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[Q] Nexus One or Bell Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant? I have both, need to sell one.

I just won a free Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant with Bell Mobility, but which one should I keep? I love my Nexus One, and it seems that there is a lot more development for the N1 right now. I am a rom flashing junkie, love to tinker with my phone, and make update.zip files for fun...
That being said, clearly the N1 is better.. but only for right now. Does anyone have any insight on when the Galaxy will get as much attention? It is on 5-6 networks already after all..
Thanks!
Either way, lets get a rom dump and see what we can play with

fiftyclick said:
I just won a free Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant with Bell Mobility, but which one should I keep? I love my Nexus One, and it seems that there is a lot more development for the N1 right now. I am a rom flashing junkie, love to tinker with my phone, and make update.zip files for fun...
That being said, clearly the N1 is better.. but only for right now. Does anyone have any insight on when the Galaxy will get as much attention? It is on 5-6 networks already after all..
Thanks!
Either way, lets get a rom dump and see what we can play with
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Galaxy S probably has the better hardware.
N1 will continue to get android releases from google first ... once the Galaxy S is out on all networks and widely sold, I would expect custom rom development to explode for it (and be the same if not better than for the n1)
=> I would keep the galaxy (based on better hardware alone)

i would keep both. you have the best of both world. N1 which is will have the most updated android and SGS which has best hardware at this moment. but with some issues on software. but that will be all figured out. play with both and then make your decision.
BTW, hating on you so much. lucky SOB.

Whatever you do, don't get rid of the N1. Either keep both and hope the Galaxy issues get resolved (GPS AND Compass) or sell the Galaxy. The Galaxy has much faster graphics performance and built in HDMI out via USB but, unfortunately, the GPS and Compass issue make it a no go for a day to day user. The thing about the Nexus is that it will continue to get updates first and,likely, there will be much more development on it. Likely, this will result in much better tuned software and possibly even open up even more functionality. With the core hardware issues of the Samsung, you are at the mercy of Samsung and their track record is not so good. I actually bought a Vibrant (Galaxy S) and returned it.

Hey! I'm a new Nexus One user. I've been using the Galaxy S for a long time and in the end chose the N1 over it. Yes, the hardware on the GS is better than the N1, but really, for me it all came down to keeping the phone that made me feel heavenly -- the N1!

You will be better off in the long run with the Nexus One...

I sold my n1 for the sgs and I'm not looking back.. true Multitouch, memory ,gpu and super amoled was enough for me. N1 was great, but the sgs is better IMO... development is starting pretty well. Especially soon....

[Q]IOS 4 running on an android phone ! can our sgs do that !

i was browsing the web and i found an interesting video showing the htc magic running ios 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY-uRRCARJw
i was thinking that our sgs has almost the same spec as the iphone 4(processor, amount of rom and ram), it would be possible to dump ios 4 on it ! that would definetly decrease the sell of iphone 4 ! with the 4 inch SA screen ios apps and games would rock on the sgs !
i also believe that the sgs has the most powerful HW , here is the GL benchmark results showing sgs on top of other phones followed by the iphone
http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp

The biggest problem would be the resolution. The iphone 4 resolution is 960x640 and our SGS is only 800x400.
So porting iOS 4 to a SGS, sounds very dificult.

Looks fake but a very good (not nice) theme.

why would I want to do that

zyo said:
why would I want to do that
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Exactly…
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Billus said:
Looks fake but a very good (not nice) theme.
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Android has been up and running on older iPhones for a few months now via dualbooting (iBoot).
Got to remember however that Android is designed to run on a variety of hardware configurations.
iOS is NOT designed to run on anything without specific Apple-selected hardware. Drivers would need to be created for each component of each phone, the resolution would need to be the same, it would need to be able to sync with iTunes to use, etc. Basically, far too much bother.
I would be more interested in the possibilities of WP7 or Meego (or maybe WebOS in the future?...) ports since they're available for lots of hardware configurations. Particularly WP7, since the Galaxy S seems to share the exact hardware requirements for the first generation of WP7 devices launching next month, including those by Samsung.

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I bought the SGS after choosing that I wanted an android phone. I didn't pick this phone and then settled for the os that came with it.

