As most(if not all) of us watch google i/o, google released the galaxy s4 with stock android, as well as "prompt" future updates. What do you guys think this means for the future of nexus do you think companies will continue to build phones for google when they can just appeal to everyone and relase a version of their flagship with stock android?
I guess I never really thought about it yet. That's a good point though. I just got into the Nexus family around a month and a half ago and I already feel at home. If there is not a future for Nexus devices, I will be extremely sad. Yeah, you still get pure Android, plus an unlocked bootloader, but there's just something about having a Nexus. I guess I just feel unique having it, you know? I'm not just another guy with a Galaxy S phone. Plus, having a Nexus phone kind of shows that you're a power user/developer. I dunno...I just really love my Nexus 4 and want to be able to buy the next one when I'm ready.
That all said, it makes perfect sense. I'm pretty sure Google sells the Nexus at a loss. And if that's not enough, you see threads on here all the time with people finding the smallest reasons for getting an RMA, reasons that aren't even valid but Google fulfills them anyway. Not only that, but people will brick their Nexus cuz they're stupid and come here to ask what they can do to RMA. They do this when it was CLEARLY their fault for bricking it and they think Google should have to cover the cost for a new one because they (the person) flashed a ROM/kernel for a different phone. If I were Google, I would probably be looking at this option, sadly.
the S4 isnt the only non nexus that has been released in the past with pure android, nor will it be the last. htc has released stock android phones before, so has lg. sony has even been working with aosp for the xperia http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/23/so...n-source-project-for-the-xperia-z-smartphone/
Here's the deal Nexus gives you the most bang for your buck. No one else gives you that. The N4 is half the price of the S4. The next Nexus phone will be a power house of hardware for a bargain.
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the S4 isnt the only non nexus that has been released in the past with pure android, nor will it be the last. htc has released stock android phones before, so has lg. sony has even been working with aosp for the xperia http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/23/so...n-source-project-for-the-xperia-z-smartphone/
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This, I remember the biggest reason I bought my G2 was due to stock Android. It might not have been AOSP, but was close enough. I kept it running until I got my Nexus, and it was even running 4.2.
The Nexus lines future will always be as bright as the Sun!
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The Nexus lines future will always be as bright as the Sun!
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lol i hope your right about that one. I just don't want it to be to the point that nexus users get the crap specs from an OEM that is more worried about their flagship. Why should they go all out on a nexus device when they can provide each type of consumer what they want...a version with either their skinned version of android or pure android. Just playing devil's advocate lol...
Simple there contracted to. If you don't fulfill your contract you don't get paid. To be honest I almost bought a S3 cuz I didn't do much research before buying a phone. The nexus is the best kept secret from none rooters, flashers, etc. Thank god I do tons of research before buying anything and troll xda
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Galaxy S4 is not the first device reintroduced in the i/o with stock android, back in 2011 or 2010 google introduced Galaxy Tab 10.1 with stock honeycomb in it.
And for AOSP support, not every device shipped with vanilla android in it get an AOSP support.
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I don't get the reaction to Samsung's Google edition S4. It isn't a Nexus and shouldn't be compared with a Nexus. The Nexus product line is first and foremost designed by Google then built by their respective manufacturers. The S4 doesn't even follow the button layout for Android! This Google edition S4 is just purely software and since I assume that Samsung will be the ones responsible for maintaining the software, it'll still be second class compared to the Nexus line when it comes to the latest and greatest Android version.
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I don't get the reaction to Samsung's Google edition S4. It isn't a Nexus and shouldn't be compared with a Nexus. The Nexus product line is first and foremost designed by Google then built by their respective manufacturers. The S4 doesn't even follow the button layout for Android! This Google edition S4 is just purely software and since I assume that Samsung will be the ones responsible for maintaining the software, it'll still be second class compared to the Nexus line when it comes to the latest and greatest Android version.
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Nexus 4 is based on LG Optimug G. It is almost like a little redesigned Optimus G with Google's software. SGS4 Google Edition isn't redesigned, but also got Google's software. It will be sold through Play Store, it was revealed on Google I/O by Hugo Barra and it was said that it will get updates at the same time as other Google's devices. So like it or not, SGS4 Google edition could be easily called Nexus 5. I guess they didn't want to launch new Nexus only a few months after LG Nexus 4 became widely available.
Nexus 4 is very good phone, the best for its price, but got some problems - thermal throttling, cracked glass on back, which isn't cheap to replace due to internals on backcover, limited internal space and lack of SD cards, camera isn't very good. Other than that, it is very good phone. SGS4 got great hardware, but software is its weak point and I didn't want to get another Galaxy S phone because of that. But now SGS4 Google Edition is very tempting, because finally great hardware will get great software + fast updates.
The Galaxy S4 Google Edition is not a Nexus device, as much as Samsung fanboys would believe it is.
Apart from Google calling it the Nexus S4, planning to update it timely and selling it through the play store.
I'm sure Google has nice plans for their Nexus series. Or will stop making them. Which I highly doubt! Hope.
Also I don't know how anyone could get themselves to believe they sell a product at a loss.
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Google/Android have a confusing agenda of where they want to go with the Android platform.
I guess their agenda is to just throw the kitchen sink at everyone and everything and hope to conquer the mobile platform that way.
I thought they had a certain way they were going to do the "Nexus" line.
Nexus is "pure google"
"Prompt" updates
"state of the art" hardware (with horrible camera..ha ha)
affordable pricing
The Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4 (especially with the price reduction of the original GNex to $399 than $350).
I personally do not think the pure Galaxy S4 will be a big seller in the USA. Most Americans are on family plans with post paid services like ATT or Verizon.
