300% better than it was on my vogue

Up until got the HTC TOUCH (VOGUE) My friends would laugh at me and ask "OK what phone did you get now?" I would literally go thru a phone every 7-9 months. Until the Vogue came into my life. Sure everyone got BlackBerries and iPHONE's, but I would never have enough incentive to move over. I have been using using Myn's ANDROID on my touch for the last 90 days and it gets better with every release, but I still get hiccups and crashes from time to time. Sometime the phone will lockup completely. (granted I am running off a CLASS 4 SD card) I just love the form factor of the device. HTC really got it right when they released this phone. But alas .... now that I have a taste for ANDROID I know that my next device will probably be the HTC EVO on sprint.

[Q] A Newb to Android

I just ordered my Samsung Captivate and now I am just waiting...
Maybe I could pass the time learning about Android!?
Having only had a little expierience with my Friend's MotoBackflip running Doughnut and my current phone being Winmo 6.5, I wanted to know the best way to learn about Android before I recieve my phone.
What would be the best learning resource?
I have a feeling I am going to want to Root the phone which I don't completely know what that means but if it gets rid of the the Bloatware then I am just fine with it.
HTC has spoiled me so I have a feeling I am going to want to get rid of TouchWiz too but we'll see.
I have like a thousand questions but I am a pretty capable person so just point me in the right direction if you can!

as far as rooting i think you could take a look at the android dev forum , theres some info there about rooting and different roms available I believe

Don't use a task killer.
They are not needed. And there is no reason not to root. And it is pretty much risk free.
Sent from my iPhone with the bigger Gee Bees.

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Don't use a task killer.
They are not needed. And there is no reason not to root. And it is pretty much risk free.
Sent from my iPhone with the bigger Gee Bees.
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Weird, I thought a task killer would be essential. I've always wondered where those little programs go if you don't close them lol

Shival said:
Having only had a little expierience with my Friend's MotoBackflip running Doughnut and my current phone being Winmo 6.5
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Hmm, I'm in a bit of a similar situation (though I've owned an iPhone in-between owning WinMo and then Android).
First off, the best way to learn is to see whether devs had ported Android to your WinMo phone or not. If they did, use that to learn. If not, try reading an Android guidebook (e.g. T-Mobile G1 for Dummies) or simply using an available Android emulator. There's one at: http://tmobile.modeaondemand.com/htc/g1/
Lastly, there's a bit of a difference between Android's root and WinMo's HardSPL. The only purpose of HardSPL is basically to change ROMs...because WinMo pretty much allows you to do anything else you want. Android's rooting, on the other hand, doesn't just allow you to install ROMs, but it allows you to use a variety of programs which requires your phone to be rooted (e.g. ROM Manager), install certain tweaks, and so on.
As an analogy, Android's root is probably closer to iOS' jailbreaking than it is to WinMo's HardSPL. As with the iPhone's jailbreaking, rooting allows you access to a larger variety of apps, tweaks to change how your phone performs, and so on.
If you have any other questions, then basically the right direction to point you in is the Android phone forums around here. Read the questions others asked, see the answers, and learn. That's how I did it.

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Weird, I thought a task killer would be essential. I've always wondered where those little programs go if you don't close them lol
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Android is built on Linux. Linux does not handle resources the way Windows does. Basically, it closes programs when it is done on its own.
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Your def in the right place. This is my first android phone and from what I understand the captivate is one of thee r easier phones to do anything with. I've flashed this thing a bunch of times already and there hasn't ben any custom roms released for it yet. Check out the stickies in the dev forum. Everything is there. And there s no way to get rid of touch whiz yet. Launcher pro is pretty awesome though. Its free on the market
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

Is LauncherPro basically another UI?
When I goto root my device, which or what is going to be the best way?
Should I do the Onclick root program thing? or is there an even better way?
This is sounding like it is going to be just as much fun as the first time I Flashed my HD =]
[Edit]
I just noticed the Re-done Captivate guide so that looks like its gonna solve a bunch of my questions! Sorry that I didn't notice it before I posted.
Thank-you everyone that posted!
-Further Questions
Am I going to want to root the phone as soon as I get it?
Would it be best to use the phone with my Ubuntu partition?
I have a feeling I am going to want launcherpro, should I cash out and get LauncherPro Plus?

new to WP7...should i get an HD7?

i was thinking of getting an HD7 from craigslist for $275. first of all, and most importantly, is this a fair price? second, i was wondering if you guys can tell me what the HD7 can do in terms of hacking/jailbreak/root (whatever you call it for WP7) and custom roms. also, i want to know if the phone can be unlocked easily. i'm a complete noob on WP, but know my way around android and ios, so thought i might try something different. thanks.

