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I'm in an area that supposedly has 3G coverage (Portland, Oregon). But...
My Tilt has never connected to the 3G network. I've gone to many areas thoughout the metro area, power cycled my phone (to see if it picked up new towers) but I never get 3G connectivity. The "3G" Icon has never displayed on my Tilt.
I've tried different radios which doesn't make a difference.
Suggestions anyone?
Wow, a local!
I have HSDPA almost everywhere in Portland (fastest 3G standard). Even with it not enabled, I have 3G in most of the metro area, including Vancouver where I live.
What icon is displayed?
I'm actually in Hillsboro, but it may as well be Portland.
Usually the "E" icon, and rarely I get the "H" icon.
I'm not sure what the "H" represents. I think its HSDPA, but I assume thats not 3G or as fast as 3G... and if it is then what's the "3G" icon all about?
HSDPA is what you want to see! It's the fastest version of 3G, and the newest available.
E is Edge, its 2G, not as fast but not horrible... Until Edge Evo comes out.
The data coverage maps from ATT are usually pretty bad. It doesnt have to say 3G for it to be 3G. HSDPA is 3G (the best) as well as other variants.
Do you notice a hit in your download speeds?
hmmmm... how confusing. If HSPDA is 3G. What's the point of the "3G" icon?
At my apartment I only get 1 maybe 2 bars of service if I am lucky so that means that while I am home "E" is the best I can get (or expect). But...
When I am out and about I get the "H" icon occasionally. Is there a good way to test my connection speed?
Yeah it's sort of weird... Here's a breakdown.
standards
GSM / UMTS (3GPP) Family
2G
* GSM
* GPRS
* EDGE (EGPRS)
o EDGE Evolution
* HSCSD
3G
* UMTS (3GSM)
* HSPA
o HSDPA
o HSUPA
o HSPA+
* UMTS-TDD
o TD-CDMA
o TD-SCDMA
* FOMA
Pre-4G
* UMTS Revision 8
o LTE
o HSOPA (Super 3G)
cdmaOne / CDMA2000 (3GP)
From - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G
I don't particularly like Wikipedia, but this should help. I'm sure there is a program that will test your connection speed, but you can try something simple like connecting and downloading a cab, lets say Google Maps. Then you can run Google Maps and see how fast you get your satellite image up. There is probably a better way but that should show any big differences.
EDIT: I should add that 3G usually denotes a mix or standards available. It's just a generalization, and the fastest will be chosen by your phone (this is how I understand it)
Also, what ROM and radio are you using?
well in the midwest AT&T was having problems with 3G they dont know why but all of a sudden their networks just failed idk if that is what is causing ur problem but i kept on getting an error saying that the phone couldnt connect to wap.cingular.
Thanks for that breakdown. Gives me a much better perspective.
I've tried a couple of the more popular ROMs. But recently I've been using Q-Mobile 1.2 - It's treated me well. I'm still trying to understand why Dutty's roms are so popular. I can't figure out what makes people flock to his ROM's over the others.
I've also tried out some different radio's. None of them seem to make any improvement (while at my apartment) but currently I am using 1.27.15.32 because I am under the impression that it is the newest radio and therefore should somehow be better.
I'm also unsure if I have the correct data connection settings setup after flashing a ROM. From what I am able to find the only thing I need to do is use "wap.cingular" Then I go into advanced settings and input the OpenDNS servers in for the DNS. Do I need to add any other AT&T specific information after flashing. I've read that there is some sort of proxy information needed as well but its not very clear.
Anywho, what settings for data do you use? What Radio, ROM?
phan10m said:
well in the midwest AT&T was having problems with 3G they dont know why but all of a sudden their networks just failed idk if that is what is causing ur problem but i kept on getting an error saying that the phone couldnt connect to wap.cingular.
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Yeah, I read about that. Aparently AT&T has no clue what happened. And to make matters worse there is more data outages today.
But I'm convinced that my issue is unrelated to all that since I've been experiencing these issues way before the data outages.
I'm glad that helped. I use the Stock HTC ROM 1.56.405.5 with Radio 1.27.12.11 (It's packaged with the radio). It's a legit HTC release, which means very little bugs and it's fast. Flash and hard-reset and you are good to go.
RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_1.56.405.5_radio_sign_22.45.88. 07_1.27.12.11_Ship.exe
You can find it here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=331900
Anyways, I've heard good things about the Q-Mobile roms, but I've been so happy with the .11 radio that the HTC stock works great for me. The .11 radio is also packaged in the stock ATT ROM your device shipped with.
