With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
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With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
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I doubt anyone has even tried to load 6.5.3 on it. If Windows Phone 7 comes out and it doesn't suck someone may try to port it. The problem is WP7 seems to heavily favor the Qualcomm Snapdragon platform, so IDK how much luck they would have doing it.
Hopefully a very similar (like exactly) phone will be release with WP7 and we can just borrow it from there.
Not exactly WP7
but it's a launcher, fairly new (first version), needs to flatten out app drawer lag, but I use vlauncher for the apps themselves.
They need to add more features like more white text, swipe gestures, but it's called "Zune home".
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I don't see why anyone would want to downgrade such an amazing OS to windows 6.5! Not sure about wp 7, but i'm still leaning more towards android, especially 2.2.
xbox 360... that is why i want it
There will be a WP7 Samsung phone just like Captivate hardware wise. So, if you want WP7, buy that one.
WM6.xx is too slow and old. It makes zero sense to load them. It's a shame that a phone like HD2 even comes with WM6.5 and has no official way of getting to WP7.
On the other hand, it seems the slowest WP7 phones are all 1GHz and some will show up with 1.2 GHz vesion. So, it is definitely next gen of phone hardware. Captivate is outdated now
I cringed when I read the op
ah, I thought this was some kind of article put out about MS about the captivate...
People ported android to the HD2 because WM BLOWSSS
LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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The only thing that beats us, is our bigger brother.. the Epic >_<
Sprint always getting the superphones >_>
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xbox 360... that is why i want it
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That doesn't even make sense
The epic does not beat the captivate. It runs touchwiz 2.5 since 3.0 does not support landscape. The epic is missing tons of features due to this. My evo with snapdragon runs just as good as my captivate with the lag fix and even faster then the captivate without lag fix. The captivate cpu is a little faster but android is optimized for the snapdragon cpu. Especially 2.2.
I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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He meant Live intergration, which looks cool. Live arcade marketplace is awesome. Also WP7 will have Netflix streaming which I want. Zune pass is also awesome. If they steal the kin feature to stream it over 3G that will be nice.
Also the epic has more features but it is also bigger, thicker and heavier.
I have not researched this keis thing much. But as far as winmo reading a word doc or be able to sync outlook easily would be all that I think would be useful. which just made me think I wonder if Office mobile itself would be a possibility to run on the captivate. I don't think you really need or want the whole winmo platform. Do you??
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My friend, if you're looking for a WinMo phone with Captivate-like specs, get the HD2.
Personally, I would love to see a port on the Captivate, but its highly unlikely considering how widely hated WinMo is.
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I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
If I were Apple and Google I would be very depressed with WP7 because MS has commitetd to it and that means lots of resources will be thrown at it. I read that MS is going to spend 500M on advertising this year for WP7. They have also decided to open a Game Studio for WP7 like they did for Xbox with Halo.
Anyway, they also have the most recognizable name in consumer and corporate software. Combining that with the backend services they have like Zune and Live, it will be very hard for Apple and Google to keep innovating at a rate that can compete with MS, especially over the next couple of years. Mobile Phones turn over twice as fast as PCs so saying anyone is late to the party doesn't make sense especially when they still have the third highest market share and they have been on auto-pilot for years.
If you think that WP7 will lack these basic features for long you are sadly mistaken, after rolling up kin by killing it the team is probably stronger than ever.
Just my 0.02.
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They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx
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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx
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I agree that other companies in the space have a lot of money too, but none of them even come close to the R&D budget of MS. It is rediculous that they spend Billions a year on R&D.
Also Microsoft is not afraid to loose money on something just to get its name out there. Xbox 360 is a blackhole of money, about 1.4 Billion worth lost to the RROD alone. I am sorry but if Apple or Google lost 1.4 Billion on anything they would not keep going. Either out of lack of resources or common sense would kick in and they would stop.
To MS it is advertising in the next generation. They will just keep loosing money because it allows them to develope frameworks and other services that will eventually start paying them back on later generations of the devices.
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A couple of months ago, when I discovered that the new iphone would support exchange I admit to becoming quite interested in it, as luck would have it I spooted the up and coming diamond and decided to stick with what I know and like (WM). I have had my diamond for a month now and I love it!
Out of interest I looked at some iphone forums today to see how people are getting on with their new toys - result - I am gobsmacked! Loads of problems reported on 3g reception (for which the stock answer on the forums appears to be turn off 3g!) Loads of problems with battery life (for which the stock answers appear to be turn off 3g, don't use WIFI and carry a charger with you at all times) Loads of problems with exchange (is it push or pull?), build quality issues, activation issues (including some guy being chased out of a US apple store and assualted by some "activation monkey" security types because he did not follow the correct in store procedures), the list goes on.
Of course, many punters are very happy with theie purchase but unlike these forums, there appears to me to be a strong tendency to deny that anything could possibly be amiss with the "Jesus" phones' second coming on the basis that any flaw is actually some kind of feature deliberately prescribed by messr Jobs et al.
At leat on XDA-Devs, people are generally honest about issues with their devices and there are plenty of smart folk delivering improvements every day.
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At leat on XDA-Devs, people are generally honest about issues with their devices and there are plenty of smart folk delivering improvements every day.
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Well, I beg to differ.... Remember the whole "accelerated drivers" debacle?
I'd say that the main difference between iPhone lovers and WM people is another one...
1) cupertino lovers, for THE most part, do NOT really care about deficiencies, they just wait for Apple to solve them (which they will do soon enough).
2) WM people are just the opposite: they actively go out and look for solutions.
On the other side, both communities have a strong core of really talented people struggling hard to make their devices work beyond the levels they where supposed to (I don't have to make names, do I?..) The jailbreaking system is really an amazing work of hacking... and it's comparable to having WM5, WM6 and now WM6.1 run on 4 years old phones. Don't you agree?
i agree
i am very interested in gettin the iphone, though i have been drinkin that haterade, nvr been a fan of it, and im gettin on a new contract too... i will be able to keep my tilt and the iphone if i decide to get one, but on the other hand if att brings the tilt2 in sept. or oct. i would rather get that, wut should i do? but i really wanna try that 3g iphone, and battery has always been a prob. wit da iphone.
Im looking at it, but eBay prices put me off. It's only because I lost my P1i, and have 15 months left on my contract. But it's no problem, I've had 6 phones in the last year, so changing during contract isn't a problem. The £450 for 8gb is. I might go to a shop and check the speed of the old iphone on edge. Im on o2 anyway so no problem with unlocking.
But I really do respect how apple have actually taken into account all people said about the original (except for the camera)
just my 2 pence!!
Rory
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1. WM users wonder what sex would be like in zero gravity.
