Im having problems with Google Talk on my phone.
Normally, if u start a chat. and the other person is talking back, u should see the txt under your own txt. But i only see it as a balloon in my top-tray of the phone and do not see the txt written by the other person in the chat overview.
Anyone knows how to solve this?
mvenneker said:
Im having problems with Google Talk on my phone.
Normally, if u start a chat. and the other person is talking back, u should see the txt under your own txt. But i only see it as a balloon in my top-tray of the phone and do not see the txt written by the other person in the chat overview.
Anyone knows how to solve this?
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My gf and I also have Galaxy S phones. Her device is running on I9000XXJFB firmware, mine is on I9000XWJM2. Shes having kinda like the same problem with GTalk: the screen is splitted to 2 sides (top&bottom), instead of how mine works (the good old conversation-look, when A-B-A-B persons messages follow each other).
Maybe its firmware-dependent? I did not find any option to change the layout in the settings menu.
Firmware is probably a good bet. If you want to hold off, have you tested to see what happens if you turn the setting balloon top-tray setting off? Would you see nothing at all? Or would it populate the message how it should.
You probably want the best of both worlds, it's worth a quick test if you have any reason to delay upgrading firmware.
disabling the notification button in the toptray would be a bummer anyway because then i wouldnt be notified if somebody is messaging me.
i downloaded a beta version of Hi GTalk from the market. which is working as it should work so i guess my problem isnt solved with Talk it self, but with installing an alternative app.
i think you'd still receive the sound notification. As long as you are going an alternative app route, i'd. consider uninstalling and reinstalling GTalk, it might just be corrupted.
good point. i will uninstall it and reinstall.
[edit] hehe i cant uninstall it. its "in the factoryrom" so i see. i dont see it at the installed programs list..?
gtalk still problem
Hi, I have the same problem with gtalk, also after upgrade to Froyo any ideas ?
solution
Solution:
Change time zone to the right location unbelievable, but it works !!! layout is dependent on internal time zone.
Good luck
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Evan Charlton released a big update to his awesome app for those of us lucky enough to have Google Voice accounts, go grab it!
Hopefully this is appropriate for this forum, if not, sorry, I just wanted to tell anyone else who has been waiting for an update like me!
Tommy
The release notes and documentation can be found here:
http://docs.evancharlton.com/docs/GV
Updating early this morning and I can't say I'm too happy with it. It keeps getting stuck at the setup screen and I can't get into the actual application. The only way I've been able to send an SMS through it is by removing the native Messaging app from default and using Contacts to send an SMS. Only then do I get an option to send through GV.
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Updating early this morning and I can't say I'm too happy with it. It keeps getting stuck at the setup screen and I can't get into the actual application. The only way I've been able to send an SMS through it is by removing the native Messaging app from default and using Contacts to send an SMS. Only then do I get an option to send through GV.
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reboot your g1 and that fixes the settings screen getting stuck. I ran into this problem as well.
Only issue i'm having now is dialing out a number takes a long time, > 30secs even with pin turned off.
dwang said:
reboot your g1 and that fixes the settings screen getting stuck. I ran into this problem as well.
Only issue i'm having now is dialing out a number takes a long time, > 30secs even with pin turned off.
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Still didn't fix it. I'm going to try uninstalling and reinstalling.
Edit: Still busted. I'm at a complete loss as what to try next.
Edit 2: Wow I feel stupid. I emailed Evan for help and got this:
Evan said:
The application will not let you run it until all settings have been
filled in. If you're running the latest version from the Market, any
setting with a "*" in front of it has not yet been filled in.
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I didn't bother filling in the entry for Google PIN because I selected not to use it but the software still checks to make sure it's filled in. It's like an idiot filter and I failed miserably.
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Still didn't fix it. I'm going to try uninstalling and reinstalling.
Edit: Still busted. I'm at a complete loss as what to try next.
Edit 2: Wow I feel stupid. I emailed Evan for help and got this:
I didn't bother filling in the entry for Google PIN because I selected not to use it but the software still checks to make sure it's filled in. It's like an idiot filter and I failed miserably.
