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Well as many of you know I have 2 HTC HD'S and I do a lot of testing on cooked ROM's. Actually I usually flash each device 1-3 times a day. One of the things I noticed is there is a lot of questions in the ROM threads about problems with exchange server, activesync, GPS, bletooth etc which while they are part of the device but may not be due to ROM issues. I also see many new members overwhelmed at the list of new ROM's and trying to decide what to flash. So I have a idea which I think would be good for the community and to the cooks. Why do I spend so much time testing ROM'S? Well I'm Partially Retired from Engineering background and I love my gadgets. I live in Thailand (LOS) and run a small restaurant but I still like to be active with electronics and my gadgets. But most of all I like to share and hopefully be of help to someone.
A repository of all my testing on all the ROM's, and or by any cooks request. I use a very strict and standard set of guidelines to test all ROM's the same every time and equally as to get the best evaluation. The repository would also include detailed information on each ROM such as version numbers of ROM and programs etc, as to let people know what is inside the ROM. Also in the repository would be all of my testing methods and specific test I run on each ROM. All benchmark test and performance test will be calculated by an average of 3-5 tests for more accuracy. For ROM's that don't have specific features it will be indicated in N/A. I would also take request for specific testing on a specific ROM, by members and by cooks.
I have tested so many ROM's and I feel I have wasted much of my time as I can't share and inform people as I would like, in fear that people would think I'm being subjective to one or more persons ROM. So this would be a way for me to share all of my work to the community and it would be a good reference source for cooks to check on other ROMs without having to actually flash every one to see what is inside and what bugs are there.
Now my question to the members would you value such a source?
EDIT: Well after 2 weeks of insane searching and testing I have decided to Cancel the idea above. The big problem being with all the testing tools I bought and tried most of the differences between all ROM's are very small. There are some differences but to the average person looking at the results is just confusing.
The second thing is I have tried every way to build a report database of information but again it just doesn't work without being subjective.
The only part of this which was still worthy was the full list of what is included in each ROM. a Detailed list of all programs and versions and build numbers. Unfortunately this is not enough information alone.
I will still continue to do beta testing and I can do a detailed test upon request.
Good Idea
I think this would be quite useful although how a person finds a rom is quite subjective. I suppose if your listing the haves and have nots then the user can do with the information what they wish.
Great Idea
Hey wanna partner up to help make the blackstone cooked rom list better?
Dizzle said:
I think this would be quite useful although how a person finds a rom is quite subjective. I suppose if your listing the haves and have nots then the user can do with the information what they wish.
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Yes exactly, this is why I will have a very structured list of observation, test results, and general facts. I will want to refrain from making personal opinions as this is then subjective. For example one of the observations might be " Scroll smoothness 1-10 with 10 being the smoothest" I will also welcome a list of things from cooks as they feel would be important observations or test if I miss something.
...having an objective reference is always very useful, also for those that believe that there are many subjective elements to choose a ROM. It is a very challenging activity, and in my opinion it implies a lot of time investment to be done correctly. However, it is indeed "one of the greated ideas i've heard of".
brilliant, I take my hat off to people who can find time in their day to do this kind of thing.
Just dont forget to include which 3rd party apps would be used if any.
Thanks!
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Hey wanna partner up to help make the blackstone cooked rom list better?
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Ok Thanks, waiting a few days to see response and word from admin/mod
I think it is an excellent idea.
It would certainly answer a lot of questions before they are asked.
So many ROM's, so little time.
I think this is a wonderful ide.
I myself have problem to deciede wich of...probably 3 ROM I will use.
A list of have/have not comes very handy, and helps me decide which I will choose.
Just a question...
which is the best between, duttys 2.1 Extrem ROM, L26_THDV8.0_WWE Ultimate and Davideuck_V-2_HP,OS 5.2.21028?
This are the ones I choose from...and I can't decide wich is the best.
Another question...Is Rhodium good? Useful? Run smooth on HD.
I've seen some issuse with the home button, anything you have notice with Rhodium?
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brilliant, I take my hat off to people who can find time in their day to do this kind of thing.
Just dont forget to include which 3rd party apps would be used if any.
Thanks!
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i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
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i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
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To start I will test and report on Device functionality and software included in the ROM. If I have time I may take on more test as a separate individual request. This keeps the data I provide close to the same for every ROM.
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i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
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having said that there's only a handful of 3rd party apps that actually change or modify system files / settings and therefor are worth mentioning, I personally only use PhoneAlarm out of such...the likes of Resco Explorer I was using since the days of HTC Wizard and it never did any harm to any ROM
i agree that a factual objective measurement of each roms +/- qualities would be useful.
if you have the time and inclination to do such a thing, then do it
if the mod/admin team dont want to sticky it, why not create your own website with the info and link it in your sig? id happily link in mine also
although, L26 is still the best (in my subjective opinion )
good luck
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i agree that a factual objective measurement of each roms +/- qualities would be useful.
if you have the time and inclination to do such a thing, then do it
if the mod/admin team dont want to sticky it, why not create your own website with the info and link it in your sig? id happily link in mine also
although, L26 is still the best (in my subjective opinion )
good luck
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Hi!
You said that L26 is the best in your opinion, have you tried Dutty Extreme or Davideuck_V-2?
I'm a bit torned between these three ROMs. I have only tried Duttys Extreme 2.1. These three seems to be the most popular ROMS, thats why I choose between these.
