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Sooo glad I didn't get the iphone 3g

A couple of months ago, when I discovered that the new iphone would support exchange I admit to becoming quite interested in it, as luck would have it I spooted the up and coming diamond and decided to stick with what I know and like (WM). I have had my diamond for a month now and I love it!
Out of interest I looked at some iphone forums today to see how people are getting on with their new toys - result - I am gobsmacked! Loads of problems reported on 3g reception (for which the stock answer on the forums appears to be turn off 3g!) Loads of problems with battery life (for which the stock answers appear to be turn off 3g, don't use WIFI and carry a charger with you at all times) Loads of problems with exchange (is it push or pull?), build quality issues, activation issues (including some guy being chased out of a US apple store and assualted by some "activation monkey" security types because he did not follow the correct in store procedures), the list goes on.
Of course, many punters are very happy with theie purchase but unlike these forums, there appears to me to be a strong tendency to deny that anything could possibly be amiss with the "Jesus" phones' second coming on the basis that any flaw is actually some kind of feature deliberately prescribed by messr Jobs et al.
At leat on XDA-Devs, people are generally honest about issues with their devices and there are plenty of smart folk delivering improvements every day.

adesonic said:
At leat on XDA-Devs, people are generally honest about issues with their devices and there are plenty of smart folk delivering improvements every day.
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Well, I beg to differ.... Remember the whole "accelerated drivers" debacle?
I'd say that the main difference between iPhone lovers and WM people is another one...
1) cupertino lovers, for THE most part, do NOT really care about deficiencies, they just wait for Apple to solve them (which they will do soon enough).
2) WM people are just the opposite: they actively go out and look for solutions.
On the other side, both communities have a strong core of really talented people struggling hard to make their devices work beyond the levels they where supposed to (I don't have to make names, do I?..) The jailbreaking system is really an amazing work of hacking... and it's comparable to having WM5, WM6 and now WM6.1 run on 4 years old phones. Don't you agree?

i agree
i am very interested in gettin the iphone, though i have been drinkin that haterade, nvr been a fan of it, and im gettin on a new contract too... i will be able to keep my tilt and the iphone if i decide to get one, but on the other hand if att brings the tilt2 in sept. or oct. i would rather get that, wut should i do? but i really wanna try that 3g iphone, and battery has always been a prob. wit da iphone.

Im looking at it, but eBay prices put me off. It's only because I lost my P1i, and have 15 months left on my contract. But it's no problem, I've had 6 phones in the last year, so changing during contract isn't a problem. The £450 for 8gb is. I might go to a shop and check the speed of the old iphone on edge. Im on o2 anyway so no problem with unlocking.
But I really do respect how apple have actually taken into account all people said about the original (except for the camera)
just my 2 pence!!
Rory

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Another difference between iPhone and WM users:
1. WM users wonder what sex would be like in zero gravity.
2. iPhone users wonder what sex would be like.

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Another difference between iPhone and WM users:
1. WM users wonder what sex would be like in zero gravity.
2. iPhone users wonder what sex would be like.
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sex for iphone users

Well those were some interesting replies. You have to admit though that the power of the Apple marketing machine is awesome - I mean these things (Iphone or WM) are only tools at the end of the day, but the emotion they can generate.............

I will say this. Some of the iPhone Apps look pretty amazing, especially the planetarium ones. It kind of pisses me off that we WM people cannot get the same quality of apps in that regard. Perhaps when 640x480 gets better adoption the apps will get prettier.
All in all, the iphone apps suck, I mean you gotta have your face book app your yelp app, your myspace app..blahblah, but in the area of starmaps, it appears iphone wins hands down. (of course they get to standardize on one resolution which is higher than most wm resolutions)

I don't know what category I fit in because I've got an iPhone and a Touch and I love them both. The iPhone is for play and the Touch is for business. Both are sexy devices.

My iPhone (original) arrives Monday hopefully. I was going to get the Diamond, but getting an 8GB iPhone for £190 is a steal in my opinion. Compared to £400 plus for the Diamond.
Plus, I'll still have my Athena for the huge screen. I may even experiment with connecting the iPhone to my Athena via USB. Hmmm...
(Covers face in anticipation of stoning)
Rory

I hope you will be very happy with your crippled device.