Paying full $650 price for a smartphone only makes sense if you go prepaid and have 1-2 lines. Most Americans on post paid have 4-5 lines where subsidized phones make sense.
No one remembers the original iPhone was $499/599. It was not a big seller except for techies or people who have too much money. When Apple dropped the price to $399 it boosted sales quickly.
There is still plenty of money to be made by selling phones below $400. Most top of the line smartphone cost $200-250 to make. So profit margin is still there.
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I'm sure Google has nice plans for their Nexus series. Or will stop making them. Which I highly doubt! Hope.
Also I don't know how anyone could get themselves to believe they sell a product at a loss.
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I know. It costs $200-250 to make a smartphone with high end specs. Even accounting for advertising costs. Their is still $50-100 profit to spare.
I think Google purposely kept the 8GB/16GB with no SD to secure profits.
I might have missed something but does anyone else think that the fact Google bought Motorola mobility means they are going to eventually stop dependence on other phone manufacturers? It sucks to build awesome software and have to rely on other companies to put it on. Then said company delays in putting updated software on devices which in turn makes people upset they got android in the first place.
I know kinda out there but i can kinda see how this would work.
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Because they probably do. Let's break it down. It'll be quite a journey, so pack a lunch.
The cost of materials alone cost, let's say, $250. That's only $50-$100 "profit" per unit. Considering how many units they sell, that's still a large amount of money, right? Well, that $250/unit cost doesn't cover labor (that I know of, I could be wrong; in which case disregard this point, there are plenty more). They have to pay the people to assemble the phones. Then they have to pay to ship it over-seas to get it to the U.S. Don't quote me here, but I think companies have to pay taxes on commercially-imported things. You know the U.S. government want their cut. Even if that's not true, don't worry; there are plenty of other things to eat that $50 up.
Research and Development is probably the biggest cost of any small electronics device. You have to pay those engineers to design your phone with the hardware you want and make it the size you want. I'm no pro or anything, but I'm pretty sure R&D has beta-testing of the hardware from the prototype all the way to the finished product. That's hardware that will never see light of day.
I take that back about R&D being the most costly thing about making electronics. Let's touch on the point I made of people RMA'ing. When it's legitimate, it costs the company a ridiculous amount of money. I don't even know what they do with the phones that are RMA'd, but I don't see them selling refurbished phones on the Play store. That's money down the drain. And that's when it's legitimate. Think about those guys that RMA because they are idiots and flashed the wrong kernel to the phone. Google still fulfills those RMA's! They lose so much doing this, it boggles my mind.
Now let's look at why. Why would Google knowingly sell devices at a loss? It isn't exactly the best business practice to sell things and lose money on them. First, let's look at the developers. This phone is a "developers" phone. If you're developing for Android, you are probably using a Nexus to test your app and tweak it. When you're done developing your app, what do you do? Publish it in the Play store. All these "app stores" you see everywhere are huge cash cows, and they cost almost nothing to keep going. Throw an app store up, shave a little off the top of every purchase, and kick back while the money flows in. Secondly, and this is true for every company that sells anything, there is the reputation of the company/product. You make a solid phone and sell it for pretty cheap, you get happy customers. Happy customers tend to also be returning customers. I know people that buy iPhones simply because it's called "iPhone", and has the apple on the back of it. That's purely the reputation of the phone. They were happy with their previous phones, so they simply go to the updated version of it when they need to buy another one. I picked on iPhones because it's probably the most widespread example of this, plus it has to do with a phone, which is what we're talking about.
The nexus line is Googles way of thanking developers and phone enthusiasts, they are ones that buy the phone
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Because they probably do. Let's break it down. It'll be quite a journey, so pack a lunch.
The cost of materials alone cost, let's say, $250. That's only $50-$100 "profit" per unit. Considering how many units they sell, that's still a large amount of money, right? Well, that $250/unit cost doesn't cover labor (that I know of, I could be wrong; in which case disregard this point, there are plenty more). They have to pay the people to assemble the phones. Then they have to pay to ship it over-seas to get it to the U.S. Don't quote me here, but I think companies have to pay taxes on commercially-imported things. You know the U.S. government want their cut. Even if that's not true, don't worry; there are plenty of other things to eat that $50 up.
Research and Development is probably the biggest cost of any small electronics device. You have to pay those engineers to design your phone with the hardware you want and make it the size you want. I'm no pro or anything, but I'm pretty sure R&D has beta-testing of the hardware from the prototype all the way to the finished product. That's hardware that will never see light of day.
I take that back about R&D being the most costly thing about making electronics. Let's touch on the point I made of people RMA'ing. When it's legitimate, it costs the company a ridiculous amount of money. I don't even know what they do with the phones that are RMA'd, but I don't see them selling refurbished phones on the Play store. That's money down the drain. And that's when it's legitimate. Think about those guys that RMA because they are idiots and flashed the wrong kernel to the phone. Google still fulfills those RMA's! They lose so much doing this, it boggles my mind.
Now let's look at why. Why would Google knowingly sell devices at a loss? It isn't exactly the best business practice to sell things and lose money on them. First, let's look at the developers. This phone is a "developers" phone. If you're developing for Android, you are probably using a Nexus to test your app and tweak it. When you're done developing your app, what do you do? Publish it in the Play store. All these "app stores" you see everywhere are huge cash cows, and they cost almost nothing to keep going. Throw an app store up, shave a little off the top of every purchase, and kick back while the money flows in. Secondly, and this is true for every company that sells anything, there is the reputation of the company/product. You make a solid phone and sell it for pretty cheap, you get happy customers. Happy customers tend to also be returning customers. I know people that buy iPhones simply because it's called "iPhone", and has the apple on the back of it. That's purely the reputation of the phone. They were happy with their previous phones, so they simply go to the updated version of it when they need to buy another one. I picked on iPhones because it's probably the most widespread example of this, plus it has to do with a phone, which is what we're talking about.
