So, now that the Nexus One is sold out of the Google store, do you think prices for very lightly used Nexus Ones on eBay will go up or down soon? Today I saw a new one sell for $560, while I see online retailers and Buy-it-nows for like $650. I just now saw a used Nexus One sell for $376 in the auction, and used ones I have seen are in the high-300s and 400s (although sometimes not all the original accessories are included). So I was thinking, the prices could go up because there is a higher demand for a limited supply of great phones, while also there may be a decrease in demand for a phone that could have a loss of support in the future. But I am basically wondering, how much different do you think the prices in the near future (maybe 1 month or so) on eBay will be than they are now?
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So, now that the Nexus One is sold out of the Google store, do you think prices for very lightly used Nexus Ones on eBay will go up or down soon? Today I saw a new one sell for $560, while I see online retailers and Buy-it-nows for like $650. I just now saw a used Nexus One sell for $376 in the auction, and used ones I have seen are in the high-300s and 400s (although sometimes not all the original accessories are included). So I was thinking, the prices could go up because there is a higher demand for a limited supply of great phones, while also there may be a decrease in demand for a phone that could have a loss of support in the future. But I am basically wondering, how much different do you think the prices in the near future (maybe 1 month or so) on eBay will be than they are now?
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It depend on what other choice people have, There's quite a few android phone coming out, in the mean time I guess some people who have the $$ will pay high price to get what they want
my advice is to not buy a Nexus One.
The nexus one is a great phone, totally worth the price and options and if you have your mind set on one, dont let anyone tell you different. However, its being a little outdone by recent phones. It doesn't make sense to buy a phone that is already being surpassed. Currently newer android phones like the Droid X or the Galaxy S line cost the same as the Nexus but have higher hardware.
My predictions for the price of the Nexus One are: Initially the price will go up, as with all technology, if something is hard to acquire the price will jump as it is valuable and you can milk the buyer. After some time the price will stabilize and begin to be less then the $530 initial price.
Yeah to tell you the truth I would rather have something like an Evo 4G or a Droid X, but those phones are locked to their respective carriers in the USA right? I live in Germany right now and will for about another year, and I would rather have a very unlocked phone like the Nexus One which I can buy from American eBay (or Google store before it closed) and ship it here to avoid paying in Euros.
The galaxy S is a very good phone from what I hear, there is also a International version of the phone.
I bought mine €427 all-in
my screen is now cracked on my nexus after a bad drop and I have been debating if i wanted to spend 530 on a new nexus for a couple weeks now.
ultimatly i couldn't convice myself to spend that much on a phone already outdated hardware wise even though the software support is first rate.
The samsung galaxy s is an awesome phone but the fact its shipping without froyo for now is a deal killer. After using froyo I can not go back to 2.1. Some people might say just buy it and wait for it to be released this fall, but there are some eye poping rumors about the HTC vision coming out.
Overall, the nexus was a GREAT phone, and without the crack I wouldnt be in the market for a new phone but spending 600+ for one doesnt make much sense now
The big bonus everyone forgets about the N1 is that its basically a dev phone.
Google pretty much wants us to tinker with it, stuff it full of roms and abuse it.
We also get alot more access to do to our phone what other carriers and makers are trying to block and stop.
Yes the hardware isnt the "newest" of the new but I would hardly call the phone outdated. Is my 2010 Fusion outdated because the 2011s are coming out? hardly. It isnt the newest on the block anymore but its still relevant and supported.
Also, I think that unless a phone comes to market with Gingerbread later this year the Nexus will probably be the first device to run this for a few months at least.
Lastly, look at the iPhone 4. I can show you a handful of reviews where even mac fans say the Nexus one closely matches that phone in performance and features and they only release one a yr. The nexus one wont be irrelevant until next summer.
I think that, until Google proves it can push an Android update to all phones simultaneously, there will always be a market for the Nexus 1.
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Hey guys,
I've been looking to buy a Nexus, however Im hesitant because of all the rapid improvements to smart-phones lately. Seems like just yesterday my G1 was the **** because of its 528mhz processor.. But if I were to lay down the $500+ for it, I would hate for the "Nexus 2" to come out a month later.. accompanied by the regret and face palms. Of course, I'm not expecting that specific scenario to unfold, but how long do you think the specs for the N1 will last as a competitive player in the field? And do you think it's safe to say the upcoming android updates we have yet to experience will be compatible with it?