Even if legit, why would you want to do that? If you want iOS get an iPhone, it would run better on the hardware it was designed for anyway.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

zyo said:
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agree

I bought this phone to own it and do whatever i want with it. On the iOS, certain Mr Jobs always have a noose around your neck with 5 updates a year...
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As far as I remember that video is fake, and it was done so that an iPhone's screen was captured with some program and then played with the HTC. The guy admittedly had to record the video a couple of times by the time he managed to synchronise his finger movement to the video playing on the HTC.

I agree with the most committed Android fans here, why the hell would we want to have iOS??? Like most we made the decision for freedom and choice and to be able to create and share our own content, not just consume.
However, I am curious to know if there is a way to get IPA's to work on Android. The market is a little short on well polished games so it would be great to see if there is a way to get them onto the current generation of Android devices.

"why not"
cause "you can"
a hack is a hack, it's fun, doesn't mean you should replace android by ios for daily use. still, i'd try it for fun.
now, the video is prolly a fake anyway, but hey, you never know

Its coming out on april 1st next year a leaked samsung doc said

I was introduced to Android by installing Froyo on my iPhone 3G and dual booting it with iOS4. It made me want to sell the iPhone and get a "real" Android phone since the battery only lasted 90 mins in Froyo and it was seriously underpowered (but still faster than my mate's Magic).
Like hell, am I ever going back to iOS! To any of you who haven't previously owned an iPhone, trust me when I say that you aren't missing out on anything. Tweaking or customising anything in iOS on supported hardware was a pain in the back-side. Porting it to another device would be an absolute nightmare and really not worth the hassle!

"Why would I want to" and the like really don't add value to the conversation, dudes...
I was tempted to jump into the "can I run WM7 on the SGS" thread with the same childish smart ass comment, but took the mature path and just didn't bother reading the thread at all. Despite not being able to fathom why someone would want to, it's a legitimate technical question to ask if someone is interested in doing it.

Why the hate????
I've always known the guys at xda doing awesome things to their mobile phones, just because they can.
It's this "because we can" and "can we do this" attitude that has built xda from nothing to something very brilliant.
Had we not had such enterprising members, we'd never become the no. 1 andorid hackers in the world.
There is not a single forum that is as good and as xda.
Anyways I am very interested in this project. Dual booting the iOs is still awesome.
It's not a bad idea at all although it will take years before anything ever boots.

ikenley said:
I agree with the most committed Android fans here, why the hell would we want to have iOS??? Like most we made the decision for freedom and choice and to be able to create and share our own content, not just consume.
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Agreed, I left iFail due to it being locked down by Dictator Jobs. However playing/hacking is fun but I wouldnt want to use it as an everyday device.

lets see what comes first, ios on sgs or duke nukem forever...

FadeFx said:
lets see what comes first, ios on sgs or duke nukem forever...
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haha, nice one!

[Q] nexus one and gingerbread - past and future?

if gingerbread is the future of android devices, it suppose to support hardware capabilities that may not be on the nexus that has been around for a while.
i really wanted to buy a nexus, but it seems that when android 3.0 is out - it should be followed by high end devices by HTC and others.
i really don't know what to do here...
gingerbread is said to launch mid november - not a long time to hold off.
but hey, what do think? wait or buy nexus now?

That is Exactly what I am doing! The desire HD looks wonderful, but i think There will be a VERY nice phone coming on T mobile with new gingerbread already there around Christmas....Just my guess
It seems T mobile and Google have some sort of special deal when it comes to android, like getting stock android phones.....and there MUST be a stock gingerbread phone coming soon!

oronm said:
if gingerbread is the future of android devices, it suppose to support hardware capabilities that may not be on the nexus that has been around for a while.
i really wanted to buy a nexus, but it seems that when android 3.0 is out - it should be followed by high end devices by HTC and others.
i really don't know what to do here...
gingerbread is said to launch mid november - not a long time to hold off.
but hey, what do think? wait or buy nexus now?
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First, Gingerbread will run fine on a N1. Second, no matter when you buy a phone in a couple months another one will come out that is even better. The N1 has an awesome modding scene though.

First, Gingerbread will run fine on a N1.
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nobody know that for sure...the minimal requirements may suit the N1 but it may lack the ability to perform certain tasks. we've seen it happen with other phones.
Second, no matter when you buy a phone in a couple months another one will come out that is even better
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true for most cases. to me nexus is different from others by design. that phone feels right. i really couldn't care less about all these samsungs or motorolas that are out there. and other htc devices seem too big like the desire HD that was mentioned.
basicly, the world need a NEXUS TWO!

