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Hi,
I have just purchased an HD7 and I really like it so far but I have a question regarding some screen distortion I am seeing when I scroll through menu's, apps, etc...
For example (and where it is most noticable although it does happen in other areas as well) when I go to the applications menu (where all apps are located to the right of the Windows screen) and I scroll through the apps from top to bottom, all the writing beside each app icon becomes so distorted while scrolling (almost static like) that you cannot even make out what the words are saying until the scrolling stops and then everything is ledgable again. Is this normal?
On my Galaxy S the scrolling does not affect the font / writing this way at all and even on my old Omnia i910 I dont remember seeing this type of distortion when scrolling.
If someone can please advise me on this I would really appreciate it. Is this normal for this device? Does yours do it? Anyway to fix it?
Thanks
yiannisthegreek
It's normal behaviour but I'm not sure of the cause. From what I've seen, this only happens when using the black theme. If you use the white theme it doesn't happen.
Shadowise said:
It's normal behaviour but I'm not sure of the cause. From what I've seen, this only happens when using the black theme. If you use the white theme it doesn't happen.
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Thank You for the reply. Really? Hmmm... That is odd. I wonder if this will be something that will be fixed in updates perhaps?
I use a black theme and this doesn't happen to me at all. Certainly not to the point it's unreadable.
jimbonics said:
I use a black theme and this doesn't happen to me at all. Certainly not to the point it's unreadable.
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Hmmm... Now Im confused... One person says it happens to him and one says it does not.
Do you experience any distortion of the writing in apps, etc while scrolling? It is minimal when I scroll slowly but when I scroll fast it is quite noticable.
PS... I did also try the white theme and it does not do it in the white theme as was mentioned by the other poster... Only in the Black theme.
I guess I'm not sure what the deal is. When I'm scrolling fast, it could be a million dollar screen with perfect clarity and I STILL wouldn't be able to "read" what was there. I mean, I have 20-20 vision and am a pretty quick reader and I can barely read my chat log scrolling slowly. When scrolling fast enough to "distort" you would have to be able to read about 120 words per second (I scroll through three screens worth of text in less than a second, about 40 words per screen). That's 7200 words per minute which is darn near World Record Speed Reading (not counting those who skim most of it and lose a great deal of comprehension).
I'd just like to say that it's not a major issue for me, but it does happen. When scrolling the app list, the text does fade out, but I don't really see it as much of an issue as the items are moving so fast that you wouldn't be able to read the text at any rate. As the list is alphabetical, I know where I need to stop, I'm not reading the apps one by one as I go along.
I'm not sure now if the OP is experiencing a different issue but he did confirm, as I have, that it doesn't happen in the white theme.
Shadowise said:
I'd just like to say that it's not a major issue for me, but it does happen. When scrolling the app list, the text does fade out, but I don't really see it as much of an issue as the items are moving so fast that you wouldn't be able to read the text at any rate. As the list is alphabetical, I know where I need to stop, I'm not reading the apps one by one as I go along.
I'm not sure now if the OP is experiencing a different issue but he did confirm, as I have, that it doesn't happen in the white theme.
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@Shadowise,
Yes... This is what I am talking about and again Thank You for your answers. I also really notice this when using the People Live Tile and especially in the synced Facebook listing. The text DOES fade out and the smaller the text the more faded it seems to become. Again... This is in the Black theme.
Also, I have noticed while in the People "hub" when scrolling from side to side that the screen itself darkens / dims out while scrolling and it also DOES this in the White theme as well. Is this also normal behavior?
If your not sure what I am talking about then please go into the People tile and just hold your finger on the top of the screen (where it says people in big letters) and slowly slide your finger and you will see the screen darken / dim out as it scrolls - unless there is something wrong with MY device in which case you may not notice what I am talking about.
Please let me know if this happens to you and if this is normal as well. Again... my Android does NOT do these things and so I am not sure if this is normal behavior.
Thanks in advance...
yiannisthegreek
My screen absolutely does not do this. The people tile actualy looks sharper than the apps screen, regardless of how fast I scroll. The screen does not dim out _at all_.
Black background.