2. iPhone users wonder what sex would be like.
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Another difference between iPhone and WM users:
1. WM users wonder what sex would be like in zero gravity.
2. iPhone users wonder what sex would be like.
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sex for iphone users
Well those were some interesting replies. You have to admit though that the power of the Apple marketing machine is awesome - I mean these things (Iphone or WM) are only tools at the end of the day, but the emotion they can generate.............
I will say this. Some of the iPhone Apps look pretty amazing, especially the planetarium ones. It kind of pisses me off that we WM people cannot get the same quality of apps in that regard. Perhaps when 640x480 gets better adoption the apps will get prettier.
All in all, the iphone apps suck, I mean you gotta have your face book app your yelp app, your myspace app..blahblah, but in the area of starmaps, it appears iphone wins hands down. (of course they get to standardize on one resolution which is higher than most wm resolutions)
I don't know what category I fit in because I've got an iPhone and a Touch and I love them both. The iPhone is for play and the Touch is for business. Both are sexy devices.
My iPhone (original) arrives Monday hopefully. I was going to get the Diamond, but getting an 8GB iPhone for £190 is a steal in my opinion. Compared to £400 plus for the Diamond.
Plus, I'll still have my Athena for the huge screen. I may even experiment with connecting the iPhone to my Athena via USB. Hmmm...
(Covers face in anticipation of stoning)
Rory
I hope you will be very happy with your crippled device.
I am very happy with it. You can all laugh, but I've still got the most expensive PPC HTC have ever made too, so I've got the best of both worlds. But if I get an EEE, the Athena might have to go. But then I'm left 3G-less... Hmm
Rory
Well I bought an iPhone 3G for my girlfriend, took 10 minutes to walk in, get iPhone, and come out activated... No monkeys. I guess I missed out on the fun. As for battery life, no worse than other PPC/Smartphones I've used... The exchange I've heard bad things about, but my girlfriend is 23 and blonde, she doesn't know what push and pull means except when it comes to... Well, nevermind. Overall I think the iPhone is the best device available in North America (where I'm stuck), but I'm waiting on a Touch Pro. I'd never say your idea to grab the Diamond over the iPhone was wrong, but I'd have basically no service here, so that kinda puts a bad taste to the HTC.
Actually the iPhone 3G is right for some people. It is limited in what it does but those things it does do very well. If it does all that you need then fine. Personally I need a bit more and the Diamond gives that.
Well said, I agree completely. For my girlfriend, the iPhone 3G is perfect... Everything she needs and then some. For me? A bit lacking... Hence me waiting for the Touch Pro while using this little POS Sony Ericsson Z310a.
I love my iPhone lol. Everything is so esay on it. And this is coming form someone who has owned 6 HTC phones and 1 UIQ device in the last year.
It trumps them all for me. But this is me. When there is a reason to jailbreak it, I will. I haven't yet because I'm on O2, so don't need it unlocked, and because there are no launchers or apps for 2.0 yet so...
But I am finding it hard to find fault with it, and I'm sure an upgrade to the 3G one will come when the price is more like £300 - £350 rather than £450 - £500.
That said, I do love the way on all my WM phones, I could download any one of a million cabs and it would probably work, no such luck with my iPhone. The google app is great but is basically just links to the web versions of things. Apple remote for itunes won't work properly, Carling's iPint is funny but lasts about 2 minutes as a game, and all the rest of the good apps cost, and I'm not prepared to pay.
Jailbreaking will probably bring pirated apps I guess.
But one last thing, no matter what I've seen anyone do on wm to wmulate the iPhone, nothing comes close to it's smoothness. But it does have a Diamond-like lag in that it loads the background to the app, then about a second later the rest of it. Similar to the diamond loading tabs from what I've seen.
Anyways, I'm not some iPhone fanboy as you can probably see from my join date and post count (although a bunch of my posts are, I will admit, pretty useless) So don't come over here flaming me for foriming aa balanced opinion.
Rory
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With the monsoon tidal wave ultra onslaught of that which is android, and in addition to all the other OS's (be it iOS, WP7, or WebOS) they've got some stiff competition from all sides. And it's only going to get...stiffer.
So.
What do you guys think? I really don't know what to expect. On one hand...it's freaking Nokia! They can't be defeated with their vast numbers!! On the other hand.... every time I open Tech Blog____ and read about the monstrous market share eating monster that is android... well they could soon have the vast numbers.
Then there's Apple. I'm sure Nokia is aware of their existence. WP7 has MS backing of course, and WebOS has HP.
Nokia! Sink or swim?
I also humbly request a genuine discussion... /no hardcore platform bashing
they shall be fine , their mid-low range phones sell in europ like chezeburgers in the usa
I have never bought or used a Nokia.
It's mainly for politically reasons, Nokia have profilated it self as a Pro EU company from a pro EU country. I simply don't like the EU and hence Nokia.
What will happen to Nokia perhaps going the same way as Siemens.
Wasn't that german company bought by the Benq?
What happened to the Benq-siemens, I just know that I never would buy anything from nor Siemens or Benq nor from Benq-Siemens.
Maybe the last thing Nokia will do is bringing a upcoming (and greedy) Asian company down the drain with them.
Anything thats bad for EU-economics means a hope for freedom from the "EU ist freiheit macht centralizing, sieg hail EU"
basically ur saying their a globalists and thats why u dont buy , thats fine
but u would be very hardly pressed to find a company that isnt affiliated with globalism in any way
Google to enlist NSA to help it ward off cyberattacks
i dont even have to start about apple
Move to android , symbian is dead
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they shall be fine , their mid-low range phones sell in europ like chezeburgers in the usa
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Hmmm... Them Americans do like their cheezburgerz...
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Hmmm... Them Americans do like their cheezburgerz...
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We can't help it, it's just sooooo tasty
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I'm praying for a Nokia/Android combo. It's gonna give HTC/Android a run for its money.
Mobile world is changing, the big companies will have to adapt to the "new way"
I can see it out of the 1st place easily
Nokia and android
Nokia has exceptional hardware.. even n series can run android. if they can come into android..no body can beat them. its an unbeatable combo..
Some special must happen...and then may be they will be well
Apparently Nokia have scrapped their first Meego running device. I'm assuming that they are planning to start using either Android or WP7 on their future smartphones.
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Apparently Nokia have scrapped their first Meego running device. I'm assuming that they are planning to start using either Android or WP7 on their future smartphones.
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Rumour puts it at WinPhone 7, but I'm still hoping that Nokia understands that Android is the way to go
I'm glad to see this thread, I actually started a similar one on another forum a while back.
http://androidforums.com/lounge/184006-where-hell-nokia-smartphone-craze.html
I just don't understand why America hasn't seen any smartphone action from Nokia. When I got my myTouch 3G I remember thinking, "Hey! Where the hell did Nokia go, anwyay?"