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Probably not worth blaming yourself for that one. Sounds like the software isn't that clear. If it doesn't need the pin, it shouldn't need to check for it.
Has it stopped working for anyone since the newest update?
GV calls failing with error message
GV stopped working for me after the latest update a few days back. All attempts at outbound calls result in a message that says "The cost of this call is 4 cents a minute" followed by disconnect beeps. Unsure of whats going on. Maybe google changed something on him.
Would love to get it working again, just made the switch to routing all calls through GV after the previous update and then this one comes out and I lost all connectivity.
Good news is that you can download all previous versions from the link a couple of posts above. I'm trying it now.
GV working for me again...
It appears that GV is now working again. From what I've seen the failures are intermittent across all versions. I'm guessing Google is fiddling with things on their end and temporarily killing Evan's app.
Wonder if they're making their own...
GV seemed to hurt performance
I was a big fan of his GrandCentral app. When he made the GV v2 app, I was looking forward to lots of functionality which it has, but it always seemed to severely degrade my phone's UI responsiveness and when it really got bad, I would get Force Close/Wait windows for GV.
I've unloaded it and am waiting for another big release to try it again.
I found a change log with download links on his website: http://evancharlton.com/projects/gv/
Apparently that error has been corrected.
yomamaster said:
I was a big fan of his GrandCentral app. When he made the GV v2 app, I was looking forward to lots of functionality which it has, but it always seemed to severely degrade my phone's UI responsiveness and when it really got bad, I would get Force Close/Wait windows for GV.
I've unloaded it and am waiting for another big release to try it again.
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yeah i agree, gv seems to make my phone sluggish as well.
brandenk said:
I found a change log with download links on his website: http://evancharlton.com/projects/gv/
Apparently that error has been corrected.
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Now I get this error:
USSD Code Running.....
Connection Problem of Invalid MMI code
$.04 a minute crap is back again.
Well... after committing to routing all my calls through GV and having GREAT SUCCESS!!! for about a week the dreaded "The cost of this call is 4 cents a minute" - BEEP BEEP BEEP is back again.
Had to stop routing all calls through GV to ensure I'm not missing any important calls. This is very frustrating as I love the app and really love cutting down on costs. Can't wait until GV is 100% stable. I still think Evan's app is not the problem, rather Google fiddling with something on their end which in turn breaks GV.
Anyone who has further insight throw your two cents in here.
On a side note, I wonder if Evan is aware of XDA-DEV? Wonder if we'd be of any help to him, or if he'd be a good contributor here.
" $.04 a minute crap is back again".
is that local calls or long distance out of country?
I've had zero troubles with GV; it's more than likely GOOG is doing something with their code.
GV error...
.04 cents a minute is happening for local calls within my home area code. I'm nearly certain its Google's fault... wonder if this is a sign they're working on mobile client as well?
I'm an idiot.
Finally figured out whats happening with the error I metioned earlier in this post. The 4 cents a minute error happens when I try to call a contact that doesn't have an area code in the number. For instance 456-7890 instead of 123-456-7890 triggers the error.
Overall the GV app is great. Very stable and full of great features. Two things I'd like to see. Support for a search function in contacts is a big one. Integration of my GV contacts with my other google account contacts is another. The former is on Evan to develop. The latter is all Google and I hope they hurry up with that.
Also - just discovered that GV has some widget features in the new Hero theme, never saw them before, not sure if they were there or not.
Official Google Voice App?
Looks like Google INC. Just rolled out a google voice application on the market
http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.google.android.apps.googlevoice
EDIT: woot just got GV invite!
And it looks like they are going to offer voip callout too. The S is about to hit the fan in regards to Google's relationship with carriers.
This is a bigger deal than Chrome OS imo.
Register yourself here. Only 500 beta users! http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/04/viber-to-release-free-calling-messaging-app-for-android-this-week/
Thank-you, managed to grab a copy, seems like a offer not to miss. Working well thus far.