It happens over here as well this is due to Motion Blur, the quality of screen used by HTC is poor and this is a known issue with the HTC HD7 and HTC Surround. HTC should have used a better screen specially for its flagship device on the Windows phone 7 platform. But i guess thats the main reason they didn't; the platform is new theres no need to increase costs for a niche emerging market.
Ok... I am confused again... One answer says that this absolutely DOES NOT happen to him and another answer says that it DOES... LOL!!!
This happens because of the 4.3" screen. It's not the best screen in the world. The 4.1" dell venue pro screen never exhibited this behavior and when I switched to the hd7 I noticed it immediately.
It's called response time, it's not fast enough as some other screen, basically it's more prominent while using black theme because it takes full response time (i.e. 8ms) for a pixel to change it colour from black to white and then to black again while you scrolling.
microhaxo said:
This happens because of the 4.3" screen. It's not the best screen in the world. The 4.1" dell venue pro screen never exhibited this behavior and when I switched to the hd7 I noticed it immediately.
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The funny thing is that the more I play with it the more I notice that this only really happens within the stock Microsoft OS apps like People, Zune, etc. When I scroll through other 3rd party apps such as Facebook (actual app and not the synced version in the People tab), FIM (Facebook Instant Messenger), among other 3rd party apps that this fade out / distortion does not take place.
Anyone else find the same?
EDIT... I have confirmed the fade out / screen distortion to again seemingly only to be affecting the Microsoft stock OS apps again after going into Marketplace, Office, (along with the others mentioned above). It does not seem to affect 3rd party apps... Facebook, FIM, Yellowpages, YouTube, etc.
Again... Anyone else find the same or can check?
jimbonics said:
My screen absolutely does not do this. The people tile actualy looks sharper than the apps screen, regardless of how fast I scroll. The screen does not dim out _at all_.
Black background.
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We're not talking about the whole screen, just the text.
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We're not talking about the whole screen, just the text.
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Actually... I am talking about like 3/4 of the entire screen when scrolling from side to side in any Microsoft stock OS App.
Like I said in my previous post... if you go into say the People live tile and place your finger on the top portion of the screen where in big writing it says "people" and just slowly start to move your finger to scroll you will see the bottom half of the entire page / app dim out until you remove your finger or it completes its scroll.
As I said... it does this on my device in EVERY Microsoft STOCK OS app like People, Zune, Marketplace, XBOX Live, etc but in 3rd party apps it does NOT do this. This happens in WHITE theme as well.
To try and reproduce this please go to any Microsoft OS App like "people", press your finger at the top of the page and move your finger side to side in short movements and watch your screen. You should see the dimming effect unless my phone is defective or something.
Please tell me what you find.
i'm pretty sure this is not a bug or an issue, it's just intentional, and it's 100% a software thing, you can see that in many wp7 reviews...
but a different thing is the effect you see scrolling the applist, that one is related to the hd7 screen and you won't see it using, for example, an omnia7
elmerendeiro said:
i'm pretty sure this is not a bug or an issue, it's just intentional, and it's 100% a software thing, you can see that in many wp7 reviews...
but a different thing is the effect you see scrolling the applist, that one is related to the hd7 screen and you won't see it using, for example, an omnia7
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Do you have an HD7? Can you confirm if your screen does the same "dim / fade out" thing in the Microsoft apps as I have described? Also... Why does it not do this in 3rd party apps then like youtube for example? I have even checked the HTC Hub app and in the HTC app store it does not fade / dim out but it sure does in the Microsoft Marketplace app. Weird.
As for the thing you mention about the app list and the screen - well that is my first big dissapointment with this phone. I have a Samsung Galaxy S and of course the SAMOLED is AWESOME but this phone is said to have the S-LCD (Super LCD) display which is supposed to be a pretty good screen too.
Well... I found a youtube link regarding the BLACK theme scrolling words distortion. Here it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RperdOR8y5g
But I have not found anything about the screen fade/dimming in Microsoft apps so I hope one of you out here can reproduce it and tell me my phone is ok (even though it will still kinda suck)... LOL!!!
djpianz said:
It's called response time, it's not fast enough as some other screen, basically it's more prominent while using black theme because it takes full response time (i.e. 8ms) for a pixel to change it colour from black to white and then to black again while you scrolling.