I think if Nokia can re-structure internally and come out looking like HTC then sure they might be able to come back. Provide great hardware and an even better smartphone experience... hmm.
But the hardware would have to be superior and the software would have to be better then Sense. Not a small feat for a company that is 3 years behind the 8 ball.
And if they were really smart they would have WebOS and Win7 options also. I haven't seen a Nokia phone in the states here for years and totally forgot all about them.
So... their Marketing dept would need to be re-vamped to pimp their products too
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I think if Nokia can re-structure internally and come out looking like HTC then sure they might be able to come back. Provide great hardware and an even better smartphone experience... hmm.
But the hardware would have to be superior and the software would have to be better then Sense. Not a small feat for a company that is 3 years behind the 8 ball.
And if they were really smart they would have WebOS and Win7 options also. I haven't seen a Nokia phone in the states here for years and totally forgot all about them.
So... their Marketing dept would need to be re-vamped to pimp their products too
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If Nokia's HARDWARE QC process was tighter than HTC's I would jump ship. I LOVE my MT4G but the hardware issues (many people have exchanged their phone FOUR TIMES, including me!) are just ****ing ridiculous.
Get it together, HTC!!
If Nokia built me a 4 inch touch screen with comparable specs to the MT4G but a faster camera and the charge port on my bottom I would consider letting go of the myTouch.
EDIT - LOL, charge port on THE bottom! Not MY BOTTOM. Haha, I'm leaving that up there.
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If Nokia's HARDWARE QC process was tighter than HTC's I would jump ship. I LOVE my MT4G but the hardware issues (many people have exchanged their phone FOUR TIMES, including me!) are just ****ing ridiculous.
Get it together, HTC!!
If Nokia built me a 4 inch touch screen with comparable specs to the MT4G but a faster camera and the charge port on my bottom I would consider letting go of the myTouch.
EDIT - LOL, charge port on THE bottom! Not MY BOTTOM. Haha, I'm leaving that up there.
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So... you like... wanna meet up or something so I can charge you up?
LOL!
And yeah, I really wish that Nokia would take the HTC route and pimp themselves out for the OSes.
Android is about to flourish exponentially due to Nokia killing off symbian and preparing for massive layoffs.
I expect a huge percentage to move to Google and the Android team.
News flash: Nokia went over to Windows. Guess now they are jumping into an ocean filled with sharks
i never liked nokia nor their smartphones.
nokia is the leading phone company in the middle east, if i write nokia on my phone i can sell it for $300
they never made a "perfect phone" they always tend to remove something and add something else instead.
and now that they chose windows phone the whole arabian commutnity will have a wp7 device and i wont be special anymore
and the last thing i would like to see is nokia on xda, f*** man!
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The SGT is the first and last Samsung (and perhaps Android) device I will ever buy due to the complete lack of official updates available for it. I am not interesting in flashing hacked roms, I just expect Samsung to provide a timely release of new android versions very soon after google makes them available.
In respect of updates, compared to iOS devices, Android devices are so far behind its untrue --> While 2 year old Apple devices such as the iPhone 3GS are updatable to the latest version of iOS, 3 month old Android devices do not get access to the latest version of android. Its frankly disgusting.
Anyone know when I can expect an update for my SGT to Android 2.3/3.0 (sim free wifi+3g version)?
I've had a pre-order on the go with Amazon for a 7" iconia tab A101, but that has been delayed until 30th June now!! Looks like I am stuck with the SGT and its outdated/buggy/slow OS for some time. I should have just bought an iPad...
Nigel
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The SGT is the first and last Samsung (and perhaps Android) device I will ever buy due to the complete lack of official updates available for it. I am not interesting in flashing hacked roms, I just expect Samsung to provide a timely release of new android versions very soon after google makes them available.
In respect of updates, compared to iOS devices, Android devices are so far behind its untrue --> While 2 year old Apple devices such as the iPhone 3GS are updatable to the latest version of iOS, 3 month old Android devices do not get access to the latest version of android. Its frankly disgusting.
Anyone know when I can expect an update for my SGT to Android 2.3/3.0 (sim free wifi+3g version)?
I've had a pre-order on the go with Amazon for a 7" iconia tab A101, but that has been delayed until 30th June now!! Looks like I am stuck with the SGT and its outdated/buggy/slow OS for some time. I should have just bought an iPad...
Nigel
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Don't blame android blame Samsung they got ya cash now kindly duck off.
I went with sony on my latest upgrade away from Samsung im in the same camp as you Samsung wont get a penny more from me.
No support at all for our device... pathetic!
oo and get ready for the backlash from the Samsung fan brigade who oddly think this is ok?!? but inside I know they are as pi$$ed as us. Ive renamed them $am$sung myself
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Hi
The SGT is the first and last Samsung (and perhaps Android) device I will ever buy due to the complete lack of official updates available for it. I am not interesting in flashing hacked roms, I just expect Samsung to provide a timely release of new android versions very soon after google makes them available.
In respect of updates, compared to iOS devices, Android devices are so far behind its untrue --> While 2 year old Apple devices such as the iPhone 3GS are updatable to the latest version of iOS, 3 month old Android devices do not get access to the latest version of android. Its frankly disgusting.
Anyone know when I can expect an update for my SGT to Android 2.3/3.0 (sim free wifi+3g version)?
I've had a pre-order on the go with Amazon for a 7" iconia tab A101, but that has been delayed until 30th June now!! Looks like I am stuck with the SGT and its outdated/buggy/slow OS for some time. I should have just bought an iPad...
Nigel
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I dont even know where to begin with this so im not eve going to bother.
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I dont even know where to begin with this so im not eve going to bother.
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+1 I know how you feel.
If only people knew how to use google before typing nonsense.Just to put the first two comments into perspective...........
Android April version numbers stay relatively unchanged from the previous month
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http://www.androidcentral.com/android-april-version-numbers-stay-relatively-unchanged-previous-month
So only around 4% of handsets have gingerbread. Hmm......I would probably consider the Tab to be up to date then? Since that 4% will be mostly consisting of Brand New handsets. Like the galaxy S2,etc. I do actually have an S2, my second samsung device of all time. Is gingerbread much different to froyo? nope. can barely tell tbh. Not like the leap from 2.1 to 2.2. Though if you asked if the dual core made a difference, I would have to say yes.
Come on people.
