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I don't know if it's me or setting "Home app in memory" on CM drains waaay more battery.
I have 1600 mAh battery that usually lasts 8 AM to midnight and still has 20-30% left. Whereas when I set my phone to keep home app in memory, the battery is under 50% before noon.
It sure will!
And this is why:
When you run a new program and the memory is filled, things need to be dumped from ram to make space.
The home application ONLY needs to be run while you are on the desktop -- it doesn't actually do anything when you have some other application in the foreground. If you force it to stay loaded in memory, then other things (background processes) will get dumped from memory instead -- things that need to be running more or less all the time. So what happens when you force the home application to stay in memory, is that these background processes get into a crazy cycle of constantly trying to RELOAD. Maybe bumping some other stuff out of memory to do so, causing those other things to get into constantly trying to reload. In other words, it causes a much higher CPU load and eats up your batter.
Makes sense, but is there anything that could help, like enabling compcache or swap?
lbcoder said:
It sure will!
And this is why:
When you run a new program and the memory is filled, things need to be dumped from ram to make space.
The home application ONLY needs to be run while you are on the desktop -- it doesn't actually do anything when you have some other application in the foreground. If you force it to stay loaded in memory, then other things (background processes) will get dumped from memory instead -- things that need to be running more or less all the time. So what happens when you force the home application to stay in memory, is that these background processes get into a crazy cycle of constantly trying to RELOAD. Maybe bumping some other stuff out of memory to do so, causing those other things to get into constantly trying to reload. In other words, it causes a much higher CPU load and eats up your batter.
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Wow...great explanation. Thanks! I'll disable this setting then.
Neejay said:
Wow...great explanation. Thanks! I'll disable this setting then.
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It's a trade-off. For me returning to the home from any app is way to slow unless I have that feature enabled.
Maybe it's because I have a widget and 8 icons on the main screen?
I have 2 widgets and 4 icons on home screen (total of 7 widgets and 25 icons on 5 screens) so for me disabling "keep home in memory" is not even an option lol
Even just having a lot of applications installed will make it take longer for launcher to start up.... it has to scan through all the programs installed, figure out what icon to use (and deal with it), figure out what name to use, build the menu, etc., etc., etc.
wheres the option for this?
You can find it in Spare Parts app on several ROMs (I use CM).
Hi guys, I got my milestone for 2-3 weeks now. At first I didn't have redraws but I just can't escape them now
Using launcher pro or adw doesn't change anyhing.
I tried to check the stay in memory thing but it still get killed and it redraws.
My main concern is for sms and calls. During the redraw I don't get notifications and phone function is too slow to come.
I never had this problem with my hero...
I overclocked to 1ghz 60 fev but it's the same with and without.
My rom is the lastest cyanogenmod 6.1
I tried changing local.prop with ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=1 but it sounded like Home wasn't dying but messaging was.
I have exactly 132 applications.
Homes and vital apps like astro or setcpu etc ... are in internal memory.
I tried changing the VM size to 32 by using cyanogenmod (its 32 by default)
and by openrecovery but it doesnt change anything.
I tried to uninstall adw leaving only launcher pro but is was the same.
Maybe I am missing some information ?
It's just awful, just checking my messages with handcent results with a redraw. (it isn't occuring now, maybe is it because widgets are not put back?)
Does anybody have a solution?
I just wiped my data in order to check with a brand new partition but it's the same.
Maybe there is a magic combinaison with the option to keep home in ram of cyanogenmod and the one of the homes ?
I don't know but I just can't operate my milestone normally.
If anybody has an idea or whatever.. just help me
maybe it's cuz I have 7 screens ? Oh come on I live that way for a long time when I used sense ^^
Had the problem before.
First thing I did was setting LP memory usage settings well: cache at light & light preset. +clear caches on exit. 'Keep in memory' in LP is checked.
in CM performace settings I have only 'lock home in memory' checked. VM heap size is deault (32)
ADW uninstalled. Did you check if you have any useless processes running in background?
yup Im using advanced task killer.
I just tried the command again and it seems to work.
I will test more ...
Thank's
Bump, I managed to stop redraws by setting memory usage preset to moderate, not checking the prevent force-closes . I just checked the keep in memory in the general section.
ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=1 is ON but without the "keep in memory" messages die, and same for phone
I don't have any more redraws but I can't play some games like angry birds !!
Games eating too much memory just can't manage to load completly.
Does anybody here manages to load angry bird or intense eating game with no redraws ??
I mean if I don't check the keep in memory sending a message or calling someone redraws ... It's unbearable.
BTW, I activated the
Are 7 screens too much for this phone .
Damn my hero just worked way better wtf !!!
Any idea guys ?