It wolud be very helpful if anyone who has tried these three to give me his/hers view of it.
Davideuck_V-2 seems good and also the new L26 V9.0 seems to be good.
The new Dutty Extreme 2.2 i comming, but nobody knows when. But this version (I think) will not have the new Rhodium
What is the differens between Rhodium and the old one?
Is it only the new start menu? Why should I take a ROM with Rhodium?
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Hi!
You said that L26 is the best in your opinion, have you tried Dutty Extreme or Davideuck_V-2?
I'm a bit torned between these three ROMs. I have only tried Duttys Extreme 2.1. These three seems to be the most popular ROMS, thats why I choose between these.
It wolud be very helpful if anyone who has tried these three to give me his/hers view of it.
Davideuck_V-2 seems good and also the new L26 V9.0 seems to be good.
The new Dutty Extreme 2.2 i comming, but nobody knows when. But this version (I think) will not have the new Rhodium
What is the differens between Rhodium and the old one?
Is it only the new start menu? Why should I take a ROM with Rhodium?
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Please what you are asking me to do is exactly what I don't want to do. Give a subjective opinion. Yes I have tried all of them more than once. Give me some time and I want to put in place detailed information for all ROM's that way you can see what fits your needs and make your choices. I like all the ROMs but for me to single one out is being subjective and this I will not do.
This is an excellent idea.
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Please what you are asking me to do is exactly what I don't want to do. Give a subjective opinion. Yes I have tried all of them more than once. Give me some time and I want to put in place detailed information for all ROM's that way you can see what fits your needs and make your choices. I like all the ROMs but for me to single one out is being subjective and this I will not do.
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Thats ok!
I think many of us is eager to find out what you know about the diffrent ROMs.
There are many ROMs out there. And every ROMs is improving with every release. It's hard to keep up which to choose.
And it also looking that every one is on the verge to release a new version this couple of days. So I think we all need your knowlege ASAP.
So please start the thread soon.
Thanx for the iniative!
Review template ?
Stats are good but as others have said, they can be subjective.
If each user filled in a form (online) where there were categories such as user type, main use for phone, technical aptitude, and then ratings for different categories, it would be possible to extract meaningful results.
For example
User type [professional] [casual user] [gadget freak]
Main use for phone [surfing] [work] [as a phone] [showing off]
Technical aptitude [n00b] [can follow instructions] [program for fun] [professional coder]
Graphics Performance [rating out of 100]
Ease of use [rating out of 100]
Responsiveness [rating out of 100]
Battery Life [rating out of 100]
Desirability [rating out of 100]
Appearance [rating out of 100]
You get the idea. New users and existing users could search these results based on their own priorities, worthy roms could then be chosen etc.
Just my 0.02
SlyT
What an excellent idea, I'd really appreciate an imparital viewpoint on the different ROMs
Objective:
To be able to create a ROM on your phone from your favorite chef. Also you will be able to combine differnt packages from different chefs. So you like Chef A ROM but you like Chef B graphics you can combine the two as long as the Chefs break up their packages according to specs of app.
Also you will be able to browse, download and install apps from developers here at XDA, HTCPedia or any other website if they wish to place their Apps here.
Chefs, developers, and any modder can put up their own work on server and will be responsible for maintaining their work on App Store server. It is up to each modder to set price if any. PayPal system will be part of app.
Project Lead Time
V1 beta will be available after all bugs have been found and squashed.
How it will work:
User can create ROM and flash from phone. User can also browse App Store and select what programs, tweaks and themes to include in ROM or add to current ROM installed on phone.
Theoretical scenario
User wants to install new ROM on phone and does not like any of the custom stuff chefs put into ROM. What is user to do?
User downloads and installs Fusion Visual UC on either Windows Mobile Device.
User then runs Fusion Visual UC and selects all settings user prefers and applications. Through activesync Fusion Visual UC will install custom package on SD card of device and install latest Fusion Power ROM.
New ROM will be loaded on phone. At end of Windows Customization, Fusion Visual UC will take over, issue some prompts and then proceed to install all customized user settings.
At end of customization user's device will reboot and user will have totally customized Windows Mobile build as if user cooked the ROM themselves.
All flavors of Manila will be included to allow user to select what version they like to use.
More to come soon!
Funding
This project requires some funding which I can not do on my own, if I could I would so I am hoping to get some help from the community since it will be for everyone to use as end user or developer.
Costs will be:
Friend who is helping me with code. I already gave him my new TP2 as partial payment and would like to give him some payment as we get further a long. Anything is good...
Server equipment - Would like to keep server in house for the launch of App and for a few months after that. So I will need to purchase equipment for server.
Additional Phones - Would be nice to get a phone for myself for testing reasons and one for graphic designer. No big deal, can make do without but would make everything easier.
I am a student and do freelance IT work on the side. I filled up my schedule as much as I can for this week and next to earn some extra cash to carry the burden of cost. Only downside is it takes time away from App.
Thank you in advance if you contribute to this application.
Everyone who contributes will be set up with free exchange account. Also if developers want to charge for their apps I will try to cut a deal with them to allow donators to access their apps for free.
Developers have no charge to use this app nor are they required to share in their profits.
Developer Info
I will soon post instructions how to setup your packages to be recognized on server for App Store.