When you first boot, it will prompt you to setup data, and for me it gets all the settings automatially and takes about 5 seconds to do it. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you just use the wap.cingular, but in all honestly I've never had to do it. I also am not sure why people go crazy over Dutty ROMS. It's almost blastphemy to say that on this forum, and I really appreciate his hard work but they arnt for me either. I like real fast,not too flashy and super usable (and stable, of course, why I love HTC stock ROM's)
I just looked now, my access point name is isp.cingular. Never bothered with it before.
I'll check up on this thread tomorrow, hope this helps you out!
Please ignore this.
Interesting... You make a good argument about the stock HTC ROM. I'll have to try that and see if reception and data speeds are any better.
Although my Tilt came with radio 1.27.12.17 - I've only had it for a couple of weeks so they may have put a newer radio on it.
As far as ROM's go, I'm just looking for something that I can use as a baseline. I don't like programs cooked in. I'd rather have a clean ROM and install what I want. But, on the other hand I do like how the cooked roms often contain the latest updates baked right in.
I'm off to flash to the HTC Stock ROM. I'll let you know how that goes.
Thanks for your help, it's nice to have a local to bounce things off of
I don't care for everything cooked in either. The HTC Stock is pretty bare-bones. The only thing I would recommend adding is Nadavi's upadted camera, dumped from Polaris...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355587
And of course the Tilt Keyboard Fix...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334911
Also, Youtube and streaming video work out of the box, you don't have to do anything fancy to get GPS working (run GPStest, etc...) and besides that there is not much needed. Any eye candy can be easily added.
BUT, remember to hard-reset after flash! It makes a big difference, at least for me.
Let me know how it goes!
Superspiker said:
I'm actually in Hillsboro, but it may as well be Portland.
Usually the "E" icon, and rarely I get the "H" icon.
I'm not sure what the "H" represents. I think its HSDPA, but I assume thats not 3G or as fast as 3G... and if it is then what's the "3G" icon all about?
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H is faster than standard UMTS, and yes, its HSDPA. You will only see the H while data is being actually sent/received though. When no data is being transferred you will see 3G.
-Jay
For comparison sake I have an old stock razr v3xx and I get FULL service in my room with it.
On my at&t tilt, I get 1-2 bars.
Im running Slueth 3.0 (WM6.1) and I've tried different combinations of HardSPL's and Radios but each one gives me problems that I can not fix. (i.e. - some SPL's have certain bugs where i get a text and it vibrates until i change the ringer to silent, and any other radio than the stock slueth (1.64.08.21 - which I need a link to if anyone can find?) makes my camera not work and I get a black screen.
One thing Ive noticed is on my razr, the band always says 3G. On my tilt, it says "H" - which Ive never seen before. What is "H" - and could this be the reason for poor service?
Again, if anyone knows where I could find Radio 1.64.08.21, and the disable xt9 cab I would greatly appreciate it. (I have searched for both but to no avail for a working link)
H is for hsdpa its just a nother type of service, gprs hsdpa 3g are the main in the US.
No "h" it isn't the problem.
try the ultimate radio thread for the radio you are looking for.
yeah i did, 1.64.08.21 isnt in there
can I force my tilt to choose 3G? My razr picks up 3G with full service yet the tilt uses H with hardly any
I have really awful service too. It loses connection from 3G every 10-30 seconds sometimes, but other times it can sit connected to the 3G.
Sometimes it won't even connect to 3G, then when I soft reset, it connects at 2 bars. Right now it's sitting connected at 3 bars.
What's up with this, and is there any way to improve it? The nearest base station is only 2-3 miles away.
I'd recommend trying out different radios.
Also H stands for HSDPA which is considered to be 3.5g but it actually is 9x faster then 3g.
jay487, search harder.. i found the disable xt9 cab in one search for "xt9". as for the radio your looking for, check out the wiki.
if you change the band to GSM in the band tab in the phone settings the signal will get better if you turn off WCDMA which is 3G or HSDPA, if you don't use 3g for internet then turn it off it will help
yeah I changed the band to GSM out of curiosity and it definitely seems to help so far. I dont use 3G for internet just for picture messaging, this shouldnt be affected correct? I also just did a complete reload of Sleuth to resolve the radio issue.
One problem I still notice on occasion is my sounds will just stop working. If i get a text the sound doesnt play, and if i set it to vibrate when i get a text too sometimes it constantly vibrates until i change the sound to silent and then back. I can fix it with a soft reset but having to do this everyday is anoying.
Do you need a specific program or app to disable 3g or hsdpa? i have the exact same problems, ATT +tilt= bad recep and lots of dropped calls
thanks
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Hello I seem to have a problem and I am hoping someone can help. My phone is rooted running Modaco r20 Desire Rom. Radio is ERE27. I have a strong 3G signal in my town with T-mobile. My problem is that for some reason whenever I use data (internet,online gaming, searching using apps etc) the icon will stay on 3G then switch over to H. Sometimes it will stay on 3G and it will not allow any data. I know about the EDGE to 3G issues. I don't seen to have that issue. Can anyone help and or know why this happens?