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this is the full reason why ^
I am having trouble with using custom wallpaper and need some input from you fine people. I understand our tab has a resolution of 1024X600 so plain, dumb redneck logic tells me a wallpaper image of that size will fill the screen perfectly and completely. However, that is not the case apparently.
If I put a 1024X600 image on the tab and select it as wallpaper, I am presented with a photo-cropping interface that FORCES me to crop the picture. OK, no biggie, it is high-quality at 300dpi, so I do that and it includes the whole picture I want displayed.
The problem comes when you actually go back to the home screen, the picture has been blown up so damn large that it only shows a small piece of the image.
Does anybody have any real specs on what format the wallaper needs to be in?
I've searched forever regarding this as well...and can't find a straigt answer. What's strange to me is that if you click on a picture on the web, and select set as wallpaper, it will be formatted relatively accurately (there's a little cropping, but not much) if you save the same photo, and set it as wallpaper through the setup screen, it's all zoomed in and cropped horribly.
I've used an app called Wallaby to set wallpapers. you can tell it to NOT resize the image you select, and it works OK.
Basically, what I've found is that even though the resolution is 1024X640, you actually need an image that's more line 1024 wide by 1920...the reason for this is that when you are presented with the "crop" screen, you select a box, but it will only actually show the top 1/3rd of that box as your wallpaper. If you make the box smaller, it will select the top 1/3rd AND zoom in. the odd part for my is that the box is not axis specific...you are only able to crop vertically AND horizontally, not one or the other.
If you pull out a wallpaper image from a rom, you'll see that it's REALLY tall, and the bottom 2/3rds are pretty much blank...that's how it needs to be made in order to look right on the tablet.
so, if you can locate an image that's 1024X1920, it will not zoom in, but it will only show the top 1/3rd of the image on the screen as wallpaper...
Hit up the market for MultiPicture Live Wallpaper. Free app. Easiest way to get the most of your wallpapers back in landscape. Most of the current versions of android are based around Portrait orientation so it crops to fit across a few smaller windows.
For those with newer devices that are landscape oriented, we get screwed. lol But, gladly this app is free to get what you need done at the very least. Has some other interesting features too, need be, but a lot are paid features, I think.
Hope this helps.
Flick ur pics from the market does a really fine job also.
Sent fom my OC'd CM7 gTablet
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Hit up the market for MultiPicture Live Wallpaper. Free app. Easiest way to get the most of your wallpapers back in landscape. Most of the current versions of android are based around Portrait orientation so it crops to fit across a few smaller windows.
For those with newer devices that are landscape oriented, we get screwed. lol But, gladly this app is free to get what you need done at the very least. Has some other interesting features too, need be, but a lot are paid features, I think.
Hope this helps.
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I actually have had multi-picture live since I first got the tab. It does something very strange with BoS. Multi-picture provides for screens 1-7 but the device shows screens 8-14 so it won't even configure correctly at all. I am sure it is the difference in res for screen.
Actually, I have been able to get both 1024X1024 and 1024X600 images to work with the regular wallpaper chooser. The problem comes after waking it up from sleep, the image is borked.
Tried Wallaby - absolutely worthless for me. Wallpaper Wizardrii is ok, but still difficult to work with.
Hey everyone,
due to the high resolution and comparably large screen estate I would like to use a lower screen density of around 410dpi, instead of the stock 480. :fingers-crossed:
One example:
On my Galaxy Nexus I was used to having a 24dpi high navigation bar at the bottom of the screen.
It was small but still I was able to hit the buttons accurately.
Same goes for the small keys of my keyboard of choice, Swiftkey.
Since I am on the HTC One and I flashed a Custom ROM, which I am running on 410dpi and wanted that stock android navigation bar at the bottom even at 48dpi (which is like 1.7x the height of the one I was using on my Galaxy Nexus) I have trouble hitting the buttons.
This is very disappointing.
It feels like the Touch layer of the HTC One is not that accurate
Is it just me or is this a known problem?
(Couldn't find anything via search, though)
Any ideas what to do about it?