Though I'm also cross my 1981 ford cortina hasnt been updated to a ford mondeo
stoney73 said:
+1
Though I'm also cross my 1981 ford cortina hasnt been updated to a ford mondeo
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Exactly.
trying to compare a iphone/ios to a Android OS and licensed devices is completley retarded and shows how ignorant the OP is.
iOS is designed to run on 4 devices from a specific manufacturer, whereas Android is licensed to be developed for MANY different manufacturers and MANY MANY MANY devices.
If the OP cant handle a real OS ad real device he should get a lobotomy and get a iphone.
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Exactly.
trying to compare a iphone/ios to a Android OS and licensed devices is completley retarded and shows how ignorant the OP is.
iOS is designed to run on 4 devices from a specific manufacturer, whereas Android is licensed to be developed for MANY different manufacturers and MANY MANY MANY devices.
If the OP cant handle a real OS ad real device he should get a lobotomy and get a iphone.
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The sad thing is, they have over 600 posts between them
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meh! apple, go get an apple then.
as far as the sony comment i am not going to touch it. again if you like sony then go get it
samsung have a history read up befor you go buy thier product and complain.
android is all about openness, development and moving forwards. if you dont like it now then wait a few months and try again.
Android Updates
Lol
I knew this would result in a load of negativity from the Androiders out there. The simple fact is that your average end-user simply does not care that its harder for a manufacturer using a licensed OS to provide updates than it is for Apple to update iOS for its own devices. Its frankly not the end-users problem.
Anyone who has been using iOS devices for any time, will be very surprised if they switch to android (due to all the hype surrounding it), when they find out that updates beyond what the phone is delivered with rarely happen. I would predict that those jumping ship from iOS and heading to Android will be right back to iOS once their contracts expire with a very sour taste lingering!
The fact that Apple devices are upgradable to the latest OS version for around 2 years after first manufacture makes them a compelling purchase (despite the higher initial cost) You are not going to be lumbered with a useless, outdated brick half way through your 2-year contract.
Apple has set the bar very high, its up to google, samsung, HTC to match Apple's performance in this regard *however hard it might be*.
As someone who owns both Android and iOS devices, I am able to compare and contrast. Both have their good points, but the lack of updates for Android devices is a massive negative for them. The other negative being the quality of the apps on Android which is way,way behind those on iOS. Unless you *own* and *use* both iOS and Android devices on a daily basis, you are simply not qualified to have an opinion on this!
I'm no 'Ignorant OP' as someone commented. I've probably been on XDA way before many other folks, and have had 6 WinMo devices prior to heading in the direction of apple. I'm a programmer by trade working with mobile devices (hardware close assy/C/C++, none of this C#/Java nonsense). I simply don't have the time to 'tinker' and flash 'custom' roms anymore. In short, if the geeks on XDA can produce a semi-working 2.3rom for the SGT with none of the information that Samsung themselves have - SO CAN SAMSUNG (if they can be arsed that is).
I like the form factor of the SGT (iPad is frankly too big), I like the fact that its got a microSD slot (makes it hugely useful while away together with my digicam). I got an Android device due to the flexibility the OS offers, I just don't like that I appear to be stuck with all its bugs without any chance of any official updates from Samsung. I wish google would have taken the device manufacturer out of the loop (as Microsoft has done with windows), and push updates directly to the device.
As for this comment:
'iOS is designed to run on 4 devices from a specific manufacturer, whereas Android is licensed to be developed for MANY different manufacturers and MANY MANY MANY devices.'
Sounds like windows on the desktop eh? I've had countless updates from MS for my Windows PC's and laptops despite the fact that this is a single OS present on MANY MANY MANY devices.
It will be interesting to see how MS deals with the issue of updates for WP7 devices. Thus far, they have mucked it right up...
Nigel
veletron said:
As for this comment:
'iOS is designed to run on 4 devices from a specific manufacturer, whereas Android is licensed to be developed for MANY different manufacturers and MANY MANY MANY devices.'
Sounds like windows on the desktop eh? I've had countless updates from MS for my Windows PC's and laptops despite the fact that this is a single OS present on MANY MANY MANY devices.
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No, it doesn't sound like windows. I've never seen any other distributions of Windows...guessing cause its not open source. And Windows operating systems only worked on x86 and amd machines. Only reason Windows runs on my macbook is because its got an intel processor in it.
Google made a distribution of the linux operating system, made it open source, and designed a complex phone API behind it. Microsoft doesn't do that nor does Apple. Like Microsoft, Apple restricts what an end user, carrier, or developer can do with its operating system. Android OS is open source.
I work with multiple devices almost on a daily basis. My colleague has the exact tablet you have and he loves it. His only real complaint other than the few "if it had this..." is he wishes it was maybe a tad bit smaller. He's just your average user: checks emails, facebook, twitter, corporate emails, google voice, web browsing... and he has not one regret from switching from the iOS environment. Downloads tons of apps, homescreen's covered with widgets, etc etc.
AT&T was the reason why I got rid of my iphone, not Apple. Verizon gave me a Droid and I fell in love with it. I ran the stock rom on that phone for ages. I didn't even bother doing a custom rom until i got a second android phone through my personal business. Verizon kept us up to date as possible as to when it'd push the update to our phones and so did Motorola. The only update I couldn't wait to get was 2.2 so I could tether to my phone much easier. Even now that iphone is on the Verizon network, I wouldn't switch back to the iphone.
I returned my ipad because I just still couldn't justify the price for all its prettiness. I spent $280 bucks on my android tablet with the ability of reading sd cards, usb drives, and giving me the freedom to browse the device's file system, vs the $500 I spent on the ipad that didn't have a file manager and the only way to get access to the usb and sd cards was to by an extra device and hoped it worked. Also not having to have itunes installed on my computer and go through loops to connect my devices to different computers is a plus. I can buy a microsoft user license for about $300 bucks and install it on one machine. I can buy (if I don't feel like downloading for free) a linux distribution for $5-10 bucks(shipping on dvd) and install it on as many machines as I want and I can even tailor and recompile the operating system specifically for my machine. (What Samsung does for your tablet and Viewsonic does for mine.)
I don't deny that you're having a problem with your device and it should be resolved in some kind of timely matter. Samsung owes that to you as a consumer of their products...Blaming Google and the entire Android operating system stack is kind of naive when its obvious that the operating system is working as intended. Samsung's distribution apparently doesn't for you and whoever else has issues I guess.
Well, if I'm not allowed to compare to Windows, am I allowed to compare to Linux?! This is open source, runs on many many different hardware platforms (hell, most (all?) android phones are ARM based just as Linux (mostly) runs on x86/x64 hardware).
All the packages on my linux installations are updatable directly from the distro source on the fly whenever I choose to update them - this includes *core* OS packages as well as stuff that I have installed.