Usually, when browsing the internet or anything is being downloaded at all - the 3G icon will switch to H. Really only in custom ROMs though, I don't really believe this happens in the stock ROM.. it's not a bad thing or a problem, at least not for me.
Data doesn't completely shut off for me though.
The "H" means you are achieving an HSDPA connnection of sorts. Stock does not have this icon in it, since HSDPA is a form of 3G and they didn't want people getting confused by it switching from 3G icon to H icon.
HSDPA is faster than basic UMTS, aka "3G"... so it is not a bad thing at all.
No idea why you loose your data connection all together when it switches, since it isn't doing anything other than recognizing you have a faster data connection than basic 3G, nothing is actually changing to cause you to lose your connection since it is still the same connection.
pjcforpres said:
The "H" means you are achieving an HSDPA connnection of sorts. Stock does not have this icon in it, since HSDPA is a form of 3G and they didn't want people getting confused by it switching from 3G icon to H icon.
HSDPA is faster than basic UMTS, aka "3G"... so it is not a bad thing at all.
No idea why you loose your data connection all together when it switches, since it isn't doing anything other than recognizing you have a faster data connection than basic 3G, nothing is actually changing to cause you to lose your connection since it is still the same connection.
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no it is not...
mine does the same thing... i have to twiddle my thumbs and wait when it switches between UMTS and HSDPA... they are different frequencies just like EDGE is on a different frequency...
I don't think UMTS and HSPA are on different frequencies, the same two frequencies are used (alternating for downlink/uplink) for both, those are 1700mhz and 2100mhz.
For some reason I don't have this problem on Long Island, but when I'm in the city this happens the whole time. Might be something to do with the way the network is configured. Basically whenever data is in use, it just says 3G, but as soon as I browse to a site or actually use data, it switches to H within a second or so. I think a stock ROM would technically be doing the same thing, but it just won't show the actual switch, as it doesn't differentiate between HSPA and UMTS in the top 'taskbar.' Although it would probably show this in the phone status screen under settings.
luna9698 said:
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Sometimes it will stay on 3G and it will not allow any data.
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The "3G" to "H" (and back) is a "red herring". If it's "stuck" on 3G when you're trying to do data, it means your handset is having issues communicating in the AWS bands for 3G (2100/1700) and the handset hasn't dropped back to GSM/GPRS/EDGE (1900) yet or is attempting to switch frequencies and the associated towers aren't cooperating with the hand-off or the hand-off is failing.
Cheers,
Kermee
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I don't think UMTS and HSPA are on different frequencies, the same two frequencies are used (alternating for downlink/uplink) for both, those are 1700mhz and 2100mhz.
For some reason I don't have this problem on Long Island, but when I'm in the city this happens the whole time. Might be something to do with the way the network is configured. Basically whenever data is in use, it just says 3G, but as soon as I browse to a site or actually use data, it switches to H within a second or so. I think a stock ROM would technically be doing the same thing, but it just won't show the actual switch, as it doesn't differentiate between HSPA and UMTS in the top 'taskbar.' Although it would probably show this in the phone status screen under settings.
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I'm in times square. My phone has never switch to UMTS. Either HSPA or EDGE.
also while it's idle it will only use 3G
it will switch to H to transfer data, then revert to 3G
Kermee said:
The "3G" to "H" (and back) is a "red herring". If it's "stuck" on 3G when you're trying to do data, it means your handset is having issues communicating in the AWS bands for 3G (2100/1700) and the handset hasn't dropped back to GSM/GPRS/EDGE (1900) yet or is attempting to switch frequencies and the associated towers aren't cooperating with the hand-off or the hand-off is failing.
Cheers,
Kermee
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Ok now that makes sense. Anything I can do to help with the hand-off?
luna9698 said:
Ok now that makes sense. Anything I can do to help with the hand-off?
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Not that I've found. I have this problem BAD here in Phoenix. I never even bothered with WiFi until I got a Nexus, now I can't live without it. I found that sometimes kicking the phone in and out of Airplane Mode sometimes alleviates it being "stuck".
luna9698 said:
Ok now that makes sense. Anything I can do to help with the hand-off?
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Try setting the US BAND only in phone info.
ram130 said:
Try setting the US BAND only in phone info.
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Hmm I cant seem to find your suggestion? Can you be a little more specific? I am using Modaco rom if that makes any difference.
luna9698 said:
Hmm I cant seem to find your suggestion? Can you be a little more specific? I am using Modaco rom if that makes any difference.