OMG!!.. Thanks!!!
already closed :/
Just tried from my DHD with some Iphone users works awesome guys !
http://www.viber.com/android-beta/
Edit: Those subscribers who are registered before the BETA Release can get a CODE just click on the link.
I got no mail from VIBER but i was registered before the beta release and got my code so try it!
i downloaded now on xperia x10, I have to test, but the app is well installed.
this link appears, but it doesnt work, if you dont fill in the form !!!
http://www.viber.com/download
For whatever reason, Viber just WON'T send me my access code! ><" Not even after I go to the "Get Code" part...ToT
edit: nevermind, I guess they just ran out of beta codes, so I'll most likely have to wait till they send me mine in the next few weeks.
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For whatever reason, Viber just WON'T send me my access code! ><" Not even after I go to the "Get Code" part...ToT
edit: nevermind, I guess they just ran out of beta codes, so I'll most likely have to wait till they send me mine in the next few weeks.
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you have to fill in this form, if you had registered as beta tester:
http://www.viber.com/android-beta/
and you will get the right link for the good app
chriscx said:
you have to fill in this form, if you had registered as beta tester:
http://www.viber.com/android-beta/
and you will get the right link for the good app
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Already did that, I have the APK and it installed fine. My problem is that my access code is never sent to me, hence I can't verify my account.
Hi everyone,
We (Viber) are just as excited as you are for our new beta.
We're thankful for your feedbacks, and hoping you are finding it useful!
A few messages and clarifications:
1. Although I'm following this thread, we would like to ask you to post all your technical issues and suggestions in our official Android webpage: blog.viber.com/viber-beta-support
2. For those who are not receiving the code or getting the error message saying they need to subscribe: the only way for you to successfully install our beta is to have subscribed, and wait for our official invitation email. Otherwise your email and number won't have been activated, thus you're blocked (we didn't want our .APK to simply be open to EVERYONE in the world). Please wait patiently. It might take up to a week, but you should eventually receive the email and use it freely.
3. If you haven't subscribed in the official way yet, you can still do it here and wait for our email: eepurl.com/bW1Ln
For other info or questions, I'm here!
Best regards,
Viber.
I registered even before december last year and didnt get a beta invite yet... so probably its still too early to get really excited, as there are thousands of people that registered later... especially over the last time.
Makes only sense of course if they send out the codes in the order as people registered.
EDIT:
I have to correct myself. i never got an invite email from viber, but using the email i used back then to subscribe i could register here http://www.viber.com/android-beta/ without any problems. i just had to try some email addresses as i didnt know anymore which one i used back then. I didnt recive a sms but the activation call worked without any problems.
So yeah, even if you didnt get an invitation mail it might work. And YES, i checked my spamfolder before!
Viber Team said:
Hi everyone,
We (Viber) are just as excited as you are for our new beta.
We're thankful for your feedbacks, and hoping you are finding it useful!
A few messages and clarifications:
1. Although I'm following this thread, we would like to ask you to post all your technical issues and suggestions in our official Android webpage: blog.viber.com/viber-beta-support
2. For those who are not receiving the code or getting the error message saying they need to subscribe: the only way for you to successfully install our beta is to have subscribed, and wait for our official invitation email. Otherwise your email and number won't have been activated, thus you're blocked (we didn't want our .APK to simply be open to EVERYONE in the world). Please wait patiently. It might take up to a week, but you should eventually receive the email and use it freely.
3. If you haven't subscribed in the official way yet, you can still do it here and wait for our email: eepurl.com/bW1Ln
For other info or questions, I'm here!
Best regards,
Viber.
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Hi there.
Why do I see the Viber logo in the notification. Isn't there any possibility to turn it off?
I thought you receive your calls and messages through push notification?
Bizzy_B said:
Hi there.
Why do I see the Viber logo in the notification. Isn't there any possibility to turn it off?
I thought you receive your calls and messages through push notification?
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I think thats kinda annoying too. if every running service would show an icon, there would be no space left...
As the service is always running in the background anyway, there is simply no need to show the symbol all the time.
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I think thats kinda annoying too. if every running service would show an icon, there would be no space left...