So you think Google will develop an OS using their development phone, but not all features of the OS will work on the phone they developed it on? I highly doubt that. Google debunked the minimum requirements roomer for Gingerbread, that was nothing but a site trying to get traffic. Do a little thinking on the subject.
If I were getting a new phone soon though, I would wait till the next gen ones come out. I do love my Nexus though!

the nexus one was a success in regard of telling the world "this is what android can do right now". others did follow and it is biting the market share making other mobile OS look like code accidents.
none the less, why shouldn't gingerbread allow "facetime like" video service for capable devices? the technology for that is in the wild. that is only one example. i am sure there are more features just like that.
at this point, maybe it would be smarter to wait.

oronm said:
the nexus one was a success in regard of telling the world "this is what android can do right now". others did follow and it is biting the market share making other mobile OS look like code accidents.
none the less, why shouldn't gingerbread allow "facetime like" video service for capable devices? the technology for that is in the wild. that is only one example. i am sure there are more features just like that.
at this point, maybe it would be smarter to wait.
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Whether or not Gingerbread includes a facetime like option is irrelevant to how it will run on the N1. Obviously any phone without a front-facing camera will not be able to do something like facetime. Gingerbread itself will run just fine on the N1. Without going into any technical reasons, just think of this. Of all the Android phones out there right now, the top ones are all in the general vicinity of the N1 in performance. If Gingerbread wouldn't run on the N1, then you cut out these phones too which means only as-yet-unreleased phones would run Gingerbread. So on what basis are you questioning it?
You should probably wait though since you don't seem sure about the N1. The only guarantee you can have is that in a few months from now an even better phone will be released. And then a few months from that once again, and repeat... Dual core snapdragons will start finding their way into phones at some point soon. If you're not rushed then just wait and see what comes out.

Is this the end of I9000 as we know it???.

With dual core I9100 with dual-core processor & 'honeycomb' around the corner, I think its the end of an era called I9000. With more than 12 million I9000s sold, there is a bleak future for it.

well its not like those 12 million phones are just gonna stop working when the new one comes out..........well maybe 6 million might have the sd cards stop working but im in a debate with myself whether to get the atrix or the S2 its hard

Everything that has a beginning have an end

we probably still have gingerbread to play around. [optimistic mode]

I hope samsung doesn't stop making new phones. One flagship model a year is very reasonable. Aside from a few specialty models here and there for specific carriers, they certainly have the right idea. One new phone a year is great and the one I have now will do just fine until my contract is up.
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Right all 12+ million are going straight in the garbage on galaxy s2 launch day, because everyone has the cash to buy a new $500+ phone every year and the galaxy S will all of the sudden be less capable.
'Bleak future' because the next version is out? Hate to break it to you but all these pieces of tech are dated and have replacements in the works before they even hit the shelves. There is no 'future' for any of them, just a moment in the sun and the glory starts fading almost instantly. Enjoy what you have and focus on the new tech when you're ready to pay for it again and start the cycle anew.
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The performance of the samsung galaxy s is absolutly fast enough (-> imo with speedmod and lagfix it's brilliant). Furthermore Gingerbread will also come for the i9000, so no need to worry. I think Samsung will not drop the phone's support so soon.

Exactly, and with all the custom roms that are going around, Im pretty sure that you'll be able to get a few more updates out of the phone before it simply can't run the latest firmware anymore.

I hate these threads. Even with the Galaxy S 2, our phones will still be 'mid range' and will still do the things that we have been using them for!

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With dual core I9100 with dual-core processor & 'honeycomb' around the corner, I think its the end of an era called I9000. With more than 12 million I9000s sold, there is a bleak future for it.
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The i9000 is the beginning
Besides, there are stil some things we can do, mostly kernel related.
Love to see GPU at 275mhz adjustment in kernel (only GPU, no CPU oc).
Remove the 56/57 FPS restriction in kernel
Update GPU's drivers in kernel
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Considering cm7 is almost stable, i'd say this is the beginning of the i9000
As long as google makes new firmware's available and the cm team keep up to date, our devices will as well. Just look at the G1
1.5 -> 1.6 -> 2.0 ->2.1 -> 2.2....
Developers + open source = We decide when a device is near its end

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Considering cm7 is almost stable, i'd say this is the beginning of the i9000
As long as google makes new firmware's available and the cm team keep up to date, our devices will as well. Just look at the G1
1.5 -> 1.6 -> 2.0 ->2.1 -> 2.2....
Developers + open source = We decide when a device is near its end
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Even more, if you look at "older" device, like the HTC vogue, it got the latest version even if it was running WinMo before... Even if samsung cease support for the SGS and 2.3 or 2.4 is the last available "official" port, we got plenty of support from the devs in here for a long time!