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R&D is done by the contractor, which I'm sure is already spent by the contractor since they build phones, the people manufacturing the phones are in sweat shop conditions so I don't think there paid much. My family does a lot of over seas manufacturing and you would be surprised at how much it really cost
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The nexus line is Googles way of thanking developers and phone enthusiasts, they are ones that buy the phone
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R&D is done by the contractor, which I'm sure is already spent by the contractor since they build phones, the people manufacturing the phones are in sweat shop conditions so I don't think there paid much. My family does a lot of over seas manufacturing and you would be surprised at how much it really cost
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Not really. It's a consumer device in the same arena as the Galaxy series, however Google has failed miserably at advertising and pushing their product due in part to poor management. The same corporate structure that gives rise to things like AOSP is not the ideal format for selling items across multiple countries and cultures. They still cannot definitively say what the end goal is with the Nexus line. If they're trying to steer people into Google services then they need to figure out how to advertise and sell, which in this country means getting in bed with the carriers, and that will not change no matter how much these forums boast about prepaid plans. That doesn't even begin to get into the area of "open source" and how no one outside of this community gives a damn.
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Google and LG most likely make NO money from selling the Nexus 4 at the $299 pricepoint. The Nexus 4 is identical to the Optimus G, which is suppose to be LG's cash cow. Same proc, same screen. Tbe build actually looks nicer on the Nexus 4. The camera is a wash since the 13MP one sucks and the 8MP is identical on both. So literally the only difference is whether you want LTE or not. Is LTE (and a subjectively much uglier design) worth $200+ price premium for the Optimus G? The Nexus 4 also has pure Android which is also a big plus, So why is LG releasing the (much better) Nexus 4 at a no-profit price and undercutting their cash cow the Optimus G? They are barely making squat right now in the mobile phone space. This makes no business sense.
I'm pretty sure LG just builds the phone and gets paid for it, Google probably will sell it close to what they paid to get it built. So LG isn't losing money, Google is just breaking even or maybe barely losing.
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Improving their brand image while simultaneously getting their brand name out there?
While not entirely the same, you could argue that with the Galaxy Nexus, it was fighting with the S2 and a little bit of the S3.
Yet Samsung managed to really make their push during that time period. People have tons of horror stories when it comes to LG. If they play their cards right with these devices, they'll have a much brighter future.
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The Xiaomi Mi2 will also be selling at a loss ($310 vs a cost of $370), and has pretty much identical specs as the Nexus 4. I think they can manage to break even overall, especially with most sales going to the 16 GB version.
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I'm pretty sure LG just builds the phone and gets paid for it, Google probably will sell it close to what they paid to get it built. So LG isn't losing money, Google is just breaking even or maybe barely losing.
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Google pays for it, and then they sell it to us with expensive taxes via Google Play :B
I'm assuming LG developed the phone for a flat contract price to Google.
Google is likely making little to nothing on selling the price.
They are likely straight up buying marketshare for android and enticing people to buy into their ecosystem while they make money off apps, movies, tv shows, music, and ads.
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I'm assuming LG developed the phone for a flat contract price to Google.
Google is likely making little to nothing on selling the price.
They are likely straight up buying marketshare for android and enticing people to buy into their ecosystem while they make money off apps, movies, tv shows, music, and ads.
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They sure are!
I will mostly likely be dropping the iPhone ecosystem for Android because of the Nexus 4 come November 13th. Eventually I will also convince others who rely on my smartphone knowledge on what to buy to get the Nexus 4. So it has done its job even if Google isn't making a profit off of the hardware. They will eventually make profit off of me from the Google Play content I (and many others I convince) purchase.
Excellent post datwunkid :good:
I think Google is taking the hit and selling it close to cost. You also have to factor in that the retail cost of some phones have carrier markup added in as well so that they can make some extra $$$ off people buying off contract. They're probably selling it close to cost and the Nexus line isn't really a big seller to begin with so nobody's really losing a boatload of money here. LG gets to have their name attached to what is looking to be an incredible Android phone (and DEAD SEXY!!!) which will get them back into the good graces of some of the Android fans out there. Also remember Google is an ad company - selling phones for profit isn't where they're making the lion's share of their money and while I'm sure they care somewhat about how well this device does, it'll barely have any effect on their bottom line.
Let's not kid ourselves. Google is definitely making money here. I know in the retail market, mark-up is routinely 1000%. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper. Anybody that's had any experience in buying mass quantities knows that Google is making money.
When you see service providers selling phones out of contract for $600-$800, your seeing first hand the companies rape/screw the general public like they do best. Even when you buy a phone for a subsidized price from one of the big four, do you really think that are not still making money off the sale of the unit? Don't kid yourself...
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Let's not kid ourselves. Google is definitely making money here. I know in the retail market, mark-up is routinely 1000%. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper. Anybody that's had any experience in buying mass quantities knows that Google is making money.
When you see service providers selling phones out of contract for $600-$800, your seeing first hand the companies rape/screw the general public like they do best. Even when you buy a phone for a subsidized price from one of the big four, do you really think that are not still making money off the sale of the unit? Don't kid yourself...
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You ever look at any tear downs of phones? The parts on this phone are probably worth two hundred or so dollars, plus assembly, warranty claims, marketing. There will be a thin margin, but it will be there. I don't think many carriers will pick up the phone, so it will only really appeal to people who avoid contracts, anyway.
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It makes sense for LG to do it at little to no profit because releasing the phone would help their market and image in the long run if the phone is a success. Google is baking on the consumers to buy apps, books, music, and magazines from their store.