Things you can create:
ROMs - fully loaded or base ROM
Packages - All sorts of add-ons for your ROMs
Tweaks - any tweaks, can be CAB, Reg or XML file
Themes - create themes and share them on the App Store
Image Files
Images will be placed up here shortly.
Progress
15-09-09 01:19 AM
Cob webs have been cleared.
Flowchart and App design layout all complete.
First line of code is about to be laid out...
21-09-09 18:13
Busy weekend coding away. The base of the ROM creation tool and app store have been laid. Format for developers to place their stuff on server has been finalized. Will not take much work from developer to place their work on server and in App Store.
If any developer (Chef, app developer or modder) would like to get a head start on getting their packages ready feel free to PM me. Once I am 100% sure that the current format for developers is the one we are going with then I will publish instructions.
This will work on any WinMo device but the first device to be fully supported will be the HTC Touch Pro2.
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If I did not mention a feature that you think would work well with new App I am working on please leave input and I will look into it.
Wow does this mean a lot of late nights with Red bull?
SOUNDS AWESOME!!!
I am so there. Count me in dude. Welcome back!
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Wow does this mean a lot of late nights with Red bull?
SOUNDS AWESOME!!!
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Many many many nights and lots of Airzona Green Tea...my fav drink
You can pull it off A. I know you can. We will all be waiting. Take your time so you don't have to stress yourself after release on people complaining about issues.
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You can pull it off A. I know you can. We will all be waiting. Take your time so you don't have to stress yourself after release on people complaining about issues.
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Like there is any question I can not pull it off..
I am teasing...I am not that cocky...just that confident
Hey welcome back At0m. Glad to see you back in action. Pretty interesting concept. So you are making Chefs out of us huh!!
Looking forward...
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Hey welcome back At0m. Glad to see you back in action. Pretty interesting concept. So you are making Chefs out of us huh!!
Looking forward...
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I will be providing a tool for total customization. Isn't that what we are all here for? To make our high end devices look and run how we like?
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I will be providing a tool for total customization. Isn't that what we are all here for? To make our high end devices look and run how we like?
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one rom and user can customize it them self's I think maybe I am dreaming
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one rom and user can customize it them self's I think maybe I am dreaming
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Updates can be found in Post #3
So.. is this going to be an application that installs app cabs over a base ROM... or a kitchen type setup that recooks a base ROM with the user's preferences ?
Welcome back
Glad to see you back here not because of your fusion or future room but as a friend. we may not know each other but i think, you are still among the elite people that devoted your own time for all the xda community.
WELCOME ....
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So.. is this going to be an application that installs app cabs over a base ROM... or a kitchen type setup that recooks a base ROM with the user's preferences ?
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A crappy chef never shares his secrets or plans for fear they may be stolen.
Fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me.
I think it is best we do not cross paths.
i`m not sure if i`m breaking any rules by posting this but i`m new on this forum and i have only one problem .. when i`m trying to search for a rom i have ten's of results and onlyt 10 % of them give me what i want .. and sometimes not even thoes... i found a thread in the themes and app section whit known apps working on the touch hd etc ..
could someone make something like this for the roms ..
it`s a nightmare to search for a rom ..
this could be verry helpfull .. just "stick" the thread to the top of the forum and there a moderator or anyone who wants the job could post every existing rom and the link to it ..
no description .. just something like this :
name(dutty`s r4),(miri`s etc) win 6.5 .. build 2****
link (or something close to this)
the reason for wanting this is because whenever i`m trying to search for something i`m spending literaly hours trying to find the rom, app etc ..
thank`s for the answer .. what ever that is
first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.
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first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.
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i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english
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i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english
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Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.
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Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.
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love to .. but like u said it would also be very time consuming .. and i don`t really have the time .. i will give`it a try .. but don`t be surprized if the thread apears after 2-3 months ...
im away from home 12 - 13 hours a day and that`s why i invited someone else to give`it a go .. i just came with the ideea
so who ever reads this and wants the job .. go ahead .. a lot of people will love you after the thread`s release
I've re-opened this thread.
Hopefully others want to help and assist this quest. I'll watch thread closely and if it develops I may sticky it. But its a long way off this for now.
Good luck
Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay
j1978 said:
Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay
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I would suggest making a google documents account, and setting up a spreadsheet. Make it open access to all, and arrange with ROMs down the side and details along the top. You could have sections for different authors with their ROMs all in one place. Once you have a bare bones structure, invite people to contribute and publish the address of the spreadsheet.
Good luck, it's a great idea. I would also invite proposals for what column headings you have (eg it would be good to have votes so particularly successful ROMs could be identified.)
I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved
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I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved
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Hi
everything ok besides the last suggestion that would be to difficult i think.
Will post back on updates
Jay
Hello
ok Here is a barebone first try. Please view and suggest improvements. If you would like access to edit and add roms please post here or Pm me.
Jay
There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason
I wouldn't mind allowing someone access to editing Wingster and adding a Touch HD section to my website. I need someone who is dedicated and has time to keep it updated though.
Any takers? The website is (www.thewingster.com)
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There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason
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Hmm indeed the wiki seems to be the most logical solution.
Jay
I had just picked up on this thread and was about to comment on the spreadsheet and the fact that I'm sure a Wiki page was updated once upon a time and low and behold, it's been posted!