Fail thread....................
CM7 is really stable, this is a huge leap towards future upgrades. It's took so long for the guys to get past all Samsungs crap and finally they're making real progress. So how is this the end of the i9000? There are plenty of REALLY old phones still running the latest version of android.

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Fail thread....................
CM7 is really stable, this is a huge leap towards future upgrades. It's took so long for the guys to get past all Samsungs crap and finally they're making real progress. So how is this the end of the i9000? There are plenty of REALLY old phones still running the latest version of android.
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I'm still having a Nokia3310. :embarassed:
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I'm still having a Nokia3310. :embarassed:
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Dude don't be embarrassed, play as much snake and space invaders as you like!

At the end of the day with all these dual core processors are they really going to be able to do anything our single cores can't?
The only immediate advantage i can see is for gaming, its not like web browsing or texting needs two cores.
As for nfc well i can't see it replacing bank cards any time soon. Everyone thought visa and the like would spell the end for cash and it hasn't.
I think its a lot of fuss over nothing and is only gonna be good for people who like to measure their e-penis!
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I actually think the SGS is in great shape with CM7 on the way. Plus its hardware can probably handle anything up to 2.4 and dual cores are not that big of a deal. So rest assured we still have a future ahead.
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ragin said:
With dual core I9100 with dual-core processor & 'honeycomb' around the corner, I think its the end of an era called I9000. With more than 12 million I9000s sold, there is a bleak future for it.
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its totally depend on people interest,,,,,if dev os interested in one pertucular device then some how devlopment is going on,i had touch hd and still dev is cooking rom........................so its hard to say.and upto how long we will keep on buying new handset?every year new cellphone with new technology..........i think that is policy of mobile company to give less support to existing phone and sell new more,,,,,,,,i think ones they sell mobile they forgot coustomer,,,,,,tht why microsoft is on oxygen....

im more than happy with my SGS and i wont panic into buyins the SGS-2 until i think its necessary,
2x processors = 2x quicker battery drain... unless there is a massive breakthrough in powering a battery for longer.... we will all be carrying our own personal 'car battery' to keep our phones running.
it will be like going back to the 80's with a phone bigger than a breeze block.
but if you can afford a new SGS-2 by all means go for it !!! but us SGS 1 owners aint embarrassed... there wont be a massive difference IMO except our wallets will be lighter and maybe our credit rating a bit higher
who cares.

Can a noob like myself state that the OP is talking utter, utter nonsense without being accused of flaming? I know I shouldn't get irritated, and please let me know if you think I'm out of order, but such ludicrous generalisations as the OPs, stated as bald fact without any evidence whatsoever deserve to be shot down, IMHO.
I've had my Galaxy for two weeks. It's doing everything I need it to do, and thanks to the wonderful people here, it's tweaked to death, quick, responsive and has also become my main music player (thanks supercurio!). I see absolutely no need to even consider replacing it because something new and shiny is just around the corner. Something new and shiny is always just around the corner.
"This is the end as we know it"
"End of an era"
"Bleak future"
Good grief. Armageddon time.Just as well you're not being melodramatic, eh? I'll try to survive in this era (an era of less than a year? Of course!) as long as i can...
I think t1mann has it right.

Game over tab 8.9?

Samsung will likely release a next gen tab in Barcelona. Will this mean minimal support for our tab?
I was a big defender of android for 2 years. But i have had it. Will switch over to iphone 5 and ipad 3. Our tab rom from Samsung is suboptimal to say the least. Still no ICS. App quality still sucks for business, science, musicians etc. Improvement too slow. I thought differently 6 months ago but now it seems we can not catch up to Apple ecosystem.
I am just trying to make a rational decision, no ideological arguments.
I know I know...go ahead, hit me...
cheers
chris

There's a couple of nice ICS roms over in the development forum, I'm using the latest Galaxian Soup alpha and it's awesome.