I am very happy with it. You can all laugh, but I've still got the most expensive PPC HTC have ever made too, so I've got the best of both worlds. But if I get an EEE, the Athena might have to go. But then I'm left 3G-less... Hmm
Rory

Well I bought an iPhone 3G for my girlfriend, took 10 minutes to walk in, get iPhone, and come out activated... No monkeys. I guess I missed out on the fun. As for battery life, no worse than other PPC/Smartphones I've used... The exchange I've heard bad things about, but my girlfriend is 23 and blonde, she doesn't know what push and pull means except when it comes to... Well, nevermind. Overall I think the iPhone is the best device available in North America (where I'm stuck), but I'm waiting on a Touch Pro. I'd never say your idea to grab the Diamond over the iPhone was wrong, but I'd have basically no service here, so that kinda puts a bad taste to the HTC.

Actually the iPhone 3G is right for some people. It is limited in what it does but those things it does do very well. If it does all that you need then fine. Personally I need a bit more and the Diamond gives that.

Well said, I agree completely. For my girlfriend, the iPhone 3G is perfect... Everything she needs and then some. For me? A bit lacking... Hence me waiting for the Touch Pro while using this little POS Sony Ericsson Z310a.

I love my iPhone lol. Everything is so esay on it. And this is coming form someone who has owned 6 HTC phones and 1 UIQ device in the last year.
It trumps them all for me. But this is me. When there is a reason to jailbreak it, I will. I haven't yet because I'm on O2, so don't need it unlocked, and because there are no launchers or apps for 2.0 yet so...
But I am finding it hard to find fault with it, and I'm sure an upgrade to the 3G one will come when the price is more like £300 - £350 rather than £450 - £500.
That said, I do love the way on all my WM phones, I could download any one of a million cabs and it would probably work, no such luck with my iPhone. The google app is great but is basically just links to the web versions of things. Apple remote for itunes won't work properly, Carling's iPint is funny but lasts about 2 minutes as a game, and all the rest of the good apps cost, and I'm not prepared to pay.
Jailbreaking will probably bring pirated apps I guess.
But one last thing, no matter what I've seen anyone do on wm to wmulate the iPhone, nothing comes close to it's smoothness. But it does have a Diamond-like lag in that it loads the background to the app, then about a second later the rest of it. Similar to the diamond loading tabs from what I've seen.
Anyways, I'm not some iPhone fanboy as you can probably see from my join date and post count (although a bunch of my posts are, I will admit, pretty useless) So don't come over here flaming me for foriming aa balanced opinion.
Rory

[Q] Microsoft on the Captivate

With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?

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With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
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I doubt anyone has even tried to load 6.5.3 on it. If Windows Phone 7 comes out and it doesn't suck someone may try to port it. The problem is WP7 seems to heavily favor the Qualcomm Snapdragon platform, so IDK how much luck they would have doing it.
Hopefully a very similar (like exactly) phone will be release with WP7 and we can just borrow it from there.

Not exactly WP7
but it's a launcher, fairly new (first version), needs to flatten out app drawer lag, but I use vlauncher for the apps themselves.
They need to add more features like more white text, swipe gestures, but it's called "Zune home".
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I don't see why anyone would want to downgrade such an amazing OS to windows 6.5! Not sure about wp 7, but i'm still leaning more towards android, especially 2.2.

xbox 360... that is why i want it

There will be a WP7 Samsung phone just like Captivate hardware wise. So, if you want WP7, buy that one.
WM6.xx is too slow and old. It makes zero sense to load them. It's a shame that a phone like HD2 even comes with WM6.5 and has no official way of getting to WP7.
On the other hand, it seems the slowest WP7 phones are all 1GHz and some will show up with 1.2 GHz vesion. So, it is definitely next gen of phone hardware. Captivate is outdated now

I cringed when I read the op

ah, I thought this was some kind of article put out about MS about the captivate...
People ported android to the HD2 because WM BLOWSSS

LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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ksizzle9 said:
LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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The only thing that beats us, is our bigger brother.. the Epic >_<
Sprint always getting the superphones >_>

TheTodFather said:
xbox 360... that is why i want it
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That doesn't even make sense

The epic does not beat the captivate. It runs touchwiz 2.5 since 3.0 does not support landscape. The epic is missing tons of features due to this. My evo with snapdragon runs just as good as my captivate with the lag fix and even faster then the captivate without lag fix. The captivate cpu is a little faster but android is optimized for the snapdragon cpu. Especially 2.2.