Quite frankly, a huge to-do is made about the fact that something is a fixed or mobile platform, trying to paint a false picture that mobile platforms are somehow so much more difficult to manage/maintain than fixed platforms THEY ARE NOT. Its just yet another excuse from the manufacturers for not spending the time/money updating a device.
The PRINCIPLE reason why Android & WinMo devices are not readily updatable to the latest and greatest version of the OS is NOT technical, but rather that the manufacturer and the operator would rather flog you a new phone than keep your existing one up-to-date. Its a testament to Apple that they manage to flog new phones to existing apple users despite the fact that there's very little in the OS that they could not get on their existing phone (which would run the same OS version anyway). Apple manages to sell new hardware because the new hardware is brilliant.
Anyway, my original post here was to ascertain whether or not 2.3 or 3.0 would be available for the SGT at some stage. I'm thinking that nobody knows which is fine. I only paid £300 for a wifi+3G SGT and they're fetching that on ebay, so I have not exactly lost out. I'll check out 3.0 on the Iconia A101 I have on pre-order. Maybe that will live up to my expectations.
Nigel
I have never understood the *****ing about updates thing.
You buy a device. When you pick it up off the shelf and take it home you are completely happy with what it is and what you can do with it. You tell all your friends how awesome your device is and recommend that everyone buy one. Then you read that there is a new update to Android. All of a sudden your device is a POS. You wonder why any sane person would even buy such a sack of sh*t. You question your own sanity for buying it in the first place. You call all your friends back and tell them you were dead wrong and no one should ever buy a device like yours ever again. Nothing about your device has changed. WTF??
Also, I'll point out that while older versions of IOS can run newer versions of IOS, they don't do it well at all. That's the main reason why devices don't get updated. Just saying.
Some of the responses here are mind boggling.
Consider this: These Android 3rd party partners essentially get these Android updates for free from Google. Contrast that with Apple who have to do most of the work (except for the open source parts they leverage, which isn't the *entire OS* in Android's case). These manufacturers then need to do, well, what volunteer hackers seem to have little trouble putting together from their bedrooms in relatively little man-hour time. So it's frankly in-excusable for the likes of Samsung, Sony, etc to not have provided Gingerbread updates by now for their devices. The fact that only 4% of handsets on Gingerbread proves the point!
My device is working just fine. Some better apps would make it alot more useful, but I doubt any sw updates will make this much better. Just like switching from windows XP to 7, what have I really gained?
Google encouraging 18 month update pledge
Well, its a start, what happens in practice remains to be seen:
http://androinica.com/2011/05/android-updates-for-18-months/
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Some of the responses here are mind boggling.
Consider this: These Android 3rd party partners essentially get these Android updates for free from Google. Contrast that with Apple who have to do most of the work (except for the open source parts they leverage, which isn't the *entire OS* in Android's case). These manufacturers then need to do, well, what volunteer hackers seem to have little trouble putting together from their bedrooms in relatively little man-hour time. So it's frankly in-excusable for the likes of Samsung, Sony, etc to not have provided Gingerbread updates by now for their devices. The fact that only 4% of handsets on Gingerbread proves the point!
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Three questions:
1. What entitles you to any updates at all? They provide the product. You take it out of the box and determine that you like it. Why do they have any obligation to update your device at all? You certainly don't see this happening with any other type of product.
2. What happened to break your device? When you got it you liked it or you would've taken it back. Now it's a POS. Why? What happened to it to break it?
3. What features of Gingerbread do you want/need on your Tab?
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Three questions:
1. What entitles you to any updates at all? They provide the product. You take it out of the box and determine that you like it. Why do they have any obligation to update your device at all? You certainly don't see this happening with any other type of product.
2. What happened to break your device? When you got it you liked it or you would've taken it back. Now it's a POS. Why? What happened to it to break it?
3. What features of Gingerbread do you want/need on your Tab?
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1.My windows laptop is constantly telling me that I have updates ready to install.
1&2. It can take awhile to notice some annoying little quirks and bugs on a device.
3. I would like to be able to use google talk with my front camera.
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1.My windows laptop is constantly telling me that I have updates ready to install.
1&2. It can take awhile to notice some annoying little quirks and bugs on a device.
3. I would like to be able to use google talk with my front camera.
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1. Really? Microsoft lets you update for free from XP to Windows 7? or even from Windows 7 Home to Windows 7 Professional? Please let me know how to do that. They're never giving me any updates other than security fixes. I've received no updates from Microsoft that included a brand new OS. Obviously I'm in the minority I guess.
2. What is it about your device that makes it a POS now when you liked it originally? What has changed or what have you noticed?
3. You didn't have this when you got the Tab. Why does this just now make you unhappy?
Gingerbread now out.!
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The sad thing is, they have over 600 posts between them
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and you have over 200 and still haven't learned people have a different opinion to yourself that's the really sad thing.
As i said at the bottom of my post get ready for the backlash
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Gingerbread now out.!
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I'm hearing that's just for some of the overseas Tabs and hasn't been rooted yet anyway. Or am I incorrect about all of those things? Wouldn't be the first time.
Lets write down why iPhone sold 4-5million in 3days and why android will never beat iPhone:
Why Android cant kill iPhone ever.
1. Delayed updates, while iOS release update everybody can update, no racial descrimination in updates lol
2. You need to beg and wait for developer to make a rom, sometime you need to buy them that smartphone to support the device. Most roms has forceclose error and some notification breaks!
3. Android markets, FRAGMENTED APPS, you need to beg or bash developer to update their up, but they just give up on you!
4. 4g sucks battery life (which android device is know for poor battery life and takes forever to charge) and spoty 4g, while iPhone 3g can do the job without problems and fact that is more stable!
5. Yeah yeah yeah 3D that feels like some alien is in your head playing with an amoeba! And iPhone 4s 1080p almost near Canon 5d MK II which cost $3000+.
6. Better resale value and you are guranteed 1yr of having the latest model iPhone before they release another iPhone. On android you bought it for almost $600, after 2 months you can buy it for $350 tops. And if you are lucky there is anew model android device after 1.5months and the one you bought is already an old model smartphone.
7. Seek apps and you will find.
8. Classy looks not plastic that you can see on trash cans.
9. you can video call every body, iPhone, iPad, iPad Touch, Mac. Android no videocall unity.
10. You have a bunch of dev that support jailbreaks and they every apps they made works on every iOs device.
11. Unmatch warranty, you want a new iPhone? All you need to do is mess up the OS and then gp to Apple store and you walk out with a spanking, twinkling new iPhone in your hand no question ask.
12. Retina display, you need magnifying glass to see the pixel dot.
13. They copy some android apps but they made it work right you can say it is perfect. On android it is just good enough.