The fact is whilst many people are fluent with cooked ROM's, there are MANY more that have a number of valid reasons for being sceptical and wanting specific information before trying.
My personal belief is that the Wiki would be the best solution for this as it can be edited by all.
However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
For instance, in most of the recent ROMs there seems to be an issue with MMS but the cooker doesn't necessarily agree that it's a ROM issue, hence the community common issues section.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
One last thing - Whilst I understand that many of the cookers have other things that are ongoing and therefore get to their ROM's as and when they can and again provide support where they can, I have seen very little support for their ROM's as they know there is another around the corner. That to me is the biggest issue for people wishing to jump into the world of cooked ROMS - the ability to know exactly what they are and aren't getting. Standard ROMs provide that and hence the comfort it brings.
Comments & thoughts?
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However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
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Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay
j1978 said:
Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay
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Well count me in - I'm willing to be a part of this. I really feel that for the "average user" there is very little that they can get at quickly and effectively. If you are a power user you can go through the whole "editing of manila files" and the other titbits in the threads but the fact is most people don't expect "normal" functions to be interrupted by new ROMs...they expect enhancements with no reduction in usability. I understand that there is a trade-off, but i think that trade-off should be immediately understood and available for all users to see.
Same here....
I have started tonight compiling some of the ROM details...
I could add a new table into the Cooked ROMs Wiki page with where I am up to and so people can get an idea of the layout I am proposing?
Personally I think there should be a table per WM version, and also per language, although I have concentrated efforts firstly on WWE.
I also would group in the table by Chef, listing their variants next to each other, each on a different line, but light, standard, heavy builds of the same variant that are usually on the same thread should be on one line, I think we can span the lines in the table on the Wiki so it looks right. The main table should only have latest links, and maybe another Wiki page with previous links, that we move when a new one comes out, so a record is kept where possible.
The column where the name of the ROM series is will link to the thread, with the download links having its own column if possible (maybe with light, standard, heavy if applicable)
Mods: Can you advise on posting links to other sites, i.e. with Dutty etc going to HTCPedia. Some of these Chefs generate a lot of interest, dont really want to exclude these...
Thanks
Jason
EDIT::
I have updated the cooked ROMs page, added a new table near the top, only WM6.5 ROMs WWE versions.
Not an extensive list yet, and some missing information as threads dont have some detail:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
Need to decide on whether the columns are suitable and whether there is more information that would be handy, and/or any other revisions to the layout. If anyone is aware of any of the missing information, that would be great, just go ahead and fill it in...
MODS: Could do with a new thread with a sticky, pointing to the cooked ROM Wiki page once we have sorted it out please.
Chaps,
Now I have put an example table on the cooked roms wiki page, can everyone who is interested take a look and see if we can make this wiki useful...
Thanks
Hello
Nice work! but as you might have noticed there is allready a wm 6.5 section so now we have two.
altough anyone can edit the wiki i was advised by the Mods to first compile the data and then when we have most of the info edit the wiki .
so i suppose we should focus on editing the google spreadsheet i set up.
If anyone wants access please post here.
P.S Jason and Wiggz please PM me a google username so i can add you to the list.
Jay
Hi
i am fairly silent usually but for once i have an idea i would like to discuss
first a little introduction
i am a big fan of dutty and his work, still using his last rom but thinking of upgrading. The usual process is to download a bunch of promising Rom after reading opinions on the forum and keeping the one i find best suited to my taste. And i thought "wouldn't it be cool if i knew which one is the most used",
first wanted to do a poll about it, and realized the limitation of the poll.
So here is the idea
1) Is it possible to parse the [ROM] tag of any new rom and add it to a poll, with different categories and criteria :
first by time : this week, this month, ever
second by criteria : speed, functionalities, handling, etc ...
"Which Rom are you currently using ?"
and offer the possibility (if the voter wants to) to rate some criteria, and link the vote with the account, that means if i vote for a new Rom my previous vote is taken away from the previous Rom to reflect reality.
2) Is it already in place ? If then sorry for the long post, if it's not the case then is there a valid reason for not doing so ?
3) What does it take to put a top list system like that in place ?
Thank you for reading
Hi,
do you mean something like the Rom benchmark (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=516190)?
This is already a thread here.
Yes thank you !
that is actually part of what gave me this idea,
1) the guy who created the thread isn't seemingly able to update it, that's why i thought of something a bit more ... automated to alleviate the burden from the shoulder of those people who chose to help.
2) the idea of the benchmark relies on objective parameters only, something that i usually love , but i think that a flock of users might detain some insight (that a benchmark can't assess, like rating the design of a rom for instance) that we can harvest from our daily use ( or weekly ) of the forum. If it is feasable all it needs i guess (technical part aside), is some good will which is very abundant here !
INDEX:
Background
Purpose
General Recommendations
When You Post in a Thread
Credits
Themes (at post #2)
Tutorials, Help Threads & Guides (at post #3)
Reports about Battery Life or Endurance (at post #4)
Possible WiFi Drops (at post #5)
Background: Following some threads in this forum I've pretty early realised that quite a few bug reports, requests and questions are raised without sufficient information to allow developers (dev), recognised contributors (RCs) or other members to easily provide solid answers and recommendations or a possible fix. Everybody should remember even the highly professional dev cannot read your mind.
Purpose: To provide some recommendations how to best phrase a request to receive the most suitable answer.