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I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper.
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Have you been drinking tonight by any chance? Your post has me curious :laugh:
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You ever look at any tear downs of phones? The parts on this phone are probably worth two hundred or so dollars, plus assembly, warranty claims, marketing. There will be a thin margin, but it will be there. I don't think many carriers will pick up the phone, so it will only really appeal to people who avoid contracts, anyway.
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Think of it this way. When it comes to building a pc, you can't build one as cheap as you can buy one from one of the big boys. Plain and simple, they buy parts by the 1000's. These parts are heavily discounted at a contracted, negotiated price when bought this way.
I can assure that NO company is going to put forth the effort for a small profit margin. That's just how the corporate world works. If it doesn't make good/excellent profits, it's simply not worth the time or effort.
y would you complain about something like this though. the price is a good thing :good:
No complaining here! I'm totally stoked about it's price point. Best bang for the buck bar-none in my book! Can't wait to order...
I can assure that NO company is going to put forth the effort for a small profit margin. That's just how the corporate world works. If it doesn't make good/excellent profits, it's simply not worth the time or effort.
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Still I disagree about $50, there are actual documented break down of iPhone 4S hardware cost, is around $180, though the 5 is cheaper. Give the chinese slaves a break.
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Well here is the news Google partnered with lg because of the price as they are the only one who agreed to make phone at this price level. Its also get back lg to the market, despite their products are cool but their developers are sucks, lazy people wouldnt work on old devices to bring latest os so people like me promised won't buy lg product ever again, other company like Sony and Samsung refused Google to make smartphone with this spec for this price. But who cares about the partner as long as Google controls the os. I'm getting this as soon as it goes live for sale.
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Maybe Samsung doesn't want to create any more nexus phone just because of this. Their Galaxy S line and Note line will be ruined.
The same thing happens with the nexus 10, which is cheaper and FAR more specwise than note 10.1
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I think Google is taking the hit and selling it close to cost.
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The iPhone 5 costs about 200$ (16gb I think). I don't think the Nexus will cost much more. So, Google will get money out of this
Google was earning money even with the 16gb a 249$
I you think it costs them that money to make a phone you are mistaken.
I have seen retail buy in prices for handsets in bulk, and those would raise your eye brows!
so manufacturing prices would be much less.
I was talking to one of my buddies here at work who is also an Android Freak like myself and we were discussing about how Google and LG can sell such a device packing what it does for $299 or $349.
It's seems like it has really beautiful build quality also, while Samsung sells a plastic dual core S3 with half the RAM, lower resolution screen for double the price!
Don't get me wrong, I am both happy and sad that the phone is so damn cheap. Glad because it is so dirt cheap that I can buy it as a backup phone to my Note 2 and just not worry about it falling and breaking or whatever. Replacing just the LCD on my Note 2 would probably pay for the whole Nexus 4!
Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
I know this post seems a bit ridiculous, but that's something that is bugging me a little about the device. What do you guys think? A little something inside kinda wish Google priced this device similar to the Galaxy Nexus. I think it would have been more special to me. Am I crazy?
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Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks.
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Just because people are excited, you're assuming they're 13? Right...
... and imo, the price does not make it any less exclusive.
You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
In any case, mainstream smartphones, like all technology, will always be getting less exclusive. If exclusivity is of import, the Tag Heuer Android phones look quite sharp, but probably will be behind on the OS curve...
Setting aside the ridiculousness of caring about exclusivity, your work colleagues likely got sticker-shock because they don't know much about the cellphone market. I'm sure they don't think of the iPhone as an "exclusive" device, and yet it's in the same range as the Note 2 off-contract. The Nexus 4 may not be a monetarily exclusive device, but it's still going to have limited sales due to the number of people who are informed enough about their options to pick one up.
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You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
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Front-to-front. The back's the best-looking part, after all; and the part that displays the ever-important logos.
You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.
You say less exclusive... I say more support.
How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).
No, it makes it lighter on my wallet. I don't care how many other people have it as long as I do.
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I don't agree.
[13 yr old comment]If you want to feel special, maybe get it from the TMo store or import it. [/13 yr old comment]
The price is being subsidized. Just making it easier to reach more people. This way el goog can make even more money with mobile ad revenue.
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You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.
If having exclusivity means paying $1000 dollars, I'll take a less exclusive phone any day for $350
You think $500+ phones are exclusive? You'll find more Note 2s and iPhones than N4.
That said, the more the N4s out there, the more accessories there will be for it. And thats always a good thing.
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How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).
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This. I only know one girl outside of XDA that even knows what the Nexus line is.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.
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Perhaps. Google may keep production low for the first wave after watching previous launches. There seems to be a lot of uncertainty about the popularity of this phone due to the lack of LTE, expandable storage, and maybe inadequate battery. Those of us looking to buy the phone can only hope that it is either not that popular or that Google didn't lower production.
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When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
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You know what I got from reading this? That you need to feel special/better than your friends. That's no reason to jack up the price of a phone.
Tell you what, I'll buy mine, then sell it to you for $859.99, that'll really blow your colleagues out of the water! Or how about avoiding the faux pas of bragging about how much money you spent on a cell phone. Hell, if anything I'll be showing my friends this phone and telling them how cheap it was. Look at this thing, it's awesome, and cost half the price of your NoteII!
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Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
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I don't see anything wrong of a 13 year old can save up and purchase this device, it allows a younger audience to own a modern smartphone without the hefty price tag. Exclusivity to one type of group (in this case being age) isn't somthing company's want for their products, and if they lure in the younger users with the low price tag, that means more marketshare for them. The nexus 4 isn't a fashion item like more popular phones such as the iPhone, or even the galaxy s3, it's made for contract free or value plan customers who want a fast phone for a reasonable price.