-Thanks for your input!
The Nexus One is a great phone, but as with the G1 ALL technology is eventually replaced, I chose the nexus one becuase its Googles phone, which means if any phone has a chance to still be the beta tester for all android things to come it would be the nexus one. The Evo and Incredible are all basically re-branded Nexus One's, same hardware different software. The nexus one was my first smartphone, actually my first phone ever (my parents hate tech lol) and I've seen people with their iphones and bberries and I pull out my nexus one and KNOW without a shadow of a doubt I have the best phone. If the nexus one looks appealing to you and you are happy with what it can do, I say you wont be dissapointed. But, if you are hesitant and iffy on the purchase, perhaps wait and see whats around Androids corner. I love my nexus one and from what I see from competitive android smartphones and still think mine is the best.
-Cheers with your decision
Sell your G1, use the money towards the N1... Do it soon, buying the N1 via google won't last much longer, once retailers get ahold of it it'll cost considerably more.
The rumor/heresay is that the N2 will be out in Nov. Then just repeat the cycle of selling old, use money towards the new one.
Kind of like you're leasing the best phone at the moment
If you say n2 will come and will wait, and when the n2 comes out ou can wait for the n3. you can do two things.
Buy a new phone, and sell it after few months to buy a new one. if you sell it before a newer version comes out you can sell it almost the same price you bought it. put some extre $ and buy a new one. I do this > i had over 30 phones in my life > i'm 22 years now
or what you also can do is skip a generation. so if you buy n1 skip n2 and wait for n3 (for example). so you can use you don't have to switch phones that often.
I bought the N1 as my first smartphone and have been very happy with it. I would say it will last a while since Google demonstrated their new OS (Android 2.2) on it and also previewed the release after that on a N1. That gave me hope to know that it will work with the release of 2.2 and also the release after that. Whether they will continue to release the new OS for it after that is unknown, but there are always custom ROMs that could add functionality.
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I say buy the N1 if you like it. Yeah, there's no front-facing camera, gyroscope, or whatever else the next line of premium Android phones will all contain. It is still going to receive Google's updates first for at least another year. Also, as with the G1, the dev community is doing excellent work and should have no problem extending it's life even further beyond that. If the G1 is still going almost 2 years and numerous updates later, Nexus owners have nothing to worry about.
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Sell your G1, use the money towards the N1... Do it soon, buying the N1 via google won't last much longer, once retailers get ahold of it it'll cost considerably more.
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I don't think so. It will be aggressively priced once it hits retailers. Or may be bundled with some accessories.
Either act today, or wait 6 months. This market moves fast.
seriously this thread has been posted so many times before. just search. the nexus will be the flagship until next january for sure. it still has a long life left, so buy it and enjoy it. nexus two isnt even a rumor yet, and wouldnt be out till next year.
Motorola has a 2ghz phone hitting store before the end of the year, with 1080P vide out.
You're never gonna be "top of the line" for more than 6 months.
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I don't think so. It will be aggressively priced once it hits retailers. Or may be bundled with some accessories.
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I already see it listed at various other places for $650+.
Somehow, I doubt that will come down once buying straight from the "manufacturer" for "cheap" is no longer an option.
I got this Nexus One by trading my G1 and $125.
Am currently on T-Mobile - contract up in March 2010
Ive been getting quite a few offers for my Nexus.
- Two people on craigslist are asking 300-350.
My phone is literally 10/10 condition and comes w/
everything , casemate case.
You think I should sell it for 300-350 now?
Should I wait till March 2010 when my contract is up? or do you guys think it will drop in resale value way more by then.
also do you think 300-350 is fair if cash is given
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I got this Nexus One by trading my G1 and $125.
Am currently on T-Mobile - contract up in March 2010
Ive been getting quite a few offers for my Nexus.
- Two people on craigslist are asking 300-350.
My phone is literally 10/10 condition and comes w/
everything , casemate case.