I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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tytdfn said:
That doesn't even make sense
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He meant Live intergration, which looks cool. Live arcade marketplace is awesome. Also WP7 will have Netflix streaming which I want. Zune pass is also awesome. If they steal the kin feature to stream it over 3G that will be nice.
Also the epic has more features but it is also bigger, thicker and heavier.

I have not researched this keis thing much. But as far as winmo reading a word doc or be able to sync outlook easily would be all that I think would be useful. which just made me think I wonder if Office mobile itself would be a possibility to run on the captivate. I don't think you really need or want the whole winmo platform. Do you??

quarlow said:
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My friend, if you're looking for a WinMo phone with Captivate-like specs, get the HD2.
Personally, I would love to see a port on the Captivate, but its highly unlikely considering how widely hated WinMo is.

quarlow said:
I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
If I were Apple and Google I would be very depressed with WP7 because MS has commitetd to it and that means lots of resources will be thrown at it. I read that MS is going to spend 500M on advertising this year for WP7. They have also decided to open a Game Studio for WP7 like they did for Xbox with Halo.
Anyway, they also have the most recognizable name in consumer and corporate software. Combining that with the backend services they have like Zune and Live, it will be very hard for Apple and Google to keep innovating at a rate that can compete with MS, especially over the next couple of years. Mobile Phones turn over twice as fast as PCs so saying anyone is late to the party doesn't make sense especially when they still have the third highest market share and they have been on auto-pilot for years.
If you think that WP7 will lack these basic features for long you are sadly mistaken, after rolling up kin by killing it the team is probably stronger than ever.
Just my 0.02.

Bjd223 said:
They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx

8525Smart said:
Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
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I agree that other companies in the space have a lot of money too, but none of them even come close to the R&D budget of MS. It is rediculous that they spend Billions a year on R&D.
Also Microsoft is not afraid to loose money on something just to get its name out there. Xbox 360 is a blackhole of money, about 1.4 Billion worth lost to the RROD alone. I am sorry but if Apple or Google lost 1.4 Billion on anything they would not keep going. Either out of lack of resources or common sense would kick in and they would stop.
To MS it is advertising in the next generation. They will just keep loosing money because it allows them to develope frameworks and other services that will eventually start paying them back on later generations of the devices.

Buy now or wait???

My upgrade is coming up in January but i want the Vibrant so badly that i think imma treat myself and pay full price for it, coz my current phone (omnia 2) is a so ****ty.
But reading all these lag/gps threads has put some second thoughts in my head and thinking of holding off and just upgrading in January and save a bit of cash as well or maybe even the torch.
What are your thoughts wait it out and see if samsung fixes the issues and not be out $500 or its worth buying now because the lag fixes fix everything and gps is not so bad?

if you need a new phone now, buy it
the problems you read are exaggerated as usual.
been using it for over a month using stock ROMs every feature works and no lags
GPS is a must thing for me, and it works as soon as i turn it on within 5~10sec
if you don't need a phone now
then wait for better phones coming out next year

well i don't want another phone and i think the vibrant is very nice better then my freezing and laggy omnia.

Get the vibrant now and save your upgrade for the next best thing next year. At $520 tax in its a steal now that you can unlock it for free.

My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.