:'(
If anybody have 7 screens or less and doesn't have any redraw please tell me :'(
bu-bump anyone guys ?
how much free memory is it displayed in running services? Launcherpro used to redraw on me like 65000 times a minute. you just have to remove all those services by uninstalling the crap out of your phone and leaving some free memory and space on internal storage, and you should have less redraws.
I believe these are problems with the leaked 2.2.1 kernel because the phone was behaving better on eclair
On my LG Revolution My SystemPanel App shows about 350 MB memory and 12 GB on the SD card. It also cites System Storage 1 GB, Application Storage 1.5 GB and Cache 193 MB. The SuperBox app shows 1.5 GB "Phone" memory. With about 25 applications "active" and several widgets installed, I still have 134 MB memory left
So far I've found the battery life not great, definitely have to charge during the day with 4lte and wifi on.
Noticed a bunch of the bloatware widgets took up memory even when I deleted them from the homescreen. Used TitaniumBackup to Freeze
Apps I've frozen with no apparent problems (yet).
411 Search
AutoRun
Backup Assistant
Bing
BitBop
Blockbuster
Bookmarks Widget
City ID
com.android.LGSetupWizard
com.android.providers.applications
come.lge.mobilehotspot
DeskHome
Digital Clock Widget
Email
Email Widget
Friends+ Widget
Guided tours
Home 2.2.2
In Touch Widget
Lets Golf
LGWirelessChargingService
LTE Test Application
Message Widget
Mobile IM
Music Visualization Wallpapers
Netflix
News 1.0
Polaris Office
Rhapsody
Rock Band
Setup Wizard
SmartShare
Software update
Sync Service
Today+Widget
VCast Apps
VCast Media Manager
VZ Navigator
Weather
What's New
What's New Widget
Wi-Fi control widget
World clock widget
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On my LG Revolution My SystemPanel App shows about 350 MB memory and 12 GB on the SD card. It also cites System Storage 1 GB, Application Storage 1.5 GB and Cache 193 MB. The SuperBox app shows 1.5 GB "Phone" memory. With about 25 applications "active" and several widgets installed, I still have 134 MB memory left
So far I've found the battery life not great, definitely have to charge during the day with 4lte and wifi on.
Noticed a bunch of the bloatware widgets took up memory even when I deleted them from the homescreen. Used TitaniumBackup to Freeze
Apps I've frozen with no apparent problems (yet).
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Ya, coming from the incredible, even stock I would have 100-150 mbs of ram, and rooted I'd have usually 180-210. This phone, having the same amount of ram as that, will be anywhere from 30-100 usually. That's some pretty bad bloat.
In 3g only network, the phone actually has a really good battery(compared to the incredible), I can go all day without root so far, the baddest part is the % i lose just sitting there without use and the screen off, it sucks.
And have you been able to assign Google where Bing had priority before? I have the bing search relatively good, just really laggy.
Thanks for this list! I had started to experiment but kept it on the safe side since we don't have a recovery yet.
I noticed that there is quite a bit more listed in Bloat Freezer over Titanium which was my first freeze app. I tried Bloat Freezer when I noticed that some things that were frozen were still showing running processes.
A couple of notes to add on to this -- I'm running Go Launcher and cannot use any of the LG specific widgets, Friends+, What's New, etc. but:
What's New is still running and has functionality beyond the What's New widget. I forget the details but I think on a missed call I got the What's New app to display missed call, sms and email count from the pull down alerts. It was late and I didn't think twice about it until the next day (which is what prompted me to find out what was still running in the background even though I'm using Go Launcher.
I'm not sure exactly which Verizon app is responsible, but i recently unfroze all Verizon specific apps while experimenting and I was prompted to try the new data usage widget from Verizon. When I originally froze all these apps, that widget had stopped working in stock home. So it is not dependent on your home/launcher, but it is dependent on one of the VZ apps.
I'm tempted to just go down your list and freeze everything all at once, but maybe I'll do it in small batches and report back any findings.
Again, thanks for the list!
Wow, that is a ton of frozen bloatpops... didn't think too much of it but that's more apps than i had on my Inc. total on CM.. lol.
Sent from my VS910 4G using Tapatalk
hmm.. how to restore search button?
I can confirm the following, as well:
DeskHome
Digital Clock widget
Email
Email widget
finance
friends+ widget
guided tours
home 2.2.2
lg keyboard
lgwirelesschargingservice
news 1.0
rhapsody
slacker
sns
v cast apps
v cast media manager
vs navigator
vzw package installer
vzw sms filter
vzwservice
weather
world clock widget
I also just completely uninstalled bing search + bing voice.
I seem to be experiencing a couple issues:
1. Search button did not remap to Google Search... so it does nothing at all
2. Lockscreen music controller seems to control a separate instance of the notification area music controller
Avail: 154MB +29MB in 4
(bah!)