As the service is always running in the background anyway, there is simply no need to show the symbol all the time.
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Well i think we need that icon to see if the Viber Server in ONLINE or OFFLINE i like it !
I found a problem VIBER , when someone calls me when i try to Accept the call i have to touch the Accept button and wait a little then swipe it to right side, if i swipe immediately the call is Rejected and doesnt inform the other side (the caller) that i Rejected his call.
burimii said:
Well i think we need that icon to see if the Viber Server in ONLINE or OFFLINE i like it !
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Thats kinda redundant, as you should safely assume that you are connected to viber as long as you have an online connection... if its usual that you cant connect to viber while having an online connection, it basically means the service isn't very reliable.
Just applied for both me and the missus. Hope we get in.
x潮騒x said:
Thats kinda redundant, as you should safely assume that you are connected to viber as long as you have an online connection... if its usual that you cant connect to viber while having an online connection, it basically means the service isn't very reliable.
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For me, the WhatsApp solution is way better. Even if I quit the app with ATK, I get my mails pushed. I don't even see Viber in ATK.
That's quite unacceptable for me.
Zhe rest of the app is fine for me.
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For me, the WhatsApp solution is way better. Even if I quit the app with ATK, I get my mails pushed. I don't even see Viber in ATK.
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if you quit the WhatsApp client, the WhatsApp service is still running... i dont get your point. Whats the problem with services running in the background anyway? As long as they are not eating up your battery which shouldn't be the case if they are properly programmed.
i mean as long as they dont eat up space in the notification bar
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if you quit the WhatsApp client, the WhatsApp service is still running... i dont get your point. Whats the problem with services running in the background anyway? As long as they are not eating up your battery which shouldn't be the case if they are properly programmed.
i mean as long as they dont eat up space in the notification bar
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Homez, I know that Viber is not really draining my battery, I just don't want to see the logo in the notification bar. The application can run in the background, it can even run besides me if it wants. I just want my notification bar clean ;-)
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Homez, I know that Viber is not really draining my battery, I just don't want to see the logo in the notification bar. The application can run in the background, it can even run besides me if it wants. I just want my notification bar clean ;-)
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its gone in the newest beta! Thanks!
And i got an invitation mail to the beta today... a little bit late regarding i am using the beta already since last week. And it works really good for me... besides not deactivating the screen while calling (proximity sensor) but im sure they will fix this soon.
I've been using Go Dialler/Contacts for well over a year, previously on my HTC desire and it had the same issue back then where it wouldn't register the cleared missed calls, so if you got a missed call, it would say 1 missed call, then you would check the missed call and the notification would go. Then if you got another missed call (and only 1) it would then say 2 missed calls, this would go on and on until you restarted the phone. On the desire I solved this by putting the app in system/app with root explorer.
Another annoyance is that when you dial or try to save a number, it automatically puts spaces between digits where country/area code are. I like to keep my numbers all in the same format, that means no spaces or anything, so just +XXXXXXXXXX
I use my phone for business so save a lot of numbers, this is going to be a pain to have to edit each number while saving a contact.
So just wondering, since go dialler/contacts hasn't been updated since nov '12, is there any newer and better alternatives that work the same way with the dialler predictions (and having latest dialled show up smartly when composing new message in GO SMS also - this is handy!) but which don't have the annoyances?
Any feedback appreciated!
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I've been using Go Dialler/Contacts for well over a year, previously on my HTC desire and it had the same issue back then where it wouldn't register the cleared missed calls, so if you got a missed call, it would say 1 missed call, then you would check the missed call and the notification would go. Then if you got another missed call (and only 1) it would then say 2 missed calls, this would go on and on until you restarted the phone. On the desire I solved this by putting the app in system/app with root explorer.
Another annoyance is that when you dial or try to save a number, it automatically puts spaces between digits where country/area code are. I like to keep my numbers all in the same format, that means no spaces or anything, so just +XXXXXXXXXX
I use my phone for business so save a lot of numbers, this is going to be a pain to have to edit each number while saving a contact.