I agree.. I'm feeling frustrated from lag and the low support from my device. Yes Apple taking the full control for IOS.. But I realise that its for good.....
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I am still not sold on the iOS

here at the WEF
I also need to admit that I am in a bad mood right now...which prompted me to start this thread.
I am here in Davos at the wef. looking around I see only ipads. the special wef app on my tab 8.9 fcs all the time, looks terribly designed and can not be used in landscape on the tablet!
on the ipad the same app looks great andworks in landscape. that just fuelled my anger....

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There's a couple of nice ICS roms over in the development forum, I'm using the latest Galaxian Soup alpha and it's awesome.
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None of the roms for the 8.9 seem to display hdmi out correctly or have other significant issues.
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SGSChris said:
I also need to admit that I am in a bad mood right now...which prompted me to start this thread.
I am here in Davos at the wef. looking around I see only ipads. the special wef app on my tab 8.9 fcs all the time, looks terribly designed and can not be used in landscape on the tablet!
on the ipad the same app looks great andworks in landscape. that just fuelled my anger....
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well but that ain't really androids or samsungs fault. if someone designs a crappy app for android and a well working app for ios then of course it will look better on ios....
as for support. the older iphones aren't getting any updates and ipad1 is missing out on a lot of features that the ipad2 got via software. so it aint like android is all bad and ios is all good.
that being said, yeah samsung is being slow releasing stuff and touchwizz is bloated crap. they should try and please people releasing updates as fast as possible instead of bloating them and making them slower.

I've only owned my sgt 8.9 for a month and I think th nhardware is fantastic and going from iphone 3-4s and my wifes ipad 2 to this android and samsung show they can pull it off better than apple in most ways.... But.....
Time between releases isn't practical, the features of true clean android os (no samsung excess besides ebook) are fantastic but samsung kill it with touchwiz and excess compulsary samsung apps, and the market is great but also it's own worst enemy. (but we cant do anything about that because its un-regulated so to speak). Been muking around with custom roms and my hats off to the develooers as they're are really trying to polish up and bring us the best experience possible but they're relying on samsung to continue support but sadly they just are developing enough for our developers to improve on.
It's sad when a combination of 2 great products with both ability, style and funding can't bring it together and focus on fewer models or realeases to perfect something thats already almost there and really flex there muscles in the face of the competition.
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None of the roms for the 8.9 seem to display hdmi out correctly or have other significant issues.
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This is true, I suppose it really depends upon what you are using the tablet for.

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well but that ain't really androids or samsungs fault. if someone designs a crappy app for android and a well working app for ios then of course it will look better on ios....
as for support. the older iphones aren't getting any updates and ipad1 is missing out on a lot of features that the ipad2 got via software. so it aint like android is all bad and ios is all good.
that being said, yeah samsung is being slow releasing stuff and touchwizz is bloated crap. they should try and please people releasing updates as fast as possible instead of bloating them and making them slower.
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agree, but that is why we need to consider the whole ecosystem that generates design standards, a sense of esthetics and professionalism and coolness...
samsung seems to push new bricks with better technology at a frantic speed but this does not improve usability. they are bad at engaging users and are terrible on the softwareside. It also seems that the ios ecosystem has the more demanding users that care less about tech and custom roms but overall usability.
I have my tab now for 5 months, there has not been a release of any appropriate rom by samsung for a 600$ Tablet! not acceptable...and my sgs i9000 is also not supported anymore by samsung...

I have an 8.9 and I feel your pain as well. I want Android to work out but it seems the manufacturers are only interested in the initial sale of the item, after that support dwindles quickly. Compare this to Apple who understands that your building a relationship with your customer. I think it sucks that the Kindle Fire has better support then the Galaxy Tab and most honeycomb devices.
App support with Android is poor at best. When compatibility has to be reviewed for each device by the developer (Hello hulu, netflix, & Gameloft!), you have a poor ecosystem. A number of really good games avail on the iPad do not even have Android the radar.
Still, I hang in there, because I don't like Apples restrictive system. Hoping manufacturers & developers will get on board and fix things. If it doesn't change in the next year though, I'm out and going back to iPad, because at the end of the day I want to use my device not hack it.