All the best and thanks in advance :good:
I don't see this at 360dpi which is what I have mine at, but I do see it at 240, but everything then is silly in size.
Have you enabled the show touches in dev options and checked where its actually pressing?
Always keep forgetting about that! Thanks!
That is pretty weird...the touch inputs seem to be quite accurate, though. (Debugging Tool)
But it doesn't recognize them in something like "the upper half of the navigation bar" :/
I quickly shot a Video (sorry not the best focus point )
One can clearly see that I am hitting the home button several times, but the input doesn't get recognized.
That is really really weird and unsatisfactory :/
I gave it a shot for you... It seems to work fine on 36dp and above. 30 and 24 exhibit the same behavior as your video.
FYI: I'm running SlimROM at 361dpi. That was the default for me when I went from ARHD 10.2 to Slim b6 and it has stuck with me since then. I tried to get the same look in RootBox but it didn't work the same, so I went back to SlimROM b6.8, and am now on SlimROM b7.
Thanks :good:
I am starting to believe that this is might be caused by the Logo-Button-Hack.
If you peek closely from the side under the tip of your finger touching the button and starting from the very bottom of the glass area there is just no response at all on the logo. It's like the first pixel of the screen are allocated to the logo-button and not the area below the screen.
Maybe an area of lets say 10-15 pixels height is used for that and therefore not any longer available for the nav bar.
Which doesn't really matter if you are hitting the comparably huge app-icons in the drawer otherwise
I have recently installed a Parrot Asteroid Smart Android Headunit, running Android 2.3.7, and I would like to try and replicate an exiting launcher UI from the Volvo Sensus connected touch.
The sensus UI is essentially one large icon per screen (large and easy to touch when moving) each screen transitions continuously, with each screen having a subtle zoom effect zooming in as its selected and zooming out as it is swiped off screen. The closest I've seen is a cylinder transition, but it was the wrong way around, and as I recall it was on the app drawer rather than home screens.
But the thing I'm trying to replicate that I haven't seen any launcher do (they most probably don't see a use case for it) is that the previous and next screens are about 75% in view when on a particular screen, so you can see the what apps/screens are would come next if swiping right or left.
I have been using sslauncher so far, and have got a similar effect, but not quite right as the launcher can't replcate having the previous and next screens partly in view.
Heres a youtube link, skip to 1 minute in to see what I'm going for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VjPmstvBuE
There are some other touches I'd like, the particle emitter effect when a shortcut is pressed is quite nice, but they are nice to haves.
Any ideas?
I actually realized this since the first day of using the tablet... I noticed that the screen actually got stretched when you set your tablet in landscape mode and squished in while in portrait mode.
I suspect that the OS is running at a wrong native resolution... Does anyone have similar observation?
Yep, me too
I noticed the same issue. Circular icons look especially bad. Funny enough, the tablet on the packaging also has a distorted screen. In Youtube, videos have black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. This shouldn't be the case, as 1024x600 is a 16:9 aspect ratio, and videos are typically 16:9.
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adb shell dumpsys display
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mPhys=PhysicalDisplayInfo{600 x 1024, 59.670002 fps, density 1.0, 177.209 x 171.115 dpi, secure true, appVsyncOffset -5000000, bufferDeadline 22758840}
Yup, installed luna icon pack and looks horrible. Same as letters in Google keyboard.
I was just getting on to post about this very thing. Here is an image comparison I put together showing a screen shot side-by-side with a photo of the screen:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Z0bpkQXwBFR1djTnJLSGlsTkU/view
According to the images I pulled, the nominal screen resolution is 600x1024, which is also the hardware spec. But the actual image you see is the same aspect ratio as a display with a resolution of 600x1080. This suggests that the display pixels aren't actually square. I tried a couple of resolution changers in the Play Store but they just scale the display without addressing the issue.
I found an old Google Groups post asking about a cheap tablet with non-square pixels, and the answer in 2012 wasn't very encouraging. I wonder if something could be done through an Xposed module?