Lol I think this thread should be closed. =/
Who cares? Does it matter if the phone is not as "exclusive" as you would like?
It's an amazing phone at a great price, it will further push the Android ecosystem.
If you want exclusive, stick with foreign imports of obscure devices.
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I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago
bfspider said:
I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago
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XD I just did few minutes ago.
I mean, I am not iFan or anything, but all around the world where Nexus 4 was available for purchase was sold out in a blink of an eye.
Is this successful for Google or bad? What do you guys think.
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No they just have less units available at launch
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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo
3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.
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3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.
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Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:
hopefully this was just to test the waters to make sure there is a demand before they make more since they are selling these at a loss. hopefully they restore stock before the holidays.
lol, nothing against any other country, just be easier on everyone to not have a bad experience this way. But I must say, this is by far the most popular Nexus Cellphone, LG and Google got this one for sure. I'm happy thou, because it will only get better from here.
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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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Speculation but the only reasonable logic. Given how slow and how many errors there were, Google is not ready to sell iPhone numbers. I do not believe that much stock was emptied. In either case, hopefully they provide some numbers for us. If they don't, well then I think we can just assume the PR stunt.
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Lets wait and watch, I would love to read about this launch and see what everyone is thinking about this. Can't call this a satisfying launch at all but a successful launch from Google's point of view I would say.
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Yeah it seems to be a ****ty marketing stunt, might of had a negative impact actually because they've pissed a lot of people off
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Sp does nokia claim for their latest lumia lol but they only put on sale some thousands and not some millions so depends on the stock quantity
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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i guess they did it on reason, everytime apple releases iphone they make huge buzz around the world sold out sold out huge line outside of the store.. AS GOOGLE CANT HAVE HUGE LINE OUTSIDA STORE THEY TRICKED US WITH LESS STOCK AND MAKING SOLD OUT BUZZ. SHUT UP GOOGLE U MORON U LEFT LOADS OF UNHAPPY LOYAL SLEEPLESS CUSTOMERS WHO WERE EAGERLY WAITING ON THE DEVICE.
i doubt they had 500 devices for uk market
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Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:
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lol, they effectively did, started in Australia and worked westward to the US.
I find it believable, since they are not pulling off the same sold out stunt with the Nexus 10. It is probably due to the price. All they have to get out there is superior to the GS3 and for $349 unlocked with no contract and whoever that needs a new phone would be crazy not to buy it.
That said, there are not enough geeks to sustain these numbers like the iphone 5 can sustain the numbers. However, 2 million or more geeks all ordering at 9am pst is definitely plausible. But once that 2 million gets theirs then we will see how much staying power the Nexus 4 generates.
This is without a doubt a marketing technique. Watch all the tech articles tomorrow "Google sells out Nexus 4 in .03 microseconds!"
And you'll get ignorant posters with comments like "OMGWTFBBQ Apple took 2 days to sell out! I love Google tehe LMAO OMFG"
even if Google only had 3 phones to sell, and Apple had 3 million
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Exactly, totally a marketing stunt. They want the headlines that the Nexus 4 sold out, that its a hot commodity. That will create more interest, higher demand, and magically in a few days a whole butt-load of units will show up in the play store. It'll be interesting to see if they actually release number of units sold today.
They sold out because they only had like 10 devices available in each region, except the US, where they had like 15 units available...
Yes, I'm bitter.
I'm actually more curious the volume of sales for the first day of release, and if Google will release those numbers.
I gt one for myself!! But ya google sucked!! I feel sorry for you all!! They must have stocked arnd one lakh/0.1 million units in each country!! Thats really bad!! Apple had really done a good job
I have a theory as to why the Nexus 4 is out of stock, and for such a long time. This may or may not have been mentioned before (probably has) but I just wish to discuss it. Remember, this is purely speculation.
The reason LG has only made around 400,000 handsets and starved production was due to their own flagship, the LG Optimus G. Every single thing about this phone, is IDENTICAL to the Nexus 4, besides the fact the N4 is rocking stock stock android and the aesthetics are slightly different. The N4 has an advantage among the developer community with it being able to be torn apart and tweaked and tinkered with, unlike the OG which LG is still being a little b____ about the bootloader on many of their recent phones.
The 16GB LG Optimus G is $800 here in Australia, and the 16GB Nexus 4 is $400. You do the math.
I don't know if LG's actuaries are idiots or something, but they would have known about the guaranteed success of the next Nexus device, going on the sales figures of all the other devices. LG thought that making a tiny amount of profit on every Nexus device and in turn increasing their companies reputation in the mobile business, was worse than not making ANY profit on their CRAPBOX 3000 (LG Optimus G). I can see where they are coming from, as they don't want their spectacular flagship to be left in the dust with full stock, but zero sales so basically I think they were just chucking a cry or something.
SO DON'T HATE ON GOOGLE FOR THE LACK OF NEXUS'
What you can hate Google for, is choosing LG in the first place. Yeah, they may of felt generous and were trying to support them but at the cost of their own company getting hated? Why didn't they just buy LG like they did with Motorola, and that would be the end of it? When I heard of the new Nexus Device, I celebrating because for some reason I thought they were going to choose HTC for production (who knows why). Nek minnit, they choose some struggling company that either can't or won't keep up with production.
This may of looked like a run-out-of-the-mill rant, but this was some, high-quality, researched ranting skills to pay the bills.
Discuss.
^ not sure what you meant by high quality research as I don't see any evidence, references and all I can see is pure speculations that have been floating around in this forum since the day problems with stock started.