isoDUB said:
i was thinking of getting an HD7 from craigslist for $275. first of all, and most importantly, is this a fair price? second, i was wondering if you guys can tell me what the HD7 can do in terms of hacking/jailbreak/root (whatever you call it for WP7) and custom roms. also, i want to know if the phone can be unlocked easily. i'm a complete noob on WP, but know my way around android and ios, so thought i might try something different. thanks.
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275 isn't bad for a 2 month old phone. As for unlocking, the only form of unlocking, besides SIM, is developer unlocking to sideload any xap you want. At the moment the HD7 is damn near fully functional. Just the other day the guys on here unlocked the secret to tethering on HTC WP7s. We've got registry editors, file explorers, mass storage hack, custom colors for any part of the theme, custom ringtones/alarms/alerts, desktop-device file transfer, copy and paste (coming in the update)...so were doin well. No custom Roms as far as I know though. Unnecessary really. Don't wanna end up with buggy, laggy crap like Android...

eternalemb said:
275 isn't bad for a 2 month old phone. As for unlocking, the only form of unlocking, besides SIM, is developer unlocking to sideload any xap you want. At the moment the HD7 is damn near fully functional. Just the other day the guys on here unlocked the secret to tethering on HTC WP7s. We've got registry editors, file explorers, mass storage hack, custom colors for any part of the theme, custom ringtones/alarms/alerts, desktop-device file transfer, copy and paste (coming in the update)...so were doin well. No custom Roms as far as I know though. Unnecessary really. Don't wanna end up with buggy, laggy crap like Android...
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Android is fully functional right now..It runs better than WM7 if you ask me..

hello00 said:
Android is fully functional right now..It runs better than WM7 if you ask me..
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Don't know what WM7 is but WP7 is much smoother and is faster in general than Android, thanks in part to a GPU accelerated UI. Android has a few features that WP7 doesn't have at the moment but its also 3 years older than the 2 month old WP7.

Android is a fantastic UI, no way you can knock it and the application market is now as huge as the mighty Apples, but I can't see where the development is going on Android, seems the next big step will be not gingerbread with its small additions, but a form of Honeycomb for non tabs, I feel that Android for me seems ever so slightly old, comfortable and roomy, where as WP7 is young, sporty and ready for more and the UI maybe basic, but its fresh and lively to use which makes using it a joy, so I would say going for any WP7 phone at the moment is a good choice.

hello00 said:
Android is fully functional right now..It runs better than WM7 if you ask me..
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HAHA Brilliant! Even the Desire HD is laggy as hell compared to any WP7. What are you smoking and where can I buy it

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HAHA Brilliant! Even the Desire HD is laggy as hell compared to any WP7. What are you smoking and where can I buy it
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+1. Although I don't smoke...

you should deffo get a HD7 as thus far it is the best phone out. I really wanted the samsung omnia 7 but was forced down the hd7 route instead and since doing so i have used the omnia and can say it was the right path for me. Though the phone is quite massive it actually feels very slim and much nicer in the hand as well as looking much sexier.

Correct or not, an HD7 sounds better, as the letter H is pronounced 'aitch'. Since you make the A sound, it seems natural to throw an in front of it.
275 isn't a bad deal. Worst case you could sell it to a third party type phone company. I know of one that currently pays 200 for HD7's.

get multi os device..get an hd2 !!!

sagarjawaress said:
get multi os device..get an hd2 !!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3hFoTflJP0
must watch the above video

that HD2 is running the updated ROM coming out next week, of course it'll be faster.

Are you on t mobile? If so and you aren't rushed to get one right away I would say to wait and see for the rumored HTC Mozart that supposedly is coming out very soon. That's what I'm waiting on.
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the Dell Venue Pro (tmo) looks quite nice as well.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-venue-pro/pd

jimbonics said:
the Dell Venue Pro (tmo) looks quite nice as well.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-venue-pro/pd
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I've only heard about defects with that phone. Never played with one in person though.
$275 is a great deal considering I bought my fiance an HD7 for $300 off craigslist a few weeks ago.

the Venue Pro not the regular Venue?

Nevermind... I trotted on over to the DVP forum...
yeesh. just bought my boss an 8 gig model earlier today... let's hope it doesn't have these issues!!

The venue is android, the venue pro is windows phone 7 with a portrait keyboard.
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jimbonics said:
Nevermind... I trotted on over to the DVP forum...
yeesh. just bought my boss an 8 gig model earlier today... let's hope it doesn't have these issues!!
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All the issues and the size of the phone are reasons why I want to look elsewhere for windows phone 7 phone. Otherwise, I do like the phone.
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I would say, that you should go for the HD7. It's without any doubt the WP7 device at the moment. Great, big screen, fast OS and much, much more things. I'm totally satisfied with the HD7 although games load a little bit slow. But with the NoDO-Update, games should get a boost from what I've seen. And the HD2-thing: I can't hear it anymore! "Buy a HD2", "If you want a good phone, then buy the HD2". The only good OS that you can have on the HD2 is WP7, 'cause Android on the HD2 is laggy and WM is pretty crappy anyways. And WP7 is the HD7's stock-OS. So, why should one buy the HD2?