14-350+. plus tons more.
Come join the fun list them.
And Android wins, Steve Jobs is dead, get over it. (Sarcasm intended)
But in all seriousness my Thrill beats the iPhone 4S to death, so does the GSII, and about any other new top of the line Android. iPhones are too hard to work with, everything is locked up unlike the Android. Let me try to dismiss as many of your reasons as I can.
1. Android OTA updates have problems because lots of people have Androids=Slower server updates and connection problems.
2. At least we can flash roms.
3. At least we have an open marketplace.
4. I have CM7 on my Inspire and have gone 26 hours and still have 30% of my battery life left.
5. My Thrill has 3D and 1080P, and can play Blu Ray videos/movies in 3D. Also, it has a built in HDMI slot.
6. We have so many updates which can cost more money, but we also get newer technology and support faster.
7. That didn't even make logical sense.
8. Android phones are sleek and sexy, iPhones had dropped calls because of the so called "Death Grip". Plus, glass breaks easily. Google SGII vs iPhone 4S drop test. Laugh.
9. I have a face calling utility, called Skype, along with about three other easy to download apps.
10. We have way more dev support, WAY MORE.
11. How do you mess up an iPhone OS? Jailbreaking voids your warranty. And, you have to pay the same insurance price, go AT&T? Physical damage covered.
12. We have Super Amoled + (Close enough)
13. Most Android apps work. Any examples to prove this point?
14. What?
There, happy?
RootTheNoob said:
And Android wins, Steve Jobs is dead, get over it. (Sarcasm intended)
But in all seriousness my Thrill beats the iPhone 4S to death, so does the GSII, and about any other new top of the line Android. iPhones are too hard to work with, everything is locked up unlike the Android. Let me try to dismiss as many of your reasons as I can.
1. Android OTA updates have problems because lots of people have Androids=Slower server updates and connection problems.
2. At least we can flash roms.
3. At least we have an open marketplace.
4. I have CM7 on my Inspire and have gone 26 hours and still have 30% of my battery life left.
5. My Thrill has 3D and 1080P, and can play Blu Ray videos/movies in 3D. Also, it has a built in HDMI slot.
6. We have so many updates which can cost more money, but we also get newer technology and support faster.
7. That didn't even make logical sense.
8. Android phones are sleek and sexy, iPhones had dropped calls because of the so called "Death Grip". Plus, glass breaks easily. Google SGII vs iPhone 4S drop test. Laugh.
9. I have a face calling utility, called Skype, along with about three other easy to download apps.
10. We have way more dev support, WAY MORE.
11. How do you mess up an iPhone OS? Jailbreaking voids your warranty. And, you have to pay the same insurance price, go AT&T? Physical damage covered.
12. We have Super Amoled + (Close enough)
13. Most Android apps work. Any examples to prove this point?
14. What?
There, happy?
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Win. 10char
The ONLY reason the iPhone will win over Android is simple: EASE OF USE
Almost every reason you gave in the OP is mostly stuff the average consumer doesn't and will never care about. The AC doesn't care about rooting and such. Heck, if the average consumer REALLY cared about battery life, then the Galaxy series of phones wouldn't sell as well as it does.
The ONLY reason iOS and it's the ONLY thing iOS has over everyone is ease of use. Winmo7 has equal ease of use, but it suffers from coming to the party too late.
ICS looks like it will have better ease of use, but for now iOS is king when it comes to the average consumer and JUST working.
spirikitik said:
Lets write down why iPhone sold 4-5million in 3days and why android will never beat iPhone:
Why Android cant kill iPhone ever.
1. Delayed updates, while iOS release update everybody can update, no racial descrimination in updates lol - Agreed. Android OEMs need to get their act together. Either that or Google needs to end Android UI skins and standardize ICS.
2. You need to beg and wait for developer to make a rom, sometime you need to buy them that smartphone to support the device. Most roms has forceclose error and some notification breaks! - Lolno.
3. Android markets, FRAGMENTED APPS, you need to beg or bash developer to update their up, but they just give up on you! True for games. And some apps have ugly UIs that don't conform with the rest of the Android system...but other than that...no.
4. 4g sucks battery life (which android device is know for poor battery life and takes forever to charge) and spoty 4g, while iPhone 3g can do the job without problems and fact that is more stable! - LTE does, but HSPA+ doesn't.
5. Yeah yeah yeah 3D that feels like some alien is in your head playing with an amoeba! And iPhone 4s 1080p almost near Canon 5d MK II which cost $3000+. - The 4S camera is amazing, yes.
6. Better resale value and you are guranteed 1yr of having the latest model iPhone before they release another iPhone. On android you bought it for almost $600, after 2 months you can buy it for $350 tops. And if you are lucky there is anew model android device after 1.5months and the one you bought is already an old model smartphone. - Somewhat true. Not necessarily.
7. Seek apps and you will find. - Huh?
8. Classy looks not plastic that you can see on trash cans. - This is kind of true. App Store apps do tend to have better UIs and quality in general than their Market counterparts, but it depends on the dev.
9. you can video call every body, iPhone, iPad, iPad Touch, Mac. Android no videocall unity. - Google Talk Video...comes with every Android phone. Call any Android device or PC.
10. You have a bunch of dev that support jailbreaks and they every apps they made works on every iOs device. - the Android mod community is better, period. Jailbreaking hit its high point around iOS 2.2.x. After that...the actual Cydia developers have turned into 8 year olds making fart themes.
11. Unmatch warranty, you want a new iPhone? All you need to do is mess up the OS and then gp to Apple store and you walk out with a spanking, twinkling new iPhone in your hand no question ask. - Yes Apple customer service is nice.
12. Retina display, you need magnifying glass to see the pixel dot. - Same with the Galaxy Nexus.
13. They copy some android apps but they made it work right you can say it is perfect. On android it is just good enough. ?
14-350+. plus tons more. ?
Come join the fun list them.
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There.....
iphone = basic
Basic people use basic phones. Android however is for the more intuitive person hints why there is so much development
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Problem?
I'm guessing you bought the new iPhone 4S and are pretty damn mad about the Galaxy Nexus.
I would be mad too.
reasons for wanting to return your new iPhone ----->>>>>>> galaxy nexus / facial unlock
azr3alazd3ycum said:
reasons for wanting to return your new iPhone ----->>>>>>> galaxy nexus / facial unlock
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Don't forget, if something happens to his iPhone he has to pay $30 to get it fixed.
Hyphnx said:
Problem?
I'm guessing you bought the new iPhone 4S and are pretty damn mad about the Galaxy Nexus.
I would be mad too.