General recommendations:
Please read the XDA Forum Rules provided by @MikeChannon; from my personal point of view a definite MUST READ for everybody who intends to post on XDA or to contribute to this great site. Other MUST READ's I certainly recommend to everybody who wants to "breathe" what I believe the spirit of XDA is, are the following posts:
Forum Etiquette by @TheByteSmasher,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441 by @zelendel, and last but not least
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=44 by @kyphur.
Do me the favour and really inhale what I just linked above!
Remember: Before you flash anything take a NANDROID backup or ensure you've an up-to-date one!
Before you post your issue or request, reboot at least once and try to replicate your problem. If it doesn't persist any longer the reboot might already have been the solution.
Read, read, and read again, read the OPs (first post of each thread) and scan the respective thread. Use the search function of XDA (in-thread search is so good). Also, you can use a web search. It means you have to read and study but I've no doubt you don't mind to do that for your device. With all this, you'll probably find your answer without having to post something.
A lot of OPs already contain hints how to solve commonly known issues, e.g. the [ROM][6.0.1][i9305 OFFICIAL] Resurrection Remix® M v5.7.3 OP by @rodman01 provides at the very end information and workarounds for random reboots during calls, camera crashes (see also post #43) or how to convert filesystem Ext4 to F2FS and vice versa.
You have first to know by yourself if your issue could be ROM or Kernel related. If you don't, post and see how it goes. Occasionally, the issue seems to be ROM or kernel related on the first glance but it isn't. For example, MMS sending or receiving issues are mostly related to somehow wrong or bad APN settings, or the baseband/modem isn't suitable for the respective local region or the desired carrier. A guide in regard to fixing of MMS issues is linked at post #3.
Before you post in a ROM development thread, be sure you do not run a custom kernel or Xposed (you should disable all Xposed modules and see if your issue still persists). Despite this, if you use a custom kernel or use Xposed and you're 100% sure it's ROM related, maybe you could post.
Last but not least: Don't ask what e.g. the best ROM or kernel is! All ROM, kernel, etc. available at xda are great but each one has its different specification, capabilities, pro's and con's. The best one for you is the one, which meets your desires and expectations.
When you post in a thread:
Post questions in Q&A forums or threads instead of DEV forums. But if you have a solid bug report (never reported before and fulfilling all the required criteria, check below) with all needed info, you can post in a DEV thread.
Don't make a dev, RC or anybody else to read your mind.
Don't have a dev, RC, or anybody else to make assumptions. As soon as an assumption fails the whole solution is going to become void.
Please post your issue or request by using the English language as mentioned in the XDA rules to allow everybody to understand the post and hopefully to contribute to or at least to learn out of it. Don't be afraid if English isn't your native tongue - that's certainly the case for most of the xda users. English isn't an issue here - as long as we all at least try to use this language. Even if your English skills aren't too developed just use simple wording; nobody is going to blame you; however, try to be as precise and unambiguous as possible.
Always run a logging tool to be able to augment your post by a log (logcat) file. Add the log as an attachment to your post or upload it on the cloud and paste the public link in your post. It doesn't matter, which logging tool you use but familiarise yourself with its use and where it saves the log. I'm e.g. using an app called "Catlog" that saves logs to the internal memory. Also you can use the MatLog app or use adb commands (HERE is a guide/tutorial)
If you're running Xposed uninstall it, and take the log again (while Xposed is running, the log even states that it's useless because of Xposed).
Take screenshots (quite often via buttons "Vol-" & "Pwr" or "Home" & "Pwr" depending on the ROM you use) or if more suitable a screen record (quite often via buttons "Vol+" & "Pwr") and attach them/it to your post. Before you take a screenshot or record, change your system language to English to allow everybody to understand the content of the screen. Some ROM provide these functionalities in the menu of the power button, too; however, they must be enable within the ROM settings.
Always provide exact and precise information about your issue. Write a description and, if possible, steps to reproduce.
Always provide exact and precise information about your device, the ROM, the kernel, your recovery, and specify the versions of the latter three. Occasionally information about your modem (or even bootloader) might also be helpful e.g. if you've problems with the RIL, mobile network or making phone calls. If you're on F2FS please mention.
If your issue or problem occurred immediately after you freshly flashed a ROM or kernel, please describe your installation procedure (clean, dirty, or describe when you wiped and/or formatted what). Please provide information, from which ROM or kernel you came.
If you have issues with anything from Google, specify the GApps version you flashed.
If you're using Xposed (not recommended when reporting bugs), please provide this important information including version and its developer as well as the modules you use.
Credits:
@Wood Man for commenting the initial draft and the highly valuable contributions.
@西村大一 for providing helpful comments to keep this thread valuable.
and to everybody who I mentioned in this OP or the subsequent posts. If I forgot someone I apologise. Please let me know in this case or if you want to be more prominently given credit; I'm happy to immediately follow such a request!
EDIT (2016-09-11) Reports about battery life or endurance:
Moved to post#4.
Off topic comments are allowed as long they are generally related to the overall topic, are in the general interest of the followers of this thread and add value to the thread. The ultimate decision rests with me as the OP!
Themes
In addition to all statements in the OP, themes might be able to heavily influence system/ROM performance and behaviour; however, all pending on the used ROMs. Themes could mess things up on specific ROMs.