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My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.
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thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?

jebise101 said:
thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?
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Any of the new HTC phones, including the Desire HD. They admittedly have the now infamous 1Ghz snapdragon but theres a good possibility they are paired with an Adreno 205 (which has a graphics chipset based on Power VR SGX 535). That would give the HTC phones equal performance considering froyo + will be better optimised for snapdragon processors.
Graphics performance is not as good as the galaxy s chipset but good enough.
HTC's in general I've found are better built but now were encroaching on personal preference territory. This may be simply because HTC have had more time to perfect android or just Ive had a more solid experience with HTC android phones.
rest assured there will be a whole flood of non-samsung androids come christmas so perhaps hold off till end of September and pick the best price/feature phone at that time. More exciting is the prospect of google tv, greater adoption and connection of android devices.
p.s. theres also windows mobile and its host of offerings.

In regards to Windows Mobile, unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have joined the party much too late (which is a pity actually). I don't believe WM7 will survive, because Blackberry owns the corporate market, Apple owns the home market, Symbian/custom OS's owns the cheaper smartphone market and Android owns the technical market (although, it is now accelerating it's growth).
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
Yep, and the Nexus One wasn't perfect either:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/186399/google_faces_deluge_of_nexus_one_complaints.html . Remember that? And now, people LOVE the nexus one.
The main issue seems to be GPS though on this phone, as people who oppose the lag found switching to EXT fixes their issue.. But GPS, there was no known solution. So whilst there may be similar phones released in september, I forgot to mention you should either wait to see what GPS does, or wait a while before grabbing another phone (because they might have other serious issues on release).
But be cautious about claims made in forums, and wait until you see proof (even here). One idiot who owned a Sony Ericson blog claimed with authority that this phone definitely had 360MB RAM (rather than the full 512), I see people constantly grab quadrant and take note of every 0.5%-1% increase in score they see and try to correlate them to speed of the ROM (because 1% increase in quadrant would be visibly noticeable?) and I've seen people claim that because NMEA sends dodgy packets, the problem is DEFINITELY hardware, without checking if the drivers, or the device is sending them.
Make sure you wait for sufficient evidence. If the GPS DOES get fixed though, and tracking software consistently shows accurate tracks (when sitting down and moving), I'd personally recommend selecting this phone, because unlike the current competing devices, it has good hardware (even a proper multitouch controller), and we mostly know it's problems and limitations now.

andrewluecke said:
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
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Even the HTC Desired have (had) the problem with the proximity sensor, good thing our great team at XDA made a hack to fix that.
unfortunately or fortunately depending how you look at it, iphone people are not as free to do as they please with their phones.
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Buy it
This Phone is SWEET.
sending a playlist to my windows 7 computer, which connects to my stereo with an outdoor speaker, while sitting outside drinking wine and smoking a cigar. Priceless.
This phone Rocks. buy one, hell buy two lol.

I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.

Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?

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Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?
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Not in public please!
OP - Mine was delivered yesterday - I'd say buy one. It's awesome!

I'd definitely recommend waiting, but not because of the lag/gps ; Gingerbread should allow for some awesome phones come this holiday season(mainly phones with a higher res).

azgull said:
I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.
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Also figured I'd mention that coming from AMOLED; I don't think I'd able to downgrade that. The washed out blacks are so dreadful. Super AMOLED promising even better contrasts (and actually working in sunlight) can only be a winner. I did consider waiting for Desire HD, but choose not to, purely because of the screen.

What do you guys think are the chances of i9000 getting gingerbread ???
Samsung said official 2.2 will be around september, and 3.0 will be launched around mid-october , so maybe we will have 3.0 for i9000 around february
Desire HD will launch around mid-september , it will come with 2.2, and will probably get 3.0 in december - january

Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while

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Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while
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StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.

Toss3 said:
StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.
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Did Google say that, or was it rumored

Hi there,
i have my Galaxy S for about 2 Weeks and i am happy with it.
The Display is very clear (even with an lower resolution than the IP4).
No jailbreaking or something else to get some stuff working on this nice phone.
Nice functions and a good UI.
Great phone!
...only GPS sucks a little bit, but i hope this will be fixed
Greetings
DerRaven

Nokia N9

After your time with sensation and sense, did anyone try the N9? How does meego feel?
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I was one of those people waiting for Meego 2 years ago. Eventually I got tired of waiting and moved on to Android. Meego is a great concept with so much potentials, but its 2 years late into the game. Nokia already picked Windows Phone as the primary OS for their devices, who knows how much support will Meego get from Nokia. Meego will suffer the same faith as Maemo on the N900. Great community support, but no developer supports. If you really like the hardware design of the N9, the Nokia Lumia 800 is the closest thing you get, but with windows running on it. Meego is just too little too late...