You think I should sell it for 300-350 now?
Should I wait till March 2010 when my contract is up? or do you guys think it will drop in resale value way more by then.
also do you think 300-350 is fair if cash is given
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Do you need the money? Do you really want to sell it?
Only way I would sell my Nexus One is if I needed the money and I had another Nexus One already to replace it.
If you like the phone and don't need the money then why sell it?
Not a lot of better devices right now. Would hold on till contract ends or if something u like shows up. But it really depends on u'r needs: money, etc...
Practically all new androids are better than it. Choose wisely.
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stfwayne said:
I got this Nexus One by trading my G1 and $125.
Am currently on T-Mobile - contract up in March 2010
Ive been getting quite a few offers for my Nexus.
- Two people on craigslist are asking 300-350.
My phone is literally 10/10 condition and comes w/
everything , casemate case.
You think I should sell it for 300-350 now?
Should I wait till March 2010 when my contract is up? or do you guys think it will drop in resale value way more by then.
also do you think 300-350 is fair if cash is given
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I am in a similar position, been offerend 350CDN for my Nexus but there really aren't any other phones out there that offer anything substantial over it to sell it... I like the Galaxy S, but until it is officially on Froyo it seems to buggy and really only has the bigger screen as the biggest reason to upgrade. I'm holding off until there is a substantial reason to upgrade.
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Practically all new androids are better than it. Choose wisely.
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Please enlighten us of these "new androids"
I dunno guys, I love my Nexus too but I'd sell it if I could use an EVO or a Droid X on GSM I think. The screen pisses me off to end on the N1 the lack of accuracy, the effed up multitouch and the horrible performance of the screen in sunlight drive me crazy. This is an amazing phone but HTC had to go and screw up the whole package by choosing a ****ty screen. Coming from an iPhone 3GS I can tell you that this screen is by no means at par
Better than N1
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Gladly! New androids as in practically every android made after the Nexus One.
Verizon - Droid X, Droid 2, Droid Incredible, HTC Merge, Droid R2D2, & Samsung Fascinate
Sprint - Evo 4g
Tmobile - HD2, Samsung Vibrant (if you can stand touchwiz) & G2
And these are the phones that I can think of off the top of my head. If you want to check out the European phones: Desire, Desire Z, Desire HD.
So to reiterate, yes the Nexus One was a good phone, very nostalgic, set the tone for the new devices that came out. But with that being said, the new devices that came out are better than the Nexus One. So read up, pick one you like, and either sell the N1 or hold onto it for sentimental value.
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Gladly! New androids as in practically every android made after the Nexus One.
Verizon - Droid X, Droid 2, Droid Incredible, HTC Merge, Droid R2D2, & Samsung Fascinate
Sprint - Evo 4g
Tmobile - HD2, Samsung Vibrant (if you can stand touchwiz) & G2
And these are the phones that I can think of off the top of my head. If you want to check out the European phones: Desire, Desire Z, Desire HD.
So to reiterate, yes the Nexus One was a good phone, very nostalgic, set the tone for the new devices that came out. But with that being said, the new devices that came out are better than the Nexus One. So read up, pick one you like, and either sell the N1 or hold onto it for sentimental value.
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i don't really understand caring about wether or not you're on a contract. put the SIM in and use whatever phone. surely you're not considering LOCKING YOURSELF into another 2 or 3 year commitment for the sake of a $4-500 phone ?
as far as all those being better, the hardware specs are very similar. the carriers... oh man, CONTRACTS ! no thank you. i'll stick with the tmo pay-to-play non contract.
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i don't really understand caring about wether or not you're on a contract. put the SIM in and use whatever phone. surely you're not considering LOCKING YOURSELF into another 2 or 3 year commitment for the sake of a $4-500 phone ?
as far as all those being better, the hardware specs are very similar. the carriers... oh man, CONTRACTS ! no thank you. i'll stick with the tmo pay-to-play non contract.
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The no contract route is pretty cool. If there was a possibility of me leaving Tmobile, I'd go contract free. Since I know I'm not going anywhere, I apted to sign the contract.