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well let's see, iPhone is on how many carriers and offers how many price ranges? The fact that android is more readily available is the only reason that the above is true. I don't like iOS but I also don't have to lie to myself about my OS's dominance.
IPhones have genius bars. .........android has a development community
Oh yea and half the time those "geniuses" don't know what's going on
iPhones have genius bars. .........android has a development community
Oh yea and half the time those "geniuses" don't know what's going on
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What do we do now, boss?
spirikitik said:
Lets write down why iPhone sold 4-5million in 3days and why android will never beat iPhone:
Why Android cant kill iPhone ever.
1. Delayed updates, while iOS release update everybody can update, no racial descrimination in updates lol
2. You need to beg and wait for developer to make a rom, sometime you need to buy them that smartphone to support the device. Most roms has forceclose error and some notification breaks!
3. Android markets, FRAGMENTED APPS, you need to beg or bash developer to update their up, but they just give up on you!
4. 4g sucks battery life (which android device is know for poor battery life and takes forever to charge) and spoty 4g, while iPhone 3g can do the job without problems and fact that is more stable!
5. Yeah yeah yeah 3D that feels like some alien is in your head playing with an amoeba! And iPhone 4s 1080p almost near Canon 5d MK II which cost $3000+.
6. Better resale value and you are guranteed 1yr of having the latest model iPhone before they release another iPhone. On android you bought it for almost $600, after 2 months you can buy it for $350 tops. And if you are lucky there is anew model android device after 1.5months and the one you bought is already an old model smartphone.
7. Seek apps and you will find.
8. Classy looks not plastic that you can see on trash cans.
9. you can video call every body, iPhone, iPad, iPad Touch, Mac. Android no videocall unity.
10. You have a bunch of dev that support jailbreaks and they every apps they made works on every iOs device.
11. Unmatch warranty, you want a new iPhone? All you need to do is mess up the OS and then gp to Apple store and you walk out with a spanking, twinkling new iPhone in your hand no question ask.
12. Retina display, you need magnifying glass to see the pixel dot.
13. They copy some android apps but they made it work right you can say it is perfect. On android it is just good enough.
14-350+. plus tons more.
Come join the fun list them.
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You forgot:
-Closed ecosystem, you will only have whatever they allow you to have.
-A phone that's made of glass, if it fall off your hands it will explode its "Nasa technology made" screen to a million pieces.
-The ackward feeling of being just one more from the herd with not much of a freedom, unlike Android.
"I'll rather be head of mice than a lion's tail"
And still, there is not a single thing that you can do on an iphone that u cannot do it on android also, and if there is, its not for long.
One more thing: iphone fits more for just the regular USER, let's say. Android fits more for the power users like us AND regular users.
Caddle
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Barzobius said:
You forgot:
-Closed ecosystem, you will only have whatever they allow you to have.
-A phone that's made of glass, if it fall off your hands it will explode its "Nasa technology made" screen to a million pieces.
-The ackward feeling of being just one more from the herd with not much of a freedom, unlike Android.
"I'll rather be head of mice than a lion's tail"
And still, there is not a single thing that you can do on an iphone that u cannot do it on android also, and if there is, its not for long.
One more thing: iphone fits more for just the regular USER, let's say. Android fits more for the power users like us AND regular users.
Caddle
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the parts of this that are English are just comical.
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Dont worry |OP| we (android users) understand that you are a little dissapoint with the new iphone 4S and its silly thing, "sorry" i mean siri thing... just wait one year more to have 1.5 dual core while we (android users) will be using Quad cores or something... and you fanboys will say... "its not necessary... dual core is better in battery life and bla bla bla"
Glad to you fanboys that the Man invented the pretexts
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Dont worry |OP| we (android users) understand that you are a little dissapoint with the new iphone 4S and its silly thing, "sorry" i mean siri thing... just wait one year more to have 1.5 dual core while we (android users) will be using Quad cores or something... and you fanboys will say... "its not necessary... dual core is better in battery life and bla bla bla"
Glad to you fanboys that the Man invented the pretexts
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hardware has nothing to do with OS, iOS runs infinitely better on lesser hardware.
azr3alazd3ycum said:
IPhones have genius bars. .........android has a development community
Oh yea and half the time those "geniuses" don't know what's going on
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Hate to say it, but as much as you want to think Android has a better Dev community it doesn't. Most of the Android devs stick to a specific device each completely different from the next. The iPhone Dev community can be smaller but a lot more support because no fragmentation.
The main reason for Android ROMs are for a few reasons. Removing manufactor/carrier crapware, ASOP, and themes. With the iPhone you don't need a ROM at all because there is no crapware, it's stock firmware, and with jailbreaking you can theme.
You don't brick iPhones unless it's intentional and even then you can get a new one for free most likely.
To the op, you can't talk about the pros of an iPhone and attempt to distinguish it against a platform (Android). The 4S is a phone. iOS5 is the platform. If you want to make a fair assessment, you need to compare it with a NEXUS since it's the flagship phone for Android.
I'll give apple their props. They make good products and streamline as much as possible (the ecosystem). If you're the kind of person that just wants a good phone without a NEED of fully customizing/tweaking, then the iPhone is perfect.
On the other hand, I chose an EVO 15 months ago because it suited my needs. Barring any hardware requirement (NFC chip), I know that it'll only be a matter of time until the wonderful devs here at xda will find a way to get it to work on my phone. For example, sense 3.0 isn't officially coming to my phone, but guess what? It's possible to do so, even Sense 3.5. You have the right to point out that certain things don't work, but guess what? Eventually they will and I can wait until the devs complete the project. Let me put it like this:
When people state that the custom ROMs are buggy. It's like a little kid making GINGERBREAD and eating the dough, then complaining that it's not their flavor. You'd simply point out that you gotta finish adding all the ingredients and wait for the finished product. I'm running CM7 GB 2.3.7 and this cookie is sweet.
Lastly, let's say you drive a Ferrari. THE iOS platform is like driving an automatic (no paddle shifter, just a regular gas and break). The Android platform is like a 6 gate manual. You have complete control over the vehicle. You feel more connected because you have a say. You can down shift and speed past the car on your right. Whereas the automatic will force you to remain in high gear because that's what it wants you to think is best for you.
At the end of the day, it's all about whether you're happy with your purchase. Bashing something for the sake of bashing is immature.
P.S. look to your left...that's me passing you up
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z33dev33l said:
hardware has nothing to do with OS, iOS runs infinitely better on lesser hardware.
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If by infinitely better you mean closed & outdated. Sure Windows 95 runs great on lesser hardware also............but who wants that dinosaur **** ?
Sorry but I'll pass on a unix/BSOD system that is closed. I prefer access, insight
& freedom over "easy of use" any day.