So just wondering, since go dialler/contacts hasn't been updated since nov '12, is there any newer and better alternatives that work the same way with the dialler predictions (and having latest dialled show up smartly when composing new message in GO SMS also - this is handy!) but which don't have the annoyances?
Any feedback appreciated!
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I am new to the world of Android, having previously been a RIM and iOS user. However, since coming over to Android and seeing the open nature of the platform...loving it. Anyway, back to the matter in hand....Contacts+ works brilliantly, I would suggest giving it a look :good:
I use 'ExDialer & Contacts' app
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5tb2Rvb2h1dC5kaWFsZXIiXQ..
Very simply themable dialler and contacts app.
Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know what this means?
"This is a trial version with 7 days trial period. When the trial period expired, you will be asked to buy PRO version. You can still keep trying if you haven't decided to buy"
So is it free to keep using or what? Do they keep bugging you to upgrade/pay?
I don't have experience of it,but I would guess you will get nags to upgrade, although with what frequency I couldn't say. I think that is one of the reasons I stuck with contacts+...it's free! That and the integration with FB, it's merge facility etc
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Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know what this means?
"This is a trial version with 7 days trial period. When the trial period expired, you will be asked to buy PRO version. You can still keep trying if you haven't decided to buy"
So is it free to keep using or what? Do they keep bugging you to upgrade/pay?
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Going to try out exdialer first I think, seems to have a lot of recommendations from what I've seen, first impressions are good anyway and it's solved the issue of the number having the spaced put automatically. I think the missed call issue might be in every dialler so I might have to put it in system app
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Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know what this means?
"This is a trial version with 7 days trial period. When the trial period expired, you will be asked to buy PRO version. You can still keep trying if you haven't decided to buy"
So is it free to keep using or what? Do they keep bugging you to upgrade/pay?
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Is free but every 7 days when you next open the dialler it will show a screen asking if you want to buy the full version.
Very easy to ignore if you don't want to pay for the full version.
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thanks, every 7 days, so 52 notifications a year, hmm, seems a bit much
It used to come up daily but i think the developer changed it to 7 days because too many people complained!
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Thanks, I'll give it a trial anyway and see how it fares.
Try Dialer One, a very nice app.
Thanks, it actually turns out that ex dialler doesn't solve the issue with numbers being automatically formatted with spaces etc also, the add contact screen is a bit messy of exdialler, I find go contacts better in that regard, go may even be slightly faster?
Would anyone know how to get around the auto formatting at all? There's an option in exdialler not to use area codes or something which I thought would help but it doesn't.
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Thanks, it actually turns out that ex dialler doesn't solve the issue with numbers being automatically formatted with spaces etc also, the add contact screen is a bit messy of exdialler, I find go contacts better in that regard, go may even be slightly faster?
Would anyone know how to get around the auto formatting at all? There's an option in exdialler not to use area codes or something which I thought would help but it doesn't.
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I don't find a problem with the spaces in the numbers so can't help with that one!
Regarding the add contact, when I click on the + button to add a contact it takes me to my default Motorola add contact screen (which is also messy!) so I'm not sure there is anything I can do about that.
When you add a contact is it taking to you an ex dialler add contact screen?
Yes, I downloaded Ex Dialler and Contacts (I'm not sure if there's a simple "ex dialer" link without the contacts?) but now I can choose either ex dialer contacts or go contacts. Unless ex dialer is using the motorola contacts?
Have now tried dialer1 and contacts+.
Contacts+ is a bit overkill for me and not customisable to get rid of contact pictures, change font etc so it just looks too clunky for me.
I'm very happy with Dialer 1, but there's two things I miss from Go Contacts:
1) The ability to search part names, so say for example you had a contact saved with a long, easily forgetable name, something like josternberg and you could never remember it, but you knew part of his name was "stern", that if you type 78376 it would show up. Unfortunately at the moment it doesn't, but it does in other aps (Go Contacts/Dialer and Contacts+). This would be especially useful for anyone who has saved contacts without putting spaces between certain words. So imagine I had a few hundred android developers phone numbers and saved them as: androiddevappname, I could get to all dialer contacts by typing "342537" for dialer, even though it's surrounded by other characters.