I had an N900 that I thought I loved, thanks to it's power. However, one of the big issues with it for me was the laggy UI and non-GPU accelerated aspect of it. Android isn't GPU accelerated until 4.0, but it usually feels butter smooth anyway (on the right phones). The N900's UI was like 10 to 15 FPS max. Laggy and slow as hell. That really, really bothered me.
Then, Nokia said "Eff you guys, no more support from us". And that was the last Nokia I ever bought; the end.

I still have my N900 after getting the Sensation. I thought I would still use it as a sidewinder for wifi hacking, navigation reading etc, but in the end it sits in a drawer.
I power it on once in a while to see how it feels or play with Meego CE, but I last 5 minutes and go back to the Sensation.
It's like an old school car, you spend time and time again to make them run like you want and in the end a hot hatch is faster, more refined and has more features.
I had mine overclocked with kernels and faster with scripts and whatever else I could think or get from the maemo forums.
Tried the N9 in a store, it's nice and the UI I am sure will serve as a paradigm for later devices just like WebOS.
Having been trapped in a DEAD ecosystem with Nokia in the past I wouldn't buy it though.
We waited for 2 years for flash 10.1 which was promised on launch and we got NOTHING. Now N9ers are waiting for Alien Dalvik which might ore might not come and may not work with everything and may be OEM only.

xenios said:
I still have my N900 after getting the Sensation. I thought I would still use it as a sidewinder for wifi hacking, navigation reading etc, but in the end it sits in a drawer.
I power it on once in a while to see how it feels or play with Meego CE, but I last 5 minutes and go back to the Sensation.
It's like an old school car, you spend time and time again to make them run like you want and in the end a hot hatch is faster, more refined and has more features.
I had mine overclocked with kernels and faster with scripts and whatever else I could think or get from the maemo forums.
Tried the N9 in a store, it's nice and the UI I am sure will serve as a paradigm for later devices just like WebOS.
Having been trapped in a DEAD ecosystem with Nokia in the past I wouldn't buy it though.
We waited for 2 years for flash 10.1 which was promised on launch and we got NOTHING. Now N9ers are waiting for Alien Dalvik which might ore might not come and may not work with everything and may be OEM only.
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Lol, I remember firing up that flasher to get PR1.2, etc etc. Waiting forever for flash 10.1, that apparent beta release that was just flash 9 but all it did was tell browsers it was flash 10. Flashing the kernel that allowed for the 1Ghz+ overclock. Never lasted long enough to see the community update though, heard it was "great" from the N900 diehards, which probably means it was decent at best.

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Lol, I remember firing up that flasher to get PR1.2, etc etc. Waiting forever for flash 10.1, that apparent beta release that was just flash 9 but all it did was tell browsers it was flash 10. Flashing the kernel that allowed for the 1Ghz+ overclock. Never lasted long enough to see the community update though, heard it was "great" from the N900 diehards, which probably means it was decent at best.
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Yeah, me too. CE edition is slow as hell and really has nothing whatsoever to do with the N9. Nitdroid was far more usable (I used to dual boot so I would get to know Android. btw N900 had GB way before some other high end phones of it's time).
In a strange mix of fortunes the N9 got Harmattan which was going to be Nokia's next step to Maemo and N900 got MeeGo (which was the bastard child of Moblin and Maemo).
Only thing they have in common is compatible apps.