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Which Modaco ROM? If it is Desire, you have to flash the newest radio, and do it after flashing the ROM itself, otherwise you will have major Radio issues... at least that is my, and a fair number of other's, experience.
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Which Modaco ROM? If it is Desire, you have to flash the newest radio, and do it after flashing the ROM itself, otherwise you will have major Radio issues... at least that is my, and a fair number of other's, experience.
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Yeah its Desire rom. I have radio ERE27 right now
Try upgrading to the newest one, 32.26.00.24U_4.04.00.03_2:
http://android.modaco.com/content/g...-online-kitchen-optional-root-insecure-himem/
Make sure you have at least 50% battery before flashing, just download and flash via recovery just like a ROM, do not panic, ever, during the process and do a battery pull, just wait for it to flash, then ask you to reboot, reboot, it will then do the actual radio flashing (you will see a box with arrow screen for a couple minutes) it will reboot on its own into recovery, say "writting" cache with a progress bar for a few seconds. The bar will go away, but the "writting cache" text will not, don't worry it is done, just reboot and then double check it flashed by going to about phone, software, and checking baseband version.
Just remember, can't stress this enough, do not pull your battery at all during this process. And make sure you have at least 50% battery before starting. Flashing a radio is the only way you can brick an N1 right now, and only if you pull the battery during the process, or have a bad download. Speaking of which, I do recommend checking the MD5 sum to make sure it is a good clean download.
luna9698 said:
Hmm I cant seem to find your suggestion? Can you be a little more specific? I am using Modaco rom if that makes any difference.
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*#*#4636#*#* in the dialer but I don't see US Only.
luna9698 said:
Hmm I cant seem to find your suggestion? Can you be a little more specific? I am using Modaco rom if that makes any difference.
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*#*#4636#*#* in the dialer. Hit menu button from there.
luna9698 said:
Hello I seem to have a problem and I am hoping someone can help. My phone is rooted running Modaco r20 Desire Rom. Radio is ERE27. I have a strong 3G signal in my town with T-mobile. My problem is that for some reason whenever I use data (internet,online gaming, searching using apps etc) the icon will stay on 3G then switch over to H. Sometimes it will stay on 3G and it will not allow any data. I know about the EDGE to 3G issues. I don't seen to have that issue. Can anyone help and or know why this happens?
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Same thing happens with me. I'm in Phoenix myself with T-Mobile and running Cyan 5.0.5.3 with EPE54B and baseband v 32.26.00.24U_4.04.00.03_2.
I'll have full bars for 3G and when I goto check the market or anything internet related, the 3G will switch to H and work or stay at 3G and pause with connection error, retry or cancel.
I started having this issue after updating my factory stock radio. Anybody know which one is the stock/default radio IMG is? I'm thinking of downgrading and seeing what happens.
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Try setting the US BAND only in phone info.
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I did this and it worked great! more consistent and quicker data access doesnt take forever to swith to H like before!
scuzzy19 said:
I did this and it worked great! more consistent and quicker data access doesnt take forever to swith to H like before!
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I still can't find the way to set it up using US bands only. Any suggestions?
Hello,
I have a G1 currently running Super D and 2.22.19.26I radio. This problem isn't specific to this rom or radio, since I've flashed various donut/eclair roms and various radios during my year of ownership and have always had the following problem:
When there is a weak 3G signal (one bar of 3G shown), it seems like there is an annoying delay or freeze in data connectivity, where rather than switching to the edge/2g signal, the phone just sits there on one bar of 3G doing nothing. Then, if it switches to 2g there is data loss, apps disconnect, web pages fail to load, etc.
I realize I can manually switch to 2G only mode, but this seems to happen all the time (there are not many times that I have a speedy 3g connection). I would personally think the radio firmware could be "smarter" and know not to look for a signal so much. I would rather not be on 2g all the time if 3g is available. Has anyone else had radio problems? Maybe someone can help me understand how the radio works better and maybe I should just stick with slow 2g most of the time.
Thanks
i fluctuate alot from edge to 3g, miami has a horrid tmobile footprint. regardless, while on 3g (umts), it takes a bit to switch to hsdpa. while im browsing i am usually greeted by this pause quit frequently no matter what rom im running. for refference, my sisters mytouch slide, daughters cliq and friends motorola charm prototype dont have this issue; they switch as often then me but much much faster. way more seemless in comparison.
if i were to jump on the speedtest app and wait till the H turns into a 3g, then hit the begin test button. the latency test wont run for a few seconds till that H appears; just an exaple.
anything i can do to speed up my 3g & H switching via the build.prop?
No idea, I don't think its possible. On ATT my phone always camps on hsdpa even when idle.