2) Alphabet scrolling in the contact window. At the moment there's only a little green bar that can be scrolled down/up. In Go Contacts/Dialer, there was a permanent alphabet sidebar (small but capable) which you could hit any letter to get to that section of your contacts. I've over 1,000 contacts saved with a sequential first name code starting with VTA (for my business) and after saving a new contact, I used to be able to quickly to the letter "w" scroll up a step and check that the new contact I saved was there, two actions but without the alphabet bar it's going to take a bit of scrolling to get there.
Also waiting on the release of light theme
I am pretty sure you can enable smart dialing in dialerOne settings...
Thanks negus, yes dialer1 does have smart dialing, but will only work at the start of each name, so say if I had you saved in my phone as "xdaforum negus40", I'd be able to find you by numbering in N E G U S or X D A, but not by numbering in U S 4 0 or F O R U M. I sent the dialer 1 team an email which they replied to quickly saying they'll look into adding these functions
iN MY notifications, It says I have a new voice mail and I cant swipe it away, it just bounces back.
Any idea how to get rid of it? Iv also tried to click on it. Opens the voicemail but still notification.
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iN MY notifications, It says I have a new voice mail and I cant swipe it away, it just bounces back.
Any idea how to get rid of it? Iv also tried to click on it. Opens the voicemail but still notification.
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I assume you are referring to mike1986? ... You'd be better asking in the ROM thread as more people will see it and no doubt help much quicker.
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I assume you are referring to mike1986? ... You'd be better asking in the ROM thread as more people will see it and no doubt help much quicker.
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Yeha, I would however I cannot post there for some reason, I think I need a higher post count, So i would have to refer to this section.. I think its quite silly that they put the post count limit on.. however I guess its understandable for when newbies ask silly questions.
Try saving or deleting the voicemail instead of just dismissing it. That always seems to work for me.
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i doubt that it will be a glitch in mikes rom only. mikes roms are just stock with no modifications . so if there is a glitch it should be available on all roms.
Yeah thats the thing, there was no voice mail, it just asked to set it up. Which I did, but notification was still there.
I tried to turn it off however it came back when I turned it back on.
I managed to get rid of it by clearing the cache from the settings -> apps.
I seem to be hearing a small pop noise from speaker... normal?
Hi guys. (My english isn't the best)
I have a very important question. Sometimes if i watch a YouTube Video in the YouTube App and want to clear my latest app history, an anonymus call from the dialer pops up with a red button to end the call (like a normal phone call). But there is no number on the screen. There is nothing. After a few Seconds, this screen closes automaticly. In the recent tab is no dialer app or anything else. Not even in the dialer history is an information about this secret call.
I'm not alone with this problem. Here is another Thread with the same problem: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/background-call-t3629232/page1
If anyone knows something about this, please let me know.
CurryPlayer said:
Hi guys. (My english isn't the best)
I have a very important question. Sometimes if i watch a YouTube Video in the YouTube App and want to clear my latest app history, an anonymus call from the dialer pops up with a red button to end the call (like a normal phone call). But there is no number on the screen. There is nothing. After a few Seconds, this screen closes automaticly. In the recent tab is no dialer app or anything else. Not even in the dialer history is an information about this secret call.
I'm not alone with this problem. Here is another Thread with the same problem: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/background-call-t3629232/page1
If anyone knows something about this, please let me know.
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Sounds like a bug or malicious software. You should backup your phone then do method 2 here https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/guide-mega-unbrick-guide-hard-bricked-t3405700. Don't restore data yet and test, just update to latest. If the error persists it is a bug, if it doesn't it was probably malware.
Try to get a screenshot of it. Can't help if we don't know what it is.
But yeah it's probably malware.
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Try to get a screenshot of it. Can't help if we don't know what it is.
But yeah it's probably malware.
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Here is a screenshot. I don't know why this happened. I wiped my phone completely 4 days ago and this even comes up.