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Yea. Before I paid Google 500+ I did my research about my nexus, and the math. Figured up over 2000+ dollars saved over two years using voip and Google voice, so I bought my nexus flat out and have been smiling since. Benchmark test wise I'm still over the Droid X and along with evolution I don't like the size. The g2 has 800 MHz =( and I don't use QWERTY or HDMI out. So a year after the purchase I would make it again today =)
N1 running psfreedom recovery and MIUI! sent via XDA app =D
All those phones mentioned have identical processors. Nothing running 1.3-1.5 ghz out yet. From what the news was saying is that towards the end of this year and begging of next we will have faster processors on smart phones.
I'd say hold off on selling your nexus or if you do, you aren't really getting anything better spec wise, maybe design is what you are looking for.
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I dunno guys, I love my Nexus too but I'd sell it if I could use an EVO or a Droid X on GSM I think. The screen pisses me off to end on the N1 the lack of accuracy, the effed up multitouch and the horrible performance of the screen in sunlight drive me crazy. This is an amazing phone but HTC had to go and screw up the whole package by choosing a ****ty screen. Coming from an iPhone 3GS I can tell you that this screen is by no means at par
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Agreed!
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Keep the Nexus !
If you are wanting to stay with a certain carrier, your Android choices can tend to become very limited. I've been with Tmobile for years, happy, not moving.
My phone choices.... I dont really see any phones offered yet as being worth
signing another two year contract for.
I mean nothing fantastically better that my Nexus.
Heres what I mean, two years ago I was on the original G1 prebuy.
The Nexus is very drastically better than the G1.
I just dont see the TMO phone thats drastically better than the N1.
And if you have a Nexus then you have TMO or AT&T and AT&T's Android phone selection is worse than TMO's.
I'm holding pat especially since the N1 gets the updates months before any other phone does.
MyTouch was supposed to get Froyo "soon", and months have gone by, still no update.
Its almost like TMO would rather just keep everyones attention on its once a month new phone release than update the older phones.
When I do get a new phone I will keep the N1 till I'm sure the new one is better.
I've yet to see that phone though.
^ very true.
What also worries me is that none of the announced phones that are due to be released in this Q of the year are a whole lot better than Nexus One.
But as someone else said, I love my N1 except for the screen. The screen pisses me off so much!!
The G2 and the new mytouch are good replacements for the N1 in my opinion. Granted I'm not too impressed with the new mytouch overall design, nevertheless, the specs are nice and the FFC is a plus.
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I'm curious - if you had no working handset at the moment, had to pay full price for a handset, and didn't want to buy who potentially might be someone else's trash off Ebay or Craigslist, would you pay $265 for a BRAND NEW Nexus One ?
I had one when they first came out, and then moved up to newer and "better" handsets, either brand new or used....
My latest, the G2, which was bought off Craigslist, fried after 2 weeks of having it. I've already talked to HTC, but then say I'm looking at being without a phone for 2-3 weeks before a replacement will arrive.
So, knowing everything that is out right now, and everything that is coming, would you pay $265 for a brand new Nexus One , or shell out $500+ for a "current" or soon to be released handset?
Nexus......other than the evolution 3d or sgs2 or even maybe iPhone 5.
Edit: actually....I will by the nexus. It get quick updates plus is very hackable. Also I will be saving.up for the nexus 3!
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N1 anyday ...
Nexus One everyday at that price!
Just bought my wife a G2 to replace her (submerged) MT4G.
I would've preferred to get her a Nexus (still like the N1 better than both of those). The only reason I didn't was because I didn't want her to have the same phone as me - that's one of the advantages of not having a phone from the fruit company...
Without hesitation! I can't see what any new device has to offer that i don't have already.
Biggest benefit I can see of the newer devices is FFC , more RAM, and Dual-Core CPUs...
I've been thinking about it though - other than a larger screen, the N1 did everything I wanted it to do. Only complaint I had was when I held the phone to my face with my right shoulder, because the 2nd mic on the back was covered by my shoulder, everyone I talked to said I sounded really muffled.
its a pretty hard deal to pass up getting a new nexus one at 250 dollars. you cant go wrong if you do get it. newer phones like the galaxy s2 have better gaming. but really i'd get the n1 again today if i had to.
Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
It's not that this phone is cheap, it's that unlocked phones are CRAZY overpriced.
There is no catch, Google wants to get consumers away from carrier control and push their Android ecosystem. Win/win for them.
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Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.
They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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Probably pushing stock android and android development. Google isn't looking to get a profit on the phone, but they are looking to get a profit on what you do with the phone (aka: search).
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They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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That's very interesting Daniel. It kind of sounds like how Sony sold the ps3 at a much lower price than it should be sold. They were losing money to push blu ray so maybe google are selling a really "affordable" High end phone to push android that one step further than iPhone.
Its Google flexing a little, its all about market share so break even is fine. Im aliitle concerned about when motorola takes the lead, though that could be a year or two away. no complaints if they want to give me a break. Im on t-Mobile too so no big deal LTE.
The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
/shrug
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Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.
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I suppose the glass breaking could be an issue but then again I treat my phones like the crown jewels so I doubt that would be a huge problem for me. Also being in the UK on three I get decent HSPA speeds so the lack of LTE or 4G is absolutely irrelevant to me and most of the UK. The faster phones processors are getting the faster web browsing is with 3g anyway so I'm not fussed for 4g at the moment.
Right, they want Android everywhere and this is how Android wins eventually..not to mention it costs them squat per phone to build..
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So it's a marketing ploy to really push android. I'm fine with that As long as they weren't sacrificing any quality with the phone. This is surely exciting. I hope I can get one as soon as possible. I'm a huge phone geek (well that's obvious being on XDA as we all are) and I've never seen anyone with a Nexus device in the UK so I think it will be great If people in the UK will start getting them. I've always been with sense so vanilla will be a completely new experience.
I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise
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I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise
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haha I'm so glad no one has said it. It barely matters to anyone outside of the US!
As great as this price is to get Android out into the world more, I just have a feeling that since the phone is only being sold on the play store for the (majority of people to buy) I am concerned that if they dont go all out on commercials (which they should of started with already IMO) then I have a feeling that they wont get many new people buying the phone.
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Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Not sure there's a catch. I don't like the glass back. Seems like they're copying Apple. I also don't ;like how you can't remove the battery. They wear out after a while.
I hope hope hope that they improved the camera. When the Galaxy Nexus was released, it was promised that it took pictures instantly. This was an improvement from my older Androids which used to take 2-5 seconds to focus and snap a pic. However, the camera on the Galaxy Nexus was weak as hell. Grainy and blurry in low light and only 5 MP..
Most likely, Google is making a limited profit with this device because they just want to get it out there.
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The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
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That's what I'm thinking. I'm sure the bulk of their profit from Android is based on the play store. Lower the cost of phones, get them in to the hands of more people, and in turn the people buy more apps from the play store. There's their profit:thumbup:
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Cost for making an iPhone 5 is $389.XX. Read it in the Time magazine. This may answer the question.
Its not marketing.. its just how they do money. Google is the second most profitable company in the world. And now of that was accomplished by selling hardware. Selling hardware at cost that boosts their income method is the best way to stay in "what they best". Plus it has some perks like happy customers, injected competition and market confidence.
On the other side of the medal, you have apple, the most profitable company in the world, that makes their money on high margin.
Both ways are legit ways to make money, but me, personally I prefer the half priced one
No, catch. Like what others have posted Google wants people using their ecosystem.
I think its great they are pricing it at cost probably, I'm sure there is profit but very little. I'm tiredof carriers and manufacturers raping customers with their crazy markups.
I've never had my phone battery go bad on me. The battery is easily accessible via 2 screws on bottom of phone, no biggie.
LTE is not really a deal breaker for me, I'm in las Vegas and get 14mbps on T-mobiles faux G.
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As most(if not all) of us watch google i/o, google released the galaxy s4 with stock android, as well as "prompt" future updates. What do you guys think this means for the future of nexus do you think companies will continue to build phones for google when they can just appeal to everyone and relase a version of their flagship with stock android?