This is getting odd I also had N900 prior Sensation. Is this a coincidence ?
As others said we were betrayed by Nokia. I'll admit I was a Nokia fanboy for a long time (too long maybe) but when I leared we're not getting anything that we were promised and our Ovi Store will be in BETA forever I decided to move to Android
ahh but N900 was a fun device, a true mobile computer in phone formfactor and fantastic community support ( MohammadAG and others are doing fantastic work)

Yeah i know what it means to be a ex-nokia lover, for me the N8x series got.my heart (N80,N82,N86) mainly because of camera.. did u ever use the N900 for wifi cracking?
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My favorites were the Nokia 6300b (not a smartphone), the N79, the N900, and although I never owned one, I really wanted an N96. I had two or three other Nokias, but they're not worth mentioning.

You guys complain about software support, but in ALL honesty, what the heck do you even want that the stock phones didn't have / they don't actually have in Ovi store?
I've started my nokias w/ E71 and am still running strong on E6. Almost all the basic features of your average android, but beastly battery and physical qwerty. I personally use my SGS2 as that fancy supercar, that you take outta your garage to play with once a week, and store it back because its rather impractical in everyday life.

Meego is not a bad system but Nokia N9 is last device with Meego so the support will die soon...That's why i don't recommend

Nokia N9 with MeeGo is too bad

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You guys complain about software support, but in ALL honesty, what the heck do you even want that the stock phones didn't have / they don't actually have in Ovi store?
I've started my nokias w/ E71 and am still running strong on E6. Almost all the basic features of your average android, but beastly battery and physical qwerty. I personally use my SGS2 as that fancy supercar, that you take outta your garage to play with once a week, and store it back because its rather impractical in everyday life.
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The N9 is actually snappier.

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The N9 is actually snappier.
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Yep, all true. I had all the phones in my sig, and actually N9 is the most amazing for a day to day use. I am completely happy with it.

Just picked up a 64 Black myself. Any chance of a small subforum for Meego devices?

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Just picked up a 64 Black myself.
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SEEEXY
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Just picked up a 64 Black myself. Any chance of a small subforum for Meego devices?
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What's the point? I doubt you will find too many N9 users here.
Just go to talk.maemo.org or official meego forums.
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Xxul said:
SEEEXY
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Best looking mobile I've ever seen and held.
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What's the point? I doubt you will find too many N9 users here.
Just go to talk.maemo.org or official meego forums.
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I already am. It's always nice to have a different set of eyeballs looking at things and another place to call home.

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Best looking mobile I've ever seen and held.
I already am. It's always nice to have a different set of eyeballs looking at things and another place to call home.
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I almost wanted to trade my sensation for a 64gb N9, but then i found this theme ^^
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I couldnt be more happy ^^
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Very nice! But you are missing the hardware. The best looking device I have ever owned.

Anyone cancelling/returning their Note 8 in favour of the iPhone X?

I'm sticking with my Note 8 order: The S-Pen and screen size are clinchers for me.
But following today's Apple event and for the first time in five or six years, I can foresee a day I'll go back to iPhones.
The X looks pretty damn special. Anyone tempted?

Nope.
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Nope.
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Ha! No hesitation - you're clearly made of sterner stuff than me

Its not out for 2 months. I will have already gone through the Note 8, V30, Pixel 2 and Mate 10 by then.....
But it does look great.... Doesn't really do anything the Note doesn't do, perhaps more elegantly in some parts, and the same on others... But that is always Apple. Except the stereo speakers. I had that on the iphone 76 plus and its really a nice thing to have...

Not happening...

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I'm sticking with my Note 8 order: The S-Pen and screen size are clinchers for me.
But following today's Apple event and for the first time in five or six years, I can foresee a day I'll go back to iPhones.
The X looks pretty damn special. Anyone tempted?
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Dat wireless charger and facial recognition doe!! <---sarcasm. Features that Samsung already has.
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Very disappointed with the look of the iPhone 8 and 8+. Why you anyone buy one? Look like the iPhone 7.

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Haha!
Ok turns out I asked this question on the wrong forum...

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Very disappointed with the look of the iPhone 8 and 8+. Why you anyone buy one? Look like the iPhone 7.
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Agree the iPhone 8 is boring. Same old.
Its the X that intrigues me.

I'm very tempted where it not for the long wait.
Apple just does everything that much better then everyone else.
Love the ui and speakers. 2 things which annoy me the most about samsung, poor speakers and laggy ui.
That edge to edge design kills note 8 design.
The first time apple have impressed me with their iphone x.