I personally got black screens on my GT-I9305 in the combination of a specific theme used, Resurrection Remix (MM) and Xposed. Switching to a different theme (PitchBlack | DarkRed CM13/12), which was developed by a Resurrection Remix dev (Altan KRK (westcrip)), solved the issue. Another RC experienced and reported to have had issues related to themes when he tested CM12.1 and CM13.
On the other hand, e.g. some Sammy stock based Android 4.4.4 ROMs (e.g. AMCHA ROM, N4 ELITE, TGP, etc) even don't have a theme engine, and shouldn't make the above mentioned trouble.
As said, it depends on the used ROM! But if you experience issues I suggest at least to consider your theme to be possibly involved. Guess it's pretty easy to switch to the stock design, probably to reboot, and to check if the issue persists. However, I like to stress again, it depends on the used ROM!
Thanks to @[I]Wood Man[/I] who first pointed me to the solution to my above mentioned issue, and second who doesn't get tired in providing hints for this thread!
Tutorials, Help Threads & Guides
What is? Boot loader, custom ROMs, CWM, modem, kernel, flashing, rooting, ADB, baseband?? by @esimon311. Thanks to esimon311 for this great overview.:good:
[GUIDE] Most up to date guide on CPU governors, I/O schedulers and more! by @Saber. Thanks to Saber (formerly gsstudios) for this great guide.:good:
[Tutorial] How To Logcat by @paxChristos. Thanks to paxChristos for this great tutorial.:good:
[HELP THREAD][i9300][i9305] Ask any Question. Noob friendly. by @limjh16. Thanks to limjh16 for providing great support.:good:
[HELP THREAD] Galaxy S3 - Ask any question. by @tommypacker. Thanks to tommypacker for having set up this great help thread.:good:
[Q&A] to [INDEX] Samsung Galaxy S3 LTE - ROMs, Kernels, MODs, Recoveries, Themes established by the "QA bot".
[GUIDE][26-07-2016]Extreme Battery Life Thread(Greenify+Amplify+Power Nap) by @v7. Thanks to v7 for having set up this great guide.:good:
Idle Battery Drain on Stock ROM (XPosed & Amplify Required!) by @Celestial Fury. Thanks to Celestial Fury for having set up this great guide.:good:
[HOW TO] Fix GPS location/locking to satellites issue by @Maho_66. Thanks to MaHo_66 for this great procedure.:good:
[GUIDE] SIM-unlock your i9305 by @西村大一, formerly known as "Alexander_the_B0ss". Thanks to 西村大一 for this useful guide.:good:
[GUIDE] [HOW TO] [FIX] MMS sending error on 5.1 to 7.1 AOSP and CM based ROMs by @alias_ z3d. Thanks to alias_z3d for this useful guide.:good:
How did I enhance the battery duration of my SGS 3 LTE (GT-I9305)? by me.
A short story by me how I installed microG and related application on my GApps-free device is available here.
If any of the above information has been of help for you please hit the thanks button in the respective OP!
Reports about Battery Life or Endurance
If you observe abnormal battery performance, duration or life from your point of view, please take and check battery statistics yourself!
Please do NOT post anything beforehand (e.g. in the Q&A thread)!
From my personal point of view, a recommendable application to check battery stats is “BetterBatteryStats” but there a lot of similiar apps available. The OP of “BetterBatteryStats” provides you with good information about wakelocks and battery life in general, too.
Take your stats for some hours or even better a few days (and nights). Try to figure out if wakelocks persist that are triggered by apps or processes. If you are able to identify e.g. such an app, try first yourself if the issue gets fixed by de-installation of such an app. Think about getting in touch with the app's developer.
ONLY if it’s finally ROM or kernel related, post in Q&A section or dev section but observe these prerequisites:
Battery stats screenshots, AND logs, AND as many details as possible.
Good battery endurance paired with a "smooth" system behaviour seems to be priority number one for everybody for obvious reasons. However, regularly nobody clearly defines what a good battery endurance or life means. Is it the 24+ hrs, which satisfies the one, but 16 hrs already the other? Discussions about the battery seem to continue just knowing the type of device and probably the ROM but ignore the overall system and especially personal behaviour and preferences of the device's owner.
Besides ROM and kernel, a lot of different things are obviously effecting the battery:
How do you use your phone? Heavy load gaming? Screen permanently on while staring on "grimacebook" or "whogivesa..."?
What are the application running on the device, and which have permission for auto-start at boot or to stay awake? Which and how many applications do run in the background, and are eating fuel?
Age, capacity, and type of the battery.
Mobile data always ON or not.
WiFi always ON or not.
Cell network coverage and reception.
Screen brightness level.
Abnormal wakelocks triggered by crappy apps.
etc. etc. etc.
Prior to a decision for a specific tariff plan, analysis of the consumer behaviour in regard to number, duration, network of calls, text messages, and data consumption is desired. In turn, evaluation of battery life appears to require a similar approach by assessing the topics stated in the list above. Literally, at least I personally deem to be unable to advice anybody else but me how good battery life is or how to improve it.
It's somehow useless for different users to compare or ask for battery life between ROMs / Kernels since we all have different behaviours, different ways to configure the phone, and different apps installed.