I guess I never really thought about it yet. That's a good point though. I just got into the Nexus family around a month and a half ago and I already feel at home. If there is not a future for Nexus devices, I will be extremely sad. Yeah, you still get pure Android, plus an unlocked bootloader, but there's just something about having a Nexus. I guess I just feel unique having it, you know? I'm not just another guy with a Galaxy S phone. Plus, having a Nexus phone kind of shows that you're a power user/developer. I dunno...I just really love my Nexus 4 and want to be able to buy the next one when I'm ready.
That all said, it makes perfect sense. I'm pretty sure Google sells the Nexus at a loss. And if that's not enough, you see threads on here all the time with people finding the smallest reasons for getting an RMA, reasons that aren't even valid but Google fulfills them anyway. Not only that, but people will brick their Nexus cuz they're stupid and come here to ask what they can do to RMA. They do this when it was CLEARLY their fault for bricking it and they think Google should have to cover the cost for a new one because they (the person) flashed a ROM/kernel for a different phone. If I were Google, I would probably be looking at this option, sadly.
the S4 isnt the only non nexus that has been released in the past with pure android, nor will it be the last. htc has released stock android phones before, so has lg. sony has even been working with aosp for the xperia http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/23/so...n-source-project-for-the-xperia-z-smartphone/
Here's the deal Nexus gives you the most bang for your buck. No one else gives you that. The N4 is half the price of the S4. The next Nexus phone will be a power house of hardware for a bargain.
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the S4 isnt the only non nexus that has been released in the past with pure android, nor will it be the last. htc has released stock android phones before, so has lg. sony has even been working with aosp for the xperia http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/23/so...n-source-project-for-the-xperia-z-smartphone/
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This, I remember the biggest reason I bought my G2 was due to stock Android. It might not have been AOSP, but was close enough. I kept it running until I got my Nexus, and it was even running 4.2.
The Nexus lines future will always be as bright as the Sun!
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The Nexus lines future will always be as bright as the Sun!
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lol i hope your right about that one. I just don't want it to be to the point that nexus users get the crap specs from an OEM that is more worried about their flagship. Why should they go all out on a nexus device when they can provide each type of consumer what they want...a version with either their skinned version of android or pure android. Just playing devil's advocate lol...
Simple there contracted to. If you don't fulfill your contract you don't get paid. To be honest I almost bought a S3 cuz I didn't do much research before buying a phone. The nexus is the best kept secret from none rooters, flashers, etc. Thank god I do tons of research before buying anything and troll xda
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Galaxy S4 is not the first device reintroduced in the i/o with stock android, back in 2011 or 2010 google introduced Galaxy Tab 10.1 with stock honeycomb in it.
And for AOSP support, not every device shipped with vanilla android in it get an AOSP support.
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I don't get the reaction to Samsung's Google edition S4. It isn't a Nexus and shouldn't be compared with a Nexus. The Nexus product line is first and foremost designed by Google then built by their respective manufacturers. The S4 doesn't even follow the button layout for Android! This Google edition S4 is just purely software and since I assume that Samsung will be the ones responsible for maintaining the software, it'll still be second class compared to the Nexus line when it comes to the latest and greatest Android version.
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I don't get the reaction to Samsung's Google edition S4. It isn't a Nexus and shouldn't be compared with a Nexus. The Nexus product line is first and foremost designed by Google then built by their respective manufacturers. The S4 doesn't even follow the button layout for Android! This Google edition S4 is just purely software and since I assume that Samsung will be the ones responsible for maintaining the software, it'll still be second class compared to the Nexus line when it comes to the latest and greatest Android version.
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Nexus 4 is based on LG Optimug G. It is almost like a little redesigned Optimus G with Google's software. SGS4 Google Edition isn't redesigned, but also got Google's software. It will be sold through Play Store, it was revealed on Google I/O by Hugo Barra and it was said that it will get updates at the same time as other Google's devices. So like it or not, SGS4 Google edition could be easily called Nexus 5. I guess they didn't want to launch new Nexus only a few months after LG Nexus 4 became widely available.
Nexus 4 is very good phone, the best for its price, but got some problems - thermal throttling, cracked glass on back, which isn't cheap to replace due to internals on backcover, limited internal space and lack of SD cards, camera isn't very good. Other than that, it is very good phone. SGS4 got great hardware, but software is its weak point and I didn't want to get another Galaxy S phone because of that. But now SGS4 Google Edition is very tempting, because finally great hardware will get great software + fast updates.