I've gone through most of these without a problem -- the last one is VZWSERVICE which is now repeatedly popping up:
Sorry!
The application com.vzw.push.vzwservice (process com.vzw.push.vzwservice) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again.
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Every time I click on "force close" it just pops up again. I'm about to pull the battery.
...
Rebooted OK.
I'll add a few more to the list:
Amazon Kindle
Bing Voice
Quick Reference Guide
User Guide
I'm curious though what purpose do these serve:
SNS
VZW SMS Filter
VZWService
I have them frozen and already recieved an SMS, so no hindrance there. I recognize the SNS icon from when I first got the phone (one of the widgets I think). I can't see any effect of having them frozen other than the obvious of course.
Be careful with these, I used Bloat Freezer to freeze a small subset of the apps listed in this thread (and none others) and now don't have a home screen. I turn on the phone, slide to unlock, and then the screen is black (normal indicator icons at the top). Holding home gets me to a recent apps page with no recent apps. Nothing else does anything, I can't even turn off the phone without taking the battery out. Any ideas?
the ones i posted can be frozen with no incident.
of course i use a custom launcher (launcher pro) so i can't attest to the home screen working
however, after freezing some other apps listed in other posts my bluetooth wouldn't work...
I use Go Launcher and I was able to add a few to the lists above:
Tunewiki
Sync Service
Mobile IM
Messaging Widget
Messaging (I use GO SMS)
Does anyone know what the LG and Verizon hidden menus processes are?
System seems a lot faster now and has better battery as far as I can tell.
Only issue I can think of, is that When I have my BT earpiece on and connected, I can not seem to get music out of the 3.5mm jack and into the car's aux.
Anyone else have this problem? What is the solution?
What wifi tether is everyone using? My market won't update. So if anyone can post an apk that'd be great.
Also don't freeze autorun 1.0 i think it is. That is the connectivity option for our usb and hdmi slots. Without that it'll work but you can't change the options ever. So you'll be stuck with hdmi off or on and usb charge only cause i think it always starts as.
Little Buddy Sr.
OP:...just a thought, take it or leave it haha
It would be greatly appreciated if you could update the list every so often with new ones added throughout the thread. Then maybe this could become a sticky at some point.
Also:
Anyone else realize Latitude and Twitter for LG doesnt show up in Ti Backup yet is running every once in awhile.... or maybe it's just my phone?
Um I don't even remember twitter being on my phone, I use bloatfreezer and pretty much froze everything on the OP list. I don't think there is to much else that you want to freeze with out risking your phone
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Be careful with these, I used Bloat Freezer to freeze a small subset of the apps listed in this thread (and none others) and now don't have a home screen. I turn on the phone, slide to unlock, and then the screen is black (normal indicator icons at the top). Holding home gets me to a recent apps page with no recent apps. Nothing else does anything, I can't even turn off the phone without taking the battery out. Any ideas?
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If you use the stock launcher and then freeze Home 2.2.2 then you will have no home screen.
I use Go launcher EX so I was able to freeze home with no problems.
Only thing I can think of is a factory reset. But I'm sure others have better ideas.
I don't think Twitter for LG (or anything for LG) is active without the LG Home active.
I left lg home active, twitter doesn't show up anywhere in bloatfreezer. I have nothing on my phone that even refers to twitter.
Yea i'm not really sure where it's at. I think it's a sub-app(?) of something like one of those facebook/twitter/etc feed widgets. But every so often it shows up in my "running" folder on Go Launcher EX, and I used to see it in my task killer when I had one but i've never seen it on a list anywhere else.
rogue bloat? a new age in ruining our phones haha
As major said, and from what i've seen he's right 99% of the time, I haven't seen it since I froze/.bak LG Home. I'll post a screen shot if I end up seeing it again though
is there a reason that we can not just delete the .apk files from /system/app?
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is there a reason that we can not just delete the .apk files from /system/app?
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we're pretty much able to do that....but the hesitation has been because we have not had a recovery system and it's risky to start deleting any files at all.
However....a recovery system has been through testing lately(yesterday/today) and was released. There's no saying it's perfect but I haven't heard of anyone having big issues. So if you are comfortable with the recovery system available, delete away.
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we're pretty much able to do that....but the hesitation has been because we have not had a recovery system and it's risky to start deleting any files at all.
However....a recovery system has been through testing lately(yesterday/today) and was released. There's no saying it's perfect but I haven't heard of anyone having big issues. So if you are comfortable with the recovery system available, delete away.
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I will pick one up tonight and see what I can do once I get root and CWM on there. I will post my findings.