After your time with sensation and sense, did anyone try the N9? How does meego feel?
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I was one of those people waiting for Meego 2 years ago. Eventually I got tired of waiting and moved on to Android. Meego is a great concept with so much potentials, but its 2 years late into the game. Nokia already picked Windows Phone as the primary OS for their devices, who knows how much support will Meego get from Nokia. Meego will suffer the same faith as Maemo on the N900. Great community support, but no developer supports. If you really like the hardware design of the N9, the Nokia Lumia 800 is the closest thing you get, but with windows running on it. Meego is just too little too late...
I had an N900 that I thought I loved, thanks to it's power. However, one of the big issues with it for me was the laggy UI and non-GPU accelerated aspect of it. Android isn't GPU accelerated until 4.0, but it usually feels butter smooth anyway (on the right phones). The N900's UI was like 10 to 15 FPS max. Laggy and slow as hell. That really, really bothered me.
Then, Nokia said "Eff you guys, no more support from us". And that was the last Nokia I ever bought; the end.
I still have my N900 after getting the Sensation. I thought I would still use it as a sidewinder for wifi hacking, navigation reading etc, but in the end it sits in a drawer.
I power it on once in a while to see how it feels or play with Meego CE, but I last 5 minutes and go back to the Sensation.
It's like an old school car, you spend time and time again to make them run like you want and in the end a hot hatch is faster, more refined and has more features.
I had mine overclocked with kernels and faster with scripts and whatever else I could think or get from the maemo forums.
Tried the N9 in a store, it's nice and the UI I am sure will serve as a paradigm for later devices just like WebOS.
Having been trapped in a DEAD ecosystem with Nokia in the past I wouldn't buy it though.
We waited for 2 years for flash 10.1 which was promised on launch and we got NOTHING. Now N9ers are waiting for Alien Dalvik which might ore might not come and may not work with everything and may be OEM only.
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I still have my N900 after getting the Sensation. I thought I would still use it as a sidewinder for wifi hacking, navigation reading etc, but in the end it sits in a drawer.
I power it on once in a while to see how it feels or play with Meego CE, but I last 5 minutes and go back to the Sensation.
It's like an old school car, you spend time and time again to make them run like you want and in the end a hot hatch is faster, more refined and has more features.
I had mine overclocked with kernels and faster with scripts and whatever else I could think or get from the maemo forums.
Tried the N9 in a store, it's nice and the UI I am sure will serve as a paradigm for later devices just like WebOS.
Having been trapped in a DEAD ecosystem with Nokia in the past I wouldn't buy it though.
We waited for 2 years for flash 10.1 which was promised on launch and we got NOTHING. Now N9ers are waiting for Alien Dalvik which might ore might not come and may not work with everything and may be OEM only.
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Lol, I remember firing up that flasher to get PR1.2, etc etc. Waiting forever for flash 10.1, that apparent beta release that was just flash 9 but all it did was tell browsers it was flash 10. Flashing the kernel that allowed for the 1Ghz+ overclock. Never lasted long enough to see the community update though, heard it was "great" from the N900 diehards, which probably means it was decent at best.
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Lol, I remember firing up that flasher to get PR1.2, etc etc. Waiting forever for flash 10.1, that apparent beta release that was just flash 9 but all it did was tell browsers it was flash 10. Flashing the kernel that allowed for the 1Ghz+ overclock. Never lasted long enough to see the community update though, heard it was "great" from the N900 diehards, which probably means it was decent at best.
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Yeah, me too. CE edition is slow as hell and really has nothing whatsoever to do with the N9. Nitdroid was far more usable (I used to dual boot so I would get to know Android. btw N900 had GB way before some other high end phones of it's time).
In a strange mix of fortunes the N9 got Harmattan which was going to be Nokia's next step to Maemo and N900 got MeeGo (which was the bastard child of Moblin and Maemo).
Only thing they have in common is compatible apps.
This is getting odd I also had N900 prior Sensation. Is this a coincidence ?
As others said we were betrayed by Nokia. I'll admit I was a Nokia fanboy for a long time (too long maybe) but when I leared we're not getting anything that we were promised and our Ovi Store will be in BETA forever I decided to move to Android
ahh but N900 was a fun device, a true mobile computer in phone formfactor and fantastic community support ( MohammadAG and others are doing fantastic work)
Yeah i know what it means to be a ex-nokia lover, for me the N8x series got.my heart (N80,N82,N86) mainly because of camera.. did u ever use the N900 for wifi cracking?
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My favorites were the Nokia 6300b (not a smartphone), the N79, the N900, and although I never owned one, I really wanted an N96. I had two or three other Nokias, but they're not worth mentioning.
You guys complain about software support, but in ALL honesty, what the heck do you even want that the stock phones didn't have / they don't actually have in Ovi store?
I've started my nokias w/ E71 and am still running strong on E6. Almost all the basic features of your average android, but beastly battery and physical qwerty. I personally use my SGS2 as that fancy supercar, that you take outta your garage to play with once a week, and store it back because its rather impractical in everyday life.
Meego is not a bad system but Nokia N9 is last device with Meego so the support will die soon...That's why i don't recommend
Nokia N9 with MeeGo is too bad
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You guys complain about software support, but in ALL honesty, what the heck do you even want that the stock phones didn't have / they don't actually have in Ovi store?
I've started my nokias w/ E71 and am still running strong on E6. Almost all the basic features of your average android, but beastly battery and physical qwerty. I personally use my SGS2 as that fancy supercar, that you take outta your garage to play with once a week, and store it back because its rather impractical in everyday life.
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The N9 is actually snappier.
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The N9 is actually snappier.
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Yep, all true. I had all the phones in my sig, and actually N9 is the most amazing for a day to day use. I am completely happy with it.
Just picked up a 64 Black myself. Any chance of a small subforum for Meego devices?
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Just picked up a 64 Black myself.
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SEEEXY
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bmstrong said:
Just picked up a 64 Black myself. Any chance of a small subforum for Meego devices?
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What's the point? I doubt you will find too many N9 users here.
Just go to talk.maemo.org or official meego forums.
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SEEEXY
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Best looking mobile I've ever seen and held.
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What's the point? I doubt you will find too many N9 users here.
Just go to talk.maemo.org or official meego forums.
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I already am. It's always nice to have a different set of eyeballs looking at things and another place to call home.
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Best looking mobile I've ever seen and held.
I already am. It's always nice to have a different set of eyeballs looking at things and another place to call home.
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I almost wanted to trade my sensation for a 64gb N9, but then i found this theme ^^
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I couldnt be more happy ^^
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Very nice! But you are missing the hardware. The best looking device I have ever owned.