The Galaxy S4 Google Edition is not a Nexus device, as much as Samsung fanboys would believe it is.
Apart from Google calling it the Nexus S4, planning to update it timely and selling it through the play store.
I'm sure Google has nice plans for their Nexus series. Or will stop making them. Which I highly doubt! Hope.
Also I don't know how anyone could get themselves to believe they sell a product at a loss.
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Google/Android have a confusing agenda of where they want to go with the Android platform.
I guess their agenda is to just throw the kitchen sink at everyone and everything and hope to conquer the mobile platform that way.
I thought they had a certain way they were going to do the "Nexus" line.
Nexus is "pure google"
"Prompt" updates
"state of the art" hardware (with horrible camera..ha ha)
affordable pricing
The Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4 (especially with the price reduction of the original GNex to $399 than $350).
I personally do not think the pure Galaxy S4 will be a big seller in the USA. Most Americans are on family plans with post paid services like ATT or Verizon.
Paying full $650 price for a smartphone only makes sense if you go prepaid and have 1-2 lines. Most Americans on post paid have 4-5 lines where subsidized phones make sense.
No one remembers the original iPhone was $499/599. It was not a big seller except for techies or people who have too much money. When Apple dropped the price to $399 it boosted sales quickly.
There is still plenty of money to be made by selling phones below $400. Most top of the line smartphone cost $200-250 to make. So profit margin is still there.
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I'm sure Google has nice plans for their Nexus series. Or will stop making them. Which I highly doubt! Hope.
Also I don't know how anyone could get themselves to believe they sell a product at a loss.
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I know. It costs $200-250 to make a smartphone with high end specs. Even accounting for advertising costs. Their is still $50-100 profit to spare.
I think Google purposely kept the 8GB/16GB with no SD to secure profits.
I might have missed something but does anyone else think that the fact Google bought Motorola mobility means they are going to eventually stop dependence on other phone manufacturers? It sucks to build awesome software and have to rely on other companies to put it on. Then said company delays in putting updated software on devices which in turn makes people upset they got android in the first place.
I know kinda out there but i can kinda see how this would work.
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Also I don't know how anyone could get themselves to believe they sell a product at a loss.
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Because they probably do. Let's break it down. It'll be quite a journey, so pack a lunch.
The cost of materials alone cost, let's say, $250. That's only $50-$100 "profit" per unit. Considering how many units they sell, that's still a large amount of money, right? Well, that $250/unit cost doesn't cover labor (that I know of, I could be wrong; in which case disregard this point, there are plenty more). They have to pay the people to assemble the phones. Then they have to pay to ship it over-seas to get it to the U.S. Don't quote me here, but I think companies have to pay taxes on commercially-imported things. You know the U.S. government want their cut. Even if that's not true, don't worry; there are plenty of other things to eat that $50 up.
Research and Development is probably the biggest cost of any small electronics device. You have to pay those engineers to design your phone with the hardware you want and make it the size you want. I'm no pro or anything, but I'm pretty sure R&D has beta-testing of the hardware from the prototype all the way to the finished product. That's hardware that will never see light of day.
I take that back about R&D being the most costly thing about making electronics. Let's touch on the point I made of people RMA'ing. When it's legitimate, it costs the company a ridiculous amount of money. I don't even know what they do with the phones that are RMA'd, but I don't see them selling refurbished phones on the Play store. That's money down the drain. And that's when it's legitimate. Think about those guys that RMA because they are idiots and flashed the wrong kernel to the phone. Google still fulfills those RMA's! They lose so much doing this, it boggles my mind.