I can understand the frustration fully. I have an LG Optimus S, and my wife just upgraded off her Samsung Moment. Sometimes, vendor support for the latest version of android is minimal at best. In contrast, Apple EOLs their hardware, and there is no coming back from that. Every hardware update/major version release sees the previous oldest supported platform unsupported. Additionally, even the previous version sees missing features on the software side (ref iphone 4 + siri) that hafe been proven to run on the older platform.
Atleast with android, you can rely on strong dev communities to build new versions of the software in a timely manner. All weekend I ran the ICS alpha/beta and it is very nice!

I like my tab mainly for the size and form, and for 360 dollars it was a deal. It doesn't work any better them my Acer A500, which is more use full in the long run. Anyways my first android was the Samsung Moment which was terrible, htc hero, evo, nexus s, Acer A100, Acer A500, nook color, I pad 2, and now this 8.9. So I have had a lot of experience and I can surely say this is my last android mobile device. I'm tired of being a lab rat for these half baked devices all has had major problems. I don't want to have to rely on developers to fix things. I have only kept the I pad for a month and couldn't live without Google's services, but now I'm over it. Until they get more control over these manufactures to provide updates in a timely manor and manufactures fix their hardware I don't see a reason to stay. I guess the flexibility of android comes at a price and we all get burned.
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This is a really interesting thread, because it portrays what I think would be a very different opinion versus if you asked the same question other in the dev board. And the different demographics involves paralleled a conversation I had the other day at work.
I am a complete Android head - half the appeal for me is tinkering with the thing. I see that as normal - no, actually I see that as a big part of the experience. I hate the iPad because it is so rigidly locked down in every respect. I had an iPad, but found it stifling and could get on with it even jailbroken.
I was shocked, however, when a girl at work gave a ten minute scathing diatribe on Android based on her experience with a low end Samsung phone. "But that was a low end Android phone!" I said. "It was bound to be slow and clunky. That's not a fair assessment of Android to base it on that experience. Plus, even if it was underpowered hardware, you probably could still have found a ROM for it out there that'd solve most of the problems you were having".
She didn't care. She just wanted the thing to work out of the box and her eyes glazed over when I started talking about ROMs.
It was a new perspective for me and I find myself recommending devices differently now. Time was I would have recommended the GT 8.9 unequivocally. The form factor plus hardware (in my opinion) beats anything else currently on the market. And I'd put my ICS equipped 8.9 up against any iPad in terms of user experience and I'd say it comes out on top. However, if you want a tablet that you get out of the box and use, it's not this one. The stock Samsung Android install is an abortion and unless you are happy to tweak (or have a family member who'll do it for you) it's not the device for you.
And therein lies the problem with 99% of Android devices on the market. Until vendors get over this need to differentiate their devices by adding layer after layer of bloat on top of Android, Android will continue to play second fiddle to iOS in terms of the user experience - even if that iOS user experience is rigidly controlled and prevents you from doing basic things like moving an icon a couple of spaces away from another.

I never had a problem with android until I lost my nexus one. Then I entered the world of other manufacturers devices. So far they all suck. HTC has the ****ty looking sense the I dare to define a great punch in the face to good design, Samsung is notoriously known for making good hardware but not giving a crap about the software, I'm not sure why this is, why they think that the software is not as important to the device. My next try will be with Asus, they seem to update their software on top of having decent hardware. This in regard of tablets for phones, i'll switch to a nexus device as soon as my HTC dies or the galaxy nexus comes to t-mobile.
I went through apple and i dont like the company. First of all i'm forced most of the time at work to use imacs to work on visual effects, i dont know where studio owners get their facts, but those machine sucks for production! They are designed for customers not professionals, they have the guts of a laptop and none of the benefits. Then i have a macbook that gave me nothing but hardware problems for 3 years, an iphone 4 that i can't use because its super locked to at&t and i used to have an ipod touch which died unexpectedly during a vacation. The only apple stuff i'm kinda happy about are my two ipods that still survive (and yet do not allow, me to officially get my music out of them).
So as you can see I'm fed up with apple and their shady hardware, they killed all the great professional stuff they had (shake, final cut pro, quicktime pro, apple servers and raids) and i don't think osx has any advantage over windows anymore either.
There are two faces to every coin, but I'm sure one day I will find a good tablet/phone/computer maker for my needs, it's just a trial and error job.
Good luck with Apple I hope you'll be more lucky than me!