Do share some of your research details with us to base your ideas that has some concrete evidence of what you are assuming I'd happening and I'll gladly click thanks button under your name
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^ not sure what you meant by high quality research as I don't see any evidence, references and all I can see is pure speculations that have been floating around in this forum since the day problems with stock started.
Do share some of your research details with us to base your ideas that has some concrete evidence of what you are assuming I'd happening and I'll gladly click thanks button under your name
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Yeah he did say it was purely speculation. Whatever the reason, the lack of stocks is simply annoying.
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I fail to see how you guys can always come up with such gossip.
Google has made contracts with LG and they are producing the amount Google demanded.
Whether it was Google ordering just a tiny amount of phones, or LG can't keep up with production, due to manufacturing errors or anything else, we will never know.
Also, LG is not a bad hardware manufacturer. They do have the capability to spit out hundreds of thousand devices a month, and they've proven that they can.
For your info: devices produced in October: 75k
Devices produced in December: 400k
As you can see, they can definitely keep up with the demand, it's probably just Google ordering only tiny amounts of it.
A contract breach, as in simply not delivering the amount of phones Google demanded, would have legal consequences for them, so I guess they will be thinking twice before hampering the production.
Cheers.
Lg has good hardware? Hmmmm...i don't know. Have you hold Lg L9 or L7, its a pure piece of ****. Quality zero. Maybe they build good displays and parts, but housing of every device is ****y. TVs also.
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I fail to see how you guys can always come up with such gossip.
Google has made contracts with LG and they are producing the amount Google demanded.
Whether it was Google ordering just a tiny amount of phones, or LG can't keep up with production, due to manufacturing errors or anything else, we will never know.
Also, LG is not a bad hardware manufacturer. They do have the capability to spit out hundreds of thousand devices a month, and they've proven that they can.
For your info: devices produced in October: 75k
Devices produced in December: 400k
As you can see, they can definitely keep up with the demand, it's probably just Google ordering only tiny amounts of it.
A contract breach, as in simply not delivering the amount of phones Google demanded, would have legal consequences for them, so I guess they will be thinking twice before hampering the production.
Cheers.
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Lol, do you think "hundreds of thousands of devices a month" is anywhere near enough for a $600 phone priced at $350? Try several millions a month.
Oh and those production numbers were just speculation (albeit a logical one). No one knows the exact numbers.
Why does everyone blame LG? Is there a valid excuse for Samsung taking forever to restock the Nexus 10?
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Good point. Google is just building the hype. If they wanted to really earn money on N4 they would behave differently.
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Lol, do you think "hundreds of thousands of devices a month" is anywhere near enough for a $600 phone priced at $350? Try several millions a month.
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Yes, 400k might not be enough. But don't expect the nexus to sell like the iPhone or a Samsung galaxy. There simply is no marketing at all for the nexus. Companies like Apple and Samsung invest millions every year into marketing. Have you ever seen a nexus 4 ad other than on YouTube?
Probably not. The nexus' demographic is mostly tech enthusiasts.
I don't think LG is intentionally halting the manufacturing process, i mean they would be really stupid to do so, some of of you seem to forget that one of the biggests ways to sell is having quantity over price, if LG sells 5 million Nexus 4 that would make them a ton more money than selling 1 million Optimus G :laugh: , also it doesn't hurt that a lot more people are talking good stuff (regarding quality) about them, that could never hurt a company .
What LG did on purpose (in my opinion) was refusing to provide a 32 gb version of the phone , so if people want more storage (and LTE) they should buy the Optimus G
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Lg has good hardware? Hmmmm...i don't know. Have you hold Lg L9 or L7, its a pure piece of ****. Quality zero. Maybe they build good displays and parts, but housing of every device is ****y. TVs also.
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I had a 2012 47" LG HDTV and the housing was actually pretty nice. They used some type of real brushed metal for the housing instead plastic made to look like brushed metal like other manufacturers. I ended up returning it for a bigger TV though.
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Lg has good hardware? Hmmmm...i don't know. Have you hold Lg L9 or L7, its a pure piece of ****. Quality zero. Maybe they build good displays and parts, but housing of every device is ****y. TVs also.
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I disagree. I had a g2x and it was awesome except for the software. When is the last time you had a phone with HDMI out??? G2x had it, also was the first device with dual core.
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Yes, 400k might not be enough. But don't expect the nexus to sell like the iPhone or a Samsung galaxy. There simply is no marketing at all for the nexus. Companies like Apple and Samsung invest millions every year into marketing. Have you ever seen a nexus 4 ad other than on YouTube?
Probably not. The nexus' demographic is mostly tech enthusiasts.
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Actually I've seen nexus 4, 7 and Samsung chromebook adverts in newspapers and on advertising boards on the London underground. Haven't seen any marketing for the nexus 10 though.
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Blame Google because they are paying LG and someone really messed up in projecting how many to produce.
I mean last time it was Verizon holding it back so Google had to plan better this time.
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Yes, 400k might not be enough. But don't expect the nexus to sell like the iPhone or a Samsung galaxy. There simply is no marketing at all for the nexus. Companies like Apple and Samsung invest millions every year into marketing. Have you ever seen a nexus 4 ad other than on YouTube?
Probably not. The nexus' demographic is mostly tech enthusiasts.
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I'm sorry but this post is complete and utter rubbish. I have seen more adverts on telly for nexus 4 and nexus 7 than I have Samsung devices in the last month, so you cannot claim that there is no marketing at all. Get your facts straight.
Add to that the nexus adverts had me thinking it was an advert for an iPad, and Google are pretty bloody clever with their advertising.
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I'm sorry but this post is complete and utter rubbish. I have seen more adverts on telly for nexus 4 and nexus 7 than I have Samsung devices in the last month, so you cannot claim that there is no marketing at all. Get your facts straight.