Now let's look at why. Why would Google knowingly sell devices at a loss? It isn't exactly the best business practice to sell things and lose money on them. First, let's look at the developers. This phone is a "developers" phone. If you're developing for Android, you are probably using a Nexus to test your app and tweak it. When you're done developing your app, what do you do? Publish it in the Play store. All these "app stores" you see everywhere are huge cash cows, and they cost almost nothing to keep going. Throw an app store up, shave a little off the top of every purchase, and kick back while the money flows in. Secondly, and this is true for every company that sells anything, there is the reputation of the company/product. You make a solid phone and sell it for pretty cheap, you get happy customers. Happy customers tend to also be returning customers. I know people that buy iPhones simply because it's called "iPhone", and has the apple on the back of it. That's purely the reputation of the phone. They were happy with their previous phones, so they simply go to the updated version of it when they need to buy another one. I picked on iPhones because it's probably the most widespread example of this, plus it has to do with a phone, which is what we're talking about.
The nexus line is Googles way of thanking developers and phone enthusiasts, they are ones that buy the phone
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Because they probably do. Let's break it down. It'll be quite a journey, so pack a lunch.
The cost of materials alone cost, let's say, $250. That's only $50-$100 "profit" per unit. Considering how many units they sell, that's still a large amount of money, right? Well, that $250/unit cost doesn't cover labor (that I know of, I could be wrong; in which case disregard this point, there are plenty more). They have to pay the people to assemble the phones. Then they have to pay to ship it over-seas to get it to the U.S. Don't quote me here, but I think companies have to pay taxes on commercially-imported things. You know the U.S. government want their cut. Even if that's not true, don't worry; there are plenty of other things to eat that $50 up.
Research and Development is probably the biggest cost of any small electronics device. You have to pay those engineers to design your phone with the hardware you want and make it the size you want. I'm no pro or anything, but I'm pretty sure R&D has beta-testing of the hardware from the prototype all the way to the finished product. That's hardware that will never see light of day.
I take that back about R&D being the most costly thing about making electronics. Let's touch on the point I made of people RMA'ing. When it's legitimate, it costs the company a ridiculous amount of money. I don't even know what they do with the phones that are RMA'd, but I don't see them selling refurbished phones on the Play store. That's money down the drain. And that's when it's legitimate. Think about those guys that RMA because they are idiots and flashed the wrong kernel to the phone. Google still fulfills those RMA's! They lose so much doing this, it boggles my mind.
Now let's look at why. Why would Google knowingly sell devices at a loss? It isn't exactly the best business practice to sell things and lose money on them. First, let's look at the developers. This phone is a "developers" phone. If you're developing for Android, you are probably using a Nexus to test your app and tweak it. When you're done developing your app, what do you do? Publish it in the Play store. All these "app stores" you see everywhere are huge cash cows, and they cost almost nothing to keep going. Throw an app store up, shave a little off the top of every purchase, and kick back while the money flows in. Secondly, and this is true for every company that sells anything, there is the reputation of the company/product. You make a solid phone and sell it for pretty cheap, you get happy customers. Happy customers tend to also be returning customers. I know people that buy iPhones simply because it's called "iPhone", and has the apple on the back of it. That's purely the reputation of the phone. They were happy with their previous phones, so they simply go to the updated version of it when they need to buy another one. I picked on iPhones because it's probably the most widespread example of this, plus it has to do with a phone, which is what we're talking about.
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R&D is done by the contractor, which I'm sure is already spent by the contractor since they build phones, the people manufacturing the phones are in sweat shop conditions so I don't think there paid much. My family does a lot of over seas manufacturing and you would be surprised at how much it really cost
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The nexus line is Googles way of thanking developers and phone enthusiasts, they are ones that buy the phone
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R&D is done by the contractor, which I'm sure is already spent by the contractor since they build phones, the people manufacturing the phones are in sweat shop conditions so I don't think there paid much. My family does a lot of over seas manufacturing and you would be surprised at how much it really cost
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Not really. It's a consumer device in the same arena as the Galaxy series, however Google has failed miserably at advertising and pushing their product due in part to poor management. The same corporate structure that gives rise to things like AOSP is not the ideal format for selling items across multiple countries and cultures. They still cannot definitively say what the end goal is with the Nexus line. If they're trying to steer people into Google services then they need to figure out how to advertise and sell, which in this country means getting in bed with the carriers, and that will not change no matter how much these forums boast about prepaid plans. That doesn't even begin to get into the area of "open source" and how no one outside of this community gives a damn.
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