Loccy said:
It was a new perspective for me and I find myself recommending devices differently now.
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nice post mate. i totally agree with you and half the fun for me with android is the messing about and tweaking stuff. the only android phones i would recomend without thinking twice are the nexus series (because they are bloat free) and the s2 because its just and awesome device. but yeah if you have something more "consumerish" and don't feel like messing around with it you aren't gonna have the nices experience.
for the technologically unprepaired person an iProduct is probably better because it just works as they think it should (even though its awefully restrained and restricted)
DBBGBA said:
I never had a problem with android until I lost my nexus one.
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i'm still running my n1 and loving it
as for apple machines for production...i have a lot to do in the video sector and we use macpros with final cut (7 not x )
i must say they are awesome machines but also have a few downsides.
they are friggin expensive (as everything apple)
they are not the error free devices everyone thinks they are. only last month we had 2 graphics cards dying 1 hdd giving up and 2 OS corruptions. so the myth about apple products not breaking down is...a myth!
so yeah if you are prepared to tinker i would go with android all the way. if you are my mum or someone else that just wants to USE something and not get involved with it...then i guess the i is the way to go.

I showed my stock skyrocket when I first bought it, she didn't even wanted to look.
Then I installed my preferred launcher (Launcher 7) and custom roms, lots of small tricks and clean ups (hid all the extra apps like Ti Backup, Root Explorer, etc.) and let the Windows Phone 7 interface dominate with big Twitter and Facebook buttons, Big camera and email button, weather. She was sold. She played with it while I was watching tv for a good while.
If the iPhone 5 will feature yet another 3.5" display, I'll take your phone no problem, she said.
I think the Android Interface, esp. the launcher, the widget handling, etc. leaves a lot to be desired. WP7 less is more approach works for some.

RipplingHurst said:
WP7 less is more approach works for some.
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I agree in fact I'm very curious to try one WP7 device for a while and maybe start suggesting that instead of iphones.

SGSChris said:
Samsung will likely release a next gen tab in Barcelona. Will this mean minimal support for our tab?
I was a big defender of android for 2 years. But i have had it. Will switch over to iphone 5 and ipad 3. Our tab rom from Samsung is suboptimal to say the least. Still no ICS. App quality still sucks for business, science, musicians etc. Improvement too slow. I thought differently 6 months ago but now it seems we can not catch up to Apple ecosystem.
I am just trying to make a rational decision, no ideological arguments.
I know I know...go ahead, hit me...
cheers
chris
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If you need an application that you cannot live without then go with ipad. You might be prepared that new ipad3 will blow ipad2 away but this is a bout making more and more money.
I was with Apple before Android. Now I am proud not following the iCrowd.
After stripping all bloatware and services my Sammy serves me well.
In regards to ICS I tried it on Xoom and didn't see anything vitally important.
It seems that in one year every piece of hardware becomes largely irrelevant and in two obsolete.

its still fck alpha so whats the point here??
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qhinton said:
I like my tab mainly for the size and form, and for 360 dollars it was a deal. It doesn't work any better them my Acer A500, which is more use full in the long run. Anyways my first android was the Samsung Moment which was terrible, htc hero, evo, nexus s, Acer A100, Acer A500, nook color, I pad 2, and now this 8.9. So I have had a lot of experience and I can surely say this is my last android mobile device. I'm tired of being a lab rat for these half baked devices all has had major problems. I don't want to have to rely on developers to fix things. I have only kept the I pad for a month and couldn't live without Google's services, but now I'm over it. Until they get more control over these manufactures to provide updates in a timely manor and manufactures fix their hardware I don't see a reason to stay. I guess the flexibility of android comes at a price and we all get burned.
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this is soooo true... despite to the fact how much i hate apple as company...
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Adapt0r said:
If you need an application that you cannot live without then go with ipad. You might be prepared that new ipad3 will blow ipad2 away but this is a bout making more and more money.
I was with Apple before Android. Now I am proud not following the iCrowd.
After stripping all bloatware and services my Sammy serves me well.
In regards to ICS I tried it on Xoom and didn't see anything vitally important.
It seems that in one year every piece of hardware becomes largely irrelevant and in two obsolete.
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If you like to use half finished products just not to follow the iCrowd than i am sorry for u... just that.