For completeness, I'd like to mention there're multiple applications and Xposed modules around, which are supposed to extend endurance of a battery, e.g. Greenify, Amplify, or Power Nap in order just to mention a few. A web search might drag you to the ones that are best suited to you, and you always need to evaluate for yourself if they serve the advertised purpose and your requirements. Be also aware that some of them require the Xposed framework to function or for full functionality. Some guides are linked at post#3. If interested in privacy I suggest to thoroughly read the reviews of the respective tool, have its point or country of origin in mind, and search the web. Nearly all are requesting root privileges and/or use the Xposed framework i.e. are going to have more or less unlimited access to your device. Good news are many of them are open source, and at least the ones I mentioned above don't require access to the internet to function. I'd personally ensure that they mustn't pass the firewall (e.g. AFWall+ by @ukanth or NetGuard by Marcel Bokhorst (@M66B).
(edited with the help of and thanks to @Wood Man):good:
EDIT (2016-10-11): In this thread, I tried to explain how I did enhance the battery duration of my SGS 3 LTE (GT-I9305); however, maybe it's also suitable to other devices (I'm convinced it is).
Possible WiFi Drops
@Wood Man allowed me to quote him reagrding WiFi drops that occured to him several times. It never happened to me because my setup was (just by accident) always different; however, if WiFi drops occur to you please have a look below. The explanation is so reasonable and makes so much sense from my point of view. Thanks very much to Wood Man for sharing his knowledge.
Wood Man said:
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Here is a feedback about an old issue I've reported about wifi drops: previous reports HERE and HERE.
I can say the problem is not the ROM neither the kernel. Everything is OK on your side rodman . The problem is just because I use Wi-Fi 2.4ghz and bluetooth at the same time. Since bluetooth uses the same 2.4 ghz frequency, it explains the problem: INTERFERENCES while streaming on both wifi and bluetooth at the same time!
It's a known and common issue with wireless devices. One culprit should be wifi or bluetooth drivers which not handle perfectly both connections at the same frequencies. Some devices well built, with good drivers, can handle this well AFAIK. It's never perfect because other sources of interferences exist.
One solution should be to use wifi 5ghz (if available on router, and device).
Another solution is to use better bluetooth devices which handle better bluetooth/wifi protocol, using the same frequency.
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About drainage, I don't know. But could be...
The interferences happen only while streaming. I mean we can connect both wifi 2.4 and bluetooth at the same time without problem, the connection stays, but inteferences happen only when sound goes to audio bluetooth device.
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Forgot to say that even if wifi 2.4 doesn't drop, the wifi transfer speed could very very slow in case of interferences with bluetooth streaming. (It's my case with my P9 Lite).
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UPDATE (2017-05-26): Please find some additional, new information of @Wood Man at post #59:
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I did a house moving recently and now I can use both Wifi 2,4 ghz and bluetooth at the same time without issues. The differences between my previous flat and my new one are:
1- A new router,
2- Less Wifi networks around me.
I bet point #2 above is the key because there are less interferences now in my flat ...
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Aminewolf said:
#Outoftopic
Feels good to give the freshly joined juniors a lesson on how to use the search function doesn't it
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Actually not; I don't want to appear as a schoolmaster. That's the reason why I decided to create this thread.
I already asked FLooDW, but I'm also looking forward to your opinion?
Hi @noc.jfcbs,
Thanks for your thread, your time, your recent contributions and credits you gave to me
This is a good idea, I really hope a lot of members will read and apply your recommendations.
As you requested my opinion, I've done some modifications in your OP here below within the HIDE tags. Maybe some more adjustments will be necessary, I don't know yet.
FLooDW said:
Hi @noc.jfcbs,
Thanks for your thread, your time, your recent contributions and credits you gave to me
This is a good idea, I really hope a lot of members will read and apply your recommendations.
As you requested my opinion, I've done some modifications in your OP here below within the HIDE tags (sorry for XDA Labs users who will see the the whole modified OP). I will for sure update my post once the OP is modified (if you want to do so). Maybe some more adjustments will be necessary, I don't know yet. ...
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@[I]FLooDW[/I], your suggestion is at least 10x better than my (let's call it) initial draft. Thank you very much for taking your time and having a look. ...actually it was much more than that. I did appreciate it.
OP is modified and waiting for further adjustments. Guess you can update your post now. CU
noc.jfcbs said:
@[I]FLooDW[/I], your suggestion is at least 10x better than my (let's call it) initial draft. Thank you very much for taking your time and having a look. ...actually it was much more than that. I did appreciate it.
OP is modified and waiting for further adjustments. Guess you can update your post now. CU
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OK thanks for including my changes
My post is now edited.
Also, I've already added your thread in my signature
This is a very good thread, contribution and idea. The only problem to me is that it is in a secluded forum (quite) you may want to ask a moderator to move this to general forums or such.
Sent from my GT-I9305 using XDA Labs
limjh16 said:
This is a very good thread, contribution and idea. The only problem to me is that it is in a secluded forum (quite) you may want to ask a moderator to move this to general forums or such.
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Yes I was thinking quite the same. I'm not sure this thread is at the right place. But in another hand I think it could be a good idea to keep it in dev forum because the purpose is to advertise members to post the right way in dev threads. It could be discussed
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Yes I was thinking quite the same. I'm not sure this thread is at the right place. But in another hand I think it could be a good idea to keep it in dev forum because the purpose is to advertise members to post the right way in dev threads. It could be discussed
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Let me give you my 2cents:
The thread, no doubt, is in the wrong forum, but it should be pinned and given the highest priority. It is so effin useful.