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Be careful with these, I used Bloat Freezer to freeze a small subset of the apps listed in this thread (and none others) and now don't have a home screen. I turn on the phone, slide to unlock, and then the screen is black (normal indicator icons at the top). Holding home gets me to a recent apps page with no recent apps. Nothing else does anything, I can't even turn off the phone without taking the battery out. Any ideas?
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Hopefully you have this fixed already if not:
not sure if this will work but...connect your phone as a USB and hope it connects as a Mass Storage. Go into data/app and delete the Titanium Backup .apk
No idea if this will work, but it's possible that with TiBackup gone it will unfreeze everything.
Why is my Captivate so laggy?!
It typically takes 3 seconds to get from my homescreen to the dial pad when I click phone and every other app takes at least 3 seconds as well. After the app has been launched, it doesn't take as long to bring it up next time as expected however, having too many apps up lags my phone like crazy and makes it lag even more when opening new apps. I always have at least 50 mb of RAM free. Closing apps and clearing my memory makes it go back to a 3 second open time.
I've used Serendipity 6.x, MIUI, and now I'm on Serendipity 7. Between the time I went from MIUI to Serendipity 7, I hard bricked my phone and got it completely wiped. Even after a fresh clean install, Serendipity continues to lag. EXT4 lagfix is on of course.
Even comparing it to my friend's Fascinate running 2.2, his Fascinate smokes my Captivate by a long shot!
Does anyone have any ideas?
Your memory is kinda low I avg 80mb free. What are you running on your phone? Widgets apps etc. Btw a better tittle would be recommended.
With Facebook, Google Voice, Aim, and Browser running in the background with 0% CPU usage, I have about 50 mb free. I also have 1 widget on every homescreen with 4 homescreens total. If I clear everything, I have about 120 mb free and things are slightly snappier (about 2-3 seConds to open an app) but after I open google voice and Facebook, things get Laggy again.
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With Facebook, Google Voice, Aim, and Browser running in the background with 0% CPU usage, I have about 50 mb free. I also have 1 widget on every homescreen with 4 homescreens total. If I clear everything, I have about 120 mb free and things are slightly snappier (about 2-3 seConds to open an app) but after I open google voice and Facebook, things get Laggy again.
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Theres no way you have all that running and 0% cpu usage. Especially if any of those widgets are live widgets or refresh at any time.
Read the following article on how android uses RAM and what could actually be slowing down your phone. I read this article a few weeks back and sacrificed a few liked (but obviously poorly coded) apps that resulted in me getting better battery life and a faster phone.
Heres the article: http://lifehacker.com/5650894/androi...uldnt-use-them
I don't like have Facebook running it tends to slow down my phone, I just keep the widget on. 80% of the times your phone is laggy or slow because you have alot of things running OR you are using poorly codded apps.
When was the last time u rebooted?
Sorry Facebook, aim, and etc were apps, not widgets. They are usually idle and use 0% if the CPU. As for widgets, I have some beautiful widgets and pure grid calendar widgets. My bad for not specifying. I'll also take a look at the article asap. I'm desperate for better performance lol.
They can't use 0% if u have background data on. Matter of fact, they can't use 0% period if there RUNNING
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They can't use 0% if u have background data on. Matter of fact, they can't use 0% period if there RUNNING
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This. If your phone is on your CPU is running. I mean, it has to process the information from whatever app you are using to view your CPU usage. Make sure to read the part about the CPU in the article and the watchdog app.
Whenever I use chrome on my nook hd plus (running the nook stock software) and press the home button the home screen has to reload it takes like 5 seconds load. It happens with some other apps to but mostly just chrome. Running nova launcher fixes this but I would like to use the stock launcher. I get the nook isn't the most powerful device on the market but
With 1.5ghz dual core proccesor with 1gb of ram it shouldn't have to do that. I've tried task managers on auto kill and even ram managers and apps that modify the built in android task manager (although I dont have root) I tried dolphin browser which seemed to work fine but would rather use chrome. Any way to fix this?
its memory.
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Whenever I use chrome on my nook hd plus (running the nook stock software) and press the home button the home screen has to reload it takes like 5 seconds load.
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Most likely its ram.
Android will unload/suspend background apps when running out of memory. As we all know browsers are memory intensive applications.
in fact the more capable your browser the more memory it will need for pages, images, plugins, additional processes such as flash, js, etc.. .
from the android dev site. application life cycle page , stopped section.
Stopped
The activity is completely obscured by another activity (the activity is now in the "background"). A stopped activity is also still alive (the Activity object is retained in memory, it maintains all state and member information, but is not attached to the window manager). However, it is no longer visible to the user and it can be killed by the system when memory is needed elsewhere.
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Thanks gonna use nova launcher since it dosent take as much ram.