Add to that the nexus adverts had me thinking it was an advert for an iPad, and Google are pretty bloody clever with their advertising.
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I can only speak for my country, but advertising for the nexus 4 is nonexistent here.
Hell, the only nexus ad I've ever seen was for the nexus s a few years ago. On the other hand, there are Samsung and Apple ads multiple times a day.
And I know that this is the case for a lot of countries.
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I'm sorry but this post is complete and utter rubbish. I have seen more adverts on telly for nexus 4 and nexus 7 than I have Samsung devices in the last month, so you cannot claim that there is no marketing at all. Get your facts straight.
Add to that the nexus adverts had me thinking it was an advert for an iPad, and Google are pretty bloody clever with their advertising.
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Which country?
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I disagree. I had a g2x and it was awesome except for the software. When is the last time you had a phone with HDMI out??? G2x had it, also was the first device with dual core.
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Yeah, but the O2X also doesn't have enough RAM, the proportions are a bit off and the spontaneous shut downs were never fully fixed. I have owned one for the past year and a half and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
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"telly" suggest the UK or somewhere there which makes sense as someone else says the "Tube" and such which is London's subway .
In the USA however, there is 0 ads on TV for the Nexus 4, there are some for the Nexus 7 but NEVER has there been one for the Nexus 4 or 10. Not even in the newspaper other than reviews and such mentioning it. Maybe that's why they don't however as they've already got tons of (positive) press here. In general, you advertise to get your name out there and build brand, once you are out there and everyone knows your name you tend to save those ad dollars.
I don't start many opinion threads and I've been on this site a very long time.
However, I've been seeing lot of threads come up for the NEXUS 5, regarding it's QC, and maybe questionable components. So I'll chime in and offer some of my views, for what they're worth and you can go ahead do the same.
In this day and age, a $350 smartphone (Unlocked and with no contract) is a bargain, ESPECIALLY one as capable of the Nexus 5. You guys CANNOT forget that.
This is a device that can easily handle some of the devices costing twice as much. it's a powerhouse with very up to date specs for a price that is very low.
You're getting the latest in processing power as well as graphics. You're getting an excellent screen that's large, VERY bright, very sharp with accurate color reproduction. Yes your contrast might not be as ridiculous as the OLED screens but they both have ups and downs. but come on, you forget all the negatives when you think it's a $350 device. I do atleast.
Me personally, battery life is good for me, but if it's not for you, well again, it's good, not excellent. But if you got this battery life with a $700 device, you'd be upset but at $350...........how upsent can you possible be? not to mention it's one of the very few wireless charging devices with VERY fast charge times.
Camera is Good, not a ground breaker but trust me....it's much better than other sub $350 retail phones. Compared to them, it's a gold mine of a camera.
Not to mention the software...it has the latest and during it's cycle will always be the first to have the latest.
wait....did I mention it's a $350 phone? Think about alll the feature it has at $350....... then see if you complain about the little "button rattle" you have.... which you only discovered because someone else did...... come on now..
It's one helluva a device, and if you take price into account....GOD DAMN, It's a bargain of the decade (Till the next nexus ).
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It's a bargain no doubt. If you don't mind the cut corners in battery, speakers and camera and value latest software very highly then it's the right device for you.
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MohJee said:
It's a bargain no doubt. If you don't mind the cut corners in battery, speakers and camera and value latest software very highly then it's the right device for you.
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Of course, that's why it's a $350 phone, not a $650 phone
But given the choice of nexus 5 at $350 and a Galaxy s4 at $600.................I just couldn't justify the extra $250 for the GS4...that's me. ..... and I own both lol.
I still think it is pretty crazy what they managed to pack into a $350 phone.
I just think these people are whingers. If they weren't whinging about this, they would have something else to whinge about.
I'm not one to complain. I've just sold my HTC One and bought this. But in the UK and a lot of other countries we are paying $560 for this phone.
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It's a great bargain no doubt, it's just that discovering hidden flaws in a product is never pleasant, regardless of the price.
Also they try to make it pass for a no-compromise product, which inevitably sets people up for disappointment. If they just came out and said "hey, this is just a decent phone, not perfect, but the price is amazing guys" then it would be different, expectations would be different I think.
They're the one inviting comparison with $700 devices by marketing it as they do.
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I don't start many opinion threads and I've been on this site a very long time.
However, I've been seeing lot of threads come up for the NEXUS 5, regarding it's QC, and maybe questionable components. So I'll chime in and offer some of my views, for what they're worth and you can go ahead do the same.
In this day and age, a $350 smartphone (Unlocked and with no contract) is a bargain, ESPECIALLY one as capable of the Nexus 5. You guys CANNOT forget that.
This is a device that can easily handle some of the devices costing twice as much. it's a powerhouse with very up to date specs for a price that is very low.
You're getting the latest in processing power as well as graphics. You're getting an excellent screen that's large, VERY bright, very sharp with accurate color reproduction. Yes your contrast might not be as ridiculous as the OLED screens but they both have ups and downs. but come on, you forget all the negatives when you think it's a $350 device. I do atleast.
Me personally, battery life is good for me, but if it's not for you, well again, it's good, not excellent. But if you got this battery life with a $700 device, you'd be upset but at $350...........how upsent can you possible be? not to mention it's one of the very few wireless charging devices with VERY fast charge times.
Camera is Good, not a ground breaker but trust me....it's much better than other sub $350 retail phones. Compared to them, it's a gold mine of a camera.
Not to mention the software...it has the latest and during it's cycle will always be the first to have the latest.
wait....did I mention it's a $350 phone? Think about alll the feature it has at $350....... then see if you complain about the little "button rattle" you have.... which you only discovered because someone else did...... come on now..