With me it is about the ecosystem first, then hardware second.
I can't get with the Apple's closed ecosystem. So Android is my ecosystem.
That said I really like Apple's Face ID and what goes with it. Apple did that right. And the software for the cameras is really nice. That iWatch 3 is really sweet too.
I hope that Samsung, LG, and Google learns from Apple with these. I would love to see these technologies and improvements in the near future in Android devices like Samsung Galaxy Note 9, LG V40 and Android watches in 2018.
The screen on the iPhone X looks just like a couple of Android flagship phones in 2017. So that is not exclusive to iPhone X only. But I like Samsung to take Galaxy Note 9 to that next level. Afterall Samsung made iPhone X screens.
iPhone X just gives me excited to see what Android manufacturers will do in 2018.
Looks like 2017 is Apple's tick and Samsung's tock. 2018 will most likely be Samsung's tick and Apple's tock cycle
This year I was looking into LG V30 and Samsung Galaxy Note 8. Since I was a Galaxy Note 7 user I chose Galaxy Note 8 this year. But that was a tough decision. LG V30 camera software, true wide-angle lense, and good audio quality made LG V30 very attempting.

Nothing revolutionary just an apple branded s8+. Only good thing is better facial recognition and dual speakers?
The notch up top is gonna be awful in landscape while gaming and watching movies.
n8 display has no notch and more screen estate. whats happens when your drop the phone and and crack the facial camera ? expensive repairs and no way unlock unless password.
I like having the fingerprint sensor as a fail safe as well as sd card support and 3.5mm headphone jack

The reason I dished out $1,468 (CAD after taxes) was entirely to have that glorious S-Pen again.
The iPhone X runs at $1,484 here, taxes in, and although the design is intriguing, it won't be enough for me to jump into iOS and ditch the S-Pen that I've been missing for what feels like an eternity.

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I hope that Samsung, LG, and Google learns from Apple with these. I would love to see these technologies and improvements in the near future in Android devices
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Exactly this.
I caught myself hoping the iPhone X would be a disappointment. Another boring, derivative design. But in coming up with an exciting, beautiful phone, they're simulating the competition.

Will have wait and see what kind of sales Verizon or Best Buy are going to have before Christmas. Best Buys' $150 Note 8 sale plus $480 trade in Verizon gave me for my LG G6, it was too hard to pass up on the deal. So far, the Note 8 is probably the best phone I have ever owned.

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Exactly this.
I caught myself hoping the iPhone X would be a disappointment. Another boring, derivative design. But in coming up with an exciting, beautiful phone, they're simulating the competition.
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The Tick Tock Cycle.
The tick part of the cycle is about new technologies and new styles.
The tock part of the the cycle is about refining the technologies and styles.
Last year Apple was in the tock cycle and Samsung was in the tick cycle (until the Note 7 battery issues).
This year Apple is in the tick cycle and Samsung is in the tock cycle.
Next year looks like Apple will be in the tock cycle and Samsung will be in the tick cycle.
Truth to be told. Both platforms get the same technologies sooner or later.
What is really important is the ecosystems. That is where one should make decision between iOS vs Android. Then make decision of hardware within that chosen platform.

Nope.
I never buy first gen Apple products. I made that mistake with the original iPhone.
Will wait and see what the next iteration looks like before I would even consider it.

I left that eco system 8 years ago and I'm NEVER going back.

No, might have thought about it if they would have made a smaller Apple pencil that would work with it but they didn't so I won't give up my note 8 because of the spen. To me the spen separates the Note 8 from all other flagship phones..
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the new what? Iphone what?
lol.....
No i am an android man. I only wanted the first iphone. Couldnt get it and ended up with a HTC G1 (the dream). And with android i stay. And move to samsung and say with them.
Also note that samsung makes the lcd that is in the new iphone. Idk why they would do that, but i guess its a money thing. Even tho apple has sue them before for other stuff.
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lol... There talking so much about face id unlock and we been having Iris unlock since the note 7 hahahhah.
apple people.