I lowered the dpi to 150 just to test and same result...
theophile2 said:
I was just getting on to post about this very thing. Here is an image comparison I put together showing a screen shot side-by-side with a photo of the screen:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Z0bpkQXwBFR1djTnJLSGlsTkU/view
According to the images I pulled, the nominal screen resolution is 600x1024, which is also the hardware spec. But the actual image you see is the same aspect ratio as a display with a resolution of 600x1080. This suggests that the display pixels aren't actually square. I tried a couple of resolution changers in the Play Store but they just scale the display without addressing the issue.
I found an old Google Groups post asking about a cheap tablet with non-square pixels, and the answer in 2012 wasn't very encouraging. I wonder if something could be done through an Xposed module?
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Also, this line from the display dump above similarly seems to indicate non-square pixels:
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density 1.0, 177.209 x 171.115 dpi
Anyone know how to change horizonal and vertical dpi independently?
Apparently the dpi is 160 normally.
You can set it higher and the icons will look less stretched but the dpi seems correct.
Yeah, this is sadly typical in cheap chinese tablets. What really surprises me is that almost nobody talks about this, and most of the people don't even notice it even after pointing it to them
I've also noticed that this screen has what I think is a slow redraw rate (i. e. painting line by line from the top) which cause funky scroll effects, especially in dark backgrounds in portrait. Grab the tablet with the buttons on top and scroll quickly in the Kindle Store and you'll see it
I watched a video on the Fire for the first time, and while this isn't exactly a scientific test, the video did not seem stretched out or distorted to me. I tested with a second video and it too seemed to display with the correct aspect ratio. If so, then that suggests that the display, controller, and drivers are all capable of rendering an image that is not distorted, and that it may be an issue with the rendering of the Android UI.
Up, i would love having a fix for this.
Mine doesnt seem to show these problems? Is it just a some devices problem or am I missing something?
zach61797 said:
Mine doesnt seem to show these problems? Is it just a some devices problem or am I missing something?
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Just got one of the $50 Fire tablets delivered and this is one of the first things I noticed. Look at a circular icon when it's in portrait and when it's in landscape and it's really obvious. I noticed it on the Pinterest icon.
If this really is a hardware issue, I don't suppose there's any way to fix it? If not I'll probably return it and get my money back.
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Just got one of the $50 Fire tablets delivered and this is one of the first things I noticed. Look at a circular icon when it's in portrait and when it's in landscape and it's really obvious. I noticed it on the Pinterest icon.
If this really is a hardware issue, I don't suppose there's any way to fix it? If not I'll probably return it and get my money back.
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Idk.. I don't really notice it maybe it's just my perspective the seem good to me.
It didn't jump out at me, but yes, the screen is definitely wider than 1024/600. Maybe it is 16:9.
I did notice the weird scrolling. Perhaps it's refreshed in some interlaced fashion?
I've noticed that some people just don't see it. Coincidentally in my case it was the same people that watch 4:3 content stretched in their 16:9 TVs and are happy with it
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I've noticed that some people just don't see it. Coincidentally in my case it was the same people that watch 4:3 content stretched in their 16:9 TVs and are happy with it
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^^^ This!
The incorrect aspect ratio is really distracting. I hope there's a way to fix it now that custom ROMs are available.
Hey guys! Does anyone else have a problem with scrolling. When I scroll down a page it looks like the left side is scrolling slower than the right. So for example, if you scroll down on a page full of horizontal lines or text, all the text slopes to the right until the page stops. I'm not sure if this is normal because the tablets so cheap or if its just mine?
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Hey guys! Does anyone else have a problem with scrolling. When I scroll down a page it looks like the left side is scrolling slower than the right. So for example, if you scroll down on a page full of horizontal lines or text, all the text slopes to the right until the page stops. I'm not sure if this is normal because the tablets so cheap or if its just mine?
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It seems "normal" for this tablet, sadly:
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I've also noticed that this screen has what I think is a slow redraw rate (i. e. painting line by line from the top) which cause funky scroll effects, especially in dark backgrounds in portrait. Grab the tablet with the buttons on top and scroll quickly in the Kindle Store and you'll see it
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Can't complaint it's rather solid for it's price imo.
Aghh glad its not just mine then. I'm loving the fire! Though it was going to be rubbish but really surprised!