The idea behind it is so good. Really. It makes me jealous. I will try and formulate some examples for @noc.jfcbs to add to the OP to further help newbies.
Alexander_the_B0ss said:
Let me give you my 2cents:
The thread, no doubt, is in the wrong forum, but it should be pinned and given the highest priority. It is so effin useful.
The idea behind it is so good. Really. It makes me jealous. I will try and formulate some examples for @noc.jfcbs to add to the OP to further help newbies.
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Well, good point
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However if we move this thread in Q&A section, I think it won't be read that much before newbies post in DEV forum... Even if it's pinned in Q&A section.
I really think it should be pinned in dev forum so newbies read before posting there, but it would also be inappropriate for dev forums...
Or it should go to general forum and pinned and linked to all dev forums. But then again if we link it some may not see (I'm guilty of this sometimes :silly: ) should I page a moderator? Or I think we should wait for noc.jfcbs to make his own decision
Sent from my GT-I9305 using XDA Labs
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I really think it should be pinned in dev forum so newbies read before posting there, but it would also be inappropriate for dev forums...
Or it should go to general forum and pinned and linked to all dev forums. But then again if we link it some may not see (I'm guilty of this sometimes :silly: ) should I page a moderator? Or I think we should wait for noc.jfcbs to make his own decision
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In any case we have to wait noc.jfcbs's point of view and then we'll ask a moderator.
@[I]FLooDW[/I], @limjh16: I've got to know both of you as very experienced and highly motivated Android enthusiasts in xda. Just looking at my joining date, I'm still a newbie on this site, and I personally rather take advice from guys with more experiences.
However, before I opened this thread I certainly thought of its right place, and I had all location you mentioned above under closer consideration but I finally decide to open the thread in the current forum for this reason: I remembered which the first forum was that I used when I initially came to xda. It wasn't any "general forum" or "Q&A" but the current one. I was in interested in ROM, kernel etc. for my specific device. Additionally, I thought if the thread doesn't fit here a mod is certainly going to move it to the right place.
Having followed your discussion I meanwhile believe the topic of this thread is much more generic and not at all related to a specific device and therefore should deserve a different location on xda. On the other hand, and that's a bit selfish, I'd like to support the forums and threads I'm used to mainly monitor by qualified posts of "newbies". Currently two hearts are beating in my breast; probably I'd rather be egoistic.
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@[I]FLooDW[/I], @limjh16: I've got to know both of you as very experienced and highly motivated Android enthusiasts in xda. Just looking at my joining date, I'm still a newbie on this site, and I personally rather take advice from guys with more experiences.
However, before I opened this thread I certainly thought of its right place, and I had all location you mentioned above under closer consideration but I finally decide to open the thread in the current forum for this reason: I remembered which the first forum was that I used when I initially came to xda. It wasn't any "general forum" or "Q&A" but the current one. I was in interested in ROM, kernel etc. for my specific device. Additionally, I thought if the thread doesn't fit here a mod is certainly going to move it to the right place.
Having followed your discussion I meanwhile believe the topic of this thread is much more generic and not at all related to a specific device and therefore should deserve a different location on xda. On the other hand, and that's a bit selfish, I'd like to support the forums and threads I'm used to mainly monitor by qualified posts of "newbies". Currently two hearts are beating in my breast; probably I'd rather be egoistic.
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in that case, do you think it will be a good idea to include this in every rom thread? I will definitely quote this OP in all my rom, kernel etc threads with your permission. And we can always page for rodman
Allow me to make a suggestion, even or although it might be, that this couldn't be implemented in the forum system. Because of the reason that the 10 post rule seems to be cancelled (?), what do you think about, when ever a new member is willing to post a comment in a dev thread, he would get a pop up with a link to your, will say this post. Or in that pop up the message is already included. It might be a bit strict, but its mentioned without offense. I can understand, that most of the people and new users, want to get an answer soon or even at once, to their individual questions or problems and this without doing something of themselves. They want it presented or spoon feeded (@FLooDW ). And this also a matter of our current life style , in my opinion. But on the other hand, for example you and FLooDW and several others are taking their time to find solutions, to answer again and again and individually and user friendly. Porters or devs, if they are not also and additionally answer regularly in their threads, are spending their time with the roms they provide. So I think, if you/we request a bit time from the other users, that would not only be fair. It would also show a kind or certain respect to the time and effort other users are spending to support the others in which way ever....
Beside of that I personally would appreciate and prefer that this thread would be pinned here in the dev section...
Just my thoughts....
I'm just going to go ahead and ping @Trafalgar Square
I have an idea (not a very good / original one) that there is a pinned post in dev section that links to this thread. Not exactly this thread goes onto every forum, more of the pinned post redirects here
or if possible, rodman 's suggestion
Alexander_the_B0ss said:
Let me give you my 2cents:
The thread, no doubt, is in the wrong forum, but it should be pinned and given the highest priority. It is so effin useful.
The idea behind it is so good. Really. It makes me jealous. I will try and formulate some examples for @noc.jfcbs to add to the OP to further help newbies.
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@Alexander_the_B0ss: I'm getting shyly by your kind words but looking forward to your highly appreciated advice and suggestions.