It's one helluva a device, and if you take price into account....GOD DAMN, It's a bargain of the decade (Till the next nexus ).
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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Posts like this is what causes contention among people. I think most people understand it's basically a steal for what you get at this price, but when you have people who act like the phone is flawless it's highly annoying. The nexus 5 is a great phone but the battery life definitely isn't one of it's strengths. Battery life is average on this phone, if you think it's great(or great with tweaks) try out other phones and you'd reconsider your definition of great.
I'm assuming the Nexus program was an intention of to show what Google can bring to the platform through software and not hardware.. Well then.. can Google make another program where hardware matters and listen to the community of what they want without cutting corners? I'll pay for that.
I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the feet accomplished by Google. Let's look at the problem space here. We need to build a phone with a good camera. Has latest hardware specs. Performs well with new operating system as it will be a hallmark device for it. Works on major carriers. Has LTE support. Work internationally. Has international LTE support. Supports both gsm and cdma. Oh and let's not forget it needs to be half the cost of all other flagship phones! Come on people there is only one other company that is even comings close to accomplishing such feet's and that xoimi. And for now they are only China based handsets. So let's give some props where props are due. I just got my bad boy today and I am in love with it!
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Many of you talk like Google Play supported countries are the only countries in the world. In many countries in Asia the Nexus 5 will cost just as much as the S4 and Htc One. In that case, it is unreasonable to see these issues in such an expensive phone. I may still buy it because of the development but please don't say that there had to be corners cut for the cheap price when in the majority of the world the phone is being sold for the equivalent of other high end phones.
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It's a great bargain no doubt, it's just that discovering hidden flaws in a product is never pleasant, regardless of the price.
Also they try to make it pass for a no-compromise product, which inevitably sets people up for disappointment. If they just came out and said "hey, this is just a decent phone, not perfect, but the price is amazing guys" then it would be different, expectations would be different I think.
They're the one inviting comparison with $700 devices by marketing it as they do.
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I'm sorry but what do you mean by "they try to make it pass for a no-compromise product"? Who exactly are "they"?
From my understanding, the product was launched WITHOUT any fanfare. It just mysteriously one day popped up on Google Play store.
If by "they", you mean the Tech Media and their "rumors" and leaks..... then yes, that's what they do. but the manufacturer and seller of this product never set any expectations, we set them as consumers from what we were fed by the tech media.
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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If you read what I said, I also said it's been good for me. Not sure about your question.
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I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the feet accomplished by Google. Let's look at the problem space here. We need to build a phone with a good camera. Has latest hardware specs. Performs well with new operating system as it will be a hallmark device for it. Works on major carriers. Has LTE support. Work internationally. Has international LTE support. Supports both gsm and cdma. Oh and let's not forget it needs to be half the cost of all other flagship phones! Come on people there is only one other company that is even comings close to accomplishing such feet's and that xoimi. And for now they are only China based handsets. So let's give some props where props are due. I just got my bad boy today and I am in love with it!
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pretty much.
Lastest in processing, graphics, bluetooth, radio chipset, NFC, wireless charging (Very few phones support this), excellent software, a rather well built device, great screen, acceptable battery life, acceptable camera...... and to package it all in a $350 price tag...it's no small feat indeed. I think the more we take THAT into account, we can begin to appreciate the $350 price tag.
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Many of you talk like Google Play supported countries are the only countries in the world. In many countries in Asia the Nexus 5 will cost just as much as the S4 and Htc One. In that case, it is unreasonable to see these issues in such an expensive phone. I may still buy it because of the development but please don't say that there had to be corners cut for the cheap price when in the majority of the world the phone is being sold for the equivalent of other high end phones.
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unfortunately, there are other economic factors that play into the pricing here when involving other countries that just out of Google's hands. Customs, taxation, economic conditions all play a role in it....... just things that can't be controlled in all cases.
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unfortunately, there are other economic factors that play into the pricing here when involving other countries that just out of Google's hands. Customs, taxation, economic conditions all play a role in it....... just things that can't be controlled in all cases.
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Yes but in my case it is completely reasonable for me to moan about low QC, battery, speakers, and camera when I paid full price. Of course I won't be doing that because the nexus 5 is awesome for the most part.
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I'm not one to complain. I've just sold my HTC One and bought this. But in the UK and a lot of other countries we are paying $560 for this phone.
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You did ??!!! Really ??
But why ?
Are you satisfied ?? Please put up your thoughts
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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Say how good ?
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I certainly wouldn't trade a working HTC One or Note 3 for one as some have suggested. Not even a G2. But for those who need a new phone on their own dollar there is no other choice.
My phone is perfect in every way not one defect. Best phone i have owned. Coming from a s3
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It's not only hardware. It's also this f****** closed source cpu drivers with Samsung, (exynos), the considerable delay to have version updates with correct sources and so on. A lot of major companies tend to turn like Apple. (See Knox, region simlock and so on)
Google is not a charity foundation neither, but at least our devs have less pain to bring us good roms.
Yeah 350 for you guys in the states, I got mine at 520 in asia
Life is not fair
12 hours usage so far today, battery is at 73%. Spent about an hour streaming music over wifi at the gym. About 1 hour of sporadic screen on time. Pretty happy with the battery.
What people forget is that when they get a new phone they tend to spend much more time than usual installing new apps, testing things out. The battery ran out on me and I started to agree with you all... until i realised i had installed 80 apps and played 3 different games for 4 hours of screen on time. (add on top of this all the stuff going on in the back ground setting things up).
Its a nexus device I guess aim toward developer so they can build better apps and stuff. The regular Betty and Nancy can love along lol
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